2022 Saudi Arabian GP - Race Thread

[tifosi1993]

You can't beat him Mad Max. He's better than you.

[458 Italia]

Cry baby verstapen.

[stefa]

CL BABY!!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

We have a new Hamilton with MV, constantly complaining looking for penalties.

[SilverSpeed]

Max needs some nuts with that salt?

Haha :rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

Round 2 fight.....LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUMBLE.

[458 Italia]

I don't trust Max to not just crash in to Charles.

[Greig]

Max is gonna hit the wall soon

[tifosi1993]

Charles is the real deal. Again schooling Max.

[paneristi]

F’in british reporters of sky. Too much BS and bias.

[458 Italia]

Out of DRS now :clap

[bogs1207]

Max the new cry baby.

[458 Italia]

F’in british reporters of sky. Too much BS and bias.

They are praying Max wins.

[Greig]

This is awesome

[Greig]

They are praying Max wins.

Since when?

[stefa]

DAMN!!!

[458 Italia]

Damn.

[Greig]

Damn

[Kyss4k]

...

[paneristi]

They are praying Max wins.

Yeah they don’t have any fast engine and adopted Merc. Talk too much

[Greig]

Try stay in DRS

[Kyss4k]

The speed is speed after all.

[SilverSpeed]

:-E:-(

Rear tyres gone?

[bogs1207]

Charles tires are gone?

[stefa]

That's it

[458 Italia]

Can't get close even with DRS.

[stefa]

Shame

[Kyss4k]

No way Charles can overtake Max now with that top speed difference. This is sad.

[458 Italia]

Oh well...

[Greig]

We will be mega in Australia and Imola....no panic still well ahead of Max.

[ferrari1.8t]

MV must have broke virtual safety car delta. How did he get so close to CL??

[stefa]

Well we have a great car, we can not win every race. Harvest points

[Greig]

Yellows saved Max there

[bogs1207]

Yellow flag

[jgonzalesm6]

Awesome racing by these 2 guys........WOOOW!!!

[stefa]

MV must have broke virtual safety car delta. How did he get so close to CL??

Good question. He was like more than 2 sec and then nothing

[Tifoso Svedese]

The VSC delta stole our race. Fuming.

[458 Italia]

Fastest lap point.

[SilverSpeed]

This circuit has 2 long straights with 3 DRS zones and high top speed track so coming in 2nd place so close after 1st is highly encouraging!!!!

[Ferrarichamp]

double podium, still a good result.

[tifosi1993]

Great race. P2 and P3. With Charles taking the FL. Well done.

[Greig]

Charles has Max rattled....good to see.

2-3 we can leave here pretty happy.

[stefa]

TO be honest I am ******

[Tifoso Svedese]

We were 2 s ahead then suddenly less than 1 s after the VSC. How the hell can race control stand for that????

[drax]

Sad loosing P1 but what a race

[SilverSpeed]

Upcoming tracks should suit us so and we got FL!

[bogs1207]

Max radio how did he get closed? Thats unfair.
What an ****

[ferrari1.8t]

Max needs to be investigated during the VSC…

Nice double podium for Ferrari! Forza!

[stefa]

Sorry for bad language... Emotions got me. We had this win... Still good harvest of points!

[patrese86]

Unlucky there Charles. Just didn't have the straight line speed for S3 but a great battle out front. Seemed like the VSC hurt us.

[tifosi1993]

VSC really costed us today. The gap was 1.7 seconds before the VSC, after the VSC it was 0.8 seconds.

[Kyss4k]

I am *****. Freaking Verstappen keeps moaning the whole race and then he gains full 1 second during virtual safety car and that's fine. This crying baby needs to be decrowned this season. The hate is on.

[nani_s23]

Great race. P2 and P3. With Charles taking the FL. Well done.

We need more power. That RB-Honda engine is fast. We need couple of HP’s more.

[Tifoso Svedese]

At least this was a low drag track against a dragster with too many DRS zones but man I feel we were hard done by race control not having appropriate deltas.

[KimiBot]

awesome racing, good result, good points

[ferrari4life]

CL definite the cooler racer here. MV is rattled.
I'll take 2-3.. Lets go

[Cavallino]

Good question. He was like more than 2 sec and then nothing

THIS!!!!

Yet Max is on the radio complaining immediately if Charles is a little bit closer on a yellow sector.

[tohellandback]

Wow we are fighting for wins.. What a car we have... Kudos to the team....

[KimiBot]

This circuit has 2 long straights with 3 DRS zones and high top speed track so coming in 2nd place so close after 1st is highly encouraging!!!!

:thumb

[stefa]

CL will have that extra point for FL

[nani_s23]

Even with low DF set up RB won. Anyways good race by Charles.

Sainz is disappointed me these 2 races. Hope he gets on top of his issues.

[burak karaküdük]

2-3 very good result. we collected good points. we were so close to winning but we couldnt achive. forza ferrari we beat those guys again

[Kyss4k]

By the way... I don't know if anyone noticed my post about my fantasy season race by race standings I posted after Bahrain, but so far it goes exactly, as I made it up. First race 1, 2 and the second race 2, 3. Do you wanna know how the third one will end? :D

[Nick Singer]

My God! What a whiny b1tch Verstappen is! A real crybaby. Handed his Championship last year, now whining worse than HAM!

[stefa]

By the way... I don't know if anyone noticed my post about my fantasy season race by race standings I posted after Bahrain, but so far it goes exactly, as I made it up. First race 1, 2 and the second race 2, 3. Do you wanna know how the third one will end? :D

I know :-D

[Cavallino]

My God! What a whiny b1tch Verstappen is! A real crybaby. Handed his Championship last year, now whining worse than HAM!

and just got handed a win with bogus safety car deltas

[stefa]

CL what a class!!!

[stefa]

and just got handed a win with bogus safety car deltas

Something was fishy there

[paneristi]

VSC helped Max. Just at the right time.

[stefa]

CS needs to raise his game

[ferrari4life]

lets not complain about SC.
the first SC gave us the advantage over Perez.

CS should have kept MV behind at the start.

[Cavallino]

Charles will learn from this, not much you can learn when the other guy cheats

[ferrari1.8t]

Something was fishy there

If ferrari has balls they will request an investigation….

[Cavallino]

If ferrari has balls they will request an investigation….

[alfaromeo]

Good race for Ferrari well done…

[paneristi]

LEC still the driver of the day. 2-3 not bad. 1-2 for the rest of the season.

[Kyss4k]

lets not complain about SC.
the first SC gave us the advantage over Perez.

CS should have kept MV behind at the start.

It's not about the SC, it!s about what happened during it. VSC is made to keep the gaps constant, yet Maxmilian gained a second under what is more than double yellows. And then he complains about Charles gaining 2 tenths under single yellow. He is a spoiled, arogant brat.

[Ferrarichamp]

I can't see Binotto requesting it.

[stefa]

CL, what a class!!! :clap

[Greig]

Carlos and Perez under investigation for not slowing for yellows.

[ferrari4life]

Carlos and Perez under investigation for not slowing for yellows.

geeze

[stefa]

Now I am disappointing, but 2nd and 3rd is great result! Long season, head down and harvest points!

[tifosi1993]

We need more power. That RB-Honda engine is fast. We need couple of HP’s more.

We're running high DF. I don't think we are lacking any HP.

Running lower DF setup worked here, but it's not gonna work in Australia. We also need the upgrades, can't run every race with the launch spec. The upgrades must come in the next race.

[hakanabi]

If ferrari has balls they will request an investigation….

I guess they should do, how on earth mv managed to close over 2 seconds gap when vsc was active?

[tpe]

WH.AT A CL.A.SS

Amazing CL. He basically said everyone that MV is a beep...

[khizerk]

Something was fishy there

Something was off in CL's balance after vsc. After the botched attempt by MV in which he majorly locked up his tires, he dropped 1.3-1.4 sec behind but was able to get back within DRS detection within one lap. So CL was losing time. Probably tire temps not back up.

Two take aways really:
1. In tracks with relatively longer straights, DRS zones need to be shorter. In Jeddah, they were super over powered for sure and more than compensated time lost following someone around corners.
2. Ferrari needs to resolve the porpoising issues ASAP so that it could go for more neutral setups. Otherwise in tracks like these, the drivers are sitting ducks as soon as someone gets in DRS range.

[458 Italia]

Still think DRS is too strong.

[KingCharles]

RB is the new Merc with that PU. Why we stupidly agreed to the freeze is anyone's guess. RB was already on the backfoot with Honda leaving now they are going to dominate till 2026. Other teams got played big time!! How do RB do it? Let McLaren test Honda PU for them for 3 years, cap wind tunnel while they have 2 teams and double the wind tunnel time, Get the biggest deal in F1 with Oracle, and of course have FIA , Sky championing them.

Sorry guys but we only have a few tracks that can beat RB - they will kill us in most tracks with that top speed.

[alfaromeo]

It is necessary to continue with the development of the car, because it still has quite a few reserves f1-75

[Greig]

RB is the new Merc with that PU. Why we stupidly agreed to the freeze is anyone's guess. RB was already on the backfoot with Honda leaving now they are going to dominate till 2026. Other teams got played big time!! How do RB do it? Let McLaren test Honda PU for them for 3 years, cap wind tunnel while they have 2 teams and double the wind tunnel time, Get the biggest deal in F1 with Oracle, and of course have FIA , Sky championing them.

Sorry guys but we only have a few tracks that can beat RB - they will kill us in most tracks with that top speed.

LOL no.

[Kyss4k]

Still think DRS is too strong.

We didn't manage to overtake Red Bull in any of the 3 DRS zones. It's their top speed that is too strong. But that should change in Australia. Let's hope at least.

[tpe]

On a side note: I believe CL and the pitwall lost the race today during the VSC.
For the car behind you to gain 2'' instead of going to 4, means that the failed to keep the deltas.

IF deltas where kept by CL, that means MV didn't kept them.
But at least, we had 1 nice 2-3 and CL got the fastest lap.

[Aziz]

Will we have updated car in Aus?

[KingCharles]

Max cheated with the VSC 100% cheat!! Disgusting!

[JacKy]

Deltas during vsc really need to investage.

Gap was around 1.8-1.9 and reduced to 1.1 after restart

[Nick Singer]

Can't complain. We knew the RB was very fast in a straight line. We are right in this. I think Max is temperamentally weaker than LEC. Over 23 - or whatever - races we can have him. Big Dutch crybaby.

And much as I dislike HAM, Max was handed the Championship last year. May it be his last, inshallah!

#FORZA FERRARI!

#essereFerrari

[alfaromeo]

This is vey pessimist I don’t believe that

[Kyss4k]

RB is the new Merc with that PU. Why we stupidly agreed to the freeze is anyone's guess. RB was already on the backfoot with Honda leaving now they are going to dominate till 2026. Other teams got played big time!! How do RB do it? Let McLaren test Honda PU for them for 3 years, cap wind tunnel while they have 2 teams and double the wind tunnel time, Get the biggest deal in F1 with Oracle, and of course have FIA , Sky championing them.

Sorry guys but we only have a few tracks that can beat RB - they will kill us in most tracks with that top speed.

This was the fastest race in the calendar and we only just lost to them. I don't think they will "kill us". It's just the setup route we chose did not fit this circuit as well as theirs.

[Cavallino]

This was the fastest race in the calendar and we only just lost to them. I don't think they will "kill us". It's just the setup route we chose did not fit this circuit as well as theirs.

i'm surprised the tyre deg wasn't higher for them

[KingCharles]

LOL no.


it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026

[alfaromeo]

This is vey pessimist I don’t believe that

King charles

[ntukza]

Damn!

[Cavallino]

it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026

and Ferrari, no chance to improve anywhere?

what?

[Kyss4k]

i'm surprised the tyre deg wasn't higher for them

Well Max struggled at the end of the medium tyres stint actually. Dropped to almost 3 seconds behind Charles. The hards were insanely durable, Hamilton managed almost 40 laps on them. Plus we haveto take the SC and VSC into consideration.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Binotto is always happy to go with 'for the good of the sport' so don't hold your breath there. Max just got away with cheating to get into the DRS and then has the nerve to whine about Leclerc all over the race. What a classless trashbag :lol

[KingCharles]

On a side note: I believe CL and the pitwall lost the race today during the VSC.
For the car behind you to gain 2'' instead of going to 4, means that the failed to keep the deltas.

IF deltas where kept by CL, that means MV didn't kept them.
But at least, we had 1 nice 2-3 and CL got the fastest lap.

Or maybe Max went beyond the delta?

[Cavallino]

Well Max struggled at the end of the medium tyres stint actually. Dropped to almost 3 seconds behind Charles. The hards were insanely durable, Hamilton managed almost 40 laps on them. Plus we haveto take the SC and VSC into consideration.

true, our deg was still better but not by enough to overcome everything

[giannigiorgini]

it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026


Come on trolls again?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Come on everybody, I think our engine is slightly better than Honda. It's just that they've shown up with a dragster and us with a tank. Jeddah is the outlier of all outliers. Solely about drag if you get in a close race situation.

[ntukza]

RB is the new Merc with that PU. Why we stupidly agreed to the freeze is anyone's guess. RB was already on the backfoot with Honda leaving now they are going to dominate till 2026. Other teams got played big time!! How do RB do it? Let McLaren test Honda PU for them for 3 years, cap wind tunnel while they have 2 teams and double the wind tunnel time, Get the biggest deal in F1 with Oracle, and of course have FIA , Sky championing them.

Sorry guys but we only have a few tracks that can beat RB - they will kill us in most tracks with that top speed.

I hate this kind of comment two races into the season after a 1-2 and a 2-3. So stupid.

[alfaromeo]

it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026

Do you think Ferrari will sleep during the season. Personally, I think that Ferrari will be the team that will upgrade the car the most during the season. They are the only team that did not bring a new upgrade from testing to 2 races.

[tifosi1993]

it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026

With such predictions, no wonder you end up as a troll.

[ntukza]

it's only a matter of time before they improve their acceleration out of the corners. PU is king. RB are going to sadly dominate till 2026

I'm blocking this guy. I don't need this.

[jgonzalesm6]

Come on everybody, I think our engine is slightly better than Honda. It's just that they've shown up with a dragster and us with a tank. Jeddah is the outlier of all outliers.

No, both cars are equal....it just boils down to downforce and of course the drivers. Both guys compliment each other and the wheel-to-wheel racing is what we've been missing.

[Cavallino]

i agree however that we should never have agreed to the freeze.

we should be a second clear per lap

[KingCharles]

and Ferrari, no chance to improve anywhere?

what?

Ferrari cant improve the PU - and that's all that matters. RB has a big PU advantage remember the 2009 - 2013 era? Well, this has the hallmarks of it. Only a matter of time before RB hit their stride - it's depressing because the writing is on the wall. Idiot Teams agreeing to the PU freeze! I hate them all!

[tifosi1993]

I hate this kind of comment two races into the season after a 1-2 and a 2-3. So stupid.

Ignore list is your friend.

[KimiBot]

No, both cars are equal....it just boils down to downforce and of course the drivers. Both guys compliment each other and the wheel-to-wheel racing is what we've been missing.

Yes, it is tight and awesome racing, this is what we have been missing so long time

[paneristi]

Deltas during vsc really need to investage.

Gap was around 1.8-1.9 and reduced to 1.1 after restart

Right

[patrese86]

Guys let's stay classy, we had a good day today and we should also be humble like Charles. Sometimes things go for you and sometimes against but this result won't define us, it's probably not a circuit which plays to our particular strengths yet we still did well.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think our newfound Brazilian friend really has no idea what drag means and that Alfa and Haas are running circles around the other Honda team :lol

[Cavallino]

Ferrari cant improve the PU - and that's all that matters. RB has a big PU advantage remember the 2009 - 2013 era? Well, this has the hallmarks of it. Only a matter of time before RB hit their stride - it's depressing because the writing is on the wall. Idiot Teams agreeing to the PU freeze! I ****ing hate them all!

so Red Bull is all PU?

did you look at the wing levels?

i gave your opinions a chance but clearly you're oblivious to what is actually happening

[Ferrarichamp]

so after 2 races, we got two double podiums including a win, a RB double DNF, and Mercedes not competitive.
I'd say that's a pretty good start.

[KingCharles]

I'm blocking this guy. I don't need this.

You can't handle the truth? We screwed up with the engine freeze! How do you let RB who was going to be without Honda pull off that masterstroke and get other teams stupidly to agree on a freeze?

Bunch of clowns!

[patrese86]

Ferrari cant improve the PU - and that's all that matters. RB has a big PU advantage remember the 2009 - 2013 era? Well, this has the hallmarks of it. Only a matter of time before RB hit their stride - it's depressing because the writing is on the wall. Idiot Teams agreeing to the PU freeze! I hate them all!

It's not all about engine, other things define straight line speed you know. And it's a trade off every weekend for every team up and down the grid.

[alfaromeo]

Ferrari cant improve the PU - and that's all that matters. RB has a big PU advantage remember the 2009 - 2013 era? Well, this has the hallmarks of it. Only a matter of time before RB hit their stride - it's depressing because the writing is on the wall. Idiot Teams agreeing to the PU freeze! I hate them all!

This is not true Ferrari can improve hybrids engine components

[Redfive]

What a superb race!! Yes I wish Charles had won but looking at the last few seasons, the last two races have been AMAZING for me, this is going to be a wonderful year for Ferrari!

also have you noticed the races are so much more enjoyable when Hamilton is not at the front. lol

[Tifoso Svedese]

It's interesting that once we have a fast car new users appear like this and know everything about aero, engines, batteries and set-ups :lol

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari cant improve the PU - and that's all that matters. RB has a big PU advantage remember the 2009 - 2013 era? Well, this has the hallmarks of it. Only a matter of time before RB hit their stride - it's depressing because the writing is on the wall. Idiot Teams agreeing to the PU freeze! I ****ing hate them all!

Where are your data? Everyone directly from F1 says Ferrari is the team who probably has the strongest PU. Then emerges some unknown guy who tries to trash our team. Well I am sorry, your "opinion" has no weight compared to theirs. But I guess people feel better after vomiting...

[tifosi1993]

The chassis is incredible, the PU is incredible, the drivers are incredible, the pit crews are incredible and the race operation and the strategy are becoming top notch as well.

But now we need to bring some upgrades and leapfrog others.

[alfaromeo]

And Ferrari will bring at engine 2 hybrid upgrades

[Tifoso Svedese]

The chassis is incredible, the PU is incredible, the drivers are incredible, the pit crews are incredible and the race operation and the strategy are becoming top notch as well.

But now we need to bring some upgrades and leapfrog others.

... and we need twistier tracks which comes around in May and runs all the way until Spa.

[nani_s23]

The chassis is incredible, the PU is incredible, the drivers are incredible, the pit crews are incredible and the race operation and the strategy are becoming top notch as well.

But now we need to bring some upgrades and leapfrog others.

Can we improve PU ?? I think it will be freezed by September right?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Can we improve PU ?? I think it will be freezed by September right?

We can still upgrade the hybrid. I assume Red Bull can't since Honda aren't investing any money in it and they basically just maintain what they have.

[jgonzalesm6]

You can't handle the truth? We screwed up with the engine freeze! How do you let RB who was going to be without Honda pull off that masterstroke and get other teams stupidly to agree on a freeze?

Bunch of clowns!

Everyone agreed to the rules and regulations in this turbo-hybrid era 2014 thru 2021......EVERYONE got screwed with the exception of Mercedes and Lewis.

[SFTifoso]

RB definitely pushing their engine. Being 26 points down, it definitely made sense. I wonder if it will cost them reliability later on, or having to take up new engines. I hope Ferrari can get their PU up to full power by Monza. We only lost cause of the VSC; unlucky. We’ll get ‘em in Australia.

[tifosi1993]

Can we improve PU ?? I think it will be freezed by September right?

Don't worry. I don't think we need to improve the PU at all. Bahrain and Saudi are two power circuits where Ferrari ran with burn door RW. They have dominated Bahrain and almost won the Saudi.

But yes, the energy harvesting components can be upgraded this year, after that no more upgrades apart from reliability.

[patrese86]

We aren't even running the engine at full beans yet. We will bring updates (RB and Merc already brought a bunch) and we are happy to see the correlation with the simulator, you can't overstate the impact of that because it reinforces the belief in future updates and that they will bring the performance required.

[SFTifoso]

We can still upgrade the hybrid. I assume Red Bull can't since Honda aren't investing any money in it and they basically just maintain what they have.

Yeah what’s Honda deal in all of this? If they just simply developed the engine up to a point, and left, then we can definitely catch up, and surpass them. PUs aren’t frozen yet.

[KimiBot]

RB definitely pushing their engine. Being 26 points down, it definitely made sense. I wonder if it will cost them reliability later on, or having to take up new engines. I hope Ferrari can get their PU up to full power by Monza. We only lost cause of the VSC; unlucky. We’ll get ‘em in Australia.

TBH Pere also lost P1 because of safety car, so we are even with that. I did start to think that somehow Hamilton wins this because of his luck in past years.:-D

[KimiBot]

RB definitely pushing their engine. Being 26 points down, it definitely made sense. I wonder if it will cost them reliability later on, or having to take up new engines. I hope Ferrari can get their PU up to full power by Monza. We only lost cause of the VSC; unlucky. We’ll get ‘em in Australia.

TBH Perez also lost P1 because of safety car, so we are even with that. I did start to think that somehow Hamilton wins this because of his luck in past years.:-D

[tifosi1993]

... and we need twistier tracks which comes around in May and runs all the way until Spa.

Australia is a high downforce circuit as well. I don't think running skinny RW is going to work there.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The 2019 Melbourne layout would've suited our car very well but I'm not sure now with the lakeside chicane being removed. However, S1 and S3 should be very good for us even though we'll take attrition in the mid.

Maybe you didn't know about the lakeside chicane removal Tifoso1993?

[KingCharles]

We can still upgrade the hybrid. I assume Red Bull can't since Honda aren't investing any money in it and they basically just maintain what they have.

RB's issue is not money - they already have $300m extra saved from the budget cap and the extra $100m a year from Oracle. Not to mention - taking away 60% of Merc senior PU staff. Ben Hodkinson will be doing a great job with ICE. I just cant see anything stopping them - sadly.

[Cavallino]

TBH Pere also lost P1 because of safety car, so we are even with that. I did start to think that somehow Hamilton wins this because of his luck in past years.:-D

i've also seen LH get suspiciously closer after VSC periods

[jgonzalesm6]

Australia is a high downforce circuit as well. I don't think running skinny RW is going to work there.

The track has changed....it's faster now due to construction.

[Tifoso Svedese]

There should be a rule preventing DRS use after the VSC until three green flag laps just like a normal start or after a SC. It's a no-brainer really.

[jgonzalesm6]

The 2019 Melbourne layout would've suited our car very well but I'm not sure now with the lakeside chicane being removed. However, S1 and S3 should be very good for us even though we'll take attrition in the mid.

Maybe you didn't know about the lakeside chicane removal Tifoso1993?

yep

[Kyss4k]

RB's issue is not money - they already have $300m extra saved from the budget cap and the extra $100m a year from Oracle. Not to mention - taking away 60% of Merc senior PU staff. Ben Hodkinson will be doing a great job with ICE. I just cant see anything stopping them - sadly.

We have more wind tunnel time, we are running with a launch car while they already brought a big upgrade (their budget is therfore smaller now). We are holding some aces too. You are just pessimist for the sake of being a pessimist. Or a troll. Either way you are wrong, you have only small knowlage about F1 and as a new member, you messed up your reputation right from the very start. Congrats.

[stefa]

so after 2 races, we got two double podiums including a win, a RB double DNF, and Mercedes not competitive.
I'd say that's a pretty good start.
:thumb

[Tifoso Svedese]

I'm sure Faloupis (?) and KingCharles feel damn good about being gangstas in here though :lol

[stefa]

We have more wind tunnel time, we are running with a launch car while they already brought a big upgrade (their budget is therfore smaller now). We are holding some aces too. You are just pessimist for the sake of being a pessimist. Or a troll. Either way you are wrong, you have only small knowlage about F1 and as a new member, you messed up your reputation right from the very start. Congrats.

:clap
Well said
I rest my case

[F2008]

Clever racing from Leclerc. Shame he wasn't able to break the DRS after the VSC, but all in all it's still looking very good.
:ferrarifl

[Aziz]

In Spain we were fast in Bahrain we were fast and we were fast in Saudi.... So high DF track, medium DF track and low DF track.... We are fast everywhere

[ferrari4life]

were we not allowed DRS on the last lap due to the yellow flags?
Did we have a chance to get it back if not for that?

[KingCharles]

Where are your data? Everyone directly from F1 says Ferrari is the team who probably has the strongest PU. Then emerges some unknown guy who tries to trash our team. Well I am sorry, your "opinion" has no weight compared to theirs. But I guess people feel better after vomiting...

Where do I get my data from? Maybe you should watch the races? The talk about Ferrari having the strongest PU is just talking. I go with facts before everyone's eyes. RB has by far the strongest PU and they are only going to get better with their PU upgrades. I am not living in denial and just saying it as it is. If Ferrari truly had the strongest PU they will be running it NOW and not holding back. Did Ferrari hold back in 2019? Come on stop kidding yourself about having the best PU. We made a mistake to accept the freeze - we only built our PU to get on par with other teams old PU 2021 and we agreed to a freeze - like *** is that?

[ferrari1.8t]

Stupid question, is there still a point for Fastest Lap? CL got it on both races…

[ntukza]

Guys let's stay classy, we had a good day today and we should also be humble like Charles. Sometimes things go for you and sometimes against but this result won't define us, it's probably not a circuit which plays to our particular strengths yet we still did well.

+1

[tifosi1993]

Stupid question, is there still a point for Fastest Lap? CL got it on both races…

Yes. 25+1 in Bahrain, 18+1 in Saudi.

[Schumiklub]

Stupid question, is there still a point for Fastest Lap? CL got it on both races…

Yes :)

[KingCharles]

TBH Perez also lost P1 because of safety car, so we are even with that. I did start to think that somehow Hamilton wins this because of his luck in past years.:-D

No we are not even - it's Max that we are fighting for WDC - Max going place from 3rd to 1st.

[ferrari1.8t]

Yes. 25+1 in Bahrain, 18+1 in Saudi.

Fantastic! Thanks. Amazing to maximize the points…

[Kyss4k]

Where do I get my data from? Maybe you should watch the races? The talk about Ferrari having the strongest PU is just talking. I go with facts before everyone's eyes. RB has by far the strongest PU and they are only going to get better with their PU upgrades. I am not living in denial and just saying it as it is. If Ferrari truly had the strongest PU they will be running it NOW and not holding back. Did Ferrari hold back in 2019? Come on stop kidding yourself about having the best PU. We made a mistake to accept the freeze - we only built our PU to get on par with other teams old PU 2021 and we agreed to a freeze - like *** is that?

:D You are just proving that you have no clue about F1. Do you know, what high downforce setup is? Did you see our rear wing? Did you hear what Binotto said about us having higher DF for this race, the same as Bahrain? Do you know what high DF does to your top speed? No? I'll tell you... With hogh downforce you will be slower on the straight as the car will have more drag. But it will be faster in the twisty bits, which are called corners, heard of them? Yea... we were waaaaay faster in those. Red Bull went with smaller wings, therefore low DF setup. That's why they were faster on top speed.

So maybe, just maybe you should learn a bit before you start acting like you know it all and all is wrong and we should have done this and that. Then come back and we can have a discussion. See ya.

[SFTifoso]

I think we can win the championships outright if we simply match RB development pace, and win all the medium/high DF tracks. Although I feel we definitely holding our development back and more pace is to come. BUT the thing that worries me is Monza. I hope we find some way to win that one.

[Kyss4k]

I think we can win the championships outright if we simply match RB development pace, and win all the medium/high DF tracks. Although I feel we definitely holding our development back and more pace is to come. BUT the thing that worries me is Monza. I hope we find some way to win that one.

We will have a low DF setup for Monza for sure, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think we can win the championships outright if we simply match RB development pace, and win all the medium/high DF tracks. Although I feel we definitely holding our development back and more pace is to come. BUT the thing that worries me is Monza. I hope we find some way to win that one.

Monza is better than Jeddah for a draggy car so long as you have the traction, which we do in abundance. Vettel won there twice in a Red Bull.

We did better there than Spa both in 2020 and 2021.

[Aziz]

:D You are just proving that you have no clue about F1. Do you know, what high downforce setup is? Did you see our rear wing? Did you hear what Binotto said about us having higher DF for this race, the same as Bahrain? Do you know what high DF does to your top speed? No? I'll tell you... With hogh downforce you will be slower on the straight as the car will have more drag. But it will be faster in the twisty bits, which are called corners, heard of them? Yea... we were waaaaay faster in those. Red Bull went with smaller wings, therefore low DF setup. That's why they were faster on top speed.

So maybe, just maybe you should learn a bit before you start acting like you know it all and all is wrong and we should have done this and that. Then come back and we can have a discussion. See ya.


I stopped reading his post at PU upgrades :clap

[elnano14]

I am sure that KingCharles guy is Mr Faloupas. All he said is ALL NEGATIVE. Just ignore that troll

[tifosi1993]

Yes, don't take the bait. Replying to him will only clog up the server and it's not worth it.

[PURE PASSION]

Where do I get my data from? Maybe you should watch the races? The talk about Ferrari having the strongest PU is just talking. I go with facts before everyone's eyes. RB has by far the strongest PU and they are only going to get better with their PU upgrades. I am not living in denial and just saying it as it is. If Ferrari truly had the strongest PU they will be running it NOW and not holding back. Did Ferrari hold back in 2019? Come on stop kidding yourself about having the best PU. We made a mistake to accept the freeze - we only built our PU to get on par with other teams old PU 2021 and we agreed to a freeze - like *** is that?

Well pu power is mesured only in the exits and acceleration . There you can see the true power. After that its simply aero. AND on accelaration we are undoubtedly the strongest !!! But if we dont win by 30s and be 20km faster on straights ,you and some others always gonna moan about something !!! Yoy know what, I'M HAPPY .You can live with your misery !!!!

[PURE PASSION]

Just 1 thing
damage limitation to be 2nd 0.5s back and with FL !!!!

[Cavallino]

Just 1 thing
damage limitation to be 2nd 0.5s back and with FL !!!!

yeah, and it's the equivalent of a lucky Safety Car win, but I don't see us getting this one back in the luck department

[Liscia]

I feel good about 2nd and 3rd at this dangerous track and expect that we'll be in great shape for Australia. Glad that Werestoppin played mature and clean today
and that Charles took fastest lap again while Carlos maintained 3rd throughout. We've got a nice gap to RB which should open up further in Melbourne.

[tifosi1993]

Have we got any explanations from the stewards about their decision of not letting Carlos overtake Perez under the SC? if not, then Ferrari should ask some tough questions.

[Kyss4k]

My Melbourne bet is 1st and 3rd (leaving some margin to be surprised), so let's see. If I'll get this right as well I'll consider chasing a career of fortune telling.

[Cheeseman]

Well pu power is mesured only in the exits and acceleration . There you can see the true power. After that its simply aero. AND on accelaration we are undoubtedly the strongest !!! But if we dont win by 30s and be 20km faster on straights ,you and some others always gonna moan about something !!! Yoy know what, I'M HAPPY .You can live with your misery !!!!

Yep, there is always one.
We have plenty of power in thta Ferrari. With the setup we ran we were already 10km/h slower down the straights without DRS. Add another 11km/h with DRS and we were always going to be a sitting duck in the DRS zones. Charles pushed hard to stay out range. Maybe we took a bit too much out of the tyres to build the gap and Max saved a bit which paid off in the end

[tpe]

Stupid question, is there still a point for Fastest Lap? CL got it on both races…

Yes

[paolo lalli]

Great results fantastic points that ferrari is at the pointy end no doubts.

[Cavallino]

the vsc thing can be explained possibly by when it started and ends

i'll have to go back and watch

but let's say it starts at the end of sector 2 where redbull are quick, then ends at the start of sector 2,

redbull got two fast sectors without leclerc being able to respond with a fast sector 1.

if that's the case you have to do something about it, perhaps it's as easy of disabling DRS for 2 laps post vsc

[Cavallino]

the vsc thing can be explained possibly by when it started and ends

i'll have to go back and watch

but let's say it starts at the end of sector 2 where redbull are quick, then ends at the start of sector 2,

redbull got two fast sectors without leclerc being able to respond with a fast sector 1.

if that's the case you have to do something about it, perhaps it's as easy of disabling DRS for 2 laps post vsc

and let's say that's what happened, is it the FIA engineering finishes again?

[SFTifoso]

Yes

Not getting the fastest lap must be super annoying for RB :-D

[Cavallino]

Not getting the fastest lap must be super annoying for RB :-D

yep

[SFTifoso]

8009

Just a reminder you’re feeling miffed about this race. Let’s get it in Australia! :pass:pass:ferrarifl

[Tony]

I just hope Ferrari can turn up the wick soon so that this RB straight line advantage will disappear

[khizerk]

I just hope Ferrari can turn up the wick soon so that this RB straight line advantage will disappear

I think many people are forgetting that we do have a porpoising issue which gets worse with higher top speeds. It's likely that we chose an extra downforce setup as a compromise. I do firmly believe that once that is resolved and we start putting more neutral setups on, we will be matching RB in straight line speed.

[Tony]

I think many people are forgetting that we do have a porpoising issue which gets worse with higher top speeds. It's likely that we chose an extra downforce setup as a compromise. I do firmly believe that once that is resolved and we start putting more neutral setups on, we will be matching RB in straight line speed.

From what i understand, higher DF makes the porpoising worse (i heard this on Sky, i can't remember who they interviewed that said this). Suspension setting is the main way to fix purpoising.

[jgonzalesm6]

Have we got any explanations from the stewards about their decision of not letting Carlos overtake Perez under the SC? if not, then Ferrari should ask some tough questions.

“No investigation needed” per the stewards.

The last 2 laps also warranted a “no investigation needed.”

[WS6TransAm01]

It was good to see a clean battle, just wish Charles came out on top. A double podium is nice but like Rickey Bobby said, “if hon ain’t first, you’re last”

It looked like the Ferraris were running more wing than the Red Bull cars, which would explain the straight line speed differential. The decision made it harder for Charles to defend or attack once Max is within DRS.

Oh well. Hoping for a Ferrari win next time.

[SFTifoso]

From what i understand, higher DF makes the porpoising worse (i heard this on Sky, i can't remember who they interviewed that said this). Suspension setting is the main way to fix purpoising.

I have a feeling our compromise is higher spring rates and higher downforce. We found a good balance with that. Whereas Red Bull are free to run whatever setup they want. This bodes well if true. Where compromised and still faster than the redbulls. Our PU is on par or slightly behind RB; and once we turn it up more pace will come. Overall I feel good. Still miffed that crashstapoen got us. That last yellow flag really sealed it for them.

[Michal2_F1]

It's great to be a bit disappointed with 2-3 :) Fantastic start to the season for us. Leclerc is fighting so intelligently, Verstappen was just too fast today.

[paolo lalli]

This was a power hungry track ferrari and red bull are nip and tuck we are faster through the bends they are a little faster down the straits.Ferrari will gain more speed no doubt as season progresses at this stage we are splitting hairs between the two teams,its a long season.Ferrari have come out of the blocks firing from where we were to where we are is like night and day.When was the last time ferrari led both championships from day 1.?I could not be happier with what I have seen,a brilliant car fast and reliable with a fantastic driver pairing.I can only see wonderful things moving foward.

[ferrari4life]

I saw a comment on reddit about how Horner was begging for the yellow flags at the end. Is that true? Why are they able to influence race control like this. Didnt they do that on the last race of 21?

[SFTifoso]

I saw a comment on reddit about how Horner was begging for the yellow flags at the end. Is that true? Why are they able to influence race control like this. Didnt they do that on the last race of 21?

I think he was just being crybaby cause he knew Charles was coming for crash-boy. They got lucky with the accident. I gotta say tho they’re bigger crybabies than two-chains and pumpernickel. We’ll make them cry more in Australia.

[Super M]

This was a power hungry track ferrari and red bull are nip and tuck we are faster through the bends they are a little faster down the straits.Ferrari will gain more speed no doubt as season progresses at this stage we are splitting hairs between the two teams,its a long season.Ferrari have come out of the blocks firing from where we were to where we are is like night and day.When was the last time ferrari led both championships from day 1.?I could not be happier with what I have seen,a brilliant car fast and reliable with a fantastic driver pairing.I can only see wonderful things moving foward.

Spot on Paolo......:thumb

[scudieros]

“No investigation needed” per the stewards.

The last 2 laps also warranted a “no investigation needed.”

I think the no investigation needed was for the fact that the place had been given back, don't know if when the postion was given back ever investigated. I am sure they'll say it was human error or new team blah blah.

Ferrari should ask clarification because if the place was given back during the safety car Carlos could have challenged Max from behind, and that may have had an impact on Max's ability to challenge Charles.

[Nick Singer]

It's great to be a bit disappointed with 2-3 :) Fantastic start to the season for us. Leclerc is fighting so intelligently, Verstappen was just too fast today.

Exactly! That we are disappointed at 2nd (by 0.5s!) and 3rd shows that Ferrari is at the 'sharp end' and should be fighting for the Championships.

[Nick Singer]

I think he was just being crybaby cause he knew Charles was coming for crash-boy. They got lucky with the accident. I gotta say tho they’re bigger crybabies than two-chains and pumpernickel. We’ll make them cry more in Australia.

Max was whining throughout. Upset also because he was out qualified by his team mate, ended up p4 on the grid and couldn't get past LEC until the very end - when helped somewhat by the yellow..

He was gifted the WDC last year by Masi's ****-up; perhaps he should shut up. #Crybaby

[wisepie]

What a race from Charles, hard to watch at times on that track and praying that he wouldn't end up in the wall, he just kept it together and deserved to win but the RB straight line speed ended that dream. We have to be pleased with what the drivers and pit crew have done so far and the F1-75 has put us back in the game big time. A double podium is not to be sniffed at and it's looking very positive for the coming races. My blood pressure is suffering, though!

[stefa]

What a race from Charles, hard to watch at times on that track and praying that he wouldn't end up in the wall, he just kept it together and deserved to win but the RB straight line speed ended that dream. We have to be pleased with what the drivers and pit crew have done so far and the F1-75 has put us back in the game big time. A double podium is not to be sniffed at and it's looking very positive for the coming races. My blood pressure is suffering, though!

Completely agree with you. As someone said, imagine this is damage limitation weekend with 2nd and 3rd position, and lost a win by just a half a second! Great result!

[Noquarter]

Ferrari got setup wrong
A lot bigger rear wing compared to RB with minimal hard tyre degradation was bad choice.

[SilverSpeed]

https://streamable.com/hpw1kt

haha.

[Cavallino]

From what i understand, higher DF makes the porpoising worse (i heard this on Sky, i can't remember who they interviewed that said this). Suspension setting is the main way to fix purpoising.

then why go with the high DF setup?

did they just simply over estimage degredation?

we need to send Giovazzi back to Italy to be running these simulations! ( i'm half kidding )

[Tony]

then why go with the high DF setup?

did they just simply over estimage degredation?

we need to send Giovazzi back to Italy to be running these simulations! ( i'm half kidding )

No idea lol, I'm not qualified to talk on this haha. It's just something I heard on Sky during the FP's I think anyway. It's also not clear how bad Ferrari's porpoising issue is, they did address it through a new floor, so is it still that bad?

[Cavallino]

No idea lol, I'm not qualified to talk on this haha. It's just something I heard on Sky during the FP's I think anyway. It's also not clear how bad Ferrari's porpoising issue is, they did address it through a new floor, so is it still that bad?

i'm not sure there was a new floor, maybe just a revision with some ducktape. the consensus seems to be that this is pretty much the vanilla F1-75

[jgonzalesm6]

Perfect double stack pit stop.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1509233999033483266

[Cheeseman]

then why go with the high DF setup?

did they just simply over estimage degredation?

we need to send Giovazzi back to Italy to be running these simulations! ( i'm half kidding )

The setup was a bit concervative probably as tyre wear might have been a concern. A few months ago Ferrari wasn't anywhere near the fight at the front. Red Bull has been fighting at the front for a while and learned from last year. Lewis was a lot quicker than Max down the straights so they opted for less downforce and more top speed this time round. Ferrari will learn from this year and next year we will be running a different setup. Coming away with a 2 podiums positions is awesome. Ferrari will have to get used to being front runners again and they will be quite concervative in the first part of the season is my guess. As the confidence within the team grow, they will start getting more aggressive. Ferrari is in a good place has a good platform to build from

[Brembo]

Ferrari letting Charles and Carlos race each other I truly believe will cause Ferrari to be #1 , #2 each race. The car is there!!