2022 Spanish Grand Prix - Race Thread

[samboozik]

Pole position number 13 in his career, he was bound to have some bad luck.

[Noquarter]

Hopefully Ferrari will get rid of Sainz after this season.

[MSC Fan]

Okay, what the hell is Hamilton doing on the tail of Sainz? How did Mercedes get so quick?

[Ferrarichamp]

Pole position number 13 in his career, he was bound to have some bad luck.

if you believe in that sort of thing.

[JChan]

Hopefully Ferrari will get rid of Sainz after this season.

he just got a 2 years extension

[Aziz]

Leclerc was the fastest man on track even on the first stint. What's wrong with saying that ?

We can say what we want, but Max won 3 race in a row and that's a fact, we lost 40 point lead in 3 races, but yeah, we are the fastest, yeahhhh so happy

[WS6TransAm01]

I’m out.

Two Chains passes Carlos and I’m done.

[faloupas]

We can say what we want, but Max won 3 race in a row and that's a fact, we lost 40 point lead in 3 races, but yeah, we are the fastest, yeahhhh so happy

+1

[ferrari1.8t]

Leclerc was the fastest man on track even on the first stint. What's wrong with saying that ?

Hamilton from P18 catches and passes Carlos…we have the fastest car? That’s just the icing on the cake for me for this disaster of a race. Unbelievable.

[nuni]

Sainz is a useless 2nd driver.

[Kyss4k]

Okay, what the hell is Hamilton doing on the tail of Sainz? How did Mercedes get so quick?

It's Sainz.

[elnano14]

We can say what we want, but Max won 3 race in a row and that's a fact, we lost 40 point lead in 3 races, but yeah, we are the fastest, yeahhhh so happy

So we must are crying and so defeated now instead of hoping for a better future with those upgrades already working
I swear all of you guys are the most negative people I've ever seen

[ferrari1.8t]

It's Sainz.

No, it’s Mercedes developing a turd and finding over a second in 3-4 races.

[elnano14]

Hamilton from P18 catches and passes Carlos…we have the fastest car? That’s just the icing on the cake for me for this disaster of a race. Unbelievable.

I said LECLERC AND F175, not SAINZ AND F175

[Ferrari312T4]

Sainz is indeed useless. How many times did he bin it this year?

[Ferrarichamp]

looking forward to Charles winning in Monaco, and forget this race.

[Aziz]

So we must are crying and so defeated now instead of hoping for a better future with those upgrades already working
I swear all of you guys are the most negative people I've ever seen

Tell me one thing, for how long to you hope we can win the championship?

[nani_s23]

We don’t have straight line speed that’s evident once again. For carlos he doesn’t have anything in S2&S3. Not sure what set up he’s gone for absolutely stupid.

[ferrari1.8t]

looking forward to Charles winning in Monaco, and forget this race.

Unless his Monaco luck continues….the way this year is going I wouldn’t doubt it.

[Schumiklub]

Sainz is useless lately, I followed his pace while Leclerc was still leading, he was miles slower than Leclerc and on the same tyre.

[Aziz]

looking forward to Charles winning in Monaco, and forget this race.

He will probably bin the car in Monaco

[TonyRizza]

I dream of the day when Ferrari has 2 good drivers. Last time was 2007/2008.

[PURE PASSION]

No, it’s Mercedes developing a turd and finding over a second in 3-4 races.

Well it was not the case of adding 1s performance parts , but rather then unlocking 1s of performance that was hidden by their porpoising problems. And it's this race. And it was Sainz. Russell was from 0,5 to 1s slower then Lec

[Aziz]

We don’t have straight line speed that’s evident once again. For carlos he doesn’t have anything in S2&S3. Not sure what set up he’s gone for absolutely stupid.

Yeah and the upgrades are working fine

[drax]

You are really an optimist person, not negative at all

[alfaromeo]

Tires are gone on sainz and i think that engine after leclerk turned down..

[MSC Fan]

Sainz is indeed useless. How many times did he bin it this year?

It's getting hard to defend the guy as someone who supports both Ferrari drivers... He has screwed up in some capacity in half of all race weekends. Binning it in Australia during the GP, spinning in Imola qualifying and now this.

[PURE PASSION]

Tell me one thing, for how long to you hope we can win the championship?

For me firstly a hope for guys like you to leave this place because you think that this team is a disaster.THEN I will deal with my emotions with the team

[jgonzalesm6]

Well it was not the case of adding 1s performance parts , but rather then unlocking 1s of performance that was hidden by their porpoising problems. And it's this race. And it was Sainz. Russell was from 0,5 to 1s slower then Lec

+1

[Noquarter]

Sainz was slow even before his spin. He is useless.

[elnano14]

Yeah and the upgrades are working fine

Leclecr dominated from the start and faster than anyone else. Yes indeed the upgrades are working

[MSC Fan]

Yeah and the upgrades are working fine

They are though. Leclerc confirmed it himself in the interview mid way through the race.

[samboozik]

it is so easy to be fast with less fuel then the others, see why Ham was faster.

[jgonzalesm6]

Sainz takes 4th from Lewis........

[alfaromeo]

Leclerk will be at least 30 s win today…

[Redfive]

...I have no words, utterly utterly GUTTED.

[Redfive]

let's hope Max has another DNF today.

Jinx's can backfire on you. please refrain in the future from costing us a win.

[Ferrarichamp]

He will probably bin the car in Monaco

I hope not, he will have learned his lesson from last year.

[alfaromeo]

This is Motorsport Ferrari is have very good car in Monaco Leclerk can win. We All forgot where Ferrari has been for the last 8 years. It’s hurt but that is Motorsport.

[Ferrarichamp]

Jinx's can backfire on you. please refrain in the future from costing us a win.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

[Aziz]

For me firstly a hope for guys like you to leave this place because you think that this team is a disaster.THEN I will deal with my emotions with the team

Just answer the question, it's a simple one

[nani_s23]

Sainz takes 4th from Lewis........

Wt happ I didn’t watch the race. Lewis passed Sainz for P4 right?

[alfaromeo]

Are somebody known what happened with Leclerc engine failure???

[MSC Fan]

He will probably bin the car in Monaco

You're such an optimistic guy, it's impressive. The world would surely be a better place if more people had an attitude as positive as yours :)

[MSC Fan]

Wt happ I didn’t watch the race. Lewis passed Sainz for P4 right?

Low fuel IIRC, HAM had to lift and coast.

[Greig]

Wt happ I didn’t watch the race. Lewis passed Sainz for P4 right?

Both Mercs had engine problem towards end and had to lift and coast.

[Ferrarichamp]

Wt happ I didn’t watch the race. Lewis passed Sainz for P4 right?

Sainz finished P4, two chains P5.

[paolo lalli]

The season is long the car is fast and yes a win down the drain.My concern is Carlos he is no team supporter or butler he is costing ferrari dearly unfortunately especially when Charles DNF. Bring on Monoco and square the ledger.

[nani_s23]

Both Mercs had engine problem towards end and had to lift and coast.

Thanks for the info. P4 instead of P3. Damage limitation for him.

[ntukza]

Gutted, but it happened twice to Verstappen, the season is still very long and the updates seem to be working very well.
As for Carlos, the team should really consider getting Bottas in the second car if the spaniard's form doesn't drastically improve by mid-season. He is costing us too many points.

+1

Thank you.

I understand people on here being disappointed because I myself am very disappointed. But I can't stand the immaturity of some comments, like spoilt brat millennials who want everything to go their way and who want Ferrari to win both championships TODAY or else the team is useless. On Friday and Saturday they were crapping the team. Then after the quali result they were praising the team. Now they are crapping the team again. Come on. You are exhausting. It's bad enough havigg to deal with the disappointment of this result, now we have to deal with your whining as well!

[nani_s23]

Low fuel IIRC, HAM had to lift and coast.

Thanks for the info… got it.

[nani_s23]

Sainz finished P4, two chains P5.

Got it…!! We would have got P3, if Sainz managed it well. Hmmm

[drax]

+1

Thank you.

I understand people on here being disappointed because I myself am very disappointed. But I can't stand the immaturity of some comments, like spoilt brat millennials who want everything to go their way and who want Ferrari to win both championships TODAY or else the team is useless. On Friday and Saturday they were crapping the team. Then after the quali result they were praising the team. Now they are crapping the team again. Come on. You are exhausting. It's bad enough havigg to deal with the disappointment of this result, now we have to deal with your whining as well!

This ^^

[elnano14]

+1

Thank you.

I understand people on here being disappointed because I myself am very disappointed. But I can't stand the immaturity of some comments, like spoilt brat millennials who want everything to go their way and who want Ferrari to win both championships TODAY or else the team is useless. On Friday and Saturday they were crapping the team. Then after the quali result they were praising the team. Now they are crapping the team again. Come on. You are exhausting. It's bad enough havigg to deal with the disappointment of this result, now we have to deal with your whining as well!

+1

[ferrari1.8t]

The season is long the car is fast and yes a win down the drain.My concern is Carlos he is no team supporter or butler he is costing ferrari dearly unfortunately especially when Charles DNF. Bring on Monoco and square the ledger.

The season is slowly slipping away from us. The point swing in the last 3-4 races is just too much. And Carlos not having the best year isn’t helping. Merc with that turd has had more consistency then Ferrari thus far. It’s very frustrating.

[ntukza]

it is so easy to be fast with less fuel then the others, see why Ham was faster.

No one is stopping the other 19 drivers from running low fuel and then coasting to P5 at the end.

[elnano14]

Bye the way all the issues with Alfa Romeo's cars (mainly the engine) doesn't looking good for us. Hopefully we'll sort this out quickly

[Kyss4k]

The season is long the car is fast and yes a win down the drain.My concern is Carlos he is no team supporter or butler he is costing ferrari dearly unfortunately especially when Charles DNF. Bring on Monoco and square the ledger.

The season is long yet we managed to lose over 40 points in 3 races. Imagine how moch more can we lose in that long season. They need ***** Norris to walk in the Ferrari garage/factory/hq and slap everyone to wake them up.

[nani_s23]

Conclusion,

1. upgrades worked. We solved few issues & one major issue is left (Straight line speed). We need to surprise RB at faster circuits. We can’t rely every time on Corners.
2. Carlos need to step up & perform to his best if ferrari to win WCC else I don’t see this happening.
3. Mercs solved their issues as well, they are back to fastest on straight line. They would be headache for us if we don’t solve our top speed.

Season is long, anything can happen to any team. Hence focus on development & reliability. Rest Leclerc will take care of WDC.

[Kyss4k]

Bye the way all the issues with Alfa Romeo's cars (mainly the engine) doesn't looking good for us. Hopefully we'll sort this out quickly

I wouldn't be surprised if we toned the engine back down where it used to be at the start of the season. Remember they were concerned about reliability, then upped the power and well here we go. Hopefully it's not the case

[Aziz]

The season is slowly slipping away from us. The point swing in the last 3-4 races is just too much. And Carlos not having the best year isn’t helping. Merc with that turd has had more consistency then Ferrari thus far. It’s very frustrating.

Why don't you just hope, don't be critical

[Aziz]

I wouldn't be surprised if we toned the engine back down where it used to be at the start of the season. Remember they were concerned about reliability, then upped the power and well here we go. Hopefully it's not the case

That's exactly the case, and don't forget that engine was in the pipeline for a few years. They always have some concern, they always have something more to extract from the car and not bring updates, there is always something, even if they had more than double time in wind tunel and cfd then RB

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell was 32 sec behind Max and Lewis was 54sec behind Max at the end of the race.

[ntukza]

I wouldn't be surprised if we toned the engine back down where it used to be at the start of the season. Remember they were concerned about reliability, then upped the power and well here we go. Hopefully it's not the case

Or upgrade the engine for reliability.

[PURE PASSION]

Just answer the question, it's a simple one

For years and I'LL KEEP for more!!!! i can stand the team and what they do ,althoug sometimes it breaks my hart in thousands pieces !!
What i really CANT stand is the negetivity of you and some others here !!!!! you are make me furious , the team DONT !!!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Why don't you just hope, don't be critical

I’ve had hope for 15 years, and I still do. But it’s very frustrating, days like today are gutting to Ferrari fans. And seeing RedBull and Merc both gaining WCC points on us hurts even more. We are allowed to be worried as fans…yes our updates work, so that’s positive. However, there is a lot to be worried about at this point in the season…

[ntukza]

The season is long yet we managed to lose over 40 points in 3 races. Imagine how moch more can we lose in that long season. They need ***** Norris to walk in the Ferrari garage/factory/hq and slap everyone to wake them up.

We gained +- 78 points in the first 3 races. Imagine how much more can we gain in that long season? (Not your kind of thinking is it? Miss me with your pessimism.)

[Aziz]

I’ve had hope for 15 years, and I still do. But it’s very frustrating, days like today are gutting to Ferrari fans. And seeing RedBull and Merc both gaining WCC points on us hurts even more. We are allowed to be worried as fans…yes our updates work, so that’s positive. However, there is a lot to be worried about at this point in the season…

I was being sarcastic

[jgonzalesm6]

We gained +- 78 points in the first 3 races. Imagine how much more can we gain in that long season? (Not your kind of thinking is it? Miss me with your pessimism.)

Max had 2 DNF's in the first 3 races and Checo had 1 as well........the door swings both ways.

[Arcana]

The season is long yet we managed to lose over 40 points in 3 races. Imagine how moch more can we lose in that long season. They need ***** Norris to walk in the Ferrari garage/factory/hq and slap everyone to wake them up.

No, Mercedes were fast out of the box, but they couldn't turn on all the power their had because of that porpoise they had in testing and first races. Redbull were fastest out of box but unreliable. So far Max won all races he finished. Unfortunately Ferrari started to have their own costly reliability issues and they have a very weak second driver. Max / Checo and Lewis / George combos are a lot stronger than Charles / Carlos I'm afraid.

If Ferrari keep their development pace with Redbull / Mercedes Leclerc might win the WDC, but you can already say goodbye to WCC.

[samboozik]

Ferrari needs to do something about Sainz he can't continue like this for the whole year.

[Aziz]

For years and I'LL KEEP for more!!!! i can stand the team and what they do ,althoug sometimes it breaks my hart in thousands pieces !!
What i really CANT stand is the negetivity of you and some others here !!!!! you are make me furious , the team DONT !!!!!!

Well I was watching this team from early 90s and I know what they can do when they have the right people. Now we have semi-profesional staff, and that staff likes to have a brain fart every season since 2009. So you see why I can't stand them, they are not professionals

[ntukza]

Conclusion,

1. upgrades worked. We solved few issues & one major issue is left (Straight line speed). We need to surprise RB at faster circuits. We can’t rely every time on Corners.
2. Carlos need to step up & perform to his best if ferrari to win WCC else I don’t see this happening.
3. Mercs solved their issues as well, they are back to fastest on straight line. They would be headache for us if we don’t solve our top speed.

Season is long, anything can happen to any team. Hence focus on development & reliability. Rest Leclerc will take care of WDC.

Also, we had poor tyre deg on Friday and we solved it overnight - took our competitors by surprise. It's a really guttering result this but to write the team off as some are doing is ludicrous.

Time for the team to regroup, weed out current and potential mishaps, and ensure they retain and build on the dedication and methodology that got them to being genuine title contenders for 2022.

[ntukza]

Max had 2 DNF's in the first 3 races and Checo had 1 as well........the door swings both ways.

Exactly. So no use moaning about losing 40 points the last 3 races when, as you say, the door swings both ways.

[PURE PASSION]

Well I was watching this team from early 90s and I know what they can do when they have the right people. Now we have semi-profesional staff, and that staff likes to have a brain fart every season since 2009. So you see why I can't stand them, they are not professionals

I've being saying the same thing to a lot of people like you . THIS is our team !!! If you clearly cant stand them and you only want wins , then simply leave and come back when tere will be staff in the team that suits you !!! We keep staying here supporting these losers as you say ????

[nani_s23]

Carlos Sainz confirmed that the start procedure was wrong, and that the floor was damaged due to his spin.

He was running 1 second/lap slower than what he could have.

[stefa]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8030&stc=1
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8031&stc=1

[jgonzalesm6]

Carlos Sainz confirmed that the start procedure was wrong, .

He hit the anti-stall at the start...........again.........no??

[Aziz]

I've being saying the same thing to a lot of people like you . THIS is our team !!! If you clearly cant stand them and you only want wins , then simply leave and come back when tere will be staff in the team that suits you !!! We keep staying here supporting these losers as you say ????

Because I love Ferrari, and Ferrari is something magical for me. Look I'm from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the only thing that made me happy during the years of war, is hearing Ferrari won. Then the war stopped and as we continued to live and rebuild so did our team in the 2000s,so you see i have a deep connection with this team and it hurts like hell that we could not win anything since 2008, the only thing that hurts more is seeing them do the same things year in year out

[FerrariF60]

I don't get the trolls here. Upgrades that Ferrari brought worked, Charles-F175 combo is the fastest and fixed all the tyre deg of previous races. What happened today was equally heartbreaking and annoying, but it will happen.

The F1-75 isn't invincible but it is the fastest. And at the end of the day, the fastest Car-Driver combo will always win the championship.

Tell that to Newey’s mclaren in 2005....when arguably they had THE fastest car that season, but it was the reliability issues they had every other weekend that DID NIT win them championship...

So yeah, to finish FIRST, first you MUST finish

[nani_s23]

He hit the anti-stall at the start...........again.........no??

Yup.. he did it

[nani_s23]

Binotto says that Mercedes has improved, however with Charles on the track they would have reached 40/45 "or about
6/7 tenths / turn

[nani_s23]

“His race pace was stunning. He would have raced for the win”….. :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl


Ask me who it was?

[tpe]

Conclusion,

1. upgrades worked. We solved few issues & one major issue is left (Straight line speed). We need to surprise RB at faster circuits. We can’t rely every time on Corners.
2. Carlos need to step up & perform to his best if ferrari to win WCC else I don’t see this happening.
3. Mercs solved their issues as well, they are back to fastest on straight line. They would be headache for us if we don’t solve our top speed.

Season is long, anything can happen to any team. Hence focus on development & reliability. Rest Leclerc will take care of WDC.

This

[jgonzalesm6]

Yup.. he did it

Either Ferrari moves that anti-stall button for Sainz so he doesn't hit it again......and again.......or Sainz just needs to STOP HITTING THAT DAMN BUTTON!!!!....sheeesh.

[PURE PASSION]

Because I love Ferrari, and Ferrari is something magical for me. Look I'm from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the only thing that made me happy during the years of war, is hearing Ferrari won. Then the war stopped and as we continued to live and rebuild so did our team in the 2000s,so you see i have a deep connection with this team and it hurts like hell that we could not win anything since 2008, the only thing that hurts more is seeing them do the same things year in year out

Well ,it's another thing the brand and another the team Ferrari F1. Now again, THIS is our team ,take it or leave!!!

[FerrariF60]

A
Both cars are even steven given the track. F175 is awesome in the corners. RB18B is awesome on the straights.

Both teams need work on reliability whether it's the PU or the DRS.

I’d rather have little gremlins with DRS issues rather than PU isues....the former is much easier to fix...but then again is just me

[jgonzalesm6]

Conclusion,


3. Mercs solved their issues as well, they are back to fastest on straight line. They would be headache for us if we don’t solve our top speed.

.


Mercs are 7/10's off the quali pace when compared to Leclerc and Max.

Mercs(Russell) were 32 seconds off the race pace of Max at the end of the race.

Soi use that info with regards to Leclerc IF he did'nt have the DNF......the times would have been further in the race.

[Aziz]

A

I’d rather have little gremlins with DRS issues rather than PU isues....the former is much easier to fix...but then again is just me

Any news about the engine

[jgonzalesm6]

A

I’d rather have little gremlins with DRS issues rather than PU isues....the former is much easier to fix...but then again is just me

Both teams have had issues with their PU.....RedBull at the beginning of the season.......and now Ferrari (Leclerc).

[jgonzalesm6]

Any news about the engine

nothing......Binotto was asked about it post race interview.

Karun Chandhuk did a replay of Leclerc's engine "blowing" and it sounded like the turbo.......but nothing to confirm.

[nani_s23]

Mercs are 7/10's off the quali pace when compared to Leclerc and Max.

Mercs(Russell) were 32 seconds off the race pace of Max at the end of the race.

Soi use that info with regards to Leclerc IF he did'nt have the DNF......the times would have been further in the race.

I was talking about their Straight-Line speed. They were Second fastest on those straights after RB.

[PURE PASSION]

Mercs are 7/10's off the quali pace when compared to Leclerc and Max.

Mercs(Russell) were 32 seconds off the race pace of Max at the end of the race.

Soi use that info with regards to Leclerc IF he did'nt have the DNF......the times would have been further in the race.

According to our team ,if Lec had finish the race, the Merc would have finish over 40s behind him. About 0,6/7 s / lap

[Ferrarichamp]

I just wish the PU had failed on Sainz' car instead of Charles, but what can you do.

[tpe]

In the Greek TV they said that it sounded like broken turbo, but it could easily be a broken MGU. We will see.
There was no smoke, so let's hope is not the ICE

[jgonzalesm6]

I was talking about their Straight-Line speed. They were Second fastest on those straights after RB.

ahhh,...copy. Merc's at the moment look like a strong 3rd in the WCC standings.


According to our team ,if Lec had finish the race, the Merc would have finish over 40s behind him. About 0,6/7 s / lap

agreed. Merc's have a ways to go still.

[FerrariF60]

he just got a 2 years extension

Contracts don’t mean nothing...they can give him the boot at the end of the year if they really want to...same thing happened to Kimi in 2009...he had a contract for 2010, yet Ferrari didn’t give 2 $ h I t s and brought Alonso in 2010

[PURE PASSION]

In the Greek TV they said that it sounded like broken turbo, but it could easily be a broken MGU. We will see.
There was no smoke, so let's hope is not the ICE

You should not here the guys in ΕΡΤ. They say whatever that pass their mind and 8 out 10 times they are clueless for what they are talking about !!!!!:lol:lol:lol

[Warp]

In the Greek TV they said that it sounded like broken turbo, but it could easily be a broken MGU. We will see.
There was no smoke, so let's hope is not the ICE

State channel ? To be honest i wouldn't trust anything of what they say. They know nothing about Formula1.

[PURE PASSION]

Contracts don’t mean nothing...they can give him the boot at the end of the year if they really want to...same thing happened to Kimi in 2009...he had a contract for 2010, yet Ferrari didn’t give 2 $ h I t s and brought Alonso in 2010

Today the team said that after the exit ,he damaged the floor and was turning almost 1s off he's regular pace!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

State channel ? To be honest i wouldn't trust anything of what they say. They know nothing about Formula1.

ΕΡΤ2 !!! Yesterday they said Roger Federer is a great SPANISH tennis player!!!!! Only to correct it 5 min later !!!
Today olbefore the start of the race ,when they presenting the tires of the race, they said that this is the tires that FERRARI have brought to this race!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1528404406290481152?t=W4ypeeoGabJnApan1EOroA&s=19

[Warp]

ΕΡΤ2 !!! Yesterday they said Roger Federer is a great SPANISH tennis player!!!!! Only to correct it 5 min later !!!
Today olbefore the start of the race ,when they presenting the tires of the race, they said that this is the tires that FERRARI have brought to this race!!!!!

Yeah they're not good enough to cast anything imo. If you can afford it F1TV is much better.

[TTRSMAD]

It's a bad day for Ferrari at the office but there will be better days ahead.

Ferrari have got the fastest car and don't think Red Bull is not going to suffer some kind of PU problem down the road.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niRcjfdt8so If this guy stays optimist, I will too. Monaco is 1-2 Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

So far 6 races

Max won -> 4
Charles -> 2

Last 3 races Max won all 3. Momentum is with RB.

Ferrari is not fastest yet, they have strong car. Overall RB is fastest race car. We need to get our act together & fight for win at every track & Leclerc is showing that. Sainz should do the same.

[TTRSMAD]

So far 6 races

Max won -> 4
Charles -> 2

Last 3 races Max won all 3. Momentum is with RB.

Ferrari is not fastest yet, they have strong car. Overall RB is fastest race car. We need to get our act together & fight for win at every track & Leclerc is showing that. Sainz should do the same.


Can you tell me what was the gap between Verstappen and Leclerc before he lost the car at turn 4. My point is that the update worked and this car in the hands of Leclerc as got the edge.
Did you see the qualy lap comparison here tell me who is the better car right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzs9KfJcK0

[RossTheBoss]

Can you tell me what was the gap between Verstappen and Leclerc before he lost the car at turn 4. My point is that the update worked and this car in the hands of Leclerc as got the edge.
Did you see the qualy lap comparison here tell me who is the better car right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzs9KfJcK0
It was 11+ seconds.

[nani_s23]

Can you tell me what was the gap between Verstappen and Leclerc before he lost the car at turn 4. My point is that the update worked and this car in the hands of Leclerc as got the edge.
Did you see the qualy lap comparison here tell me who is the better car right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzs9KfJcK0

We had always a better 1Lap pace on all the tracks so far. But in Barcelona our race pace at least in the hands of Leclerc was good. Hence this DNF hurts a lot than others if any.

[PURE PASSION]

It was 11+ seconds.

Νο he is talking the gap between Lec - Ves before Ves exit on lap 6-7 (I don't remember) .it was about 2,2 s. He slowly but steadily opened a gap. And then till lap 20 Lec had pretty good pace and when Perez was left behind him ,Lec was almost 0,5 s faster (same tires ). So YES I'm confident then even without the exit ,ves where NO way he could win Lec today. It was something like Bahrain.

[nani_s23]

Can you tell me what was the gap between Verstappen and Leclerc before he lost the car at turn 4. My point is that the update worked and this car in the hands of Leclerc as got the edge.
Did you see the qualy lap comparison here tell me who is the better car right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzs9KfJcK0

Max won WDC last year or at least was in fight with Lewis due to their engine + aero. Hence I was calling for the same.
Ferrari need to improve top speed now that porpoising issue is addressed.

[TTRSMAD]

Νο he is talking the gap between Lec - Ves before Ves exit on lap 6-7 (I don't remember) .it was about 2,2 s. He slowly but steadily opened a gap. And then till lap 20 Lec had pretty good pace and when Perez was left behind him ,Lec was almost 0,5 s faster (same tires ). So YES I'm confident then even without the exit ,ves where NO way he could win Lec today. It was something like Bahrain.

:thumb

[RossTheBoss]

Total heartbreak for Charles.

Like a lot of you, I want this to be Ferrari's year. It looked awesome for the first 3 races, but now the momentum is totally on RB's side.

Red Bull have a car that's more hooked up and has an edge on tires and straight line. Ferrari closed the gap some with the upgrades, but the team just seem very disorganized and feeling the pressure of trying to get the first title in 14 years.

Way too much pressure has been put on Charles like Alonso and Vettel before him. He's got a teammate that is useless, and has been made to wait for upgrades that should've come two races ago. The good news is that the upgrades have arrived and put Ferrari on par with Red Bull. Bad news is, Red Bull have the lead now.

[RossTheBoss]

The resigning of Sainz calls into question Binotto's judgement. Melbourne was a warning sign that he's capable of clownshoe mistakes, and since then it's been one mistake after another, after another.

[TTRSMAD]

Max won WDC last year or at least was in fight with Lewis due to their engine + aero. Hence I was calling for the same.
Ferrari need to improve top speed now that porpoising issue is addressed.

We will see what happens in Baku. It's going to be interesting the compromise made by the two teams.

[tpe]

You should not here the guys in ΕΡΤ. They say whatever that pass their mind and 8 out 10 times they are clueless for what they are talking about !!!!!:lol:lol:lol

Totally agree, however it did sound like broken turbine

[tpe]

ΕΡΤ2 !!! Yesterday they said Roger Federer is a great SPANISH tennis player!!!!! Only to correct it 5 min later !!!
Today olbefore the start of the race ,when they presenting the tires of the race, they said that this is the tires that FERRARI have brought to this race!!!!!

Epic

[tpe]

So far 6 races

Max won -> 4
Charles -> 2

Last 3 races Max won all 3. Momentum is with RB.

Ferrari is not fastest yet, they have strong car. Overall RB is fastest race car. We need to get our act together & fight for win at every track & Leclerc is showing that. Sainz should do the same.

Momentum can easily sing the other way around

[Zak_leclerc]

Ça me donne de la nausée de voir sainz dans une Ferrari...franchement c'est quoi ce niveau même ces ingénieur sont null c quoi cette stratégie

[wisepie]

It all looked so good for Charles until lap 27, I've always said we shouldn't jinx things by enjoying another driver's problems with DRS or whatever, it can come back to bite us and it did today. We needed that win and decent points from Carlos, but it all went horribly wrong. Charles was very mature about it and let's hope that his Monaco jinx won't add to our problems next weekend. Losing the championships leads is hard to take, but I'm not going to slag off the team, a 2.2sec pit-stop is good going, making it harder to accept it was all for nothing. Hope the ICE can be salvaged, Charles is still positive despite such a massive disappointment.:-s

[Greig]

Total heartbreak for Charles.

Like a lot of you, I want this to be Ferrari's year. It looked awesome for the first 3 races, but now the momentum is totally on RB's side.

Red Bull have a car that's more hooked up and has an edge on tires and straight line. Ferrari closed the gap some with the upgrades, but the team just seem very disorganized and feeling the pressure of trying to get the first title in 14 years.

Way too much pressure has been put on Charles like Alonso and Vettel before him. He's got a teammate that is useless, and has been made to wait for upgrades that should've come two races ago. The good news is that the upgrades have arrived and put Ferrari on par with Red Bull. Bad news is, Red Bull have the lead now.

What seems very disorganized in the team? Red Bull did not have any edge today.....

[Greig]

The resigning of Sainz calls into question Binotto's judgement. Melbourne was a warning sign that he's capable of clownshoe mistakes, and since then it's been one mistake after another, after another.

Really? so Binotto could predict these things before they happened....Charles mistake in Imola might play heavily on his mind now then.....

[ferrari1.8t]

WCC Standings:

RedBull 195
Ferrari 169
Mercedes 120

Huge uphill battle for us from here. The gap is huge to Redbull, and if Ferrari; Saniz specifically doesn’t wake up; we will end up 3rd before we know it.

[Super M]

nothing......Binotto was asked about it post race interview.

Karun Chandhuk did a replay of Leclerc's engine "blowing" and it sounded like the turbo.......but nothing to confirm.

Correct, you can clearly hear it was the Turbo that went. What a pity man! sadly these things do happen. first it was Red bull with problems, now us.......pendulum will carry on like this till the end of the season. Lets just hope its more them than us..........Still happy with today's performance before the engine went, we kept pace, which was good to see. I only hope it improve massively in Baku......

[Greig]

WCC Standings:

RedBull 195
Ferrari 169
Mercedes 120

Huge uphill battle for us from here. The gap is huge to Redbull, and if Ferrari; Saniz specifically doesn’t wake up; we will end up 3rd before we know it.

:rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ça me donne de la nausée de voir sainz dans une Ferrari...franchement c'est quoi ce niveau même ces ingénieur sont null c quoi cette stratégie

Ursäkta, men jag förstår inte franska :lol

(Excuse me, but I don't understand French)

[ferrari1.8t]

:rotfl

Keep laughing. Mercedes took that dumpster of a car and gained over a second. They have consistently finished in the points; while Ferrari barely has both drivers finishing in the points.

RedBull has had their reliability struggles, yet still have managed to win the last three races in a row and have both drivers in the points. Even today, with all the DRS issues they still came 1-2.

Laugh all you want, it’s time for Ferrari to wake up. The season is slipping away from us

[PURE PASSION]

WCC Standings:

RedBull 195
Ferrari 169
Mercedes 120

Huge uphill battle for us from here. The gap is huge to Redbull, and if Ferrari; Saniz specifically doesn’t wake up; we will end up 3rd before we know it.
Guys , EXACTLY the same you could say about the Bulls after the 1st 3 races and look what happend!!! Today yes we had a bad setback with this DNF + Sainz exit ,BUT RedBull wasnt flawless themselves !! And IF (im pretty confident ) we retook the edge on performance , then this margin could quickly overcome !!!!

[FerrariF60]

Keep laughing. Mercedes took that dumpster of a car and gained over a second. They have consistently finished in the points; while Ferrari barely has both drivers finishing in the points.

RedBull has had their reliability struggles, yet still have managed to win the last three races in a row and have both drivers in the points. Even today, with all the DRS issues they still came 1-2.

Laugh all you want, it’s time for Ferrari to wake up. The season is slipping away from us

sadly you're bringing some good valid points to the table....but i'm sure Ferrari will be working flat out to overcome these vows/gremlins they are having....as for Sainz, dont' think there is any hope....

the sooner the team realizes that Bottas would be a better #2 to charles, the better

[Super M]

Some people on here don't deserve to have a keyboard!!! The negative comments are pathetic!!! :furious

[Greig]

Keep laughing. Mercedes took that dumpster of a car and gained over a second. They have consistently finished in the points; while Ferrari barely has both drivers finishing in the points.

RedBull has had their reliability struggles, yet still have managed to win the last three races in a row and have both drivers in the points. Even today, with all the DRS issues they still came 1-2.

Laugh all you want, it’s time for Ferrari to wake up. The season is slipping away from us

:rotfl

Merc are still nowhere near winning races and have probably ruined their budget already....what do you want Ferrari to do about it out of interest? wake up? wake up from what?

[ferrari1.8t]

sadly you're bringing some good valid points to the table....but i'm sure Ferrari will be working flat out to overcome these vows/gremlins they are having....as for Sainz, dont' think there is any hope....

the sooner the team realizes that Bottas would be a better #2 to charles, the better

Thanks fratello, I’m bringing valid points yet some members will just laugh it off and pretend that everything is ok simply because RedBull had some issues early in the season. There is some real reason for concern, yet some will simply pretend all is perfect. We’ve seen this episode before, Ferrari start strong and the other teams find their form and we end up loosing the development race. I’m not throwing in the towel, just saying there is reason for concern.

[ferrari1.8t]

:rotfl

Merc are still nowhere near winning races and have probably ruined their budget already....what do you want Ferrari to do about it out of interest? wake up? wake up from what?

You conveniently left out RedBulls consecutive race wins and todays 1-2 in your comment. There is reason for us tifosi to be concerned. Keep smelling the roses….

[ferrari1.8t]

Some people on here don't deserve to have a keyboard!!! The negative comments are pathetic!!! :furious

Not negative. Realistic, there is a difference. There are areas that need addressing…that’s all

[Greig]

You conveniently left out RedBulls consecutive race wins and todays 1-2 in your comment. There is reason for us tifosi to be concerned. Keep smelling the roses….

Maybe you are forgetting Charles was 12 seconds up the road today......you are free to give up already if you wish.

But what does Ferrari need to wake up actually mean? Max had the same problem as Carlos today.....

[FerrariF60]

Not negative. Realistic, there is a difference. There are areas that need addressing…that’s all

yup too many people here that LIKE SMELLING THE ROSES......it's all good and dandy, but the reality is that red bull IS and HAS BEEN a admirable team over the past decade and a half....and if they have issues, they quickly remedy them in a short period of time...

i'm not saying Ferrari will not do the same....but we as Fans we've been let down too many times in the past by our beloved team

let's hope that Ferrari and Co. will prove me wrong throughout this WHOLE SEASON

[ferrari1.8t]

Maybe you are forgetting Charles was 12 seconds up the road today......you are free to give up already if you wish.

But what does Ferrari need to wake up actually mean? Max had the same problem as Carlos today.....

Yet Max won the race, and if not for a Merc problem, we would have finished behind Hamilton. What’s your point?

Wake up means stop throwing away points, do what you need to get Carlos’ head straight, and stop worrying about budgets and develop your car now. Your competitors don’t seem to be worried about the cap. By time they run out of money and we start spending ours they will be too far ahead in points anyways.

[Greig]

yup too many people here that LIKE SMELLING THE ROSES......it's all good and dandy, but the reality is that red bull IS and HAS BEEN a admirable team over the past decade and a half....and if they have issues, they quickly remedy them in a short period of time...

i'm not saying Ferrari will not do the same....but we as Fans we've been let down too many times in the past by our beloved team

let's hope that Ferrari and Co. will prove me wrong throughout this WHOLE SEASON

Red Bull had issues today.....they had issue yesterday also....but yeah they are super right enough :-D

[ferrari1.8t]

Max and Carlos had the same issue, yet one won the race while the other got beat by a midfield Merc who was in 18th place. What an argument to say Ferrari is ok :roll

[RossTheBoss]

Red Bull are definitely the more hooked up team right now. Clear number 1 driver and team orders, confident development plan, and they're not feeling the pressure of driving for the title because Max has that monkey off his back. So that's the bad news.

The good news is that Red Bull last year were 44 points in the hole to Mercedes after Austria in the WCC, and Max was 32 points ahead of Hamilton. Red Bull had looked untouchable, but then Silverstone and Hungary came and swung things around quickly in the title fight. It all came down to the Silverstone packages, and Mercedes gaining more from theirs than Red Bull did, and Red Bull's upgrades late in the season not doing much for the car.

There were signs that Ferrari made a big step forward with their upgrades. The pace was there for sure. More balance, better tire management, better straight line speed. Leclerc was 6 and 7That's the good news, as opposed to the upgrade not working.

Ferrari have to start focusing on winning races at any cost. Abandon Sainz, let him be on his own. Put all the resources into Charles, including upgrades. There is no reason why both cars must be upgraded together, when one driver is driving like Alonso, and the other can't stop making mistakes. Stop being afraid to bring an upgrade and try it on just Charles.

The upgrade package could've been brought to Imola. Ferrari made the wrong call to be concerned about spare parts for both drivers. They have to learn that lesson.

[Greig]

Yet Max won the race, and if not for a Merc problem, we would have finished behind Hamilton. What’s your point?

Wake up means stop throwing away points, do what you need to get Carlos’ head straight, and stop worrying about budgets and develop your car now. Your competitors don’t seem to be worried about the cap. By time they run out of money and we start spending ours they will be too far ahead in points anyways.

And if not for our problem Max would not have won the race...what's your point? Ignoring we were faster than Red Bull to pour your negativity out is pretty standard though.

We have a development plan for the car, if you can't handle that then really too bad for you. We brought an upgrade here that put us back ahead yet you want to cry about it. Throwing a hissy fit on the internet will not change anything.

[Greig]

Max and Carlos had the same issue, yet one won the race while the other got beat by a midfield Merc who was in 18th place. What an argument to say Ferrari is ok :roll

Sainz finished ahead of Lewis...duh.

[ferrari1.8t]

And if not for our problem Max would not have won the race...what's your point? Ignoring we were faster than Red Bull to pour your negativity out is pretty standard though.

We have a development plan for the car, if you can't handle that then really too bad for you. We brought an upgrade here that put us back ahead yet you want to cry about it. Throwing a hissy fit on the internet will not change anything.

Read post 388. Not arguing with you anymore

[Greig]

The upgrade package could've been brought to Imola. Ferrari made the wrong call to be concerned about spare parts for both drivers. They have to learn that lesson.

This upgrade was still in the wind tunnel at Imola, why you just make up things?

[ferrari1.8t]

Sainz finished ahead of Lewis...duh.

Only because of a Merc issue. Carlos was easily caught and passed by a midfield car from 18th place. Say what you want, if Merc Didn’t have power issues the spot would have stuck. Stop dreaming and changing the narrative to suit your argument

[Greig]

Read post 388. Not arguing with you anymore

Was better when you just focused all your attention on Lewis tbh....

[Greig]

Only because of a Merc issue. Carlos was easily caught and passed by a midfield car from 18th place. Say what you want, if Merc Didn’t have power issues the spot would have stuck. Stop dreaming and changing the narrative to suit your argument

Only because Carlos had a damaged floor....stop ignoring things to get your tears flowing.

[SFTifoso]

Quick take. Car is still has race winning pace. All these doom and gloomers need to shut it. Still plenty of races left, it won’t be easy, but we do have a fair shot. Rather be in this place than where we’ve been for the last few years.

And second Carlos needs to be traded for Bottas. Man I want him to be up there fighting with Charles, but he’s consistently off the pace. I feel Bottas is talented, but never got to race Hamilton with equal cars.

[ferrari1.8t]

Only because Carlos had a damaged floor....stop ignoring things to get your tears flowing.

More excuses to suit your narrative. Max had no drs and won the race. No excuses for RedBull

[Greig]

More excuses to suit your narrative. Max had no drs and won the race. No excuses for RedBull

Max could not pass the midfield car.......ignoring things again to suit your hissy fit.

[ferrari1.8t]

Was better when you just focused all your attention on Lewis tbh....

Lol. He still takes up a lot of my time. He needs to retire to make me happy :-D

[RossTheBoss]

This upgrade was still in the wind tunnel at Imola, why you just make up things?
That's not what I saw reported. The team had the upgrade, but decided not to use it because of the sprint format and forecasted rain.

[RossTheBoss]

Lol. He still takes up a lot of my time. He needs to retire to make me happy :-D
LOL!

I don't think anyone here would miss his face and drama.

[FerrariF60]

Red Bull had issues today.....they had issue yesterday also....but yeah they are super right enough :-D

true, red bull did have some DRS related issues, but they've been on the winning streak with 3 back to back to back wins....and and yes the pendulum could start swinging our way too....but until then they seem to have a better gelled team....oh and a #2 driver to boot that actually performs

sainz's days are numbered for sure....keep up the misttakes and i'm sure they'll look for a replacement sooner rather then later....and Bottas is looking mighty good out there, now that he's been unleashed from the Merc team

[FerrariF60]

Sainz finished ahead of Lewis...duh.

barely.....

[ferrari1.8t]

barely.....

The rose-coloured glasses distorts reality. Hamilton had us beat from 18th if it wasn’t for their engine issues.

[RossTheBoss]

And if not for our problem Max would not have won the race...what's your point? Ignoring we were faster than Red Bull to pour your negativity out is pretty standard though.

We have a development plan for the car, if you can't handle that then really too bad for you. We brought an upgrade here that put us back ahead yet you want to cry about it. Throwing a hissy fit on the internet will not change anything.
It was painful to see Charles break, but it was good to see the Melbourne form back, and the car able to pull away through S2&3. It will be a good package for Baku and Canada, and obviously Charles is good in Monaco.

What the team need is another win under their belt in the next 3 races.

[Greig]

The rose-coloured glasses distorts reality. Hamilton had us beat from 18th if it wasn’t for their engine issues.

Due to a damaged floor.....but you carry on with your Merc love in.

[Greig]

barely.....

Makes no difference finished ahead....

[Greig]

That's not what I saw reported. The team had the upgrade, but decided not to use it because of the sprint format and forecasted rain.

They had a floor upgrade, this package was still in the wind tunnel as they said at Imola.

[FerrariF60]

The rose-coloured glasses distorts reality. Hamilton had us beat from 18th if it wasn’t for their engine issues.

indeed, but you cannot express your opinion OR argue with Greig.....he ALWAYS has to be right....otherwise he can't sleep at night

[ferrari1.8t]

Makes no difference finished ahead....

Lol makes a difference that Carlos had problems, but not that Hamilton had them? Your arguments make no sense.

[FerrariF60]

It was painful to see Charles break, but it was good to see the Melbourne form back, and the car able to pull away through S2&3. It will be a good package for Baku and Canada, and obviously Charles is good in Monaco.

What the team need is another win under their belt in the next 3 races.

only ONE.....im greedy, i WANT ALL 3

[ferrari1.8t]

indeed, but you cannot express your opinion OR argue with Greig.....he ALWAYS has to be right....otherwise he can't sleep at night

This.

[Greig]

Lol makes a difference that Carlos had problems, but not that Hamilton had them? Your arguments make no sense.

You said Lewis beat us from 18th, he never is the point.

[Greig]

indeed, but you cannot express your opinion OR argue with Greig.....he ALWAYS has to be right....otherwise he can't sleep at night

Not an opinion, he said Lewis beat us.....Lewis did not beat us. No opinion needed.

[ferrari1.8t]

Not an opinion, he said Lewis beat us.....Lewis did not beat us. No opinion needed.

Yes yes. Carlos only lost because of a floor problem, but Lewis didn’t beat us because of an engine issue. Again, your logic is unmatched.

[Greig]

Yes yes. Carlos only lost because of a floor problem, but Lewis didn’t beat us because of an engine issue. Again, your logic is unmatched.

You said Lewis beat Carlos not me.....doubling down on being wrong is great though :-D

[Brembo]

The races are great! No sure winner till it's over. I hope Carlos doesn't get Rubenized and vise versa with Charles.I don't believe Russell is beating Lewis for real.

[PURE PASSION]

The rose-coloured glasses distorts reality. Hamilton had us beat from 18th if it wasn’t for their engine issues.

How do you say that ,when they say that Sainz lost ALMOST 1 S due to floor damage . And as Max DRS problem, well he couldn't pass Rus BUT had better pace. So ,YES we lost points here BUT Lec had the best pace and Sainz was not to evaluate!!! IF Ves had a problem with the floor you would count it and say not to judge his pace but now you take Sainz as our ACTUAL pace????

[FerrariF60]

Not an opinion, he said Lewis beat us.....Lewis did not beat us. No opinion needed.

no Lewis did not beat us because he had overheating issues and Sainz passed him while merc was wounded, but had it NOT been for lewis/merc issues he would have finised ahead of sainz

just like Charles woudl have won the race if he hadn't had turbo issues....but he did....so what's your point....

[ferrari1.8t]

You said Lewis beat Carlos not me.....

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.

[RossTheBoss]

They had a floor upgrade, this package was still in the wind tunnel as they said at Imola.
Regardless, the form was excellent from Leclerc. It was good to see Ferrari being 2 and 3 tenths faster than the Red Bull, instead of the other way around and sitting ducks on the long straights. And it was also good that Sainz was good degradation wise, even with the damaged floor.

[Greig]

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.


Max and Carlos had the same issue, yet one won the race while the other got beat by a midfield Merc who was in 18th place. What an argument to say Ferrari is ok :roll

Saying facts are facts when you can't admit you were wrong :rotfl

[RossTheBoss]

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.
Not defending Sainz, but his floor was damaged horribly and he was nursing the car most of the race. Consider where he fell back to and the damage, the car did well.

[RossTheBoss]

Yes yes. Carlos only lost because of a floor problem, but Lewis didn’t beat us because of an engine issue. Again, your logic is unmatched.
If Hamilton didn't have the engine issue and Carlos didn't damage his floor, there was no way Hamilton was catching him.

HotLapMode showed that the Mercedes were losing 6 tenths to Charles a lap, and Max was losing to 2.5.

[PURE PASSION]

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.

AND if you say Ham was 18th ,then Sainz was 11th with a damaged floor !!!

[Kyss4k]

We gained +- 78 points in the first 3 races. Imagine how much more can we gain in that long season? (Not your kind of thinking is it? Miss me with your pessimism.)

Well we are on a downward curve, that's the issue you see?

[PURE PASSION]

Well we are on a downward curve, that's the issue you see?

why you take that for granted !!! Why you always have to take things (bad for us ) for ganted ????Like this cannot change . See we that we try to stay optimistic ( as much as we can) NEVER say that we WILL win the champioship and things like this when we win , but you are ALWAYS take for grated that we will loose !!!

[Brembo]

Ferrari at lerst is in teh racce up frount big time. It's stiel earlie enough to do a WCC.

[RossTheBoss]

Well we are on a downward curve, that's the issue you see?
Last year Hamilton was 43 points behind Max after Austria, Red Bull had the same interval over Mercedes in the WCC, and Red Bull had won 5 races in a row. It seemed impossible for Mercedes to close the gap, and then Silverstone and Hungary happened.

2 or 3 races in a row of Ferrari winning and some bad luck for Red Bull can easily turn things around.

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc is on #2 across the board with regards to components allocations allotment.....ICE, MGU-H, TC, and MGU-K as mentioned.

IF Leclerc experienced a turbo failure or MGU-H failure or both, it will be #3 for Leclerc......after that its grid spot penalties.

Same goes for Sainz as well.


Max is on #1 for the components mentioned.

Checo is on #2 in the TC and MGU-H.

[Silent Bob]

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.

But you have to also be reasonable with the facts. Hamilton had a problem on 2 laps.of a 66 lap.race. Carlos had problems for 65 laps. I'm disappointed in Carlos but at least argue apples with apples and not disregard the fact that the Ferrari wasn't damaged.

And facts would also have shown that red Bull would have had no.chance at 1-2 without Leclercs DNF.

[Silent Bob]

Well we are on a downward curve, that's the issue you see?

Really? It looked to me like Ferrari brought updates that put us back in front. Unfortunately no one can predict when reliability decides to play its hand.

[Silent Bob]

What a child…lose an argument and start to play games “I know you are but what am I” lol

Facts are facts. RedBull came 1-2 with issues, Hamilton passed Carlos from 18th, the spot would have stuck if not for an issue. Twist it any way you like.

But you have to also be reasonable with the facts. Hamilton had a problem on 2 laps.of a 66 lap.race. Carlos had problems for 65 laps. I'm disappointed in Carlos but at least argue apples with apples and not disregard the fact that the Ferrari was damaged.

And facts would also have shown that red Bull would have had no.chance at 1-2 without Leclercs DNF.

[WS6TransAm01]

Can’t wait for Charles to crash out of the race next Sunday like he always does in Monaco.

If he does it again, he would have gone for a 40 point lead to being 30 points behind.

This blows.

[scudieros]

shame about the dnf for Charles, he was in full control until then, and lack of safety cars would have made sure he won that race. Carlos has a lot of learning to do, he isn't happy with this car, yes today he was unlucky with the wind, but keeps getting anti-stall at starts and ruins his races. he needs to work on those. We can swing back the drivers I am sure but the constructors will be harder. Checo is doing a good job for RB, we need Carlos to do the same for us.

I am happy we are back at the front even though it is by a very small margin, Monaco should be better for us, but Charles is unlucky there, so let's see.

Being positive we could look at Max catching up a big deficit after 2 dnfs, we should b able to capitalise if we have the reliability. Good news is that the upgrades worked, and with great simulator work we can find a good setup, including when tyre wear looks pretty bad.

I still have hope for this season, but we must not give away easy points when we can manage it.


Forza Ferrari Sempre

[Liscia]

There is no faulting Charles in Spain but the car let him down. Carlos can and must do better
but car reliability has to be THERE. Developments seem to be working but all must come TOGETHER..
RB lucked into a 1-2 that coulda woulda shoulda been ours:( Better days ahead!

[tpe]

1. Ferrari executed extremely fast pit stops. Improved from the last races
2. CS had issues, he couldn't even close the gap to Bottas
3. CS has to fix his starts and he has to relax, no PP nor win will come from frustration
4. Merc closed the gap, yes, but it's still slower. Much slower.
5. Upgrade package looked good.
6. Looks like we tyres are not an issue anymore
7. CL has to focus and stay calm next week

[Ferrarichamp]

The races are great! No sure winner till it's over. I hope Carlos doesn't get Rubenized and vise versa with Charles.I don't believe Russell is beating Lewis for real.

Brembo, all your posts can be summed up with 4 words:

Lewis, Mercedes, Rubenized, Masi.

[Ferrarichamp]

It all looked so good for Charles until lap 27, I've always said we shouldn't jinx things by enjoying another driver's problems with DRS or whatever, it can come back to bite us and it did today. We needed that win and decent points from Carlos, but it all went horribly wrong. Charles was very mature about it and let's hope that his Monaco jinx won't add to our problems next weekend. Losing the championships leads is hard to take, but I'm not going to slag off the team, a 2.2sec pit-stop is good going, making it harder to accept it was all for nothing. Hope the ICE can be salvaged, Charles is still positive despite such a massive disappointment.:-s

I hope Ferrari engineers are aware of this. There was nothing actually wrong with Charles' PU, it only failed because we 'jinxed' it :-E

[faloupas]

No matter what i said before, i had a little hope that this year it could be our year...Many times i hope that this team will prove that i am wrong...
Really sad and disappointed today...
I dont know what is next...
It is not a matter of one think...it is all together... upgrades,Carlos,bad luck...like we are going again to suffer all these years as we suffered before Michael s title in 2000.

[nani_s23]

The fuel rule has changed since the Miami GP after a team vetoed against it in Barcelona. It is said to be Ferrari.

In the first 5 races, the fuel temp was fixed at 18 degrees. Now, the minimum is 10 degrees below the outside temp measured 2h before the start.

#AMus

Mercedes and Honda get problems with their engines in hot races if the fuel temperature rises too much. This can cause damage and cost performance as the fuel heats up over the course of the race. The Ferrari engines apparently have no problem with it.

It is therefore in the interest of the teams with Mercedes and Honda engines to cool down the fuel as much as possible beforehand. Because with a lower starting value, it stays cooler over the entire race

[Grinsomx]

this place is horrible when things are not going 100% our way.

Is it that hard to see that today was mostly just bad luck?
Charles had a free pit stop, that is how dominant he was before the car gave up.
Even a great car can fail.

[Cavallino]

this place is horrible when things are not going 100% our way.

Is it that hard to see that today was mostly just bad luck?
Charles had a free pit stop, that is how dominant he was before the car gave up.
Even a great car can fail.

like i said in another thread i think you have to go back to Italy 2020 for a mechanical dnf, and russia 2020 for a pu related failure. Unless I'm mistakin

[TTRSMAD]

like i said in another thread i think you have to go back to Italy 2020 for a mechanical dnf, and russia 2020 for a pu related failure. Unless I'm mistakin

This year it seems they are adopting a different strategy with the PU. They said they would be using 4 which let you understand they are going to be pushing the limits.

It's a gamble but if they want to compete with Honda they have to push it or else they fall behind.

[Cavallino]

This year it seems they are adopting a different strategy with the PU. They said they would be using 4 which let you understand they are going to be pushing the limits.

It's a gamble but if they want to compete with Honda they have to push it or else they fall behind.

in the age of tracks with more and longer straights, with overpowered DRS zones, and the "reliability loophole", this is the correct strategy ( as Mercedes demonstrated last season).

[ntukza]

WCC Standings:

RedBull 195
Ferrari 169
Mercedes 120

Huge uphill battle for us from here. The gap is huge to Redbull, and if Ferrari; Saniz specifically doesn’t wake up; we will end up 3rd before we know it.

Nah you're being sensational. The last three races have shown us how quickly a big gap (bigger than this one) can close, and there's still so many races to go. The gap itself is not a worry right now. The worry is our engine's reliability and Carlos Sainz.

[ntukza]

only ONE.....im greedy, i WANT ALL 3

Me too!

[ntukza]

The races are great! No sure winner till it's over. I hope Carlos doesn't get Rubenized and vise versa with Charles. I don't believe Russell is beating Lewis for real .

Of course you don't.

[ntukza]

no Lewis did not beat us because he had overheating issues and Sainz passed him while merc was wounded, but had it NOT been for lewis/merc issues he would have finised ahead of sainz

just like Charles woudl have won the race if he hadn't had turbo issues....but he did....so what's your point....

But were it not for Sainz' damaged floor Lewis wouldn't have caught him in the first place let alone pass him. So now where does that leave this discussion. :-)

[tpe]

Also, you need to remember that RB changed it's strategy to 3 stops because of the issues with the DRS.
This helped Mercedes to look better, so we don't know for sure.
Bacu will show us a better picture

[paolo lalli]

There isa lot of hype around mercedes i don't believe that they are in a position to challenge redbull and ferrari.Mercedes would have finished 50 seconds behind Charles at the chequered flag thats around 7 tenths a lap over 66 laps, if that's a challenger then iam the pope
.Even Russell could not pass max with a faulty DRS and a very messy race, so no champagne yet.The mercedes actually was very poor in Spain simple as that.I will say it again max got lucky and very lucky at that.

[killer]

Great pace. These things happen.

Max DRStappen.

[stefa]

Brembo, all your posts can be summed up with 4 words:

Lewis, Mercedes, Rubenized, Masi.

He is troll. I don't know why mods are allowing him to do that here! If I was to ask he'll be banned long time ago!

[PURE PASSION]

Pérez: "Ferrari was dominating this weekend, we weren't up to their pace - but they are also making mistakes, and that allowed us to get in front. It was a shame for Charles for his issue, he was going to win."

He's not wrong. ��*♀️

[stefa]

Pérez: "Ferrari was dominating this weekend, we weren't up to their pace - but they are also making mistakes, and that allowed us to get in front. It was a shame for Charles for his issue, he was going to win."

He's not wrong. ��*♀️

He is, but it is should, could, would... It over... Sadly. I hope that is for CL bad luck and now only good things!

[Brembo]

Brembo, all your posts can be summed up with 4 words:

Lewis, Mercedes, Rubenized, Masi.

How would you know unless you read all my posts? Good to know your interested. You left out my favorite drivers Charles hopefully WDC and Carlos right up there. And yeah I really dislike team orders. I think how a driver must feel fighting to be up front only to be told to "Let him Pass!" Make it 6 words! Add in Mick and George! :rotfl F1 is great !

[burak karaküdük]

The fuel rule has changed since the Miami GP after a team vetoed against it in Barcelona. It is said to be Ferrari.

In the first 5 races, the fuel temp was fixed at 18 degrees. Now, the minimum is 10 degrees below the outside temp measured 2h before the start.

#AMus

Mercedes and Honda get problems with their engines in hot races if the fuel temperature rises too much. This can cause damage and cost performance as the fuel heats up over the course of the race. The Ferrari engines apparently have no problem with it.

It is therefore in the interest of the teams with Mercedes and Honda engines to cool down the fuel as much as possible beforehand. Because with a lower starting value, it stays cooler over the entire race

how it's possible even we did veto this rule. are not we only team that has veto . it seems it doesnt work anymore :( now if i am wrong please correct me this rule has been change completly right, not for only this race.

[PURE PASSION]

It just hit me .
Lec didn't just loose 26 points to Ves ,but 7 more from Ves inherited the 1st place.
So Lec DNF was almost equal to Ves 2 DNFs points wise!!!

[Super M]

It just hit me .
Lec didn't just loose 26 points to Ves ,but 7 more from Ves inherited the 1st place.
So Lec DNF was almost equal to Ves 2 DNFs points wise!!!


i'm not with you here.

Bahrain - Vers lost 18 points for a def 2nd place in that GP
Australia - Vers lost 18 points for a def 2nd place in that GP

So, essentially Verstappen lost 36 points to Leclerc.

Leclerc lost 25 points to Verstappen in yesterdays GP ( Albeit Verstappen was gifted the victory )

Help me understand how you worked your theory out ? :-P

[PURE PASSION]

i'm not with you here.

Bahrain - Vers lost 18 points for a def 2nd place in that GP
Australia - Vers lost 18 points for a def 2nd place in that GP

So, essentially Verstappen lost 36 points to Leclerc.

Leclerc lost 25 points to Verstappen in yesterdays GP ( Albeit Verstappen was gifted the victory )

Help me understand how you worked your theory out ? :-P
Leclerc lost 25 prints for his victory + 1 for fastest lap (ok I assume this ,but it was the most possible from his pace)
So himself lost 26 points
And Ves gained another 7 for finishing 1st and not 2nd.
SO If lec had finished regularly he would take 26 and Ves 18.
LEC would have 130p and Ves 104p !!

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1528686454498545666?t=8BlGhFKsfKCtjWQfUjljCg&s=19

Ain't that great :furious

[Super M]

Leclerc lost 25 prints for his victory + 1 for fastest lap (ok I assume this ,but it was the most possible from his pace)
So himself lost 26 points
And Ves gained another 7 for finishing 1st and not 2nd.
SO If lec had finished regularly he would take 26 and Ves 18.


Yeah i get you chain of thought, But then you also gotta look at what Verstappen lost to Leclerc in Bahrain and Australia. That's 36 points to Leclerc's 26 ( Add in fastest lap for yesterday)

So in a nutshell, We still 10 points in our favour.......:-D

[PURE PASSION]

Yeah i get you chain of thought, But then you also gotta look at what Verstappen lost to Leclerc in Bahrain and Australia. That's 36 points to Leclerc's 26 ( Add in fastest lap for yesterday)

So in a nutshell, We still 10 points in our favour.......:-D

In Bahrain/ Australia Lec didn't gain anything more from Ves DNFs .Just the 36 points that Ves lost retiring from 2 2nd places. Now Lec not only lost the 26 points that he would take but also 7 more points because Ves would take 18 points for finishing 2nd and now he took 25!!!!
And that up and see that he actually lost 33 points to Ves. It's simple math .

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc's [cough] [cough] history at the Monaco track......:lou :Hmm

• 2017 F2 Feature Race -- DNF, Suspension
• 2017 F2 Sprint Race -- DNF, Electrical
• 2018 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Brake Failure
• 2019 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Puncture and Damage
• 2021 F1 Monaco GP -- DNS, Left Driveshaft
• 2022 F1 Monaco Historique - DNF, Brake failure

Think he can break it this weekend.....time will tell.

[PURE PASSION]

Leclerc's [cough] [cough] history at the Monaco track......:lou :Hmm

• 2017 F2 Feature Race -- DNF, Suspension
• 2017 F2 Sprint Race -- DNF, Electrical
• 2018 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Brake Failure
• 2019 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Puncture and Damage
• 2021 F1 Monaco GP -- DNS, Left Driveshaft
• 2022 F1 Monaco Historique - DNF, Brake failure

Think he can break it this weekend.....time will tell.
No ,say the actual word ,not cough!!!:-D

[WS6TransAm01]

There are positives to be taken away from this weekend for sure, but you can't deny Ferrari's propensity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in previous years and the similarities to those years.

- Fast car from the onset
- Lack of development or development that doesn't work
- Drivers' mistakes
- Reliability problems


Leclerc's [cough] [cough] history at the Monaco track......:lou :Hmm

• 2017 F2 Feature Race -- DNF, Suspension
• 2017 F2 Sprint Race -- DNF, Electrical
• 2018 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Brake Failure
• 2019 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Puncture and Damage
• 2021 F1 Monaco GP -- DNS, Left Driveshaft
• 2022 F1 Monaco Historique - DNF, Brake failure

Think he can break it this weekend.....time will tell.

On the one hand, he already had a crash in Monaco in 2022, so maybe that was the one for this year.

On the other hand I fully expect Max to win in Monaco after Charles crashes out again.

[PURE PASSION]

There are positives to be taken away from this weekend for sure, but you can't deny Ferrari's propensity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in previous years and the similarities to those years.

- Fast car from the onset
- Lack of development or development that doesn't work
- Drivers' mistakes
- Reliability problems



On the one hand, he already had a crash in Monaco in 2022, so maybe that was the one for this year.

On the other hand I fully expect Max to win in Monaco after Charles crashes out again.

So competitive/ fast we where only on 2018 and not exactly that much. Merc had the upper hand more times then RedBull this year ,but let's say close enough. And then yes we lost from our luck of successful upgrade in the 2nd part of the year. BUT for me this year is a different team (different mentality) so I have high hopes (but still hopes not certainty) that we don't repeat those mistakes. The team have being talking about the importance of the upgrade Race with these new cars. Till now I know that a lot of you expected more and have other things in your mind ,but I see that we haven't really outpaced ,we are there fighting for wins / podiums every single race. And this is a long season with the budget cap in mind. Even if clearly ger outpaced from the other and their upgrades, who knows what will happen if the 2nd part of the year and if we have a plan to develop more then when 1st the others might have reach end on their budgets and can bring any significant upgrades, and 2nd we will have a clearly view of the upgrade path from understanding better the car.
EVERYTHING is on the table till the end of the season, GOOD and BAD !!!

[PURE PASSION]

There are positives to be taken away from this weekend for sure, but you can't deny Ferrari's propensity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in previous years and the similarities to those years.

- Fast car from the onset
- Lack of development or development that doesn't work
- Drivers' mistakes
- Reliability problems



On the one hand, he already had a crash in Monaco in 2022, so maybe that was the one for this year.

On the other hand I fully expect Max to win in Monaco after Charles crashes out again.

So competitive/ fast we where only on 2018 and not exactly that much. Merc had the upper hand more times then RedBull this year ,but let's say close enough. And then yes we lost from our luck of successful upgrade in the 2nd part of the year. BUT for me this year is a different team (different mentality) so I have high hopes (but still hopes not certainty) that we don't repeat those mistakes. The team have being talking about the importance of the upgrade Race with these new cars. Till now I know that a lot of you expected more and have other things in your mind ,but I see that we haven't really outpaced ,we are there fighting for wins / podiums every single race. And this is a long season with the budget cap in mind. Even if clearly ger outpaced from the other and their upgrades, who knows what will happen if the 2nd part of the year and if we have a plan to develop more then when 1st the others might have reach end on their budgets and can bring any significant upgrades, and 2nd we will have a clearly view of the upgrade path from understanding better the car.
EVERYTHING is on the table till the end of the season, GOOD and BAD !!!

[alfaromeo]

Do we officially already know what went wrong with the Ferrari powertrain (16) ?? What will happen after the failure of pu2 ..?

[stefa]

Yeah i get you chain of thought, But then you also gotta look at what Verstappen lost to Leclerc in Bahrain and Australia. That's 36 points to Leclerc's 26 ( Add in fastest lap for yesterday)

So in a nutshell, We still 10 points in our favour.......:-D

Yeap, but that kind of math is not used in WDC and CWC standing calculations

[aroutis]

How would you know unless you read all my posts? Good to know your interested. You left out my favorite drivers Charles hopefully WDC and Carlos right up there. And yeah I really dislike team orders. I think how a driver must feel fighting to be up front only to be told to "Let him Pass!" Make it 6 words! Add in Mick and George! :rotfl F1 is great !

If you don't like team orders, find another sport to watch
Team orders is part of this sport since its inception. Both drivers drive for the team; team is what comes first.
Really simple.

[aroutis]

Leclerc's [cough] [cough] history at the Monaco track......:lou :Hmm

• 2017 F2 Feature Race -- DNF, Suspension
• 2017 F2 Sprint Race -- DNF, Electrical
• 2018 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Brake Failure
• 2019 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Puncture and Damage
• 2021 F1 Monaco GP -- DNS, Left Driveshaft
• 2022 F1 Monaco Historique - DNF, Brake failure

Think he can break it this weekend.....time will tell.
I expect Charles to win, in a dominant way. Usually after an unfortunate thing, he comes back stronger; I don't see why not here, especially with a very strong car like this year.
But It's crucial that Carlos gets P2 so he defends on first corners against Max.

[aroutis]

Leclerc's [cough] [cough] history at the Monaco track......:lou :Hmm

• 2017 F2 Feature Race -- DNF, Suspension
• 2017 F2 Sprint Race -- DNF, Electrical
• 2018 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Brake Failure
• 2019 F1 Monaco GP -- DNF, Puncture and Damage
• 2021 F1 Monaco GP -- DNS, Left Driveshaft
• 2022 F1 Monaco Historique - DNF, Brake failure

Think he can break it this weekend.....time will tell.
I expect Charles to win, in a dominant way. Usually after an unfortunate thing, he comes back stronger; I don't see why not here, especially with a very strong car like this year.
But It's crucial that Carlos gets P2 so he defends on first corners against Max.

[MSC Fan]

I hope Charles stays calm and just finishes. Even P3 or P2 is better than planting into the barrier (winning would be the best result but given his track record in Monaco, setting low expectations is definitely the least disappointing).

Carlos had always been wonderful in Monaco, I hope that'll do wonders to his confidence and he finally starts beating Perez.

[farid-baku]

I expected 1-2 in Monaco for Ferrari

[WS6TransAm01]

So competitive/ fast we where only on 2018 and not exactly that much. Merc had the upper hand more times then RedBull this year ,but let's say close enough. And then yes we lost from our luck of successful upgrade in the 2nd part of the year. BUT for me this year is a different team (different mentality) so I have high hopes (but still hopes not certainty) that we don't repeat those mistakes. The team have being talking about the importance of the upgrade Race with these new cars. Till now I know that a lot of you expected more and have other things in your mind ,but I see that we haven't really outpaced ,we are there fighting for wins / podiums every single race. And this is a long season with the budget cap in mind. Even if clearly ger outpaced from the other and their upgrades, who knows what will happen if the 2nd part of the year and if we have a plan to develop more then when 1st the others might have reach end on their budgets and can bring any significant upgrades, and 2nd we will have a clearly view of the upgrade path from understanding better the car.
EVERYTHING is on the table till the end of the season, GOOD and BAD !!!

It's far more than 2018 only.

2006; arguably Michael lost the championship when his engine blew up in Japan. His multiple crashes in Hungary when Alonso was out of the race also didn't help.
2008; Massa's pit stop failure in Singapore cost him the title in light of Timo's curtsy to Two Chains
2010; bad pit stop timing in Abu Dhabi had him trapped behind Petrov

Ferrari have had other bright beginnings only to see things implode later on. I just it doesn't happen again.

Let's see if Charles can keep the car out of the wall this coming weekend, it will be good indication that his season is back on track or no.

[stefa]

It's far more than 2018 only.

2006; arguably Michael lost the championship when his engine blew up in Japan. His multiple crashes in Hungary when Alonso was out of the race also didn't help.
2008; Massa's pit stop failure in Singapore cost him the title in light of Timo's curtsy to Two Chains
2010; bad pit stop timing in Abu Dhabi had him trapped behind Petrov

Ferrari have had other bright beginnings only to see things implode later on. I just it doesn't happen again.

Let's see if Charles can keep the car out of the wall this coming weekend, it will be good indication that his season is back on track or no.

I would just add. Hungaroring 2008, I was at the track, Massa comfortable at the lead, 3 more laps, and than engine blow up. I was crushed!

[PURE PASSION]

It's far more than 2018 only.

2006; arguably Michael lost the championship when his engine blew up in Japan. His multiple crashes in Hungary when Alonso was out of the race also didn't help.
2008; Massa's pit stop failure in Singapore cost him the title in light of Timo's curtsy to Two Chains
2010; bad pit stop timing in Abu Dhabi had him trapped behind Petrov

Ferrari have had other bright beginnings only to see things implode later on. I just it doesn't happen again.

Let's see if Charles can keep the car out of the wall this coming weekend, it will be good indication that his season is back on track or no.

Aaahh ,I thought you where ranking about the new Hybrid area!!

[PURE PASSION]

I would just add. Hungaroring 2008, I was at the track, Massa comfortable at the lead, 3 more laps, and than engine blow up. I was crushed!

:-(

[WS6TransAm01]

I would just add. Hungaroring 2008, I was at the track, Massa comfortable at the lead, 3 more laps, and than engine blow up. I was crushed!

Forgot about that. That was soul crushing.


Aaahh ,I thought you where ranking about the new Hybrid area!!

I'm just trying to establish the team's MO. So yes, it wasn't limited to the sucky engine era. This sequence of events seems be repeat itself all too often. Once is often enough, but it's way more than once unfortunately and its heart breaking to see.

I really Really REALLY hope this isn't another one of those years. Few things would make me happier than seeing Charles seal his first WDC in Texas.

[jgonzalesm6]

It's far more than 2018 only.

2006; arguably Michael lost the championship when his engine blew up in Japan. His multiple crashes in Hungary when Alonso was out of the race also didn't help.
2008; Massa's pit stop failure in Singapore cost him the title in light of Timo's curtsy to Two Chains
2010; bad pit stop timing in Abu Dhabi had him trapped behind Petrov

Ferrari have had other bright beginnings only to see things implode later on. I just it doesn't happen again.

Let's see if Charles can keep the car out of the wall this coming weekend, it will be good indication that his season is back on track or no.

Massa had 2 DNF's in the beginning of the season versus Lewis's 1 DNF for the whole season. Take out the Singapore debacle and the Glock at Interlagos issue, it's POSSIBLE Massa could have won 2008.

[Aziz]

Just saw a post on IG saying that the only team who ever lost a 40+ point lead in a championship is Ferrari, not once but twice, in 2012 and 2022. Can this be true?

[PURE PASSION]

Just saw a post in IG saying that the only team who ever lost a 40+ point lead in a championship is Ferrari, not once but twice, in 2012 and 2022. Can this be true?

Don't think Alo had ever a 40p lead
But Vet had (around 40 ) till German GP in 2018..
But this isn't a big deal because 40p are 1,5 wins with equal DNFs just what happend.
So possibly will happen again (hope not to us)

[KimiBot]

Just saw a post in IG saying that the only team who ever lost a 40+ point lead in a championship is Ferrari, not once but twice, in 2012 and 2022. Can this be true?

Fernando had over 50 point lead, I think it was 52 points.

[Brembo]

If you don't like team orders, find another sport to watch
Team orders is part of this sport since its inception. Both drivers drive for the team; team is what comes first.
Really simple.

Austria 2002 !!! Even for you that should be really simple. :rotfl Read your post. Both drivers drive for the team , same points for the team's WCC. on a 1,2. BTW Rubens turned 50 today! Enjoy the races!

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari confirm that Leclerc's retirement was due to a turbo and MGU-H failure.

[Tony]

So it seems the Ferrari, in the hands of Leclerc, is back to being the fastest on the grid. As for Carlos, recent reports are stating the characteristics of the car do not suit him and favor Leclerc more, so i expect him to continue to struggle until the next round of new parts...

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari confirm that Leclerc's retirement was due to a turbo and MGU-H failure.

:thumb

A bit more specific !!

#Corriere reports that the MGU-H and turbo are gone (PU2) but the ICE and MGU-K are safe.

"Analysis has led to the exclusion of design flaws or specific reliability problems of the two components, nor of other parts of the PU. No particular alarms are coming from Maranello."

[RossTheBoss]

Just saw a post on IG saying that the only team who ever lost a 40+ point lead in a championship is Ferrari, not once but twice, in 2012 and 2022. Can this be true?
After Austria last year Red Bull had 44 points over Mercedes, and Hamilton was 34 points behind Verstappen. Two races later, Hamilton was leading by 8 points and Mercedes had swung to leading the constructors by 4 points.

That just goes to show you how quickly things can change. And don't forget, after the sprint race in Brazil last year, Max was ahead of Hamilton by 23 points. It seemed unlikely Hamilton could close the gap a second time, and then Mercedes revealed their black magic engine mappings.

2-3 races is all it takes to heavily swing a championship. I told other Ferrari fans not get cocky after Melbourne, because it could swing away from the team easily. Now, Red Bull fans are the ones acting cocky, and they should beware not to do that.

16 races left people.

[WS6TransAm01]

Massa had 2 DNF's in the beginning of the season versus Lewis's 1 DNF for the whole season. Take out the Singapore debacle and the Glock at Interlagos issue, it's POSSIBLE Massa could have won 2008.

That's EXACTLY what I am getting at.

My point is that we have seen time and time again a glimmer of hope with a well designed car at the first race only to have the challenge for the title fall apart due to driver, worthless upgrades or team errors. I am not talking about unforced errors like Alonso getting taken out at Spa by Roman. I am saying that Ferrari has a history of imploding in years when the title is a real possibility and I fear it happening yet again.

I did forget about the engine giving up the ghost in Hungary. So it was two team screwups that cost Massa the title outside of Glock's antics.

[RossTheBoss]

That's EXACTLY what I am getting at.

My point is that we have seen time and time again a glimmer of hope with a well designed car at the first race only to have the challenge for the title fall apart due to driver, worthless upgrades or team errors. I am not talking about unforced errors like Alonso getting taken out at Spa by Roman. I am saying that Ferrari has a history of imploding in years when the title is a real possibility and I fear it happening yet again.

I did forget about the engine giving up the ghost in Hungary. So it was two team screwups that cost Massa the title outside of Glock's antics.
Massa's mistakes in Malaysia and Silverstone sealed his championship fate in 08', not just the engine failures and Singapore.

People forget Ferrari knew damn well Singapore had been fixed by Renault, and they just didn't have proof. But they kept quiet, took the defeat, and didn't protest over it. As opposed to the disgraceful way Mercedes behaved last year after losing.

[jgonzalesm6]

:thumb

A bit more specific !!

:thumb


That's EXACTLY what I am getting at.

My point is that we have seen time and time again a glimmer of hope with a well designed car at the first race only to have the challenge for the title fall apart due to driver, worthless upgrades or team errors. I am not talking about unforced errors like Alonso getting taken out at Spa by Roman. I am saying that Ferrari has a history of imploding in years when the title is a real possibility and I fear it happening yet again.

I did forget about the engine giving up the ghost in Hungary. So it was two team screwups that cost Massa the title outside of Glock's antics.

:thumb


Massa's mistakes in Malaysia and Silverstone sealed his championship fate in 08', not just the engine failures and Singapore.

.

:thumb

[djmorin27]

if ferrari dont make the two componets that failed on cl engine what does that mean.and when he takes his thrid turbo how many grid places does he have to take

[WS6TransAm01]

Massa's mistakes in Malaysia and Silverstone sealed his championship fate in 08', not just the engine failures and Singapore.

People forget Ferrari knew damn well Singapore had been fixed by Renault, and they just didn't have proof. But they kept quiet, took the defeat, and didn't protest over it. As opposed to the disgraceful way Mercedes behaved last year after losing.

Like I said, driver mistakes and team screw ups.

Yes the crash was setup by Renault, but Renault didn't tell Massa to drive away with the fuel hose still attached, did they? The staged Renault crash caused the pit stop, but the mess up was all Ferrari.

Maybe it's because I pay closer attention to them than anyone else as a fan, but it seems to me Ferrari are the implosion masters, and it sucks. I want it to change but the signs are not good. I hope I am wrong.

[jgonzalesm6]

if ferrari dont make the two componets that failed on cl engine what does that mean.and when he takes his thrid turbo how many grid places does he have to take

When Leclerc takes his 3rd turbo and MGU-H, nothing will happen with regards to grid places. It's when he takes his 4th turbo or MGU-H where grid penalties take effect. One component over the alloted 3 per season constitutes a 5 grid penalty placement. So a 4th turbo equals 5 grid places. Add a 4th MGU-H and that's 10 grid places if it's at the same race venue. Add a new ICE (4TH) and that's another 5 grid places IF at the same race venue. So 15 grid places for this example if at the same race venue.

[PURE PASSION]

��️ | Race Pace at the start of the Spanish GP, all on C3 (before VER and Carlos' spins, and after HAM's incident):

Charles 27.642 ��
VER 27.795 (+0.15s)
PER 28.322 (+0.68s)
Carlos 28.340 (+0.7s)
RUS 28.385 (+0.74s)
HAM 28.709 (+1.07s)

8032

[TTRSMAD]

��️ | Race Pace at the start of the Spanish GP, all on C3 (before VER and Carlos' spins, and after HAM's incident):

Charles 27.642 ��
VER 27.795 (+0.15s)
PER 28.322 (+0.68s)
Carlos 28.340 (+0.7s)
RUS 28.385 (+0.74s)
HAM 28.709 (+1.07s)

8032

By lap 7 Verstappen tires were falling off ours were still in the mid high 27. This was on a very hot track that is brutal on tires. Watching the inboards I was astonished of how slow they were going not to melt the tires.

Next race, we got this. Max downforce with best engine and traction, bring it home Charles.:pray

[nani_s23]

By lap 7 Verstappen tires were falling off ours were still in the mid high 27. This was on a very hot track that is brutal on tires. Watching the inboards I was astonished of how slow they were going not to melt the tires.

Next race, we got this. Max downforce with best engine and traction, bring it home Charles.:pray

Not only Monaco. We need couple of race wins to break RB’s momentum. Already they are crying about budget cap. So Mattia was right in this case. He’s using his upgrades wisely.

Hopefully there’s something up his sleeve to counter RB at high speed tracks. Let’s see.

[FerrariF60]

Not only Monaco. We need couple of race wins to break RB’s momentum. Already they are crying about budget cap. So Mattia was right in this case. He’s using his upgrades wisely.

Hopefully there’s something up his sleeve to counter RB at high speed tracks. Let’s see.

That’s what I been saying, how about we win the next 3....Monaco, Azerbaijan and Montreal (that’d make super happy) since I’ll be in Montreal this year

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