2022 Spanish Grand Prix - Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[tifosi1993]

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[nani_s23]

Should be Ferrari 1-2 easily … given car characteristics.

Not sure about weather report.

[Ferrarichamp]

Should be Ferrari 1-2 easily … given car characteristics.

Not sure about weather report.

easily? I like your optimism :-)

[FerrariF60]

Should be Ferrari 1-2 easily … given car characteristics.

Not sure about weather report.

Don’t forget that RB still is slippier car compared to Ferrari and they have best top speed.
Also for whatever reason we seem to have lost our edge that we had in slow corners.....at least in the last 2 races...where RB seem to if not March us be right up there

Our hope to be back on top this weekend is the BIG upgrade we’re bringing to give us good lap tome

[nani_s23]

easily? I like your optimism :-)

Yes as ferrari fan, there is always optimism even with worse car as well.
Now that we have strong car, expecting ferrari to bounce back after 2 races where we struggled with tyre wear.

[Gilles]

Don’t forget that RB still is slippier car compared to Ferrari and they have best top speed.
Also for whatever reason we seem to have lost our edge that we had in slow corners.....at least in the last 2 races...where RB seem to if not March us be right up there

Our hope to be back on top this weekend is the BIG upgrade we’re bringing to give us good lap tome

I agree with you, no chance to beat RB kwnowing what we have seen the last races, even on Barcelona track
But i think Ferrari can surprise us with their updates, they took time to analyse their car, their tools, and the competition. So : Go Charles!

[paolo lalli]

Baring any mistakes from ferrari pit crew and drivers this circuit with upgrades smells like a ferrari victory.Carlos sainz must perform here nothing less is erectile.Home soil home fans and a fantastic car .

[tifosi1993]

I'm not sure about all the talks of us being "a tenth or two slower than" Red Bull.

Unless the live timing lies, which it isn't, the F1-75 is still faster than the RB in corners, by a significant margin. But from what I've seen so far, Charles can't maintain his pace like Max is able to. He posts a significantly quicker lap than Max, but than backs out and does couple of slow laps. Which tells me that the F1-75 is overheating it's tyres when being pushed. During the race trim we need consistent lap times, not fast-slow-slow-fast.

But there are sill some gremlins left in the car, mainly the porpoising and the drag. If Ferrari is able to solve the porpoising or reduce the effect of porpoising by a big margin while also shedding off some drag, then I don't see any reasons for us to not win the Spanish GP and the races that are coming.

Hopefully the upgrades will work as intended.

[Ferrarichamp]

My feeling is RB and Ferrari will be evenly matched, very close pace-wise.
I think we have a good chance of winning both Spain and Monaco.

[stefa]

Ferrari needs to win next to races!

[scudieros]

It's all down to how well the upgrades work, if they give us close to half a second then we can fight the RB on the straights.

Considering these are the first declared upgrades, I have high hopes.

Forza Ferrari Sempre

[nani_s23]

I'm not sure about all the talks of us being "a tenth or two slower than" Red Bull.

Unless the live timing lies, which it isn't, the F1-75 is still faster than the RB in corners, by a significant margin. But from what I've seen so far, Charles can't maintain his pace like Max is able to. He posts a significantly quicker lap than Max, but than backs out and does couple of slow laps. Which tells me that the F1-75 is overheating it's tyres when being pushed. During the race trim we need consistent lap times, not fast-slow-slow-fast.

But there are sill some gremlins left in the car, mainly the porpoising and the drag. If Ferrari is able to solve the porpoising or reduce the effect of porpoising by a big margin while also shedding off some drag, then I don't see any reasons for us to not win the Spanish GP and the races that are coming.

Hopefully the upgrades will work as intended.

Rightly said.

What I saw from Imola & Miami, Leclerc pushed hard at the start to maintain a gap. Later he was struggling with tyres & then Max was able to bounce back with overtakes.

I haven’t seen full pace (close to Lec & max) of Sainz yet, who is better at handling tyre deg.

So waiting to see if ferrari figured out any such issues.

[Brembo]

I see Carlos the winner @ Spain and Charles winning @ Monaco !! Ferrari is that good! Merc will keep Max and Perez back so as to get 3rd place on the podium.

[FerrariF60]

I see Carlos the winner @ Spain and Charles winning @ Monaco !! Ferrari is that good! Merc will keep Max and Perez back so as to get 3rd place on the podium.

wishful thinking mate, wishful thinking

[stefa]

wishful thinking mate, wishful thinking

If Ferrari updates works well, than both cars and both Red Bulls will lap so called goat :-D

[FerrariF60]

If Ferrari updates works well, than both cars and both Red Bulls will lap so called goat :-D

that's NOT why i said wishful thinking, i know that if updates will work well, hopefully we'll be ahead of teh BULLS....but brembo said that one of the mercs will be on the 3rd spot on teh podium.....THAT IS WISHFUL THINKING....i'm sure red bull are much faster then Merc

but we'll see how the weekend will unveil for US

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 will not replace the RussianGP (Sochi), so instead of 23 races for the 2022 season, it will be 22 races.

That means the budget cap POSSIBLY drops from 142,4 to 141,2 million $.....update to follow.

[Brembo]

If Ferrari updates works well, than both cars and both Red Bulls will lap so called goat :-D

Only if Masi gets rehired !!!:rotfl

[stefa]

that's NOT why i said wishful thinking, i know that if updates will work well, hopefully we'll be ahead of teh BULLS....but brembo said that one of the mercs will be on the 3rd spot on teh podium.....THAT IS WISHFUL THINKING....i'm sure red bull are much faster then Merc

but we'll see how the weekend will unveil for US

I've got you very well! I just hope we beat Ref Bull with 1-2 and embaress Mercedes and so called goat with lapping them :-D

[FerrariF60]

I've got you very well! I just hope we beat Ref Bull with 1-2 and embaress Mercedes and so called goat with lapping them :-D

Lapping the “SIR goat” would be sweet...

[jgonzalesm6]

Only if Masi gets rehired !!!:rotfl

MBS is not ruling out putting Masi as a third race director.

You might get your wish.

[faloupas]

No matter what upgrade Mercedes will bring.They know that is already over for this year.
As for Ferrari it is important the upgrades we will bring to work well.If not we are in trouble.
Barcelona and Monaco are races that we should aim the victory.

[JacKy]

No Photos yet for any team so far.

Wondering about Aston Martin aswell.

[scudieros]

F1 will not replace the RussianGP (Sochi), so instead of 23 races for the 2022 season, it will be 22 races.

That means the budget cap POSSIBLY drops from 142,4 to 141,2 million $.....update to follow.

I am sure some teams will be crying about inflation soon, and wanting an increase.

[scudieros]

MBS is not ruling out putting Masi as a third race director.

You might get your wish.

MBS might not be a big fan of Lewis either, seems to be pushing quite hard on the jewellery ban front

[PURE PASSION]

No Photos yet for any team so far.

Wondering about Aston Martin aswell.

8025
From what I can see ,nothing new ,at least something big !!

[jgonzalesm6]

No Photos yet for any team so far.

Wondering about Aston Martin aswell.

I've seen cars from this morning.

Quite a few a bringing upgrades as well.

[jgonzalesm6]

8025
From what I can see ,nothing new ,at least something big !!

Aston Martin

https://twitter.com/SmilexTech/status/1527223767268720642/photo/1

[PURE PASSION]

8026
��| The new Ferrari rear wing is flatter and no longer has a spoon profile, aiming to reduce drag.

Significant work has also been done on the floor and there’s a tighter engine cover. https://t.co/1038yT4d2x
Note: the new floor and engine cover are not in this picture (they haven’t been put on the car yet)

[Jax]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-upgrades-france-filming-day/

Funny no one is crying, but when Ferrari test an already tested item ... Mercedes have completed a filming day with the W13 at Paul Ricard, which reportedly sported the upgrades the team were planning on introducing at Barcelona this weekend.

[PURE PASSION]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-upgrades-france-filming-day/

Funny no one is crying, but when Ferrari test an already tested item ... Mercedes have completed a filming day with the W13 at Paul Ricard, which reportedly sported the upgrades the team were planning on introducing at Barcelona this weekend.

Well ,toy actually can run new parts in a filming day .It's just the tires that you have to run on promo ones !!!!

[Jax]

Well ,toy actually can run new parts in a filming day .It's just the tires that you have to run on promo ones !!!!

i'm not saying you cannot. I'm saying that when Ferrari did all hell broke loose ... and they weren't even testing new parts

[PURE PASSION]

i'm not saying you cannot. I'm saying that when Ferrari did all hell broke loose ... and they weren't even testing new parts

They where talking about the Pirelli test .Where supposedly we where running a new floor. But we actually had fit in before in Australia FP1.
In Pirelli tests, you cannot try new parts.

[Jax]

They where talking about the Pirelli test .Where supposedly we where running a new floor. But we actually had fit in before in Australia FP1.
In Pirelli tests, you cannot try new parts.

ok my bad , got things mixed up :-E

[jgonzalesm6]

Sky Germany says that the Ferrari upgrade package will be seen tomorrow, Timo Glock suggests that the upgrade is more under the car (floor).

Sky Germany also mentioned that the F1-75 has a new paint (lighter paint).

[WS6TransAm01]

Sky Germany says that the Ferrari upgrade package will be seen tomorrow, Timo Glock suggests that the upgrade is more under the car (floor).

Sky Germany also mentioned that the F1-75 has a new paint (lighter paint).

Timo Glock says the upgrade is moving out of the way at Turn 13/14 at Interlagos to let Two Chains pass

How an I hate someone with such an awesome last name? Ugh.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Better hope it's a lighter paint more similar to the 2021 livery because this burgundy colour has done my head in :lol

Being underneath the car makes sense to the reports from before. If we get rid of the porpoising, hopefully we can run the car a lot lower and therefore gain a lot of time. I do believe this is a track we need to show pace at to get back in the drivers' seat in the title race. It's in the more technical sections we've thrived this year and Barcelona is all about that.

[nani_s23]

Timo Glock says the upgrade is moving out of the way at Turn 13/14 at Interlagos to let Two Chains pass

How an I hate someone with such an awesome last name? Ugh.

:rotfl:rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

Timo Glock says the upgrade is moving out of the way at Turn 13/14 at Interlagos to let Two Chains pass

How an I hate someone with such an awesome last name? Ugh.

That was funny........btw, have you seen Glock's onboard on YouTube and the interview with Brundle, Glock and Massa???

[FerrariF60]

That was funny........btw, have you seen Glock's onboard on YouTube and the interview with Brundle, Glock and Massa???

NO i haven't, please DO post a link of it

[Toothlessrage*]

Timo Glock says the upgrade is moving out of the way at Turn 13/14 at Interlagos to let Two Chains pass

How an I hate someone with such an awesome last name? Ugh.

Palmer and Herbert are unbearable too.

[jgonzalesm6]

Aston Martin has a completely new and revised car.

[Toothlessrage*]

Aston Martin has a completely new and revised car.

Any images of it?

[jgonzalesm6]

NO i haven't, please DO post a link of it

Timo Glock's Dramatic Final Lap | 2008 Brazil Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhH93grvh84

[jgonzalesm6]

Any images of it?

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/2

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/3

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/4

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1527327858687094784/photo/1

[Toothlessrage*]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/2

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/3

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/4

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1527327858687094784/photo/1

Thank you!

[jgonzalesm6]

Thank you!

:thumb

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/2

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/3

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527326166926774272/photo/4

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1527327858687094784/photo/1

First it was pink Mercedes, now it is green Red Bull

[jgonzalesm6]

First it was pink Mercedes, now it is green Red Bull

agreed. They "xeroxed" the RedBull at the MiamiGP.

[FerrariF60]

First it was pink Mercedes, now it is green Red Bull

Thank god they didnt copy us to make it a RED.....red bull....ha, ha

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes has left the garage.

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/2

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/3

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/4

[Kyss4k]

Mercedes has left the garage.

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/2

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/3

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1527332700087934987/photo/4

That floor is legal? I though there could not be any hole in it and between the two metal joints that's clearly a hole.

[ferrari1.8t]

That floor is legal? I though there could not be any hole in it and between the two metal joints that's clearly a hole.

I’m not to sure on the rules, but even if it isn’t legal you can guarantee that they will be allowed to run it.

Also, what’s with AM copying the RedBull??? How is that allowed? I thought the FIA put a stop to that? And wasn’t it AM complaining about our ties to Haas? Stroll thinks he can just buy/copy cars and automatically win championships.

[FerrariF60]

I’m not to sure on the rules, but even if it isn’t legal you can guarantee that they will be allowed to run it.

Also, what’s with AM copying the RedBull??? How is that allowed? I thought the FIA put a stop to that? And wasn’t it AM complaining about our ties to Haas? Stroll thinks he can just buy/copy cars and automatically win championships.

Well ONE cannot just copy sidepods from another car and expecting to work like the Red bull,....there is more to a car then just side pods....

The car works as a whole....

[458 Italia]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-upgrades-france-filming-day/

Funny no one is crying, but when Ferrari test an already tested item ... Mercedes have completed a filming day with the W13 at Paul Ricard, which reportedly sported the upgrades the team were planning on introducing at Barcelona this weekend.

Please don't post articles from them, the comments section gave me a headache and made me feel ill. ;-) :-D

[nani_s23]

The RB18 loses around 5kg of weight

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527388577541148687?t=cNxnom_y4cak9wzSSuXcPg&s=19

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527388025252106240?t=yZsMXtXpcnMuaVY-cVSuJQ&s=19

[scudieros]

There's always been copying in f1, but then there's Aston Martin. They do copying at another level.

So far Ferrari looks the same, except for the new floor, rear wing and different paint (no clear coat), hopefully it's enough to counter RB straight line speed.

[paolo lalli]

The best upgrades are the ones you can not see well away from spying eyes and copycats.Ferrari upgrades according to italian and German media under Neath the car is where a lot has happened, any cosmetic or minor addition externally will be easily identified by the hungry eyes.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527567084577869825?t=WK2E_U_wlMZEjuiUN6KpFQ&s=19

[jgonzalesm6]

The RB18 loses around 5kg of weight

A reporter at Corriere reports that since the start of the season, the RB18 has lost 7kg. A further weight reduction of 4kg (upgrades) is expected for Barcelona. Red Bull will have another major upgrade after the summer break, it will be the basis for the 2023 car.

[jgonzalesm6]

UPGRADE update list:

McLaren, Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo with the biggest upgrade packages this weekend.

Red Bull, Ferrari and Merc all updating floor. Front wing tweaks for RBR and Merc, rear wing and rear corner for Merc and Ferrari.

Only Haas with no updates.


Mercedes: Front Wing endplate, Floor, Rear Brake Winglets

Red Bull:Front Wing Flaps, Floor

Ferrari: Floor, Rear Brake Winglets, Rear Wing

McLaren: Front Wing Flaps, Front Suspension, Brake Ducts, Floor, Diffusor, Engine Cover, Cooling Louvres, Rear Wing, Rear Brake Winglets

Alpine: Rear Wing, Front Wing Endplate, Rear Brake Winglets

AlphaTauri: Rear Wing


Aston Martin: Floor, Sidepod, Bodywork, Cooling Louvres, Rear Wing, Halo

Williams: Front Wing Flaps, Rear Wing, Rear Brake Winglets

Alfa Romeo: Front Wing Endplate & Flaps, Front Suspension, Engine Cover, Floor, Cooling Louvres, Rear Suspension, Rear Wing

Haas: Nothing

[jgonzalesm6]

Lando Norris will run the new floor in FP1. Daniel Ricciardo is fitted with the old parts to gather comparison data. There are enough parts to fit both cars with the upgrade package if it works as intended.

[jgonzalesm6]

Aston Martin used one of six curfew jokers overnight. Reports suggested they were preparing upgrades for Sebastian Vettel's car. In order for both drivers to have the new package.

[PURE PASSION]

8027ς

[gump1480]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1527585668561608704?t=dVkBfmnfIlwcgGClMYiwGQ&s=19

[PURE PASSION]

��| Ferrari has NOT brought new sidepods to this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix.

[nani_s23]

Seems like there is no big upgrade package as everyone expected at the start of this GP.
Hopefully Rear-wing & Floor does the magic for us.

[PURE PASSION]

Seems like there is no big upgrade package as everyone expected at the start of this GP.
Hopefully Rear-wing & Floor does the magic for us.

Ι think this update has to do with optimization of the car performance!!! Finally (as we hope) we will be able to run with optimum set up and a good top speed !!! From that alone I think we can extract a good amount of performance!!!
Some kind of confirmation from Ferrari:

Ferrari: The last decision is to concentrate on an advanced floor by extracting everything from #F175 to cancel porpoising and increase aerodynamic efficiency

The Updated sidepods (slimmer but same design) postponed to Silverstone

[nani_s23]

Ι think this update has to do with optimization of the car performance!!! Finally (as we hope) we will be able to run with optimum set up and a good top speed !!! From that alone I think we can extract a good amount of performance!!!
Some kind of confirmation from Ferrari:

Thanks for the info.:thumb

[Paulpg87]

RB is clearly the best car with better tyre management and super top speed allow them to easily recover a bad qualify. I don't believe we will compete for anything than 2/3

Moeover they are clearly faster and better in bringing updates as always. If -4kg is true is insane in terms of laptime

We need a bit of luck. I hate them anyway but they are better right now

[458 Italia]

The best upgrades are the ones you can not see well away from spying eyes and copycats.Ferrari upgrades according to italian and German media under Neath the car is where a lot has happened, any cosmetic or minor addition externally will be easily identified by the hungry eyes.

Let's hope neither driver bins it then so other teams can't get pictures when the car is being carried away.

[F2003GA]

Still the anti-porpoising tool on the floor.....

[Brembo]

RB is clearly the best car with better tyre management and super top speed allow them to easily recover a bad qualify. I don't believe we will compete for anything than 2/3

Moeover they are clearly faster and better in bringing updates as always. If -4kg is true is insane in terms of laptime

We need a bit of luck. I hate them anyway but they are better right now

Masi's R Bull team is no better than Ferrari ; car or driver wise. And Luis is better than both drivers. Merc is just going all out to show Russell as the main man on the track knowing how fan wise Luis is not up there. Luis needs to stop counting his millions and pay a little more attention to Merc getting his car right. Not knowing who will win the next race is great for F-1 s future fan and sponsor wise $$$.

[Aziz]

Heavy porpoising on both cars

[gump1480]

Heavy porpoising on both cars

And we are slow in S3 compared to RB

[WS6TransAm01]

Palmer and Herbert are unbearable too.

Yeah by "Palmer" and "Herbert" aren't such cool names like Glock!


Timo Glock's Dramatic Final Lap | 2008 Brazil Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhH93grvh84

http://i.imgur.com/0wpU6FO.gif (https://imgur.com/0wpU6FO)

[nuni]

Any links for stream?

[Aziz]

And we are slow in S3 compared to RB

0.5s down in S3

[F2003GA]

Any links for stream?

https://s1.crichd.ac/sky-sports-f1-live-streaming-hd-14

[FerrariF60]

0.5s down in S3

That’s it season over....mind as well pack it in and concentrate on 2023

[WS6TransAm01]

I'm glad they waited for these updated. They sure are revolutionary... LOL

[stefa]

Masi's R Bull team is no better than Ferrari ; car or driver wise. And Luis is better than both drivers. Merc is just going all out to show Russell as the main man on the track knowing how fan wise Luis is not up there. Luis needs to stop counting his millions and pay a little more attention to Merc getting his car right. Not knowing who will win the next race is great for F-1 s future fan and sponsor wise $$$.

Do I need to remind you, this is Ferrari forum!!!! Go elseware and glory your LH and Mercedes!!!!

[FerrariF60]

I'm glad they waited for these updated. They sure are revolutionary... LOL

No s h I t eh??
Downgrades maybe

[RossTheBoss]

I'm glad they waited for these updated. They sure are revolutionary... LOL
The team clearly held the upgrades because they didn't have confidence in them, not because of the cap.

Obviously you lie and say it's the cap publicly.

[Grimlock]

The team clearly held the upgrades because they didn't have confidence in them, not because of the cap.

Obviously you lie and say it's the cap publicly.

Jumping to conclusions quite fast aren't you? Half of FP1 and its already a downgrade?

[WS6TransAm01]

No s h I t eh??
Downgrades maybe


The team clearly held the upgrades because they didn't have confidence in them, not because of the cap.

Obviously you lie and say it's the cap publicly.

I know it's "too early to tell" and Carlos did just do a 19.9 but I just don't get delaying upgrades when every point matters....

[RossTheBoss]

Jumping to conclusions quite fast aren't you? Half of FP1 and its already a downgrade?
I didn't say they were downgrades at all. I said the reason the team delayed is because they didn't have confidence in they would work, until they did more analysis.

Ferrari don't want to admit it, but they were confused by the porpoising like Mercedes, and weren't sure what was causing it. We'll see if they actually solved it some.

[elnano14]

Close again with Max

[Grimlock]

So on the softs Max's sector 3 was quite badly compromised by traffic so can't really compare. But I don't see proposing on the Ferraris, there are some bumps at the end of the start/finish straight, that's not proposing. Still early to call it is just Friday.

[RossTheBoss]

LOL! The lady with the Lewis flag. Truly Hamilton's fans are out of touch with how screwed he really is. He'll be lucky to ever win another grand prix at this rate.

[458 Italia]

Do I need to remind you, this is Ferrari forum!!!! Go elseware and glory your LH and Mercedes!!!!

His low level trolling is very tiresome. :roll

[tifosi1993]

As always it will be Charles vs Max at the front. But hopefully Carlos will be up there as well. His one lap pace is quite good but he can't hold any candles to either Charles or Max on the race day, so far. But I don't expect him to, all he has to do is put pressure on Max.

Not expecting Perez to mount any big challenge here.

[Grimlock]

Charles did quite a few laps on his soft tire run, might be wrong but it seemed to be a longer run then the one done by Max.

[tifosi1993]

The new RW is working as expected. Top speed is equal to Red Bull. Ferrari fastest in the sector 2 and 3 quite easily.

[Grimlock]

The new RW is working as expected. Top speed is equal to Red Bull. Ferrari fastest in the sector 2 and 3 quite easily.

And that's using the first PU as far as I recall, some more power in PU 2.

[speedmaster]

Are we running older rear wing? the spoon area still looks huge.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Looking good so far for sure.

[458 Italia]

Sky love making excuses for hamilton :lol

[tifosi1993]

Long run pace is looking quite good. But it's FP1, more to come.

[Kyss4k]

Ok, so we AGAIN decided to pospone some upgrades to later date acting like we are ahead by half a second and only bring a floor which should have solve the porpoising and it didn't work... still bouncing. This should have been the BIG upgrade after being basically the only team not developing the car at all since now. It's still the same song... making a great car out of the gates (2010, 2017, 2018) but being outdevelopped by literally everyone. I wonder what are they doing in the factory.

[Grimlock]

Ok, so we AGAIN decided to pospone some upgrades to later date acting like we are ahead by half a second and only bring a floor which should have solve the porpoising and it didn't work... still bouncing. This should have been the BIG upgrade after being basically the only team not developing the car at all since now. It's still the same song... making a great car out of the gates (2010, 2017, 2018) but being outdevelopped by literally everyone. I wonder what are they doing in the factory.

Can you provide a replay of the Ferrari bouncing? I could not see bouncing on the onboard during the fastest laps of both Charles and Carlos, again there are clear bumps at the end of the straight and what you are seeing there is not proposing and its quite minor to boot.

[icedeepan]

Ok, so we AGAIN decided to pospone some upgrades to later date acting like we are ahead by half a second and only bring a floor which should have solve the porpoising and it didn't work... still bouncing. This should have been the BIG upgrade after being basically the only team not developing the car at all since now. It's still the same song... making a great car out of the gates (2010, 2017, 2018) but being outdevelopped by literally everyone. I wonder what are they doing in the factory.

Only bring a floor? There is a huge amount to gain by getting that right in these new era cars and they have also bought an updated rear wing amongst other small bits. If these work as expected, there will be more confidence that the other parts in the pipeline will work as well for the team and we are only on race 6 of 21.

[RossTheBoss]

Can you provide a replay of the Ferrari bouncing? I could not see bouncing on the onboard during the fastest laps of both Charles and Carlos, again there are clear bumps at the end of the straight and what you are seeing there is not proposing and its quite minor to boot.
This. I haven't seen any porpoising to speak of. The car is obviously going to hit the bumps, just like Red Bull does.

Italian media gets ahead of what Ferrari are working on, and confuses it with what they intend to bring. It's happened several times.

[tifosi1993]

Ok, so we AGAIN decided to pospone some upgrades to later date acting like we are ahead by half a second and only bring a floor which should have solve the porpoising and it didn't work... still bouncing. This should have been the BIG upgrade after being basically the only team not developing the car at all since now. It's still the same song... making a great car out of the gates (2010, 2017, 2018) but being outdevelopped by literally everyone. I wonder what are they doing in the factory.

Porpoising!? I didn't see any violent bouncing. The track is bumpy and 2022 cars have stiffer suspension.

Maybe use your head more and talk less.

[Grimlock]

I don't see any porpoising here.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzpeCffBms1WuBBBo3CLPp-SxtxH6_ON

[tifosi1993]

FP1:

C. LECLERC: 22.391 -- 29.929 -- 27.508 -- 1:19.828 -- 325

C. SAINZ: 22.423 -- 30.043 -- 27.441 -- 1:19.907 -- 321

M. Verstappen: 22.289 -- 30.034 -- 27.663 -- 1:20.164 -- 324

G. Russell: 22.509 -- 30.273 -- 27.770 -- 1:20.590 -- 324

F. Alonso: 22.532 -- 30.272 -- 27.964 -- 1:20.768 -- 319

L. Hamilton: 22.526 -- 30.222 -- 27.875 -- 1:20.811 -- 316

L. Norris: 22.819 -- 30.523 -- 27.882 -- 1:21.279 -- 316

P. Gasly: 22.628 -- 30.601 -- 28.060 -- 1:21.422 -- 322

D. Ricciardo: 22.848 -- 30.612 -- 28.199 -- 1:21.737 -- 316

Y. Tsunoda: 22.676 -- 30.782 -- 28.317 -- 1:21.814 -- 322

E. Ocon: 22.858 -- 30.728 -- 28.305 -- 1:21.891 -- 318

L. Stroll: 22.996 -- 30.781 -- 28.122 -- 1:21.920 -- 316

R. Kubica: 22.864 -- 30.849 -- 28.262 -- 1:21.975 -- 317

K. Magnussen: 22.824 -- 31.004 -- 28.261 -- 1:22.089 -- 321

M. Schumacher: 23.021 -- 30.732 -- 28.385 -- 1:22.146 -- 324

S. Vettel: 22.916 -- 30.660 -- 28.588 -- 1:22.164 -- 316

V. Bottas: 23.009 -- 31.174 -- 28.197 -- 1:22.614 -- 324

N. De Vries: 22.966 -- 31.047 -- 28.714 -- 1:22.920 -- 323

N. Latifi: 23.032 -- 31.225 -- 28.754 -- 1:23.011 -- 322

J. Vips: 22.894 -- 31.140 -- 29.160 -- 1:24.138 -- 324

[Kyss4k]

Only bring a floor? There is a huge amount to gain by getting that right in these new era cars and they have also bought an updated rear wing amongst other small bits. If these work as expected, there will be more confidence that the other parts in the pipeline will work as well for the team and we are only on race 6 of 21.

I really don't care how much that floor brings. I was expecting way way more after not touching the car for 2 months. I can't be satisfied by just a little.

[icedeepan]

I really don't care how much that floor brings. I was expecting way way more after not touching the car for 2 months. I can't be satisfied by just a little.

There isnt a need to change whats working well at this stage. Ferrari are doing the right thing by addressing the weaker areas first and a floor/rear wing combo is very logical to solve the porpoising and top speed issues, which limit the top performance range of the car and then focus on taking the things working well to the next level (sidepods, PU)

[PURE PASSION]

I really don't care how much that floor brings. I was expecting way way more after not touching the car for 2 months. I can't be satisfied by just a little.

Sorry mate, but this isn't a quantity competition its about results. The team has a plan . As I always say THIS is FERRARI. This is how the team works and this what they can achieve. If you don't like it then clearly you don't like THIS TEAM!!! You and some others might find another ream that suits your own standards!!!

[WS6TransAm01]

I really don't care how much that floor brings. I was expecting way way more after not touching the car for 2 months. I can't be satisfied by just a little.

I agree. They held off on these updates while losing three races and for what? Only to be on par with RBR? That's unacceptable.

Max's lap was heavily compromised, for all we know he could still be 1-2 tenths ahead.

Why does this always have to be a constant with Ferrari? Late updates which underdeliver? Why!?

[Silent Bob]

I really don't care how much that floor brings. I was expecting way way more after not touching the car for 2 months. I can't be satisfied by just a little.

Does it matter more the quantity of what they bring or the quality? If a new floor and the new rear wing brings us 4/10ths and puts us clear of Red Bull will you still be disappointed?

[Kyss4k]

Sorry mate, but this isn't a quantity competition its about results. The team has a plan . As I always say THIS is FERRARI. This is how the team works and this what they can achieve. If you don't like it then clearly you don't like THIS TEAM!!! You and some others might find another ream that suits your own standards!!!

Ok so that porpoising that you could clearly see at 53:50 in FP1 is a great quality working floor which is above quantity. Right. No... I love Ferrari, I love the brand. I hate the how we are losing in the development race year after year. If anyone likes that, I am sorry, but you are crazy. Or you like losing, take a pick. I live to win.

[Kyss4k]

Does it matter more the quantity of what they bring or the quality? If a new floor and the new rear wing brings us 4/10ths and puts us clear of Red Bull will you still be disappointed?

I still saw the car porpoise 53:50 it's clearly visible, so where is the quality?

[Silent Bob]

I agree. They held off on these updates while losing three races and for what? Only to be on par with RBR? That's unacceptable.

Max's lap was heavily compromised, for all we know he could still be 1-2 tenths ahead.

Why does this always have to be a constant with Ferrari? Late updates which underdeliver? Why!?

How do we know they underdeliver? Leclerc had best top speed is that good? It's only FP1 and obviously the PU's are turned down.

[PURE PASSION]

Again,we your standards Ferrari clearly is not enough (because as you(plural) say they are bad decades now.
So why you keep support a team that you dislike 9 out 10 thing's the do????!!!!! I really can't understand what do you expect?? To be a Merc of the years before?? OK and if they don't, what?? You are just keep moaning for ever ??? You are mentally OK with this????I'm asking this ,because myself if I ever start feeling this bad for the team ,I will definitely stop supporting them simply because clearly I will not like this team any more !!!!!!
It's one thing to feel bad about teams bad results/ choices and another to say speak so dad about them and talking like the are the worst team ever !!!

[icedeepan]

I still saw the car porpoise 53:50 it's clearly visible, so where is the quality?

FP1 mate. Only see the real results post all the setup optimisation tonight.

[faloupas]

Ok so that porpoising that you could clearly see at 53:50 in FP1 is a great quality working floor which is above quantity. Right. No... I love Ferrari, I love the brand. I hate the how we are losing in the development race year after year. If anyone likes that, I am sorry, but you are crazy. Or you like losing, take a pick. I live to win.

You are in my mind my friend!I feel the same!
I want Ferrari to be ahead as Mercedes used to be! Mediocrity is not for Ferrari!Ok we support the team but we say what we see!
Where is the big upgrade package people?

[stefa]

I don't see any porpoising here.
[video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzpeCffBms1WuBBBo3CLPp-SxtxH6_ON[/url]

Smooth as maglev!

[Grimlock]

Ok so that porpoising that you could clearly see at 53:50 in FP1 is a great quality working floor which is above quantity. Right. No... I love Ferrari, I love the brand. I hate the how we are losing in the development race year after year. If anyone likes that, I am sorry, but you are crazy. Or you like losing, take a pick. I live to win.

There is no proposing there, that's just bumps.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BAWPpaO_5FycKZeXYMIMjmbd1_fP94pk

[PURE PASSION]

Ok so that porpoising that you could clearly see at 53:50 in FP1 is a great quality working floor which is above quantity. Right. No... I love Ferrari, I love the brand. I hate the how we are losing in the development race year after year. If anyone likes that, I am sorry, but you are crazy. Or you like losing, take a pick. I live to win.
You are not love the team ,but the badge . Again I tell you, THIS IS TEAM SCUDERIA FERRARI , not Newey not Mercedes ,but BINOTTO Nad his team and THEY act like this. Is this good enough for you ,clearly NOT.
You say you want to win all the time and this are not .So leave and come back when / if we start winning constantly!!!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.ibb.co/0BpDWYT/Screenshot-2022-05-20-193230-cropped-gigapixel.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/wcgkQDW/Screenshot-2022-05-20-193308-cropped-gigapixel.jpg

[JChan]

blame the engineer, stop arguing with each other, let us support our team... we as a fan is arguing one another about this and that, how much more in the ferrari team you think there are not arguing with each other? we as a fan we are not in their shoes that what we have in our mind as a fan is easily adapted in the factory. it is easy to watch and complained.

[aroutis]

Clueless comments by clueless glory hunter people who think that being a tifoso is about waving the flag and cheering over victories...

Sorry to burst your bubble but this was just FP1, noone knows what variables those tests were used, if all the available components were used , and/or why, to begin with.
You (yes, you, you know who I am talking bout), don't even wait for the chequered flag to fall before complaining.

This never gets old, but it definitely gets toxic.

[Jax]

Porpoising!? I didn't see any violent bouncing. The track is bumpy and 2022 cars have stiffer suspension.

Maybe use your head more and talk less.

but charles was not running the new floor only Sainz was , am i wrong ?

[PURE PASSION]

#FP1 vel max

VER 323 km/h
RUS 320 km/h
SAI 323 km/h
LEC 327 km/h

@formu1a__uno #F1 #SpanishGP

[tifosi1993]

Clueless comments by clueless glory hunter people who think that being a tifoso is about waving the flag and cheering over victories...

Sorry to burst your bubble but this was just FP1, noone knows what variables those tests were used, if all the available components were used , and/or why, to begin with.
You (yes, you, you know who I am talking bout), don't even wait for the chequered flag to fall before complaining.

This never gets old, but it definitely gets toxic.

+1. We're 1-2 but still the usual suspects can't help themselves. It get's frustrating reading all of these mindless ramblings.

[tifosi1993]

but charles was not running the new floor only Sainz was , am i wrong ?

Both used the new floor.

https://i.postimg.cc/1mL4C6JH/XZISAWSDWADo.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5fHT1C3v/PODG-PIOIO.jpg

[WS6TransAm01]

How do we know they underdeliver? Leclerc had best top speed is that good? It's only FP1 and obviously the PU's are turned down.

I agree, we don't know for sure. But with Max hitting a butt ton of traffic in S3 on his lap and being "only" .336s behind... as the Magic 8-Ball would say "ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES"

We shall see tho.

Personally, after holding off updates and getting handed a big L for three races, these updates should have been "revolutionary", they don't seem to be. I don't Charles being several tenths up on Max. At best they delayed introducing updates only to be on par.

[jgonzalesm6]

Clueless comments by clueless glory hunter people who think that being a tifoso is about waving the flag and cheering over victories...

Sorry to burst your bubble but this was just FP1, noone knows what variables those tests were used, if all the available components were used , and/or why, to begin with.
You (yes, you, you know who I am talking bout), don't even wait for the chequered flag to fall before complaining.

This never gets old, but it definitely gets toxic.

+16 +55

Amazing what people can extrapolate during a free practice.

[aroutis]

I agree, we don't know for sure. But with Max hitting a butt ton of traffic in S3 on his lap and being "only" .336s behind... as the Magic 8-Ball would say "ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES"

We shall see tho.

Personally, after holding off updates and getting handed a big L for three races, these updates should have been "revolutionary", they don't seem to be. I don't Charles being several tenths up on Max. At best they delayed introducing updates only to be on par.
Comparing apples to potatoes really won't get you anywhere but to a white padded room.
Try to be patient. The safest approach is waiting to end of the race.

[Ferrarichamp]

Alonso P5. Alpine looking for glory runs?

[WS6TransAm01]

Comparing apples to potatoes really won't get you anywhere but to a white padded room.
Try to be patient. The safest approach is waiting to end of the race.

That's fair.

[458 Italia]

Sky trying to downplay the Red Bull/Aston Martin thing, anything to defend their favourite teams.

If this was Ferrari and Haas the attitude would be different.

[jgonzalesm6]

Sky trying to downplay the Red Bull/Aston Martin thing, anything to defend their favourite teams.

If this was Ferrari and Haas the attitude would be different.

RedBull are looking at options.

[458 Italia]

That Alfa always seems to have issues.

[Liscia]

+16 +55

Amazing what people can extrapolate during a free practice.

Rather tedious how the usual Debbie Downers are so optimistic and omniscient. Let's try to ignore them and
observe how the team goes about their business! FORZA FERRARI!!!

[Silent Bob]

https://i.ibb.co/0BpDWYT/Screenshot-2022-05-20-193230-cropped-gigapixel.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/wcgkQDW/Screenshot-2022-05-20-193308-cropped-gigapixel.jpg

Only Sainz with new wing?

[PURE PASSION]

Good laps on mediums, with Lec hitting traffic (but not sure how much it cost him)and a few mistakes.

[PURE PASSION]

Slower on the 2nd run and nothing special on S3!!!!:Hmm

[Grimlock]

Charles 0.3s up on Carlos and Max ... all had clean laps. The updates are working IMHO.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles' lap looked super strong. The traction and shortshift out of the hairpin was really good.

[FerrariF60]

Charles 0.3s up on Carlos and Max ... all had clean laps. The updates are working IMHO.

...AND we're running the friday PU1 engine....so there is still more power to come....but so far we're looking OK

[FerrariF60]

any free links for FP2??

[PURE PASSION]

Russell P2 1 tenth behing Lec ,and Alo 5 tenths behind!!!!
Are we and Redbull running more conservative??

[458 Italia]

It's annoying that merc are looking stronger. I wanted them to suffer for a very long time.

[ferrari1.8t]

It's annoying that merc are looking stronger. I wanted them to suffer for a very long time.

Same, we all deserve years of merc suffering in the mid-field. :-s

[Ferrarichamp]

they must have turned up the engine on Alonso's car.

[Grimlock]

Hard to read anything, but remember that Russel was fastest in FP2 in Miami only to not make it out of Q2.

[Tifoso Svedese]

1) this is a track more suitable for Mercedes in general due to the lack of straights taking over the track. Being down on power doesn't mean that much here.
2) we're running very conservatively. Still slower than the fastest time recorded during testing.
3) Mercedes did glory runs at Imola and Miami.

We'll see what happens but I think both our guys have them covered this weekend.

[Grimlock]

Long run time

[FerrariF60]

Russell P2 1 tenth behing Lec ,and Alo 5 tenths behind!!!!
Are we and Redbull running more conservative??

we and prolly red bull sure are.....i mean unless all of a sudden the Merc tractor found some serious pace with their upgrades....which is probably unlikely....

but yeah, NO ONE is really showing their hand yet....only russel and alo doing some glory runs probably

[Kyss4k]

On race pace we are not keeping up with Red Bull and are even somehow with Mercedes.

[PURE PASSION]

Can Anyone have the times on race pace??!!
Unfortunately Sainz reported high degradation!!!!

[Kyss4k]

Can Anyone have the times on race pace??!!
Unfortunately Sainz reported high degradation!!!!

I don't have times, but Charles started quite even on pace with Verstappen (little bit slower actually) and now, after 7 laps, he is like 8 tenths slower.

[458 Italia]

How are merc the fastest on the straights!?

[PURE PASSION]

Yeh ,it looks like we are in trouble with the tires!!!!!

[Kyss4k]

Last lap (lap 8 of race stint)

Leclerc 1:26.8
Verstappen 1:26.1

[Kyss4k]

How are merc the fastest on the straights!?

An actual upgrades.

[fratelliferrari]

Really sad to hear we are troubling with race pace/tyre degredation. I was really hoping this update would bring us in front again…

[RossTheBoss]

An actual upgrades.
Or, hey, maybe just maybe, they're glory running like Miami.

We have no idea the different variables behind the runs, and until Q3, there's no way to know for sure who's doing what, and what can be trusted.

[Aziz]

Abysmal tire degradation, even Merc is faster

[FerrariF60]

Really sad to hear we are troubling with race pace/tyre degredation. I was really hoping this update would bring us in front again…

I wouldn't read too much into it; Ferrari will analyze the data and make changes to set up so that we dont' chew up the tires as much...FP3 will tell us the bigger picture

[FerrariF60]

Abysmal tire degradation, even Merc is faster

LOL....

[Kyss4k]

Or, hey, maybe just maybe, they're glory running like Miami.

We have no idea the different variables behind the runs, and until Q3, there's no way to know for sure who's doing what, and what can be trusted.

They have 0 porpoising, they are fast not only on 1 lap pace, but even in race pace, so no glory running here. There is no reason to glory run the race pace test.

[RossTheBoss]

Really sad to hear we are troubling with race pace/tyre degredation. I was really hoping this update would bring us in front again…
Good god, some people just don't know how to not doom.

It's practice, ffs.

[Grimlock]

On race pace we are not keeping up with Red Bull and are even somehow with Mercedes.

Hard to tell, the tires were not the same age. Charles was way deeper into his stint than Max, Carlos was more comparable once he switched to the mediums, and Charles was way faster once he did his switch.

[Aziz]

LOL....

What is so funny?

[Aziz]

Good god, some people just don't know how to not doom.

It's practice, ffs.

It was practice I'm Mami as well, with the same picture as know

[Tifoso Svedese]

Fuel loads and how aggressively you run the ERS may differ during the race test. If you stay in low deployment mode to save the battery compared to the medium one it will mean a few tenths by default. I find it very hard to believe we'd be 0.6 s off in race trim on identical fuel loads when our main strengths are in S2 and S3. If you run the car 5-10 laps lighter it also helps a lot with combating degradation.

Either way, maybe three stops could be an option on Sunday due to the relatively short delta for a pit stop loss here? Committing to it before the race would make it a lot easier to pull off.

[RossTheBoss]

They have 0 porpoising, they are fast not only on 1 lap pace, but even in race pace, so no glory running here. There is no reason to glory run the race pace test.
They didn't porpoise in Miami FP1 either.

We also had zero porpoising, but because you're addicted to dooming you see every bump we hit as evidence the season is over.

[tifosi1993]

Long run pace needs some work. But I'm sure Ferrari will get on top of it. Tyres didn't look too bad considering they had already done more than 20 laps on them.

Sunday is going to be 2 stopper.

[RossTheBoss]

Long run pace needs some work. But I'm sure Ferrari will get on top of it. Tyres didn't look too bad considering they had already done more than 20 laps on them.

Sunday is going to be 2 stopper.
Probably.

Max also complained of degradations, even with his seemingly better pace. We just don't know everyones fuel and engine modes, and what part of a stint they were practicing for.

Some fans just get too worked up over practice and testing and doom, doom, doom if we're not glory running.

[tifosi1993]

FP2:

C. LECLERC: 22.389 -- 29.662 -- 27.619 -- 1:19.670 -- 317

G. Russell: 22.404 -- 29.763 -- 27.620 -- 1:19.787 -- 319

L. Hamilton: 22.349 -- 29.829 -- 27.696 -- 1:19.874 -- 318

C. SAINZ: 22.491 -- 29.876 -- 27.623 -- 1:19.990 -- 317

M. Verstappen: 22.317 -- 29.956 -- 27.589 -- 1:20.006 -- 321

F. Alonso: 22.356 -- 30.019 -- 27.828 -- 1:20.203 -- 317

S. Perez: 22.446 -- 30.225 -- 27.836 -- 1:20.632 -- 322

S. Vettel: 22.665 -- 30.102 -- 27.936 -- 1:20.703 -- 314

E. Ocon: 22.520 -- 30.427 -- 27.798 -- 1:20.745 -- 316

M. Schumacher: 22.614 -- 30.301 -- 27.842 -- 1:20.757 -- 319

P. Gasly: 22.630 -- 30.276 -- 28.011 -- 1:20.917 -- 318

K. Magnussen: 22.595 -- 30.147 -- 28.221 -- 1:21.013 -- 318

L. Stroll: 22.752 -- 30.556 -- 27.917 -- 1:21.249 -- 315

Y. Tsunoda: 22.680 -- 30.449 -- 28.156 -- 1:21.285 -- 324

D. Ricciardo: 22.896 -- 30.406 -- 28.083 -- 1:21.385 -- 312

V. Bottas: 22.912 -- 30.885 -- 28.031 -- 1:21.828 -- 310

G. Zhou: 22.827 -- 30.773 -- 28.200 -- 1:21.866 -- 314

A. Albon: 22.784 -- 30.949 -- 28.586 -- 1:22.319 -- 321

N. Latifi: 23.047 -- 31.236 -- 28.756 -- 1:23.197 -- 322

L. Norris: 22.807 -- 31.552 -- 28.914 -- 1:23.388 -- 308

[Grimlock]

Probably.

Max also complained of degradations, even with his seemingly better pace. We just don't know everyones fuel and engine modes, and what part of a stint they were practicing for.

Some fans just get too worked up over practice and testing and doom, doom, doom if we're not glory running.

Max was also on fresher tires because both Ferraris went out quite earlier than he did. Same with Merc they were out on fresher tires, I specifically looked at the times posted by Carlos after he switched to mediums and compared them with Max and he was faster and by the amount you would expect with degenration. And Charles switched his tires two laps from the end and was 2s faster than Max.

There are just too many variables to really know what the relative pace is, as tire age is just once factor as many of us keep pointing out. But it seems some just like being negative just to be negative.

[Kyss4k]

Hard to tell, the tires were not the same age. Charles was way deeper into his stint than Max, Carlos was more comparable once he switched to the mediums, and Charles was way faster once he did his switch.

No he wasn't. They came out of the pits at the exact same time.

[tifosi1993]

Probably.

Max also complained of degradations, even with his seemingly better pace. We just don't know everyones fuel and engine modes, and what part of a stint they were practicing for.

Some fans just get too worked up over practice and testing and doom, doom, doom if we're not glory running.

Not probably, tyre wear can definitely be improved with setup. This is what practice is for, to learn and adapt the setup.

But I get you, some people are pushing seemingly deliberate negativity here, nothing but low effort trolling.

[Grimlock]

No he wasn't. They came out of the pits at the exact same time.

Yep, just re-watched it and you are right.

[samboozik]

No he wasn't. They came out of the pits at the exact same time.

Charles started his stint on 9 laps old tires, don't know about verstappen.

[Kyss4k]

They didn't porpoise in Miami FP1 either.

We also had zero porpoising, but because you're addicted to dooming you see every bump we hit as evidence the season is over.

You are so good in judging peoples character from an online discussion. I am striving for perfection and I am sorry for you, that you satisfy with mediocracy. We had some porpoising. We didn't solve it 100% but watching the cars would be too much to ask from you clearly. Even during the broadcast they mentioned and noticed Ferrari porpoising. Yet you are acting totally blinded. Did you see the race pace? We were nowhere compared to Red Bull, that's fine for you? Ok, what a fan you are being fine with us losing ground to our competitors.

[Kyss4k]

Charles started his stint on 9 laps old tires, don't know about verstappen.

They all started the race pace on tyres from the start of the session.

[Grimlock]

Charles started his stint on 9 laps old tires, don't know about verstappen.

4 or 5 depending on if you count the out lap

[patrese86]

We do seem to be having issues with tyre deg lately, hopefully we can make some changes for tomorrow. It's a shame as we look brilliant over one lap.

[RossTheBoss]

You are so good in judging peoples character from an online discussion. I am striving for perfection and I am sorry for you, that you satisfy with mediocracy. We had some porpoising. We didn't solve it 100% but watching the cars would be too much to ask from you clearly. Even during the broadcast they mentioned and noticed Ferrari porpoising. Yet you are acting totally blinded. Did you see the race pace? We were nowhere compared to Red Bull, that's fine for you? Ok, what a fan you are being fine with us losing ground to our competitors.
What broadcast? I didn't hear it and I didn't see it. Of course, you'll see whether it's there or not, because you're going to drive yourself crazy if we're not 1 second faster in every single session.

Yeah, I want everything to be perfect, too. I miss the Schumacher and Brawn machine. But it's gone and recreating it is near impossible, if that can even be done.

Look, I agree that the upgrade has a lot to prove. Binnoto has been taking **** for long enough, and it's time to produce. If we struggle on Saturday or Sunday, I'll be right here with you, demanding that heads roll. But I'm not going to go there until the development team prove that they've failed. Sunday is the last chance for me.

[PURE PASSION]

You are so good in judging peoples character from an online discussion. I am striving for perfection and I am sorry for you, that you satisfy with mediocracy. We had some porpoising. We didn't solve it 100% but watching the cars would be too much to ask from you clearly. Even during the broadcast they mentioned and noticed Ferrari porpoising. Yet you are acting totally blinded. Did you see the race pace? We were nowhere compared to Red Bull, that's fine for you? Ok, what a fan you are being fine with us losing ground to our competitors.

Why do you think that because we are not cry all the time and try to see some positive things ,we are satisfied with not winning??!!!! What do you accomplish being so negative?? Do you make the team better ??? Do they hear you ???? You are just being annoyingly nagger!!!!!

[Wuzo]

Did we have any upgrades brought?

[PURE PASSION]

Depends who you ask.

[tifosi1993]

Man these negative nancy's are annoying, as if they've already seen the future.

Ferrari have gained lots of data from today's long run. Which will help them to adapt the setup and mitigate the tyre wear.

[jgonzalesm6]

Did we have any upgrades brought?

"Welcome to da party pal!!!!"

[tifosi1993]

Did we have any upgrades brought?

1. New floor.

2. New high DF RW.

3. New winglets.

[wisepie]

Not sure what to conclude from the FP1/2 sessions but tyre deg once again seems to be a problem, didn't see too much porpoising but it's definitely still there. Not good to see Merc showing better performance, either. Hope the team can sort the tyre issues with set-up changes and not lose any speed, and criticism of upgrades is hopefully premature.:roll

[SS454]

Definitely not the huge update everyone suggested it would be. The rear wing isn't entirely a car upgrade vs a track/downforce package brought for this race. The upper element (DRS flap) looks to be a significantly different profile which should provide better DRS performance, but I don't consider that to be a huge improvement for Ferrari since they should be fast enough to lead the race and not even have access to DRS. :D

The floor can be a big update, but we just visually can't see how much detail went into it. The evidence suggests the car is MUCH better with the porpoising, I didn't detect anything. I think this could have a measurable difference in speed above 310 kph, as so far on the telemetries, Ferrari stalls out while the RBR doesn't. It shouldn't make a big diff in lap time, but it can be important for passing or defending against passing. More importantly, if the car can be run lower to the ground and get more downforce. That could result in big gains in lap time.

Was expecting some changes in the front wing or with their modular nose design, but nadda. Nothing on their sidepods either.

We will see Saturday where the car stands. Even without the updates I would think it was a pole contender. Race pace, it will come down to tire wear IMO.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527682572167401478?t=gelmoI7MYKiBCu1EVZlBPA&s=19

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527679276555849730?t=nYyZT22DfBe3MJe9nCjKUQ&s=19

[PURE PASSION]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527682572167401478?t=gelmoI7MYKiBCu1EVZlBPA&s=19

Yeh ,it was obvious, unfortunately!!!!
Let's see if we find something till Sunday!!!

[Tony]

Just a thought... I'm assuming that the cap is a fixed level that isn't adjusted depending on where you finished in the standings. However the farther back you finish does give you more windtunnel and CFD time. If Ferrari has used more of this time to test concepts than Red Bull, that would mean they have less budget to spend on developments than Red Bull, which is not good.

Also it seems Ferrari is faster on softs but Red Bull is faster on mediums.

I was watching the onboards and there was a lot of porpoising on the Ferrari vs everyone else except Mercedes and McLaren in FP1 and less of it in FP2, did they install the floor only in FP2?

[FerrariF60]

What is so funny?

that you think Merc is faster....probably running on fumes and HIGH engine mode....lmao

[alfaromeo]

Friday Miami Russell has been the fastest man, then come Saturday and what happens.1s slower than Ferrari and Red Bull. Who believe that Mercedes is now faster than Ferrari….:rotfl. Quali Ferrari will be 1-2 race fight with verstapen..

[RossTheBoss]

Just a thought... I'm assuming that the cap is a fixed level that isn't adjusted depending on where you finished in the standings. However the farther back you finish does give you more windtunnel and CFD time. If Ferrari has used more of this time to test concepts than Red Bull, that would mean they have less budget to spend on developments than Red Bull, which is not good.

Also it seems Ferrari is faster on softs but Red Bull is faster on mediums.

I was watching the onboards and there was a lot of porpoising on the Ferrari vs everyone else except Mercedes and McLaren in FP1 and less of it in FP2, did they install the floor only in FP2?
I seriously doubt Ferrari have eaten their budget that much. More likely, the explanation for why the updates have been delayed is that Ferrari, like Mercedes, have not understood (and may still not) understand why their car porpoises, particularly at top speed. I think the team wanted to exploit the different setups to see if they could mitigate the problem without the need for any expensive updates, and they might also have assumed that it would take Red Bull longer to solve their downforce and reliability issues, than it would be for them to solve their porpoising and straight line issues, and so there wasn't a need to bring updates to the track to try on at least one of the cars. They were wrong to believe that.

[stefa]

I've been way too long watching F1 and I know this is only Friday, but I am little bit nervous....

[Aziz]

I've been way too long watching F1 and I know this is only Friday, but I am little bit nervous....

Yeah me too, this Friday resemble last race Friday, the tire problem was visible in Miami FP as well

[nani_s23]

I've been way too long watching F1 and I know this is only Friday, but I am little bit nervous....

Me too worried about Tyre Deg. I’m surprised to see how we started & now we are having tyre issues all again. It resembles like 2019, where we had good quali pace but race pace was horrible car was eating those tyres like anything

[nani_s23]

We had tyre issues Since Imola… continued with Miami… now Barcelona.

Mattia :pray please focus on car development, rather than to stop RB from developing their car.

[Aziz]

Just watch a quick interview with Lec, he said the tires are falling apart :-E

So we can forget the "lol it's just FP" talk

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari: There is no concern, because the car has shown great potential
At the end of the second hour of free practice, Ferrari did not show great concern; there was the awareness that, with the introduction of such an important package of changes, something might not go in the right direction with some extra work after FP2, therefore estimated. Most importantly, however, the novelty package brought to the track appears to have worked. “ The updates have worked

[RossTheBoss]

Ferrari: There is no concern, because the car has shown great potential
At the end of the second hour of free practice, Ferrari did not show great concern; there was the awareness that, with the introduction of such an important package of changes, something might not go in the right direction with some extra work after FP2, therefore estimated. Most importantly, however, the novelty package brought to the track appears to have worked. “ The updates have worked
What's this from?

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527743836591726592?t=xwn64Q2RudF7AGjy16V8Bg&s=19

[paolo lalli]

All teams need to be careful with updates if they work thats great and if they do not then its money down the drain from the budget cap.Ferrari have bought foward major upgrades for the sf75 for sure there is tweaking to be done to find the sweet spot, this is what tests a teams engineers under pressure simulators and windtunnels are one thing but the track and the environment on the day is a whole new beast, mother nature plays a massive part in performance and race outcomes, as always expect the unexpected.

[Gilles]

The rear wing seems to work (straight speed and load)
The floor seems to work, as they ran the car lower and had less porpoising than before (no porpoising is impossible in reality, the goal is to control it as much as possible)
They did a lot of evaluations to later try things in the simulator
Leclerc didn't find balance despite many setting corections, suffering from very bad tire wear too
Let's see tomorrow

[From Treviso]

The team (through Laurent Mekies) is not worried about the tyre deg as this was due to an aggressive setup, which Ferrari already has ideas on how to improve.
https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1527743836591726592?t=xwn64Q2RudF7AGjy16V8Bg&s=19

[Wuzo]

Toto and Lewis were very happy. I can see Merc taking points from us. They have their top speed back. Looking bad :(

[Wuzo]

Friday Miami Russell has been the fastest man, then come Saturday and what happens.1s slower than Ferrari and Red Bull. Who believe that Mercedes is now faster than Ferrari….:rotfl. Quali Ferrari will be 1-2 race fight with verstapen..

They did not bring big upgrades in Miami - even Merc admitted they had no idea why they were fast. Dont laugh at their speed this weeks FP. They are back. It the first time I have seen Lewis smile this year. He said he is 'super happy'. Not a comment you here from someone who likes to down play everything.

[aroutis]

Toto and Lewis were very happy. I can see Merc taking points from us. They have their top speed back. Looking bad :(

Team is not worried.

[nani_s23]

The rear wing seems to work (straight speed and load)
The floor seems to work, as they ran the car lower and had less porpoising than before (no porpoising is impossible in reality, the goal is to control it as much as possible)
They did a lot of evaluations to later try things in the simulator
Leclerc didn't find balance despite many setting cortections, suffering from very bad tire wear too
Let's see tomorrow

LMekies was saying FP1 & FP2 are two different set ups.

FP1 set up was good, we had good race pace & tyre deg under control, FP2 was wrong set up for race pace. Hopefully they will come back with good balance to counter Tyre Deg. We need good race car. That’s where Max has the edge currently & he’s able to attack from behind.

[Gilles]

Yes, and for the first time this year, RB is using more downforce than us. Maybe we need to add some more now that we've improved the drag a bit

[Warp]

Helmut Marko makes prediction: 'Red Bull, then Mercedes, then Ferrari'

[Galvonero]

Helmut Marko makes prediction: 'Red Bull, then Mercedes, then Ferrari'

That's Marko playing mind games, typical of him. I would not bother with him...

[nani_s23]

Chassis change for Carlos Sainz after yesterday (also for Lando)!

@F1

[paolo lalli]

Marko is an idiot, he is talking nonsense he is more concerned about mercedes but then all teams should be, simply put they are way to big of an organisation to fail, and when they come back we will all more than know it.

[nani_s23]

Chassis change for Carlos Sainz after yesterday (also for Lando)!

@F1

Due to fuel system issue.

[alfaromeo]

They did not bring big upgrades in Miami - even Merc admitted they had no idea why they were fast. Dont laugh at their speed this weeks FP. They are back. It the first time I have seen Lewis smile this year. He said he is 'super happy'. Not a comment you here from someone who likes to down play everything.

If anyone believed that Mercedes would drive 1s for Ferrari and Red Bull all season then they haven’t watched Formula 1 in the last 8 years. Anyway, they made progress with Mercedes. And they may already have the fastest car by the end of the season. Today, the third training session will actually show where Mercedes stands.

[nani_s23]

Laurent Mekies on team orders for Ferrari:

“It’s still too early to place team orders between Charles and Carlos.”

“The car suits Carlos less, but nevertheless he’s reached the podium a few times. We have to give him time to adapt, and develop the car in his direction.”

[nani_s23]

Laurent Amelie’s: It’s still early days for this upgrade package. We’re taking our time to understand it and adapt the setup as best as possible. We’ll continue experimenting with the setup in FP3

[458 Italia]

Haas put a mechanic in front of Mick's car which had brake problems and got hit/nearly got hit. Madness.

[458 Italia]

hamilton doesn't want to know his gap to his teammate only the gap overall :rotfl

[patrese86]

hamilton doesn't want to know his gap to his teammate only the gap overall :rotfl
He'll be in for a shock when he realises he's half a second down in S2

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton is over-rated.

[ferrari1.8t]

Hamilton is over-rated.

I’ve been saying it for years, zero competition, a rocket ship and constant help from the FIA is the only reason he is a champion. Glad the rest of the world is finally starting to see it….

Via motorsport:

“That's an impressive time from Russell. It's almost exactly a second faster than team-mate Hamilton, who is back in the pits. Can the world champion close that gap?”

[PURE PASSION]

Anyone watch the times on our long runs ???

[alfaromeo]

Pol will be under 1.19 I think

[jgonzalesm6]

I got a feeling we're going to witness a psuedo-Spygate 2.0 between RedBull and Aston Martin this season.

[tifosi1993]

Very strong long run pace.

[nani_s23]

Very strong long run pace.

By the looks they have sacrificed straight line speed & very strong in S2&S3?

Long run pace of both drivers (Lec & Sainz)?

[PURE PASSION]

Very strong long run pace.

consistent ??

[stefa]

CS is just No 2 driver

[tifosi1993]

Both Ferrari's did long run stint at the end of FP3. Charles looked very strong, Carlos not so much. Both were on softs.

LEC:

1:24.605
1:24.974
1:25.108
1:25.162
1:25.747
1:25.795
1:25.705
1:25.782
X
1:25.366
1:25.905


SAI:

1:25.137
1:25.365
1:25.206
1:25.361
1:25.663
1:25.772
1:26.005
1:26.566
1:26.842

[Tifoso Svedese]

The long-run times should be good and I reckon some DF has been added overnight. Looks like Mercedes have taken a runner for one-lap speed with Turn 3 being easy flat in qualifying trim no matter the settings so you can trim the wings off. It's sort of roles reversed from last year between us and them - we could trim off and run close over one lap on less power-demanding circuits.

[alfaromeo]

Charles sets a 1:25.366 on 11 lap used softs.

[Grimlock]

Very strong long run pace.

Yep the tires look quite good on the inlap. Its funny how F1 TV commentary are hyping up how close RedBull and Merc got to Charles's time while they did it way later in the session, so suddenly track evolution is not a thing.

[PURE PASSION]

Both Ferrari's did long run stint at the end of FP3. Charles looked very strong, Carlos not so much. Both were on softs.

LEC:

1:24.605
1:24.974
1:25.108
1:25.162
1:25.747
1:25.795
1:25.705
1:25.782
X
1:25.366
1:25.905


SAI:

1:25.137
1:25.365
1:25.206
1:25.361
1:25.663
1:25.772
1:26.005
1:26.566
1:26.842

looks quite good !!! Hope we found a good set up !!!!

[farid-baku]

Long stint Lecler started with used Softs 3 laps
Lap 11 - 1:24:605
Lap 12 - 1:24:974
Lap 13 - 1:25: 108
Lap 14 - 1:25: 162
Lap 15- 1:25: 747
Lap 16 - 1:25: 795
Lap 17 - 1:25:705
Lap 18 - 1:25:782
Lap 19- 1:25:----
Lap 20 - 1:25: 366
Lap 21 - 1:25: 905
Session ended

[ntukza]

By the looks they have sacrificed straight line speed & very strong in S2&S3?

Long run pace of both drivers (Lec & Sainz)?

Same old same old then, with RB hunting us down on the straights?

[ntukza]

I was hoping our upgrades would save us from having to sacrifice straight line speed. Anyone know in what areas exactly the upgrades have improved the performance?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Same old same old then, with RB hunting us down on the straights?

If you have track position and good tyre wear, the straights aren't a big factor in Barcelona. Especially since the car comes out like a rocket from the last chicane and gains metres before they catch up. On the tracks we've lost the races at, straights more or less take over the lap and override the corners. So long as the DRS update helps the car in that sense it's all good. Mercedes don't have the HP to be that close in places where the straights are more prolific. They've just trimmed down the wings and use their natural corner speed to get away with it on short runs.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.postimg.cc/NYtKstfg/Screenshot-2022-05-21-182216.jpg

[stefa]

Again CL is the slowest on finish line

[PURE PASSION]

Again CL is the slowest on finish line

3-4 km is NOTHING ,especialy if we keep having good traction out of the S !!

[PURE PASSION]

Looks like Ferrari has some pace in hand for qualifying. Leclerc & Sainz ran their quali sims very early in FP3. GPS data suggests both Ferrari used lower engine modes compared to Mercedes & Red Bull.

#AMuS #F1 #SpanishGP

[stefa]

3-4 km is NOTHING ,especialy if we keep having good traction out of the S !!

Hopefuly