2022 Saudi Arabian GP Thread - Buildup, Practice & Qualifying

[tifosi1993]

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[jgonzalesm6]

No updates at this track.

We go in with a sense of humility...........until qualifying and then the race.

[Grinsomx]

No updates at this track.

That does not need to be a bad thing, considering the new limits on development (tunnel,CFD),
I would think it is even better to not bring load after load of small updates and focus on quality updates where they matter.

[KingCharles]

I hope there are no ERS issues for Leclerc this race as this track needs all the straight-line speed possible.

[Tifoso]

Feeling good about our chances. :-)

[Aziz]

This is low DF track?

[Ferrarichamp]

This is low DF track?

DF is 2 on a scale of 5 according to the graphic at the top of the page.

[Liscia]

Inspite of it being a high speed track which are my favorites I remember disliking it a lot last year - with all the empty space and money Saudi Arabia has you'd think they could do so much better than this long constricted guinea pig squirrel cage of a circuit:( We vhave a car this year that looks to be a good all-arounder and probably have the best shot at it compared to the rest though RB top speeds are a little worrisome. If they consume themselves as they did in Bahrain then no worries.

[SS454]

Since it is such a high speed track that should be low downforce, I wonder how Ferrari will perform if they are keeping their relatively high DF wing package. Hard not to think Red Bull are going to be incredibly strong here.

I also wonder if they made any track changes. Last year there was some area's that looked pretty dangerous.

[Tifoso]

Inspite of it being a high speed track which are my favorites I remember disliking it a lot last year - with all the empty space and money Saudi Arabia has you'd think they could do so much better than this long constricted guinea pig squirrel cage of a circuit:( We have a car this year that looks to be a good all-arounder and probably have the best shot at it compared to the rest though RB top speeds are a little worrisome. If they consume themselves as they did in Bahrain then no worries.

:lol Nice! :-D

[stefa]

Don't like this so called track

[Gilles]

Since it is such a high speed track that should be low downforce, I wonder how Ferrari will perform if they are keeping their relatively high DF wing package. Hard not to think Red Bull are going to be incredibly strong here.

I also wonder if they made any track changes. Last year there was some area's that looked pretty dangerous.

They made changes : new track surface and new last corner

https://scuderiafans.com/pirelli-explain-tyre-compound-choice-for-2022-saudi-arabian-gp/

[Gilles]

DF is 2 on a scale of 5 according to the graphic at the top of the page.

2022 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix - Preview
https://press.pirelli.com/2022-saudi-arabia-grand-prix---preview/?_ga=2.98640222.1949887774.1647898511-1705896596.1647898511

[SS454]

They made changes : new track surface and new last corner

https://scuderiafans.com/pirelli-explain-tyre-compound-choice-for-2022-saudi-arabian-gp/

Thanks!

[Redfive]

Expecting RBR/Merc to be good here. Quite frankly I'd take a double Ferrari podium even if we don't get the win. it's a long season, every point counts!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Race trim will be everything since there are three DRS zones. I'd much rather sacrifice some top end and one lap speed in order to nail the longer runs. Sector one and the banked corner at the back end are key in order to make the tyres work for long runs. Having a one-stopper as an option will be crucial.

Of course safety cars likely will play a role but even keeping that in mind, good tyre degradation will make it a lot more flexible when it comes to stretching a set of tyres to the end there.

[Ferrarichamp]

another 1-2 in Saudi and our chances of winning titles this year goes through the roof.
in 2004, we started with a 1-2 in Australia, then second race was 1-4 in Malaysia.

[stefa]

another 1-2 in Saudi and our chances of winning titles this year goes through the roof.
in 2004, we started with a 1-2 in Australia, then second race was 1-4 in Malaysia.


We are all excited and over the moon by last race results, but let's keep both feet on the ground. This is long season, 23 races. It is important to collect as much points as possible per race. I know win takes most, but in the end title is won by that one single point that you have more than competition!

:ferrarifl

[Greig]

We are all excited and over the moon by last race results, but let's keep both feet on the ground. This is long season, 23 races. It is important to collect as much points as possible per race. I know win takes most, but in the end title is won by that one single point that you have more than competition!

:ferrarifl

Let's just 1-2 the whole season to make sure :-D

[stefa]

Let's just 1-2 the whole season to make sure :-D

:-D
Yeap! Let's make it one for the history books never to be challenged again. 23 1-2 for Ferrari!!!

:ferrarifl

[Nick Singer]

We are all excited and over the moon by last race results, but let's keep both feet on the ground. This is long season, 23 races. It is important to collect as much points as possible per race. I know win takes most, but in the end title is won by that one single point that you have more than competition!

:ferrarifl

My thoughts exactly.. #StepByStep!

PS I trust Seb will be avoiding too much promotion of LGB issues - not a popular topic in the Kingdom.. :-)

[paneristi]

Let's just 1-2 the whole season to make sure :-D

I like that!! Make it 1-2-3-4 Ferrari powered cars if possible

[Tifoso]

Let's just 1-2 the whole season to make sure :-D

That’s the spirit! :-D

[wisepie]

Didn't like this track at all last year, it looked pretty dangerous with some corners unsighted, believe there have been some alterations to make it less likely to come across an unseen spin or crash. The team and drivers did a great job in Bahrain, would be good if we can build on that, preferably from the front! RB and Merc will be out to get us big-time, we need to stay grounded despite the Bahrain success. Forza, as ever.

[tpe]

The first target will be to have excellent tyre degradation.
Then, qualify in the 1st row.
Then be carefull on the race. It's extremely easy to get caught off guard and hit the walls!

[nani_s23]

Ferrari put their engine in conservative mode at the #BahrainGp.

The team wants to gradually increase the power to study the reliability.

Source: (@CorSport)

[paolo lalli]

This will be a good test for the sf 75 no updates just opening up the pu a little more.I expect a good result with a fantastic points hall.Max will do his aggressive dodging weaving and redbull will do there undercut,because all they got last week was an upper cut.I expect merc to carry problems and McLaren there is no quick fix in a 7 day turn around not at this level race fans no chance.As totto said his f1 car has to have a chain saw taken to it.Remember the budget cap and the pu freeze until 2026 .In all I believe ferrari are looking really good compared to others including redbull.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari put their engine in conservative mode at the #BahrainGp.

The team wants to gradually increase the power to study the reliability.

Source: (@CorSport)

Good decision. No need to increase power when the overall package is more than good enough to beat everyone.

Ferrari also doesn't see any need of increasing the power in Saudi.

[tifosi1993]

This is low DF track?

For 2017-2021 cars, it was low downforce. But for the 2022 cars, it's high-medium downforce. Ground effect cars have stiff suspensions, riding the bumps will unsettle these cars even more. So high DF is the way to go.

And this track will overheat the tyres more so than Bahrain. So I want Ferrari to try the similar setup as they did in Bahrain, aka high DF setup.

[KingCharles]

Max said they will come back stronger in Saudi. I can see them as favourites, especially with their straight-line speed.

[tpe]

Max was strong last year. Let's see how it will go.
As long as CL is 2nd we are OK.

[faloupas]

Maybe a difficult weekend as Ferrari runs a detuned engine related to reliability issues.Maybe 3-4 will be a good result.
Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights so lets have no big expectations and expect the best for the team.
I still believe we dont have the best car,but a quite good base.If we cant follow Red Bull and Merc development then we will be behind after a few races.

[Gilles]

Maybe a difficult weekend as Ferrari runs a detuned engine related to reliability issues.Maybe 3-4 will be a good result.
Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights so lets have no big expectations and expect the best for the team.
I still believe we dont have the best car,but a quite good base.If we cant follow Red Bull and Merc development then we will be behind after a few races.

"detuned engine related to reliability issues" --> What?
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34523-Ferrari-F1-75-Discussion-Thread?p=1055723#post1055723

[Aziz]

Maybe a difficult weekend as Ferrari runs a detuned engine related to reliability issues.Maybe 3-4 will be a good result.
Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights so lets have no big expectations and expect the best for the team.
I still believe we dont have the best car,but a quite good base.If we cant follow Red Bull and Merc development then we will be behind after a few races.

Ferrari 1-2, RB was as you said superfast on straights because they had way less wing then we did, and yes we have the best car at the moment.

[Cavallino]

well if that Red Bull has overheating issues, get pole and force them to run in dirty air, and they'll continue to overheat their breaks and wear out their tyres.

unless they convince Adrian Newey to compromise and open up the aero to improve the cooling, which would also cost them lap time.

( or they will have to run more fuel which will also cost them 1-2 tenths in race pace )

Ferrari 1-2 incoming.

[Kyss4k]

Well... just for fun I made myself a "dream" results table of each race before the season started and Bahrain went exactly as I predicted for our guys :-D For Saudi I went for 2nd and 3rd, so let's see.

[Tony]

Let's just 1-2 the whole season to make sure :-D


Man that would be a dream come true! After so many years, we tifosi really deserve a dream season!

[Tony]

Maybe a difficult weekend as Ferrari runs a detuned engine related to reliability issues.Maybe 3-4 will be a good result.
Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights so lets have no big expectations and expect the best for the team.
I still believe we dont have the best car,but a quite good base.If we cant follow Red Bull and Merc development then we will be behind after a few races.

I'm not sure what you are implying precisely, but the engine will be at least at the same level as the last race. They are taking a pragmatic approach to increasing the power which I am sure other manufacturers are doing the same.

[paneristi]

https://youtu.be/RobMrQXiuQ4


well if that Red Bull has overheating issues, get pole and force them to run in dirty air, and they'll continue to overheat their breaks and wear out their tyres.

unless they convince Adrian Newey to compromise and open up the aero to improve the cooling, which would also cost them lap time.

( or they will have to run more fuel which will also cost them 1-2 tenths in race pace )

Ferrari 1-2 incoming.

[Tifoso]

Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights ….
Until they run out of gas, then they slow down a tad. :lou

[Tony]

Until they run out of gas, then they slow down a tad. :lou

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

:clap

[tifosi1993]

Charles was having a great race last year, he was P4 and would've finished P3. But he pitter under the SC and the later the red flag screwed him over. From P4 to P7 with no fault of his own.

[tifosi1993]

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[faloupas]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

[Greig]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

We can expect you to pour negativity onto the team though that's for sure.

Why would we have a problem with lot's of straights?

[jgonzalesm6]

Marko speaks......take it for what it's worth.

Marko says "fuel supply system" was behind the double DNF in the BahrainGP. He told F1-Insider: "To put it simply. A vacuum in the fuel supply system caused the engine to run out of fuel. I think we can solve the problem already in Saudi Arabia this weekend."

Marko denied speculation about the cars not having enough fuel to get to the end of the race. "Without giving exact figures: There was still enough petrol in the tank of both cars," he said.

[scudieros]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

Way to bring the mood down, can you see any positives in the Ferrari start? Seems to me like every post from you is a bit negative.

I can see plenty of positives, and if we don't enjoy this feeling when Ferrari wins, when are we going to enjoy it?
Yes redbull might have a faster car on the straights, but it is also true that we went with higher downforce for the twisty bits. I feel like our car will suit more tracks than Red Bull. But that's just my opinion, which is a bit more optimistic.

[SS454]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

A Ferrari 1-2 to open the season. We haven't seen Ferrari winning for over two and a half years. Championship or not, all signs point towards a much more successful year than 2020 or 2021. That's exciting.

[faloupas]

We can expect you to pour negativity onto the team though that's for sure.

Why would we have a problem with lot's of straights?
"Race Gone.." That was your comment when SC deployed..this is you faith and positivity...so no more comments from me.
When we are 1-2 "yeah!great! etc etc and then "race gone"...
I said lets see how the car behaves on this kind of track.
And if you remember Red Bull was way faster on straights.I dont care for downforce or setup.They were faster.

[faloupas]

A Ferrari 1-2 to open the season. We haven't seen Ferrari winning for over two and a half years. Championship or not, all signs point towards a much more successful year than 2020 or 2021. That's exciting.

Lets hope that it will be indeed a more successful year.

[Gilles]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

You're right. It is impossible to stop overly optimistic people as was the case with overly pessimistic people a few days ago yet. Some may even have frequented both categories. Not you, it's true.
But i would say that we don't know if we are not at the begining of a new succes area, everything still possible

[Ferrarichamp]

After what happened to Max, Perez and Gasly, Honda powered drivers should be worried right now.

[faloupas]

You're right. It is impossible to stop overly optimistic people as was the case with overly pessimistic people a few days ago. Some may even have frequented both categories. Not you, it's true.
I accept for my self that i am pessimistic!Some said i m a troll.
Lets see what all these "tifosi" will say on difficult days.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lets see what all these "tifosi" will say on difficult days.

And yet, some of us have been here for awhile....hoping. Some of us have been here since the Schumacher era. We've been thru difficult days, years and decades.....yet we are still here.

[faloupas]

And yet, some of us have been here for awhile....hoping. Some of us have been here since the Schumacher era. We've been thru difficult days, years and decades.....yet we are still here.
Of course.I read this forum since 2012.The year Fernando almost make it with a car that was a piece of s...
My worst moment as a fan was the broken engine on Michaels back in Suzuka 2006...so i ve been thru difficult days too.
Ferrari is a legend...so we hope that one day will be again at the top.

[nani_s23]

And yet, some of us have been here for awhile....hoping. Some of us have been here since the Schumacher era. We've been thru difficult days, years and decades.....yet we are still here.

Well said ..!! :clap

[nani_s23]

I accept for my self that i am pessimistic!Some said i m a troll.
Lets see what all these "tifosi" will say on difficult days.

We cheer, we show our agony, banter etc… we still love ‘Ferrari’. It’s just not a name, it’s “history”.

[Gilles]

I accept for my self that i am pessimistic!Some said i m a troll.
Lets see what all these "tifosi" will say on difficult days.

Why would the tough days return, they seem distant to me, for a while, We won't be seeing a 2020 anytime soon.
That you were called a troll is not surprising given your words, you cannot reasonably be surprised. Hard to believe you're clumsy enough not to do it on purpose.
Speaking of which, have you reconsidered your judgment on why the engine is supposed to be detuned, because again, your words didn't sound innocent?

[faloupas]

An engine that is not in its full potential its detuned my friend.Lets not play with the words.
Maybe the others are in the same path and open it race by race...i dont know.
Ferrari put their engine in conservative mode at the #BahrainGp.

The team wants to gradually increase the power to study the reliability.

Source: (@CorSport)

[jgonzalesm6]

An engine that is not in its full potential its detuned my friend.Lets not play with the words.
Maybe the others are in the same path and open it race by race...i dont know.

Nobody knows. I would suggest during this lull period to sit back and just relax. Wait till qualifying and then wait till race day.

[Gilles]

An engine that is not in its full potential its detuned my friend.Lets not play with the words.
Maybe the others are in the same path and open it race by race...i dont know.
Ferrari put their engine in conservative mode at the #BahrainGp.

The team wants to gradually increase the power to study the reliability.

Source: (@CorSport)

Once again, you seem to have badly read my post (in link)
Of course, others do the same, everyone learned from Mercedes last year. Whoever did not homologate an ice capable of more power after a final development would lose big in this new era
Again : http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34523-Ferrari-F1-75-Discussion-Thread?p=1055723#post1055723

[faloupas]

Nobody knows. I would suggest during this lull period to sit back and just relax. Wait till qualifying and then wait till race day.
+1...if pole comes again and 1-2 ...i would take it!

[Gilles]

Nobody knows. I would suggest during this lull period to sit back and just relax. Wait till qualifying and then wait till race day.

I wouldn't say we don't know because there have been too many indications going in that direction to not to see them.
Everyone slowly prepares the ground to say to the fia that he realizes that he must reinforce this or that part of the ice to be able to use the most efficient mappings, arguing that it is for reliability and in fact continuing developing and gaining power. The better is to say they discover problems during ice inspection as it permits to have no need of a dnf to have access to a "reliability" evolution. Not so fair, but that's the way used by Mercedes in 2021 (the masters of cheating). Even Renault have already been saying they have concerns about reliability. It makes some years Binotto have learned that he can't win without playing their game, he is clever, so he plays their game with discretion and subtility

However, I don't expect poles and 1-2 in all races, that would even be boring.
Charles had said he hoped to win 5 races because he thought that could be enough to be champion. Today i think it depends if Mercedes could be back, if not, 5 could be not enough

[Gilles]

3 DRS zones annuounced :
https://scuderiafans.com/fia-confirms-drs-zones-at-jeddah-for-f1s-return-with-new-cars-2022-saudi-arabian-gp/

[Tony]

An engine that is not in its full potential its detuned my friend.Lets not play with the words.
Maybe the others are in the same path and open it race by race...i dont know.
Ferrari put their engine in conservative mode at the #BahrainGp.

The team wants to gradually increase the power to study the reliability.

Source: (@CorSport)

I don't think we're playing with words, a detuned engine raced last weekend and still produced the fastest car. Every engine manufacturer detunes their engine so that it can last the full cycle. This doesn't mean I believe Ferrari will win every race, just that it is not a bad sign in and of itself :)

[paolo lalli]

Great let redbull open up there pu it will probably go boom.Ferrari will play cat and mouse its to early to lead all the time they need to test red bull push them back off then break them 100% there is a strategy in place.Red bull tried this last week with ferrari and failed ,now they need to push for a victory at what risk one must ask,another Dnf for Max and that will be curtains for this years title challenge the swearing from his potty mouth will be off the charts,I can't wait expect the unexpected.

[Greig]

"Race Gone.." That was your comment when SC deployed..this is you faith and positivity...so no more comments from me.
.

Due to the SC, not due to us being slow etc as you tried to claim throughout qualifying....

If we lost the race due to SC would not change the fact we are not slow as you were keen to suggest.

[faloupas]

Due to the SC, not due to us being slow etc as you tried to claim throughout qualifying....

If we lost the race due to SC would not change the fact we are not slow as you were keen to suggest.
You can not lose a race because of SC...You can lose it of a bad desicion...Lewis lost the last championship because he didnt pit...so teams are made bad desicions.And being fast doesnt mean that you cant take a bad desicion.Ferrari made a lot of bad desicions all these years.
My comment doesnt have to do with the matter of speed...it was a comment about that you said about negativity.

[ntukza]

I see that many of us are overoptimistic.I would say that we should wait and see.It was the same feeling in 2017 and the 2018 and we know how it ended.We are not the 2004 era team .The team tried a lot in the past... several times...2010,2012,2017,2018...always we were close but not enough.So yes...lets be optimistic but not crazy,expecting 1-2 everywhere.
This track has a lot of straights,lets see how our car behaves on this kind of track.

This time I agree with you to an extent. Yes, we are elated and with good reason. It's been far too long. But yes, it's only been one race and it's still early to draw conclusions. We certainly look good though, and that alone is enough cause for excitement given how somber the last two years were.

[Greig]

You can not lose a race because of SC...You can lose it of a bad desicion...Lewis lost the last championship because he didnt pit...so teams are made bad desicions.And being fast doesnt mean that you cant take a bad desicion.Ferrari made a lot of bad desicions all these years.
My comment doesnt have to do with the matter of speed...it was a comment about that you said about negativity.

Yes you can lose a race because of the SC, is this your 1st year watching F1?

[jgonzalesm6]

Hulk will drive for Vettel at the SaudiArabianGP.

[Brembo]

You can not lose a race because of SC...You can lose it of a bad desicion...Lewis lost the last championship because he didnt pit...so teams are made bad desicions.And being fast doesnt mean that you cant take a bad desicion.Ferrari made a lot of bad desicions all these years.
My comment doesnt have to do with the matter of speed...it was a comment about that you said about negativity.

Luis lost the last WDC because 8 would have really hurt this years F-1 attendance, viewership and sponsors. Masi did what he was told to do. $$ talks!! And rightfully so. Those driver salaries are outrageous! :rotfl Imagine R Bull starting off with 2 DNFs! :rotfl

[Ferrarichamp]

Luis lost the last WDC because 8 would have really hurt this years F-1 attendance, viewership and sponsors. Masi did what he was told to do. $$ talks!! And rightfully so. Those driver salaries are outrageous! :rotfl Imagine R Bull starting off with 2 DNFs! :rotfl

and who told Latifi to crash with a handful of laps to go, and who told Mercedes not to pit, I guess that was Masi too :rotfl

[faloupas]

and who told Latifi to crash with a handful of laps to go, and who told Mercedes not to pit, I guess that was Masi too :rotfl

Latifi crashed for the good of the sport... :clap

[Brembo]

and who told Latifi to crash with a handful of laps to go, and who told Mercedes not to pit, I guess that was Masi too :rotfl

Briatori was at the race and was seen talking to Latifi. Max told Lewis not to pit! Masi went to the toilet when someone else made the calls at the last lap!

[aroutis]

Max said they will come back stronger in Saudi. I can see them as favourites, especially with their straight-line speed.

I am sure that the team will compensate in this race regarding top speed.
We have the best package.

[aroutis]

Maybe a difficult weekend as Ferrari runs a detuned engine related to reliability issues.Maybe 3-4 will be a good result.
Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights so lets have no big expectations and expect the best for the team.
I still believe we dont have the best car,but a quite good base.If we cant follow Red Bull and Merc development then we will be behind after a few races.

We have ZERO reliability issues.

[aroutis]

I accept for my self that i am pessimistic!Some said i m a troll.
Lets see what all these "tifosi" will say on difficult days.

OK enough.
This is a Ferrari forum.
You want to address the people of this forum, you dont do that by putting quotes to words such as Tifosi, or Tifoso.

That is disrespectful.


Of course.I read this forum since 2012.The year Fernando almost make it with a car that was a piece of s...
My worst moment as a fan was the broken engine on Michaels back in Suzuka 2006...so i ve been thru difficult days too.
Ferrari is a legend...so we hope that one day will be again at the top.
I am a Tifoso since I was like 8 years old, watching (I believe it was) the Canadian GP and the cars were running V12s back in those days. At least I am pretty sure, it was like 43 years ago, and I instantly fell in love with Ferrari.
I've seen Ferrari in their best and their worst and by worst day to this day was when , coming home, was when I learned that Gilles Villeneuve was dead.

And just to make it clear, there are people in this forum that are probably older than me and 've been watching Ferrari for more years than me, and (most importantly) have been blessed to be at a track, alas I 've not made it YET there. But I will.

[Gilles]

OK enough.
This is a Ferrari forum.
You want to address the people of this forum, you dont do that by putting quotes to words such as Tifosi, or Tifoso.

That is disrespectful.


I am a Tifoso since I was like 8 years old, watching (I believe it was) the Canadian GP and the cars were running V12s back in those days. At least I am pretty sure, it was like 43 years ago, and I instantly fell in love with Ferrari.
I've seen Ferrari in their best and their worst and by worst day to this day was when , coming home, was when I learned that Gilles Villeneuve was dead.

And just to make it clear, there are people in this forum that are probably older than me and 've been watching Ferrari for more years than me, and (most importantly) have been blessed to be at a track, alas I 've not made it YET there. But I will.

Respect mate
The worst days are part of our attachment to the team, as true supporters. This story is also made up of tragedies and that is what it gives its strength. Leave the cult of "winner" to entertainment consumers, who are forced to change idols as they change brands of toothpaste
PS : last 70's Ferrari engines were flat12

[PURE PASSION]

OK enough.
This is a Ferrari forum.
You want to address the people of this forum, you dont do that by putting quotes to words such as Tifosi, or Tifoso.

That is disrespectful.


I am a Tifoso since I was like 8 years old, watching (I believe it was) the Canadian GP and the cars were running V12s back in those days. At least I am pretty sure, it was like 43 years ago, and I instantly fell in love with Ferrari.
I've seen Ferrari in their best and their worst and by worst day to this day was when , coming home, was when I learned that Gilles Villeneuve was dead.

And just to make it clear, there are people in this forum that are probably older than me and 've been watching Ferrari for more years than me, and (most importantly) have been blessed to be at a track, alas I 've not made it YET there. But I will.

Με too mate!!If you're I Athens, maybe we could arrange something with some friends of mine.

[aroutis]

Με too mate!!If you're I Athens, maybe we could arrange something with some friends of mine.

I will be happy to do so, when that stupid covid subsides a bit. I suffer from Diabetes so as you can imagine I can't be too careful.


Respect mate
The worst days are part of our attachment to the team, as true supporters. This story is also made up of tragedies and that is what it gives its strength. Leave the cult of "winner" to entertainment consumers, who are forced to change idols as they change brands of toothpaste
PS : last 70's Ferrari engines were flat12
Thanks mate, and I could not agree more.

[Slaqq]

Also Red Bulls are superfast on straights

RB only looked fast on straights as Leclerc was having issues with ERS

[scudieros]

Giovinazzi on the simulator for Abu Dhabi lap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHeLV7lGDE

[Tony]

OK enough.
This is a Ferrari forum.
You want to address the people of this forum, you dont do that by putting quotes to words such as Tifosi, or Tifoso.

That is disrespectful.


I am a Tifoso since I was like 8 years old, watching (I believe it was) the Canadian GP and the cars were running V12s back in those days. At least I am pretty sure, it was like 43 years ago, and I instantly fell in love with Ferrari.
I've seen Ferrari in their best and their worst and by worst day to this day was when , coming home, was when I learned that Gilles Villeneuve was dead.

And just to make it clear, there are people in this forum that are probably older than me and 've been watching Ferrari for more years than me, and (most importantly) have been blessed to be at a track, alas I 've not made it YET there. But I will.

Oh you definitely have to go! I've been to over 20 GPs in my life, always in Montreal of course and it's really quite the spectacle! I took my wife when we first me to a race, she hated motor racing, ever since then, she loves it! It's really such a blast, just try to go when Ferrari are competitive lol, it takes it to a whole other level!

[faloupas]

RB only looked fast on straights as Leclerc was having issues with ERS

RB was fast on straights due to low downforce setup.Who said that Leclerc having ERS issues?Source?

[stefa]

Oh you definitely have to go! I've been to over 20 GPs in my life, always in Montreal of course and it's really quite the spectacle! I took my wife when we first me to a race, she hated motor racing, ever since then, she loves it! It's really such a blast, just try to go when Ferrari are competitive lol, it takes it to a whole other level!

Completely agree with you! Who ever can, and is into Formula 1, have to go to a race. As I am from Belgrade, Serbia, closest track to me is Hungaroring in Budapest. I've been going there almost every year since 1995. Beside that I've been once in Barcelona - 2001, and Abu Dhabi 2014 and 2016.

[faloupas]

OK enough.
This is a Ferrari forum.
You want to address the people of this forum, you dont do that by putting quotes to words such as Tifosi, or Tifoso.

That is disrespectful.


I am a Tifoso since I was like 8 years old, watching (I believe it was) the Canadian GP and the cars were running V12s back in those days. At least I am pretty sure, it was like 43 years ago, and I instantly fell in love with Ferrari.
I've seen Ferrari in their best and their worst and by worst day to this day was when , coming home, was when I learned that Gilles Villeneuve was dead.

And just to make it clear, there are people in this forum that are probably older than me and 've been watching Ferrari for more years than me, and (most importantly) have been blessed to be at a track, alas I 've not made it YET there. But I will.

First of all i m greek.Im happy seeing so many greeks here!
The quotes was something i put just to underline that some people are here just to shout and dont support team at the bad days.
I believe that you and me and most of people here support the team in any occasion.
Mate i was 13 in 1998...and woke up at 5a.m just to see Schumi fighting the Mclarens...amazing years.

[paneristi]

Respect mate
The worst days are part of our attachment to the team, as true supporters. This story is also made up of tragedies and that is what it gives its strength. Leave the cult of "winner" to entertainment consumers, who are forced to change idols as they change brands of toothpaste
PS : last 70's Ferrari engines were flat12
I still have that die-cast of 312t, the first time i fell in love with the scarlet cars. RIP Niki

[Gilles]

RB was fast on straights due to low downforce setup.Who said that Leclerc having ERS issues?Source?

https://f1ingenerale.com/f1-gp-bahra...on-verstappen/

Leclerc himself said he had issue :
"....And it was always also very tricky because I was struggling quite a lot with my energy and had to manage that too. But then after the third lap (after pitstop), I think I was in a better window with it and could push again and manage to have a bit of margin to manage my race"

[Nick Singer]

And yet, some of us have been here for awhile....hoping. Some of us have been here since the Schumacher era. We've been thru difficult days, years and decades.....yet we are still here.

Some of us old farts are heading for our 20th anniversary. I believe Greig is going to arrange a big party to celebrate..


:thumb:-D:-bounce

[PURE PASSION]

I will be happy to do so, when that stupid covid subsides a bit. I suffer from Diabetes so as you can imagine I can't be too careful.
.
Whenever you're ready !!!

[faloupas]

https://f1ingenerale.com/f1-gp-bahra...on-verstappen/

Leclerc himself said he had issue :
"....And it was always also very tricky because I was struggling quite a lot with my energy and had to manage that too. But then after the third lap (after pitstop), I think I was in a better window with it and could push again and manage to have a bit of margin to manage my race"

Thank you .I havent read that.

[Kyss4k]

Completely agree with you! Who ever can, and is into Formula 1, have to go to a race. As I am from Belgrade, Serbia, closest track to me is Hungaroring in Budapest. I've been going there almost every year since 1995. Beside that I've been once in Barcelona - 2001, and Abu Dhabi 2014 and 2016.

By the way, when you guys started the talk about attending GPs... I think it's going to be a wonderful season to be at Monza this year. Anyone going? I am planning to do so and it would be awesome to make a little scuderia.net event :)

[Gilles]

Thank you .I havent read that.

You're welcome!
That's from the post race interview on the fia site:
https://www.fia.com/news/f1-2022-bahrain-grand-prix-post-race-press-conference-transcript

[wisepie]

Some of us old farts are heading for our 20th anniversary. I believe Greig is going to arrange a big party to celebrate..


:thumb:-D:-bounce

Well I can beat that, not on TSN, but been a tifoso since 1967 and through all the highs and lows, TSN just helps this old f**t to let off steam with fellow tifosi, so thanks for that!;-)

[Greig]

Some of us old farts are heading for our 20th anniversary. I believe Greig is going to arrange a big party to celebrate..


:thumb:-D:-bounce

Probably about 22 years now :-E

[Gilles]

Well I can beat that, not on TSN, but been a tifoso since 1967 and through all the highs and lows, TSN just helps this old f**t to let off steam with fellow tifosi, so thanks for that!;-)


Probably about 22 years now :-E

Not too bothered by the little new talkative members?

[scudieros]

I fell in love with Ferrari when I moved to Italy as a 10 yr old watching Prost and Mansell in 1990, nothing has changed, I am still in love.

Forza Ferrari Sempre

[Gilles]

For myself it was the F1-86 with M. Alboreto, i was eleven
The car was a truck..., so it learnt me patience :-)

[faloupas]

For myself it was the F1-86 with M. Alboreto, i was eleven
The car was a truck..., so i'm not affraid by tough years :-)
Even in tough years we had some beautiful cars.F60 was a beautiful car...even F14T was beautiful to me ...but this years car is in another league.
To me F300 also will always be an iconic car..that was the car which started the golden Schumacher area.It was not the fastest...but it was beautiful and the base for F399 and F1 2000.
Imagine after years to talk about Sf75 as a car which started another golden age.

[Cavallino]

Probably about 22 years now :-E

been around too, i am not one of the rabid posters, but i focus on quality rather than quanity i hope :)

i think i lurked for a bit before i even joined.

[paolo lalli]

With Italy crashing out of the world cup,it will have to be up to ferrari to deliver some sunshine,to a nation who are wounded by there nation failing once again for world cup qualification.

[stefa]

By the way, when you guys started the talk about attending GPs... I think it's going to be a wonderful season to be at Monza this year. Anyone going? I am planning to do so and it would be awesome to make a little scuderia.net event :)

Monza with competitive Ferrari that would be dream!!! For years I am planning to go there, as it is always at the begging of September when is also my birthday.
That would be great!

[stefa]

For myself it was the F1-86 with M. Alboreto, i was eleven
The car was a truck..., so it learnt me patience :-)

As a 49 this September, I started around that time 85, 86 with Alborete, Johanson...

[Brembo]

Ferrari was and is my favorite team. I made it through this forum as the only Rubens fan ! It was actually funny how the team was second to whatever took place with the trio in charge, Todt, Ross, their boy.

[paolo lalli]

I go way back to when f1 was in Adelaide south Australia we used to drive there from Sydney talk about a rd trip alright with mates,worth every moment and klms,just to see the red cars.

[Nick Singer]

Well I can beat that, not on TSN, but been a tifoso since 1967 and through all the highs and lows, TSN just helps this old f**t to let off steam with fellow tifosi, so thanks for that!;-)

Wow!

My first GP was Brands 1972 - age 13 - decided to follow Jackie Stewart. Stuck with Tyrrell. When Jody left to go to Wolf in '77(?), I 'went with him' and then to Ferrari in '79(?). Haven't looked back!

Joined TSN in 2003 I guess..

[Nick Singer]

With Italy crashing out of the world cup,it will have to be up to ferrari to deliver some sunshine,to a nation who are wounded by there nation failing once again for world cup qualification.

I feel the same - speaking as a supporter of Norwich City FC..

[Gilles]

We'll all scare the young on this forum, don't you think?

[Rosso Corsa]

I started following Ferrari in the mid 80s. My first memory of F1 was sat between my dads knees, and he was turning my head like a steering wheel when the cars on TV would turn. It was brilliant. I remember asking him which car was the fastest, and he replied "the red ones". And that confused me, because there were cars ahead of the red ones. But my dad was always right, and so from that moment, I've supported the red ones. And for sporadic periods of my time following them, they have indeed been the fastest. Maybe he was on to something.

[Super M]

With Italy crashing out of the world cup,it will have to be up to ferrari to deliver some sunshine,to a nation who are wounded by there nation failing once again for world cup qualification.


I feel your pain. When you include mediocre players in your side , what else do you expect ? but thats for another debate :-s ( i'm livered beyond words really )

All fingers crossed for at least a very competitive car and that we can challenge for the top spot. At least i'll get joy out of watching our team

[nani_s23]

Tech upgrades for Saudi-Arabia - mainly for better cooling & less downforce:

Mercedes: Rear wing (flaps), Front wing (flaps), bigger rear cooling louvre

Red Bull: Brake cooling (front), Rear wing (profile & endplate), Beam wing

Ferrai: Rear wing (profile)

[Tony]

For myself it was the F1-86 with M. Alboreto, i was eleven
The car was a truck..., so it learnt me patience :-)

I was born into this team, used to go watch F1 races in Italian bars with my Dad on Sunday mornings before Church lol! Back then, the only way to watch the races here was in Italian bars as they had satellite dishes (unless you could afford your own satellite dish, which cost a fortune in the early 80's). Alboreto was my favorite driver growing up, may he rest in peace!

[RACERX11]

Any links available for streaming ???

[tifosi1993]

Any links available for streaming ???

https://strims.gg/angelthump/mda2mjzy9y3lw (https://strims.gg/angelthump/mda2mjzy9y3lw)

[PURE PASSION]

Some changes in the livery of the numbers on the cars !!!
80048005

[FerrariF60]

Some changes in the livery of the numbers on the cars !!!
80048005

yeah, much better.....as much as i like black on red....it is really hard to see the #'s.....but now with the yellow outline is much more better and visible

[gump1480]

Are we planning to bunk today's FP1 !!

[Aziz]

We are slow

[Alonsomaniac]

We are slow

No, just waking up.....

[RicRac]

That Merc looks like it's a handful to drive... porposing the most out of all the cars. Also think Ferrari have the engines turned down this FP

[Kyss4k]

Oh jesus! Sainz forgot a trampoline in the cockpit or what? :-E

[gump1480]

Well...well...so we are also porpoising like hell

[458 Italia]

Sainz's car doesn't look great to drive ATM.

[RicRac]

looks like we going to need to sacrifice some downforce to get rid of our bouncing

[Aziz]

We don't look good :-(

[458 Italia]

Charles' car looks much smoother.

[FerrariF60]

We don't look good :-(

why is that??? just because we don't top the FP1 time sheets.....it's only free practice mate, we'll bounce back come quali

[RicRac]

looking at Bot, we def have the engine turned down

[458 Italia]

That lap was on softs though...

[458 Italia]

Why didn't Kevin go out at all?

[gump1480]

We don't look good :-(

I rather think it's Sainz and his car which is not there. LEC setup looked smooth. But one thing is that we still get these random snaps of over-steer in fast corners...need to improve on that.

[gump1480]

Why didn't Kevin go out at all?
Hydraulics issue

[458 Italia]

Hydraulics issue

Ta. :thumb

[paneristi]

That lap was on softs though...
SF #3 is looking good

[scudieros]

Why didn't Kevin go out at all?

Hydraulic issues

[Kyss4k]

Verstappen didn't even manage to improve on softs. This session was useless. FP2 in the night will show way more.

[tifosi1993]

We don't look good :-(

:roll

[FerrariF60]

:roll

That guy must be a troll......lol
I th8k we look pretty good...sainz needs to find a better set up as well

[Aziz]

Just joking mate, beaing sarcastic

[bogs1207]

That guy must be a troll......lol
I th8k we look pretty good...sainz needs to find a better set up as well

yes lecs car looks good.

[elnano14]

There were missiles and bombing near the track at the end of FP1...

[tifosi1993]

BTW, the Houthis have struck an Aramco oil facility. It was only 10km away from the circuit and the huge smoke could be seen during the live feed.

Way to go FIA and Liberty, all those talks about war and Russia while racing in a country which is also at war and causing one of the biggest human catastrophe in recent history.

The drivers and the team members are in grave danger.

[scudieros]

BTW, the Houthis have struck an Aramco oil facility. It was only 10km away from the circuit and the huge smoke could be seen during the live feed.

Way to go FIA and Liberty, all those talks about war and Russia while racing in a country which is also at war and causing one of the biggest human catastrophe in recent history.

The drivers and the team members are in grave danger.


I hope no one is hurt.

Based on that FP1 we should have a good pace for quali on the softs, Max seemed to struggle with those. But he has better pace in long runs on the hard tyre. Anyways not a representative session so let's wait and see on FP2

[tifosi1993]

https://i.redd.it/fptma2dezjp81.jpg

[WS6TransAm01]

I didn't watch this race last year, but man does this track suck. Street circuits in general suck but this one is even more bland than Valencia.


BTW, the Houthis have struck an Aramco oil facility. It was only 10km away from the circuit and the huge smoke could be seen during the live feed.

Way to go FIA and Liberty, all those talks about war and Russia while racing in a country which is also at war and causing one of the biggest human catastrophe in recent history.

The drivers and the team members are in grave danger.

Technically there is no war IN Russia, the reason for canceling the GP was because of the countries actions, not safety within the country. Having said that, F1 will go to China which has literal concentration camps so so assume F1 has any consistency or logic with their SJW BS is asking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.

[PURE PASSION]

I hope no one is hurt.

Based on that FP1 we should have a good pace for quali on the softs, Max seemed to struggle with those. But he has better pace in long runs on the hard tyre. Anyways not a representative session so let's wait and see on FP2

Who did long runs on hards ??? I dont think that was actually long runs, but the 1st feeling of the track where the where puching a bit more lap by lap !!

[SS454]

Some changes in the livery of the numbers on the cars !!!
80048005

Finally!! Much better, especially Leclerc's number.

[scudieros]

Who did long runs on hards ??? I dont think that was actually long runs, but the 1st feeling of the track where the where puching a bit more lap by lap !!

This Italian article says Max did a 'mini long run' https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-jeddah-libere-1-verstappen-davanti-poi-ce-leclerc-/9310306/

but yeah I agree, it was just a first foray. Pace is there, just a matter of fine tuning, let's see where we are after FP2-3

[458 Italia]

BTW, the Houthis have struck an Aramco oil facility. It was only 10km away from the circuit and the huge smoke could be seen during the live feed.

Way to go FIA and Liberty, all those talks about war and Russia while racing in a country which is also at war and causing one of the biggest human catastrophe in recent history.

The drivers and the team members are in grave danger.

I'm surprised the Saudis haven't been allowed to have public executions at the track as between session entertainment.

[Tony]

Is the qualifying still ongoing or are they on a break?

[458 Italia]

Is the qualifying still ongoing or are they on a break?

F2 Qualifying finished.

[faloupas]

Just joking mate, beaing sarcastic

If you joke... being sarcastic or just say your opinion then you re a troll for this forum!!haha...

[Aziz]

If you joke... being sarcastic or just say your opinion then you re a troll for this forum!!haha...

You have a point there :lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia!! Aramco facility has been hit by Houthi Terrorist.

https://twitter.com/Waheed0819/status/1507374645246414850

[jgonzalesm6]

Another angle from the city.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1507370197287673861?cxt=HHwWioC9pajNoOspAAAA

[jgonzalesm6]

More views of the Aramco facility.

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1507369303020118016


https://twitter.com/blog_formula1/status/1507370935631896587?cxt=HHwWloCzsaX4oOspAAAA

[elnano14]

Some pretty decent laps on the mediums

[tifosi1993]

VER: 33.136 - 28.823 - 28.255 - 1:30.214 - 328

LEC: 32.984 - 28.930 - 28.273 - 1:30.216 - 325

SAI: 33.024 - 28.956 - 28.340 - -1:30.320 - 324

[PURE PASSION]

So far so good !!!!

[patrese86]

Shouldn't be taking any risks like that Charles.

[elnano14]

Bruh

[PURE PASSION]

problems for both our cars !!!!

[Alonsomaniac]

Close.....closer........too close. Charlie!!

[tifosi1993]

Both were unlucky. But better in FP2 than in the qualifying or the race.

[Aziz]

problems for both our cars !!!!

Charles hot the wall, what Carlos did?

[Kyss4k]

Losing on race prep is not a good thing. Damn... hopefully we have enough in hand to be able to handle the race without it.

[faloupas]

RB just 0,140 on harder tyre.Not that good at the moment.

[tifosi1993]

Charles hot the wall, what Carlos did?

Carlos also touched the wall, a lot harder than Charles actually.

[patrese86]

RB just 0,140 on harder tyre.Not that good at the moment.
Sainz is only a tenth further back on medium also. Charles had traffic on his lap

[Aziz]

We won't have any long run data

[PURE PASSION]

In FP1 and now i see te best cars (we and RedBulls) struggle a bit with the soft tires. Almost all the others managed to gain a lot of time from mediums to soft (almost 1s) and we and RBRs 1,2 tenths or not at all ??!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

LMAO...not doing long runs in the FP2 isn't the end of the world. They still have the FP3 to go though.

[PURE PASSION]

Losing on race prep is not a good thing. Damn... hopefully we have enough in hand to be able to handle the race without it.

The thing that making it not that bad , is that all came out too late for their long runs. RedBulls for the last 10 mins so they will do 5-7 laps . Not the end of the world but still ...!!!

[stefa]

Just tuned in. How are the things looking?

[PURE PASSION]

Lec bend/broke the strearing rod
8006

[stefa]

Lec bend/broke the strearing rod
8006

Oh dear!

[gump1480]

Since we are stuck in garrage...does anyone have RB vs Merc racepace data?

[PURE PASSION]

Just tuned in. How are the things looking?

Not bad but not great either. Too close with Max to make any predictions !!

[stefa]

Not bad but not great either. Too close with Max to make any predictions !!

Thank you

[458 Italia]

It's annoying Sky are sounding a lot happier this weekend.

[Aziz]

Oh dear!

It is fixable, right?

[Greig]

RB just 0,140 on harder tyre.Not that good at the moment.

Ah you are going to do this every race?

[gump1480]

It is fixable, right?

What happened?

[nani_s23]

Everyone improved almost 1sec on their soft tyre run.
But Ferrari & RB, haven’t improved that much. Leclerc improved by .2ths (he had traffic), Sainz hit the wall, RB got double yellow flag. So I say more to come, but this damage to both cars doesn’t look ideal for us. Race sim is important against this Fast RB max.

[tifosi1993]

RB just 0,140 on harder tyre.Not that good at the moment.

Go support another team than. Ferrari will never be able to live up to your high expectations, even if they scored an 1-2 a week ago.

[faloupas]

Ah you are going to do this every race?
Yes.Every Race.Ok?Happy now...?Look what the others say..it not only me who see that we are not very good at the moment.
Both cars almost crashed.

[KingCharles]

We need another Max crash - to stop pole / win

[faloupas]

Go support another team than. Ferrari will never be able to live up to your high expectations, even if they scored an 1-2 a week ago.

I ll do whatever i want.Ok?

[tifosi1993]

We don't need anybody else to crash. The F1-75 is good enough for the pole and win.

Touching the wall in the FP2 isn't the end of the world. This is what practice sessions are for, to find the limit.

[tifosi1993]

I ll do whatever i want.Ok?

You do nothing but troll here. Don't you have a life or something? Or are you really that miserable?

[faloupas]

With 7500 posts someone else has no life ...

[Greig]

Any possibility of the race being cancelled if there are further attacks?

[Greig]

With 7500 posts someone else has no life ...

Really? you want to attack someone who has been here contributing to this community?

[faloupas]

Expect 1-2 everywhere and 1s margin from everyone...what Mercedes did in 2014...if you agree with me thats ok...if you dont its your problem.Not mine.

[faloupas]

Really? you want to attack someone who has been here contributing to this community?

You attacked me .So i responded.

[tifosi1993]

With 7500 posts someone else has no life ...

After nearly 10 years in this forum, that number is pretty normal. But you wouldn't know that though, since you won't be here for long.

But then you'd probably sign up with another username and continue to troll here, since you're a miserable.

[458 Italia]

Any possibility of the race being cancelled if there are further attacks?

There will be a further meeting between the race promoters/F1 and the teams later on this evening.

[Greig]

You attacked me .So i responded.

You did not reply to me, try and follow your comments better.

[faloupas]

Using words like miserable etc wont make leave.I ll stay and say my opinion.Say your opinion and dont talk to me.

[Greig]

Using words like miserable etc wont make leave.I ll stay and say my opinion.Say your opinion and dont talk to me.

We shall see :-D

[tifosi1993]

So they've canceled the driver media session. Typical F1, too afraid of honest opinions.

The F1 authorities should worry about the drones and missiles, not what the drivers would say.

[FerrariF60]

Using words like miserable etc wont make leave.I ll stay and say my opinion.Say your opinion and dont talk to me.

this guy;s a definite troll....

[tpe]

Can you please concentrate on the race?

As for the FP.
Concerning facts:
1. brashing and damaging the suspension
2. CS porpoising

Interesting:
One more issue for Honda engine
Merc is less than 0.5sec behind

Positive: FP1/2 with 2 Ferraris in top 5, 3 Ferrari powered cars

[Greig]

So they've canceled the driver media session. Typical F1, too afraid of honest opinions.

The F1 authorities should worry about the drones and missiles, not what the drivers would say.

Agreed, drivers and teams surely are quite concerned.

[tifosi1993]

https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2022/03/1019048757-LAT-20220325-GP2202_175049_J6I1302.jpg

Looks like a warzone.

[tpe]

Apart from the security risk, there is a health issue as well.
The race should be cancelled.

[faloupas]

Cancel the race.It is like Ukraine there.

[faloupas]

Can you please concentrate on the race?

As for the FP.
Concerning facts:
1. brashing and damaging the suspension
2. CS porpoising

Interesting:
One more issue for Honda engine
Merc is less than 0.5sec behind

Positive: FP1/2 with 2 Ferraris in top 5, 3 Ferrari powered cars

Porpoising surprised me.I thought we solved that problem.
Mercedes i think is more than 0.5 behind.But we will see.
Greetings from Greece.

[Tony]

Any possibility of the race being cancelled if there are further attacks?

I think SkyTV said there was going to be meetings after FP2 with the drivers, the teams and the FIA. Curious to see what's going to happen. Having an attack happen 10km away from the track is too close for comfort IMHO.

[Kyss4k]

I don't wanna be party popper, but since Aramco is F1 sponsor and since they've been attacked the day F1 weekend started there, ain't it quite a high risk to have such a gathering in that city under Aramco sponsoring? I really don't wanna see some kind of an explosion going off during a grid walk or something. We should just get out of there... and swiftly.

[Gilles]

Expect 1-2 everywhere and 1s margin from everyone...what Mercedes did in 2014...if you agree with me thats ok...if you dont its your problem.Not mine.

As your said expectations are out of reality, seriously, what are you aiming for here?

[faloupas]

As your said expectations are out of reality, seriously, what are you aiming for here?

Sharing thougths.Watching what others fans say about Ferrari.I didnt offend anybody.
Some people use words like miserable,troll etc for me.It is their problem,not mine.
Today we had a bad session.Two cars almost crashed.Thats my opinion.
And sorry i want 1s margin of everyone.Thats my opinion.

[tifosi1993]

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[jgonzalesm6]

Any possibility of the race being cancelled if there are further attacks?


I think SkyTV said there was going to be meetings after FP2 with the drivers, the teams and the FIA. Curious to see what's going to happen. Having an attack happen 10km away from the track is too close for comfort IMHO.
The race is going forward according MBS(FIA Director). He assures everyone will be safe.

[paolo lalli]

Greedy f1 do you think they really give a toss about the drivers they are driven by $$$and greed.The drivers should boycott the race.The venue has to many human rights issues and should be wiped of the calender.

[Gilles]

Sharing thougths.Watching what others fans say about Ferrari.I didnt offend anybody.
Some people use words like miserable,troll etc for me.It is their problem,not mine.
Today we had a bad session.Two cars almost crashed.Thats my opinion.
And sorry i want 1s margin of everyone.Thats my opinion.

Wanting 1s margin is not an opinion, it's more a wish. Then, why do you want that?

[Kyss4k]

The race is going forward according MBS(FIA Director). He assures everyone will be safe.

Heh, it seems kinda absurd to me, that they are stopping every race with "2 drops" of water on the track for drivers safety, yet bombs dropping few kilometers from the circuit is fiiiine.

[faloupas]

Wanting 1s margin is not an opinion, it's more a wish. Then, why do you want that?

Mercedes made it in 2014.Mclaren almost made it 1998.We made it in 2004...so why not?

[Greig]

Mercedes made it in 2014.Mclaren almost made it 1998.We made it in 2004...so why not?

The many rules to keep the grid close?

[stefa]

Heh, it seems kinda absurd to me, that they are stopping every race with "2 drops" of water on the track for drivers safety, yet bombs dropping few kilometers from the circuit is fiiiine.

Agree! Absurd!

[jgonzalesm6]

Greedy f1 do you think they really give a toss about the drivers they are driven by $$$and greed.The drivers should boycott the race.The venue has to many human rights issues and should be wiped of the calender.


Heh, it seems kinda absurd to me, that they are stopping every race with "2 drops" of water on the track for drivers safety, yet bombs dropping few kilometers from the circuit is fiiiine.


Agree! Absurd!
MBS and Domenicalli held a meeting with all the team principals and were given the option NOT to compete…..all agreed to compete.

[Gilles]

The race is going forward according MBS(FIA Director). He assures everyone will be safe.

Of course money is the purpose of being in such countries, at such times they cannot change their way so easily.
The F1 circus makes its way between its contradictions, which are those of our world
At the same time as we debate this sport, bombs fall here and there, children go hungry, the planet is damaged. We are aware, but still looking for room for our childhood passion. That's sad things couldn't be simple

[jgonzalesm6]

Of course money is the purpose of being in such countries, at such times they cannot change their way so easily.
The F1 circus makes its way between its contradictions, which are those of our world
At the same time as we debate this sport, bombs fall here and there, children go hungry, the planet is damaged. We are aware, but still looking for room for our childhood passion. That's sad things couldn't be simple


read post #222.....this meeting included drivers as well from various teams.

[Gilles]

Mercedes made it in 2014.Mclaren almost made it 1998.We made it in 2004...so why not?

Such dominations kills the sport, why not wanting drivers been fighting each others until the last race instead of no-competition situation?

[faloupas]

The many rules to keep the grid close?

I respect your opinion. I understand that rules trying to keep the grid close,but for me that is more a kind of excuse.
Do you think we made a car way faster than the others and the rules stopped us?
Mercedes made cars all these years which had the potential to minimise the losses of the rules.That happened because they had a clear margin from all the other teams.For example FIA banned party mode on quali but they still thad the ability of poles.They had the ability to stay in front in every compound...even with hards against softs.
Ok i know...FIA helped them a lot...but we all know that they were way the fastest team.
So why not Ferrari?

[From Treviso]

Rec Bull most likely wanted to do a run with very low fuel to simulate the end of a race. Fitted the hard tyres as to disguise their activity.

[faloupas]

Such dominations kills the sport, why not wanting drivers been fighting each others until the last race instead of no-competition situation?
Sorry between sport and Ferrari domination i prefer the second.
Nobody was aware of sport when we dominate in 2000-2004 area.I support Ferrari so i dont care about the sport as much as Ferrari.

[Gilles]

read post #222.....this meeting included drivers as well from various teams.

Unsurprisingly, F1 people like us too aren't ready to see war invited into racing.
On the other hand, the F1 organizers are responsible for this situation, some places aren't right places to compete

[jgonzalesm6]

Unsurprisingly, F1 people like us too aren't ready to see war invited into racing.
On the other hand, the F1 organizers are responsible for this situation

Agreed, this is just my opinion but unless the region gets clear of these terrorist attacks I doubt we see Jesddah on the calender in 2023 and so on.......good riddance too.

[Greig]

I respect your opinion. I understand that rules trying to keep the grid close,but for me that is more a kind of excuse.
Do you think we made a car way faster than the others and the rules stopped us?
Mercedes made cars all these years which had the potential to minimise the losses of the rules.That happened because they had a clear margin from all the other teams.For example FIA banned party mode on quali but they still thad the ability of poles.They had the ability to stay in front in every compound...even with hards against softs.
Ok i know...FIA helped them a lot...but we all know that they were way the fastest team.
So why not Ferrari?

You missed the fact this season has all new rules again designed to close the grid up?

Ferrari won't be 1 second faster than everyone, get over it.

[faloupas]

You missed the fact this season has all new rules again designed to close the grid up?

Ferrari won't be 1 second faster than everyone, get over it.

1998,2009,2014 big changes in regulations.All aiming to make cars slower and improve racing ...blah blah blah.
Grid never really closed up...top teams was always faster than the small teams.This is the kind of this sport...the grid will only close up if all use the same engine,the same gearboxes etc etc.This is not gonna happen.
Except 1998 ,Ferrari made cars way slower than their rivals because made bad choices...so it is a matter of ability and of direction.
I know that Ferrari wont t be 1 second faster,it has not this ability.It is not the team used to be.
I dream a Ferrari 1 second faster...what do you dream? .One good year and then fighting again for second or third position?

[Tifoso Svedese]

You have some selective memory Faloupas.

1998 Schumacher gap to fastest McLaren:

Australia: 0.757
Brazil: 1.158
Argentina: 0.399
San Marino: 0.464
Spain: 1.523
Monaco: 0.904

Goodyear introduces an upgraded tyre:
Canada: 0.284
France: 0.230
Britain: 0.449
Austria: 0.034 (wet)
Germany: 1.621
Hungary: 0.393
Belgium: 1.345
Italy: -0.390
Luxembourg: -0.379
Japan: -0.178

Basically, whenever Goodyear didn't give Ferrari very bad compounds it was pretty close all along that season. Not to mention that Schumacher's settings were geared towards race pace in general. He knew he'd most likely be on the second row anyway. It was a tyre deficit, not necessarily a performance-related one. You see, that the car got hammered in Germany and Belgium but took pole in Italy and dominated Canada in race trim makes little sense without understanding the tyre war situation at the time.

It was a season that got away with the Coulthard mistake and definitely not a year of McLaren domination. If the Spa crash had not happened I'd be leaning towards Michael pulling that title off.

[Greig]

1998,2009,2014 big changes in regulations.All aiming to make cars slower and improve racing ...blah blah blah.
Grid never really closed up...top teams was always faster than the small teams.This is the kind of this sport...the grid will only close up if all use the same engine,the same gearboxes etc etc.This is not gonna happen.
Except 1998 ,Ferrari made cars way slower than their rivals because made bad choices...so it is a matter of ability and of direction.
I know that Ferrari wont t be 1 second faster,it has not this ability.It is not the team used to be.
I dream a Ferrari 1 second faster...what do you dream? .One good year and then fighting again for second or third position?

Ok there really is no point you being here or being a Ferrari fan.

[faloupas]

You have some selective memory Faloupas.

1998 Schumacher gap to fastest McLaren:

Australia: 0.757
Brazil: 1.158
Argentina: 0.399
San Marino: 0.464
Spain: 1.523
Monaco: 0.904

Goodyear introduces an upgraded tyre:
Canada: 0.284
France: 0.230
Britain: 0.449
Austria: 0.034 (wet)
Germany: 1.621
Hungary: 0.393
Belgium: 1.345
Italy: -0.390
Luxembourg: -0.379
Japan: -0.178

Basically, whenever Goodyear didn't give Ferrari very bad compounds it was pretty close all along that season. Not to mention that Schumacher's settings were geared towards race pace in general. He knew he'd most likely be on the second row anyway. It was a tyre deficit, not necessarily a performance-related one. You see, that the car got hammered in Germany and Belgium but took pole in Italy and dominated Canada in race trim makes little sense without understanding the tyre war situation at the time.

It was a season that got away with the Coulthard mistake and definitely not a year of McLaren domination. If the Spa crash had not happened I'd be leaning towards Michael pulling that title off.

Read again...i wrote except 1998.
But accept it or not it was Michaels ability and Ross's intelligence that brought us to the last race challenging the title.Do you remember Hungary?
Overall F300 was a good iconic car to me...it was the base for F399 and F12000 ,but those Mclarens were on a different league when they didnt have reliability issues.

[faloupas]

Ok there really is no point you being here or being a Ferrari fan.

Everyone has the right to be a fan on his way.
You didn t say what is your dream as a Ferrari fan.

[faloupas]

Ok there really is no point you being here or being a Ferrari fan.

And after all this is Saudi Arabian GP thread and not a place to explain our general thoughts about the team .
You criticize someone who just said that we had a bad session because both cars almost crashed.
Express your thoughts about the session and let the others say or believe whatever they want.

[Greig]

And after all this is Saudi Arabian GP thread and not a place to explain our general thoughts about the team .
You criticize someone who just said that we had a bad session because both cars almost crashed.
Express your thoughts about the session and let the others say or believe whatever they want.

You will never be satisfied no matter what, your posts are pointless.

[faloupas]

You will never be satisfied no matter what, your posts are pointless.
You reply on my posts...so its your problem,not mine.

[Greig]

It's after midnight there, drivers have been meeting still and now Horner, Wolf etc gone back into meeting.

[JacKy]

Not just Cancel the race , Cancel the Contract and never comeback.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ok there really is no point you being here or being a Ferrari fan.

Typical Greig. If you ever criticize the team or expect them to do better, you’re not a fan.

Bro, blind allegiance is a sign of a cult. As a fan you should expect nothing less than perfection from the team you support.

[WS6TransAm01]

Not just Cancel the race , Cancel the Contract and never comeback.

Why?

[JacKy]

Why?

Apparently this situation gonna be the case every year. Not worth it.

[faloupas]

Typical Greig. If you ever criticize the team or expect them to do better, you’re not a fan.

Bro, blind allegiance is a sign of a cult. As a fan you should expect nothing less than perfection from the team you support.

Thank you my friend.
I havent post here since 2013-14 .
All these years i was watching this forum.I started post here this year again,and i received many attacks calling me a troll or ask me to leave.
It s a shame...just because i want this team to dominate ...being 1s faster than anybody...or i just think its a bad session as two cars both hit the walls...
Furthermore i didnt offend or swear at anyone...really surprised on the way these fans behave on other fans.

[scudieros]

Won't be surprised if they cancelled this race.

[faloupas]

Latest info from GP
Drivers went to sleep.They both ate pasta and lamb with hummus.Both drank fizzy bubblech.Camels took them to their hotel.
GP will take place.
(Joking of course)��
Cancel the contract of course.Ok i know money,sponsors etc etc but you cannot ignore events like bombing.

[JacKy]

Right now the feeling at the paddock is that race will go on.

Confirmed. Race goes on

@AlbertFabrega

[Cavallino]

back to talking about the race itself...

not too worried about missing out on the long runs...

Leclerc was super quick on mediums, took Max a few laps to match him. last race we were not quicker in practice, so my expectation that Red Bull has to run more conservative in order to finish the race this time will be true it seems.

so we tried both compounds in FP2 so we got SOME data.

the race will obviously be MEDIUM MEDIUM HARD

if anything, we might have an advantage of an extra set of mediums for the race!

[paneristi]

So they've canceled the driver media session. Typical F1, too afraid of honest opinions.

The F1 authorities should worry about the drones and missiles, not what the drivers would say.
Actually, it is quite devastating. I was a few hundred meters away when a terrorist bombing attack happened in my country. My ex-wife was a bombing survival as well in a different occasion. Bloody armless old man, security guard with dangling jaw… So, yes, it is traumatic and any unnecessary activity should be avoided.