2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[tifosi1993]

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[jgonzalesm6]

Giuliano Duchessa

Ferrari: after using the PU1 in Monaco, the PU2 will return on board Leclerc's F1-75 (subjected to thorough checks after Barcelona which confirmed positive results), equipped with new MGU-H and Turbo.

[Toothlessrage*]

Giuliano Duchessa

Ferrari: after using the PU1 in Monaco, the PU2 will return on board Leclerc's F1-75 (subjected to thorough checks after Barcelona which confirmed positive results), equipped with new MGU-H and Turbo.

I just hope we have some luck here.

[Brembo]

It's great not knowing which driver will win and podium ! I believe the drivers also feel this way.

[aroutis]

It's great not knowing which driver will win and podium ! I believe the drivers also feel this way.

Don't worry, #1 is Charles as he has best chances to the WDC.

[FerrariF60]

It's great not knowing which driver will win and podium ! I believe the drivers also feel this way.

yah, carlos will be Rubinazed soon....stay tuned, it will happen

[ferrari1.8t]

It's great not knowing which driver will win and podium ! I believe the drivers also feel this way.

unbelievable.

[Gilles]

It's great not knowing which driver will win and podium ! I believe the drivers also feel this way.

A clue :
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34732-2022-Spanish-GP-Post-Race-Analysis?p=1062861#post1062861

[WS6TransAm01]

Let's hope we don't get the typical Ferrari pit wall this weekend and actually give Charles a chance at victory.

[Brembo]

yah, carlos will be Rubinazed soon....stay tuned, it will happen

Thanks for the heads up notice! A podium will then due O K. for Carlos.

[Brembo]

Don't worry, #1 is Charles as he has best chances to the WDC.

If you say so! O K with me. Ferrari is the team , that's what counts.

[Gilles]

Let's hope we don't get the typical Ferrari pit wall this weekend and actually give Charles a chance at victory.

We all here expect the car to be able to win, at least with Charles
The strategy could be an important factor due to the likely appearances of the safery car
Also, the car must be reliable and Carlos must finally find more speed, it is essential for him to manage to support Charles by being dangerous for RB and to accumulate points

[WS6TransAm01]

We all here expect the car to be able to win, at least with Charles
The strategy could be an important factor due to the likely appearances of the safery car
Also, the car must be reliable and Carlos must finally find more speed, it is essential for him to manage to support Charles by being dangerous for RB and to accumulate points

Charles isn't only competing against 18 other drivers and his team mate, he is also competing against the incompetence of his pit wall. The latter is a far more dangerous foe than the former.

He has a car which could lead him to victory that's for sure, but is the rest of the team up to the task? It's astonishing that the same team which designed and built a phenomenal car can, at the same time, be such a fuster cluck of screw-ups.

[FerrariF60]

Charles isn't only competing against 18 other drivers and his team mate, he is also competing against the incompetence of his pit wall. The latter is a far more dangerous foe than the former.

He has a car which could lead him to victory that's for sure, but is the rest of the team up to the task? It's astonishing that the same team which designed and built a phenomenal car can, at the same time, be such a fuster cluck of screw-ups.

very well said and put....i'm glad it's NOT just me that doesn't wear the "rosy pink glasses" adn think that all is good dandy and peachy.....well IT"S NOT.....the team as a whole has to pull its socks, work together better and ONLY then our golden boy Charles will win the CHAMPIONSHIP.....

here's hoping for a trouble free weekend, good car, good pit wall decisions.....and when all that is up to snuff....Charles will deliver

[Cavallino]

very well said and put....i'm glad it's NOT just me that doesn't wear the "rosy pink glasses" adn think that all is good dandy and peachy.....well IT"S NOT.....the team as a whole has to pull its socks, work together better and ONLY then our golden boy Charles will win the CHAMPIONSHIP.....

here's hoping for a trouble free weekend, good car, good pit wall decisions.....and when all that is up to snuff....Charles will deliver

i mean, yes you make you're own luck, but there's a lot that just hasn't gone our way. Rain suddenly at 3pm on Sunday, first mechanical failure in over a calendar year....

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari now have the fastest car, iam certain of this.Dr Death marko always has red bull up 2 to 3 tenths etc etc, the long Baku strait will show the ferrari speed and how the performance ladder has changed.I have a question mark on there Drs systems and weather it can be opened full without failure, something interesting to watch out for.

[Ferrarichamp]

We all here expect the car to be able to win, at least with Charles
The strategy could be an important factor due to the likely appearances of the safery car
Also, the car must be reliable and Carlos must finally find more speed, it is essential for him to manage to support Charles by being dangerous for RB and to accumulate points

Obviously Charles has the race wins, and Carlos made some mistakes, but even with these mistakes he managed 4 podiums so far, which is the same number as Charles. Carlos needs to cut out the errors.

[jgonzalesm6]

Well people, it's Pride Month and some teams are making aware of the LGBTQ community.

Mercedes have a mulit-colored 3 pointed star on the W13's nose.

Alpine have the rainbow on the spine of the engine cover.

Get your skittles, wonderbread folks..................please.:roll

[Brembo]

Obviously Charles has the race wins, and Carlos made some mistakes, but even with these mistakes he managed 4 podiums so far, which is the same number as Charles. Carlos needs to cut out the errors.

Carlos needs Ferrari to let him know he's allowed to race Charles and the errors will disappear . 4 podiums and soon a win!

[jgonzalesm6]

I wonder if Mohammed ben Sulayem (FIA Director) would let these teams, the ones with the LGBTQ awareness, run their LGBTQ awareness stickers at Jeddah??? Abu Dhabi???? Bahrain????


I doubt it.

Reporter asks: "So MBS, what's your PERSONAL view of some of the F1 teams running the LGBTQ awareness stickers on their cars for Pride Month??"

MBS response: "No comment!!!"

[FerrariF60]

Carlos needs Ferrari to let him know he's allowed to race Charles and the errors will disappear . 4 podiums and soon a win!

He’s the new Barrichelo, the #2 driver....even if he is ALLOWED to race Leclerc, he can’t touch him by a LONG mile

He needs to settle down in his #2 spot and be a good wing man to Charles, otherwise Ferrari can rip the new contract out the window and bring Gasly in....

[WS6TransAm01]

Well people, it's Pride Month and some teams are making aware of the LGBTQ community.

Mercedes have a mulit-colored 3 pointed star on the W13's nose.

Alpine have the rainbow on the spine of the engine cover.

Get your skittles, wonderbread folks..................please.:roll

That’s why the canceled the whole Monkey Pox thing. It had a scheduling conflict with pride month.

[WS6TransAm01]

I wonder if Mohammed ben Sulayem (FIA Director) would let these teams, the ones with the LGBTQ awareness, run their LGBTQ awareness stickers at Jeddah??? Abu Dhabi???? Bahrain????


I doubt it.

Reporter asks: "So MBS, what's your PERSONAL view of some of the F1 teams running the LGBTQ awareness stickers on their cars for Pride Month??"

MBS response: "No comment!!!"

All you have to do is get a VPN and change your region to Middle East or Asia then go to these companies’ websites. Zero change to logos. It’s just virtue signaling.

Like Disney tweeting about not being racist but taking the black guy off the poster for the Chinese release of The Rise of Skywalker.

[WS6TransAm01]

i mean, yes you make you're own luck, but there's a lot that just hasn't gone our way. Rain suddenly at 3pm on Sunday, first mechanical failure in over a calendar year....

That's not really luck though is it, good or bad when viewed from Ferrari's perspective? All the teams have the same weather radar, they all knew about the rain. It wasn't bad luck that screwed up the strategy, it was human error. Human error which went unpunished and therefore is bound to happen again. That's not bad luck, that's incompetence and poor leadership.

Charles' engine failure was lucky for RBR, but it wasn't bad luck on the part of Ferrari. Ferrari designed and hand built the engine. I am sure they MP inspect all the parts and check the metallurgy, have a cleanroom where the engines are assembled and so on. So it's either a QC failure or a design failure. Either way, again, human error.

It's easy to call it bad luck when you don't want to assign blame, but that is escapism.

[aroutis]

That's not really luck though is it, good or bad when viewed from Ferrari's perspective? All the teams have the same weather radar, they all knew about the rain. It wasn't bad luck that screwed up the strategy, it was human error. Human error which went unpunished and therefore is bound to happen again. That's not bad luck, that's incompetence and poor leadership.

Charles' engine failure was lucky for RBR, but it wasn't bad luck on the part of Ferrari. Ferrari designed and hand built the engine. I am sure they MP inspect all the parts and check the metallurgy, have a cleanroom where the engines are assembled and so on. So it's either a QC failure or a design failure. Either way, again, human error.

It's easy to call it bad luck when you don't want to assign blame, but that is escapism.

Human errors are part of life.
Also, human errors are to be embraced in a production cycle if one expects improvement.
Otherwise , one is doomed.

So , if you're trying to say "oh frack, human error", which is what I am getting from your post, guess again.

As long as we'll learn something from an error (if indeed this is an error), I am ok with it.

[jgonzalesm6]

That's not really luck though is it, good or bad when viewed from Ferrari's perspective? All the teams have the same weather radar, they all knew about the rain. It wasn't bad luck that screwed up the strategy, it was human error. Human error which went unpunished and therefore is bound to happen again. That's not bad luck, that's incompetence and poor leadership.

Charles' engine failure was lucky for RBR, but it wasn't bad luck on the part of Ferrari. Ferrari designed and hand built the engine. I am sure they MP inspect all the parts and check the metallurgy, have a cleanroom where the engines are assembled and so on. So it's either a QC failure or a design failure. Either way, again, human error.

It's easy to call it bad luck when you don't want to assign blame, but that is escapism.

Agreed.


Human errors are part of life.
Also, human errors are to be embraced in a production cycle if one expects improvement.
Otherwise , one is doomed.

So , if you're trying to say "oh frack, human error", which is what I am getting from your post, guess again.

As long as we'll learn something from an error (if indeed this is an error), I am ok with it.

Given the track, the changing weather inclement.....requires a team to be HYPER alert instead of being "passive and reactive."

RedBull reacted with Perez because of Gasly and Seb changing to inters and the lap time difference between both drivers.

Ferrari reacted because of RedBull with Perez......2 laps later. Ferrari fell asleep.

Every team has the same data with regards to what other drivers are doing in lap times.

[Brembo]

He’s the new Barrichelo, the #2 driver....even if he is ALLOWED to race Leclerc, he can’t touch him by a LONG mile

He needs to settle down in his #2 spot and be a good wing man to Charles, otherwise Ferrari can rip the new contract out the window and bring Gasly in....

Your right about Charles being a #1 driver for sure. Charles just set a bad example for Carlos back when he got that Ferrari seat and beat hell out of Seb the #1 driver. Meanwhile as long as the big points come in with each driver I'm good with either 1,2 . In all actuality Micks bad luck driving is probably the only reason Carlos got his great $$$ contract. Enjoy the race!!

[WS6TransAm01]

Human errors are part of life.
Also, human errors are to be embraced in a production cycle if one expects improvement.
Otherwise , one is doomed.

So , if you're trying to say "oh frack, human error", which is what I am getting from your post, guess again.

As long as we'll learn something from an error (if indeed this is an error), I am ok with it.

You don't learn anything from human error if you don't take corrective action to ensure the same error doesn't happen again. Otherwise you keep effing up the same thing over and over and over and over. That is not improvement, that is stagnation. Have you seen Ferrari do anything to eliminate the same strategic errors they have been making for a decade? Have you seen anyone fired? No. There has been no improvement on the part of the strategists.

I am not saying "oh frack, human error" That is what you say about luck. You can't control that. You CAN control human error by eliminating the humans that make those errors and replacing them with those who don't. Or at the very least punishing those who made the error, let alone repeatedly make the same or similar errors.

There is zero room for error in this sport. ZERO. No error is acceptable. Remember how everyone got on Seb for constantly spinning the car? The pit walls keeps screwing up and it's okay, as long as we learn from it? Come on.

Like I said in other posts; "The reward for excellence is no punishment" Do you want to be go "okay" at something you do? Acceptable? Good? Excellent? or Elite? Excellent is the least acceptable level and the first one deserving of no punishment. Errors are to be punished because excellence does not allow for error.

[Brembo]

Excellent post! Error needs to get punishment to correct it. Example; too much garlic or not enough hot pepper in the gravy deserves a slap in the face to the chef .

[Cavallino]

You don't learn anything from human error if you don't take corrective action to ensure the same error doesn't happen again. Otherwise you keep effing up the same thing over and over and over and over. That is not improvement, that is stagnation. Have you seen Ferrari do anything to eliminate the same strategic errors they have been making for a decade? Have you seen anyone fired? No. There has been no improvement on the part of the strategists.

I am not saying "oh frack, human error" That is what you say about luck. You can't control that. You CAN control human error by eliminating the humans that make those errors and replacing them with those who don't. Or at the very least punishing those who made the error, let alone repeatedly make the same or similar errors.

There is zero room for error in this sport. ZERO. No error is acceptable. Remember how everyone got on Seb for constantly spinning the car? The pit walls keeps screwing up and it's okay, as long as we learn from it? Come on.

Like I said in other posts; "The reward for excellence is no punishment" Do you want to be go "okay" at something you do? Acceptable? Good? Excellent? or Elite? Excellent is the least acceptable level and the first one deserving of no punishment. Errors are to be punished because excellence does not allow for error.

i'm giving Binotto the benefit of the doubt (at least for now). Towards the end of let's call it the Arrivabene regime, we were having frequent reliability issues, and not only that, we would bolt updates onto the car, and they would make us slower.

Since Binotto took over, we've seen updates that actually make the car go better, ( the PU update last season, and the Spain update this season ), and we've haven't seen mechanical failures for over a year until Spain.

Now, once that isn't true anymore, then we have serious problems. ( also, i think this race is going to be the litmus test for our updates so far )

As for the weather, the point I was trying to make was, yes, Ferrari could have done better given that the rain came. But the point I'm making is the mere fact it decided to rain exactly at 3pm. If it didn't rain, I think every member on this forum knows how that race would have played out.

[WS6TransAm01]

i'm giving Binotto the benefit of the doubt (at least for now). Towards the end of let's call it the Arrivabene regime, we were having frequent reliability issues, and not only that, we would bolt updates onto the car, and they would make us slower.

Since Binotto took over, we've seen updates that actually make the car go better, ( the PU update last season, and the Spain update this season ), and we've haven't seen mechanical failures for over a year until Spain.

Now, once that isn't true anymore, then we have serious problems. ( also, i think this race is going to be the litmus test for our updates so far )

As for the weather, the point I was trying to make was, yes, Ferrari could have done better given that the rain came. But the point I'm making is the mere fact it decided to rain exactly at 3pm. If it didn't rain, I think every member on this forum knows how that race would have played out.

Binotto should be praised when he does something good, just as he should be criticized when he does something bad. One does not preclude the other. For instance, I praise him for getting the team to build a great car, at the same time, I can chastise him for failing to improve the group responsible for strategic calls during the race. I will praise him for the team developing upgrades that work, but I can also say that delaying their introduction was wrong and cost team points.

You can have both here.

We don't know how the race would have played out without rain, because we can't say, with any degree of certainty, that Ferrari would not have fallen into a similar trap and made similar mistakes. All we know is they did fall for the trap, and they did make the mistake and as far as I can tell that mistake has gone unpunished. This means that there no mechanism in place to prevent the same mistake happening again. I an sure they had a debrief and someone typed up an AAR, but the person responsible is still there as we have not heard otherwise.

[jgonzalesm6]

We don't know how the race would have played out without rain, because we can't say, with any degree of certainty, that Ferrari would not have fallen into a similar trap and made similar mistakes. All we know is they did fall for the trap, and they did make the mistake and as far as I can tell that mistake has gone unpunished.

Ferrari made 2 mistakes during the MonacoGP 2022:

First mistake was with Perez.

Second mistake was the double stack know the gap to Max was nearly impossible.

[Liscia]

Ignominy will be enough in this case and heads don't need to roll? They must learn from their mistakes, reset
and move on towards better?

[Cavallino]

Binotto should be praised when he does something good, just as he should be criticized when he does something bad. One does not preclude the other. For instance, I praise him for getting the team to build a great car, at the same time, I can chastise him for failing to improve the group responsible for strategic calls during the race. I will praise him for the team developing upgrades that work, but I can also say that delaying their introduction was wrong and cost team points.

You can have both here.

We don't know how the race would have played out without rain, because we can't say, with any degree of certainty, that Ferrari would not have fallen into a similar trap and made similar mistakes. All we know is they did fall for the trap, and they did make the mistake and as far as I can tell that mistake has gone unpunished. This means that there no mechanism in place to prevent the same mistake happening again. I an sure they had a debrief and someone typed up an AAR, but the person responsible is still there as we have not heard otherwise.

yeah, delaying upgrades and then still having a reliability issue when you first bring those upgrades, that looks bad. Our reliability has to be impeccable going forward.

[Cavallino]

meanwhile the Fizzy Drink company continues to make a farce out of the budget cap, with their 9th sidepod design.

[WS6TransAm01]

meanwhile the Fizzy Drink company continues to make a farce out of the budget cap, with their 9th sidepod design.

I never expected them to adhere to the cap.

[FerrariF60]

I never expected them to adhere to the cap.

So then why the fruck should we????

[jgonzalesm6]

meanwhile the Fizzy Drink company continues to make a farce out of the budget cap, with their 9th sidepod design.


I never expected them to adhere to the cap.


So then why the fruck should we????

The top 3 teams are not going to adhere to the cap. AMuS came out with an article about the logistics of Baku and Montreal. 2 races in 8 time zones. That's an additional budget cap issue.

Mick's crashes have made HAAS go over the budget cap.

There are teams, to include the top 3, that will go over the budget cap.

[WS6TransAm01]

So then why the fruck should we????

I asked that before as well and was just told off by a mod.

[ferrari1.8t]

So then why the fruck should we????

Because Greig thinks we should :roll

[FerrariF60]

Because Greig thinks we should :roll

ha, ha.....ROTFL

[aroutis]

Agreed.



Given the track, the changing weather inclement.....requires a team to be HYPER alert instead of being "passive and reactive."

RedBull reacted with Perez because of Gasly and Seb changing to inters and the lap time difference between both drivers.

Ferrari reacted because of RedBull with Perez......2 laps later. Ferrari fell asleep.

Every team has the same data with regards to what other drivers are doing in lap times.

Agreed. As I said. As long as they learn.

[aroutis]

You don't learn anything from human error if you don't take corrective action to ensure the same error doesn't happen again. Otherwise you keep effing up the same thing over and over and over and over. That is not improvement, that is stagnation. Have you seen Ferrari do anything to eliminate the same strategic errors they have been making for a decade? Have you seen anyone fired? No. There has been no improvement on the part of the strategists.

I am not saying "oh frack, human error" That is what you say about luck. You can't control that. You CAN control human error by eliminating the humans that make those errors and replacing them with those who don't. Or at the very least punishing those who made the error, let alone repeatedly make the same or similar errors.

There is zero room for error in this sport. ZERO. No error is acceptable. Remember how everyone got on Seb for constantly spinning the car? The pit walls keeps screwing up and it's okay, as long as we learn from it? Come on.

Like I said in other posts; "The reward for excellence is no punishment" Do you want to be go "okay" at something you do? Acceptable? Good? Excellent? or Elite? Excellent is the least acceptable level and the first one deserving of no punishment. Errors are to be punished because excellence does not allow for error.

Of course I have seen things happening and if you tell me you have not, you must be blind.
Everyone is bitter of how things went down at Monaco, but to reverse your question, is this team the same team to the one back in 2018-2019 quality wise?
No it is not.
This is why we 're erfed , because we simply did not expect that.
So now we expect this to be rectified.

[aroutis]

You CAN control human error by eliminating the humans that make those errors and replacing them with those who don't. Or at the very least punishing those who made the error, let alone repeatedly make the same or similar errors.
And that goes to show you have zero experience on crisis management.
This will happen only if this repeats (THIS YEAR) again and again.
And this is the first time we had this kind of screw up so no, this is not the way to do this.

[mihirshah28186]

It feels its the old Ferrari team again, starts off great but then starts to do mistakes, stops wining races and then looses the season.

[aroutis]

This means that there no mechanism in place to prevent the same mistake happening again
Wrong.
You can fix things without sacking people. There is what is called "lessons learned" in project management.

You check what happens , good and bad. Keep the good things, learn from the bad things and make procedures in order to make sure that bad things don't repeat.
Sacking occurs when errors keep happening.

Again, we're talking bout repetition in the SAME period.

[aroutis]

Mick's crashes have made HAAS go over the budget cap.
Says who? AMUS?
Do they have people in their books?

[jgonzalesm6]

Says who? AMUS?
Do they have people in their books?

Gunther Steiner. There are articles, not just from AMuS, and YouTube videos regarding Micks crashes for 2022 and how those crashes are at issue with the budget cap.

[jgonzalesm6]

New engine for Max Verstappen and Sergio Pérez in Baku. Same spec, their first change of the season.

Pérez already switched the turbo and MGU-H earlier. Verstappen still nothing, except replacement exhaust at the end of April.

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

Alpine runs a big upgrade in AzerbaijanGP with new wings, different sidepods and new beam wing.

[jgonzalesm6]

Bild - Not vaccinated - Rosberg is no longer allowed in the paddock of Formula 1.

[jgonzalesm6]

RacingNews365

Binotto plays down Ferrari title ambitions: That is not our aim.

https://racingnews365.com/binotto-plays-down-ferrari-title-ambitions-that-is-not-our-aim

[nani_s23]

RacingNews365

Binotto plays down Ferrari title ambitions: That is not our aim.

https://racingnews365.com/binotto-plays-down-ferrari-title-ambitions-that-is-not-our-aim

Then why we have given away 2years of development? Either he is try to ease of title pressure or something is wrong. Let’s see.

[jgonzalesm6]

Then why we have given away 2years of development? Either he is try to ease of title pressure or something is wrong. Let’s see.

Lack of confidence??? He's lost that winning attitude???? What the heck is he here for????

Not a good attitude with just 7 races in......and he's the TP!!!! I wonder what the sponsors will say to this.

[nani_s23]

Tech Upgrades Baku

Mercedes: Front Wing Flaps, Mirrors, Rear Wing Flap
Red Bull: Front Brake Cooling, Floor Stay, Floor Edge
Ferrari: Rear Wing, Mirrors
McLaren: Rear Wing, Bodywork (Cooling), Front Wing Flaps
Alpine: Sidepod Inlets, Rear Wing Flap, Beam Wing, Front Wing Flap
Alpha Tauri: Front Wing Flaps, Beam Wing
Aston Martin: ---
Williams: ---
Alfa Romeo: Front Wing Flaps, Rear Wing
Haas: ---

[nani_s23]

Lack of confidence??? He's lost that winning attitude???? What the heck is he here for????

Not a good attitude with just 7 races in......and he's the TP!!!! I wonder what the sponsors will say to this.

Yup my point is the same …. If we are not fighting for titles, then why are we in the sport?
I don’t see ruthlessness/aggressiveness in MB compared to Toto or CH.
wait & see approach doesn’t work every time.

He only mentioned at some point RB will stop developing their car. How can you count on your rivals development path? You should be doing your job. There is one driver giving his best & keeping the car on pole position, you give him more performance from the car that’s what you should focus on.

Now he comes up, there is budget constraint we need raise it a little bit. I’m confused with his statements.

I’m just doing wait & watch how the season progresses. For me Ferrari is in the sport fighting for title. not just to display themselves they are in the sport.

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc on Ferrari pace this weekend:

“We will lack a bit of straight-line speed in Baku compared to Red Bull so we have to see where we go with the setup.”

“We have a more competitive car than last year and I hope to keep first place if we take pole on Saturday!"

Charles Leclerc on Monaco GP

“We have analysed a lot. And we found the reasons why we made these mistakes. We got the answers we were looking for.”

“I am confident that we will not make these mistakes again. If we do everything perfectly, we should look good here in Baku."

[Aziz]

RB with no bouncing on straights

[drax]

We are bouncing a lot on that straight

[Kyss4k]

"We have no porpoising" and "We solved our porpoising problem" who here kept saying that to me when I said we are still bouncing? Look at that, LOOK AT THAT! :-E We didn't solve porposing at all and are losing more than half a second on the straight to Red Bull. This could get painful and I am actually worried that one of our guys could lose it in the final corner, as we are bouncing through all the way through it.

[subfire91]

are we using old or new floor ?

[Aziz]

"We have no porpoising" and "We solved our porpoising problem" who here kept saying that to me when I said we are still bouncing? Look at that, LOOK AT THAT! :-E We didn't solve porposing at all and are losing more than half a second on the straight to Red Bull. This could get painful and I am actually worried that one of our guys could lose it in the final corner, as we are bouncing through all the way through it.

We are on Hards

[Kyss4k]

We are on Hards

Last sector is nothing but straight mate, where we are bouncing for the whole time.

[Aziz]

Last sector is nothing but straight mate, where we are bouncing for the whole time.

It is what it is, we will probably not solve that problem before summer break

This is gonna be a really tough weekend I think.

And we are quite slower on the straights

[FerrariF60]

It is what it is, we will probably not solve that problem before summer break

This is gonna be a really tough weekend I think.

So HOW are we planning on fixing this porpoising FOR GOOD??
With a new rear suspension, another floor???

So far it looks like another easy win for red bull....if it is hopefully will be Perez again

[subfire91]

what troubles me the most is in the tracks we are clearly flying and we are the fastest by far all ***** starts to happen and we end up with nothing. in the tracks that suit redbulls they end up trailing.

[subfire91]

So HOW are we planning on fixing this porpoising FOR GOOD??
With a new rear suspension, another floor???

So far it looks like another easy win for red bull....if it is hopefully will be Perez again

was reduced with new floor and will be eliminated with new rear suspension. this is how re bull does it also with the rear suspension. porpoising cannot be eliminated by floor only

[Aziz]

was reduced with new floor and will be eliminated with new rear suspension. this is how re bull does it also with the rear suspension. porpoising cannot be eliminated by floor only

Yeah but the bulls anticipated porpoising, we did not, even if we had more time to develop this year car

[FerrariF60]

Yeah but the bulls anticipated porpoising, we did not, even if we had more time to develop this year car

Of course, it’s Newey at the HELM, enough said

[tifosi1993]

https://i.ibb.co/KbRy4nr/Screenshot-2022-06-10-181357.jpg

[elnano14]

We lost more in S1 compare to S3

[PURE PASSION]

OOOO Boy !!! The same old story . We are doomed from FP1 and we lost the champioship from the 8th race !!!! So why not stop watching the races ???!!! Or you guys love watching RedBulls dominating (bacause as i see ,for many of you , they are !!!)

[FerrariF60]

Ferrari usually runs more conservative in FP1 with engines turned down, as seen by trap speed

but what IS obvious, is that porpoising is still there and in order to gain more lap time we need to fix that as soon as possible
hopefully the supposed NEW SUSPENSION that will debut in Silverstone will fix that issue for good

lets see how we do in FP2

[faloupas]

Hoping for a win....but what i expect in real...?A Red Bull 1-2...
Lets hope that Ferrari will prove that i m wrong.
After 8 races the car is still the same...

[Cavallino]

Hoping for a win....but what i expect in real...?A Red Bull 1-2...
Lets hope that Ferrari will prove that i m wrong.
After 8 races the car is still the same...

"the car looks the same therefore it is the same"

are you trolling or just this dense?

[Cavallino]

5 kph in practice mode is not insurmountable

that was a ballsy lap from Perez, he almost crashed it

[ferrari1.8t]

So HOW are we planning on fixing this porpoising FOR GOOD??
With a new rear suspension, another floor???

So far it looks like another easy win for red bull....if it is hopefully will be Perez again

Mattia is waiting for Red Bull and Merc to run out of development money...by then the lead in both championships will be too far. Time to stop playing nice and start developing hard. We dont know what they are doing behind the scenes, but 7 races in and the car is still bouncing is worrisome. Anyway, still early in the weekend...lets see what we can do with the step up.

[Brembo]

The drivers need to say they are in too much pain from porpoising and cannot make the next race. Send out the reserves. It's impossible to believe F-1 tech folks can't cure it esp. during the 2 week waits between a race.

[FerrariF60]

any good links for FP2??

thanks

[Kyss4k]

Mattia is waiting for Red Bull and Merc to run out of development money...by then the lead in both championships will be too far. Time to stop playing nice and start developing hard. We dont know what they are doing behind the scenes, but 7 races in and the car is still bouncing is worrisome. Anyway, still early in the weekend...lets see what we can do with the step up.

That waiting strategy would work if we didn't lost so much points so far with competitive car, yep.

[ferrari1.8t]

any good links for FP2??

thanks

http://weakstreams.com/motor-sports/formula-one-world-championship/912/

[faloupas]

"the car looks the same therefore it is the same"

are you trolling or just this dense?

Haha...i never trolling.
Just really disappointed the last few races.
Speaking rarely here...dont wanna get banned again.

[458 Italia]

hamilton :lol

[tifosi1993]

Charles's sectors are pretty crazy already. Fastest in the S1, fastest in the S2 by a country mile and less than a tenth down in the S3.

[FerrariF60]

Charles's sectors are pretty crazy already. Fastest in the S1, fastest in the S2 by a country mile and less than a tenth down in the S3.

and i didn't see TOO much porpoising either,,,,,unless my eyes failed me....LOL

[tifosi1993]

and i didn't see TOO much porpoising either,,,,,unless my eyes failed me....LOL

Low drag RW helps a lot with the porpoising.

[ferrari1.8t]

and i didn't see TOO much porpoising either,,,,,unless my eyes failed me....LOL

.125 ahead of Pere, .468 ahead of Saniz. Nice laps from Charles, there is still some porpoising...

[elnano14]

Leclerc 2nd push lap without tow is still the fastest one

[RossTheBoss]

Finally, Ferrari brings out the upgraded low drag rear wing. Looks like it helped.

[FerrariF60]

.125 ahead of Pere, .468 ahead of Saniz. Nice laps from Charles, there is still some porpoising...

yeah, there is, but NOT as bad as in FP1

[tifosi1993]

Combining all of Charles's best sector gives: 1:43.410

[FerrariF60]

checo is mighty quick too.....lets hope it remains him out of the 2 bulls drivers and NOT Maxipad

[RossTheBoss]

Red Bull seemed to think their rear wing was breaching the regs if the legality tests they were conducting are any indicator.

[FerrariF60]

checo is mighty quick too.....lets hope it remains him out of the 2 bulls drivers and NOT Maxipad

damn, spoke TOO soon

[ferrari1.8t]

Monster lap from charles.... 1:43.224

[ferrari1.8t]

Red Bull seemed to think their rear wing was breaching the regs if the legality tests they were conducting are any indicator.

They are ratting themselves out?

[tifosi1993]

Long run pace is very very strong.

[gump1480]

Combining all of Charles's best sector gives: 1:43.410

Add 0.5s to that as he got a tow in S3.

[tifosi1993]

Both Ferrari's doing low 1m47's, the only cars able to manage that.

[tifosi1993]

Now Perez in 1m47 bracket but Ferrari still have the edge.

[458 Italia]

Charles getting ratty by the sounds of it.

[FerrariF60]

Charles getting ratty by the sounds of it.

why is that???

[gump1480]

Anyone has our race pace vs RB race pace? Race director only cares about laptime of Merc cars.

[tifosi1993]

why is that???

Because his race engineer is not up to it. He should be the one to notify Charles. You don't hear other engineers saying "I will get back to you".

[gump1480]

Anyone has our race pace vs RB race pace? Race director only cares about laptime of Merc cars.

Edit: thanks for posting the laptimes.

[FerrariF60]

Because his race engineer is not up to it. He should be the one to notify Charles. You don't hear other engineers saying "I will get back to you".

maybe he should ditch the current engineer and get a more competent one

[Kyss4k]

Race pace looks really good from what I could see. Little worried about tyre deg, as we seemed to slow more over time than Bulls, but still we look fast in race trim. Good.

[FerrariF60]

i think the Ferrari's should do teh tow in quali tomorrow....i'm sure everyone including the fizzy drinks will do it

because you can gain SO much by doing so....and can also LOSE pole by NOT doing it

[ferrari1.8t]

why is that???

I think he experienced a power loss and his engineer didn’t know what was going on.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.ibb.co/brNLyKj/Screenshot-2022-06-10-211219.jpg

[PURE PASSION]

i think the Ferrari's should do teh tow in quali tomorrow....i'm sure everyone including the fizzy drinks will do it

because you can gain SO much by doing so....and can also LOSE pole by NOT doing it

We could probably do it ,because we can "sacrifice " Sainz since he is so back in the championship (points wise). Are RedBull gonna do it now that Perez has almost reach Ves and still looking equal fast???!!! Is Perez gonna agree to give Ves the tow on the 1st try ??(for the danger of something happens in the 2nd try)

[tifosi1993]

maybe he should ditch the current engineer and get a more competent one

There's clearly a communication gap. Charles always asking the question about what's going on and his race engineer always gives arbitrary response.

[gump1480]

Race pace looks really good from what I could see. Little worried about tyre deg, as we seemed to slow more over time than Bulls, but still we look fast in race trim. Good.

Do you have lap by lap data for us and Red Bulls?

[FerrariF60]

We could probably do it ,because we can "sacrifice " Sainz since he is so back in the championship (points wise). Are RedBull gonna do it now that Perez has almost reach Ves and still looking equal fast???!!! Is Perez gonna agree to give Ves the tow on the 1st try ??(for the danger of something happens in the 2nd try)

is the name of the game my friend, NAME OF THE GAME......oh and he is STILL TEH #2 DRIVER

[FerrariF60]

There's clearly a communication gap. Charles always asking the question about what's going on and his race engineer always gives arbitrary response.

i would FIRE that frucking engineer ON THE SPOT....and get one more competent....Jeez

[PURE PASSION]

https://i.ibb.co/brNLyKj/Screenshot-2022-06-10-211219.jpg
If there is nothing wrong with the sector times in this board, I think is the best sector times and the lap time is the actual time they post.
If that's the case in the ideal laps Lec could manage a 1:42.922 to Ves /Per 1:43.4!!!!!
0,5s faster!!!!!!
It too good to be true :Hmm

[Kyss4k]

I know it's off topic, but I don't know how many people visit the other parts of the forum, so I'll post it here. Ferrari revealed the first "shot" of Le Mans hypercar.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU5ZVWpXsAAepII?format=jpg&name=large

[PURE PASSION]

is the name of the game my friend, NAME OF THE GAME......oh and he is STILL TEH #2 DRIVER

According to Horners resent statements, Perez now has equal opportunities to Ves. He actually said "we are not Max Verstappen formula 1 team!!!"

[PURE PASSION]

I know it's off topic, but I don't know how many people visit the other parts of the forum, so I'll post it here. Ferrari revealed the first "shot" of Le Mans hypercar.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU5ZVWpXsAAepII?format=jpg&name=large

When is it being revealed ??

[Kyss4k]

Do you have lap by lap data for us and Red Bulls?

I don't sorry, I was just watching them on live timing.

[elnano14]

If there is nothing wrong with the sector times in this board, I think is the best sector times and the lap time is the actual time they post.
If that's the case in the ideal laps Lec could manage a 1:42.922 to Ves /Per 1:43.4!!!!!
0,5s faster!!!!!!
It too good to be true :Hmm

Lec S3 was that one from his medium run (with a big tow) which he gained around 3 tenths, in his softs run (as well as Sainz), S3 time was the same as Red Bull

[Kyss4k]

When is it being revealed ??

It doesn't say... https://www.ferrari.com/en-CZ/competizioni-gt/2023-le-mans-hypercar

[elnano14]

8042
FP2 Race pace simulation
Almost the same between us and Red Bull

[458 Italia]

I know it's off topic, but I don't know how many people visit the other parts of the forum, so I'll post it here. Ferrari revealed the first "shot" of Le Mans hypercar.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU5ZVWpXsAAepII?format=jpg&name=large

Such a tease!!

[PURE PASSION]

So far it looks good. The pace is there. Can we deliver....??????

[FerrariF60]

So far it looks good. The pace is there. Can we deliver....??????

we'll find out, but i sure hope for a win this weekend....and we desperately need it....can't have Maxipad extend his lead even further

[PURE PASSION]

we'll find out, but i sure hope for a win this weekend....and we desperately need it....can't have Maxipad extend his lead even further

For sure!!! And (IF we win) it will be a good statement for our performance, since this is considered a RedBull track.

[ferrari1.8t]

So far it looks good. The pace is there. Can we deliver....??????

We need to deliver, no other option. Both championships depend on it. We need a solid 1-2 this weekend and no mistakes.

[Aziz]

We need to deliver, no other option. Both championships depend on it. We need a solid 1-2 this weekend and no mistakes.

And a solid PU with no hick ups

[FerrariF60]

We need to deliver, no other option. Both championships depend on it. We need a solid 1-2 this weekend and no mistakes.

no if's, and's or but's......WE NEED TO DELIVER THIS WEEKEND.....we need to have perfect reliability, perfect strategy and 2 drivers that are on top of their game.....AND THEN THE RESULT WILL COME

THAT is the ONLY way IF we want to succeed this year and clinching BOTH CHAMPIONSHIPS.....anything less than that is A FAILURE.....

[wisepie]

I still see porpoising on the long straights and heads bouncing around, but great laps from Charles and it seems his engineer is not feeding him the useful info he needs quickly and decisively enough and Charles is getting a bit heated. After Monaco, this needs to be our comeback, I'm getting concerned about reliability as well as the pitwall not being on top of the game. Carlos getting quicker but prone to over-driving? The drivers and pitwall need to work in harmony if any championship is going to be on our radar.:roll

[nani_s23]

We need to deliver, no other option. Both championships depend on it. We need a solid 1-2 this weekend and no mistakes.

I would be happy if we get 2nd & 3rd. Anything above its surprise for me.
Anything less, I’m worried.

At these circuits, we need to bring good points & wait for upgrades either break or make for us.

[paolo lalli]

Max is having DRS issues his rear wing is under the eyes of FIA to much flexing red bull are looking at it, could well be a problem for Max. PEREZ will be very strong in race trim.Ferrari with no issues can win this one.

[Gilles]

https://www.formu1a.uno/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/7jFNWbyu.png-large-640x395.png

[Gilles]

Max is having DRS issues his rear wing is under the eyes of FIA to much flexing red bull are looking at it, could well be a problem for Max. PEREZ will be very strong in race trim.Ferrari with no issues can win this one.

I think they put the old actuator back on to avoid this problem

[patrese86]

There seems to be nothing in it regarding race pace or quali to be honest. The pessimist in me thinks as long as red bull stay within a couple of seconds of us that in the end they'll get into drs range and pass on the straight because they are much quicker than us in a straight line. Once we solve this purposing and only then can we match them in that regard and then I think it really will be on for the season. We just need to stay competitive till then which we are.

[Gilles]

There seems to be nothing in it regarding race pace or quali to be honest. The pessimist in me thinks as long as red bull stay within a couple of seconds of us that in the end they'll get into drs range and pass on the straight because they are much quicker than us in a straight line (also, our ability to be fast in the curves just before straights helps) . Once we solve this purposing and only then can we match them in that regard and then I think it really will be on for the season. We just need to stay competitive till then which we are.

The telemetry gives them 5 km/h of advantage at the end of the straight and gives us as much in the slowest turns. Let’s look at fp3, but it seems tight, whereas with the old wing, we would have been completely dominated in straight. For porpoising, there is still work to be done, and therefore tenths to recover, but it is doubtless necessary to wait for the new suspension to better control the thing

[Gilles]

Fp1
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Schermata-2022-06-11-alle-08.49.01-600x356.png
Fp2 (Ferrari in green)
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Schermata-2022-06-11-alle-09.11.22-600x353.png

[nani_s23]

Pirelli has decided to increase rear pressures by 1 psi They go from 21.5 to 22.5 This adjustment helps protect the most stressed tires from prolonged porpoising

[BRP]

Will this help us or not?

[458 Italia]

Looks like we've turned up the engine.

[PURE PASSION]

ΟΚ , now in fp3 looked like RBRs might have the edge !!!
we will see

[458 Italia]

Think red bull are faster in s1 and S3.

[nani_s23]

Seems like evenly matched between Max vs Lec vs Perez.

S3 is making the difference. Will still lack straight line speed.

[nani_s23]

Seems like evenly matched between Max vs Lec vs Perez.

S3 is making the difference. Will still lack straight line speed.

[Aziz]

ΟΚ , now in fp3 looked like RBRs might have the edge !!!
we will see

Yeah, probably, but maybe it's better for us to start second, cos we can't win from pole :lol

[Aziz]

ΟΚ , now in fp3 looked like RBRs might have the edge !!!
we will see

Yeah, probably, but maybe it's better for us to start second, cos we can't win from pole :lol

[gump1480]

Pole here is not important. But we need to have one car on front row or else no chance of a win with our clowns behind the pit wall

[nani_s23]

Ferrari 335 km/h
Red Bull 339 km/h
Russell 327 km/h
Vettel 330 km/h
Ocon 341 km/h

FP3

[Super M]

ΟΚ , now in fp3 looked like RBRs might have the edge !!!
we will see

Yeah, Until we grab pole by like 3 tenths..............Still think Ferrari are holding something back

[458 Italia]

Yeah, Until we grab pole by like 3 tenths..............Still think Ferrari are holding something back

Hope so :thumb

[elnano14]

Sainz really really needs to ****ing step up. When you see Leclerc was battling the Red Bull for P1 with the gap only 1 tenth between 3 drivers and then you see Sainz was chilling +0.4s behind everytime. It's so frustrating

[WS6TransAm01]

Yeah, Until we grab pole by like 3 tenths..............Still think Ferrari are holding something back

I’m not worried about a Ferrari pole. Charles has had a few this year which weren’t converted to wins.

There are no points for pole.

[FerrariF60]

I’m not worried about a Ferrari pole. Charles has had a few this year which weren’t converted to wins.

There are no points for pole.

Exactly, so long as we have better race pace, look after the tires better and good strategy...hmmmm, on the latter we have to work a bit...we can beat the FIZZY DRINKS Co. on Sunday

[paolo lalli]

Thats something that should be looked at pole should get points just like the fastest lap does so much goes into achieving pole position the complete build up from a technical physical and emotional points of view.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think they were fuelling up between runs and we weren't? I'd take that as a positive.

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll bins it 2x.....jeeeez.

[PURE PASSION]

As I expected, RedBull has the edge over us . Only a mighty lap from Lec could steal the pole from them.
Are we clipped a little qually pace for the race???!!!
It's a bit odd that RedBull are faster then us in S2 !!

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari seem to be good with the rubber verstappen 3 sets of softs vs Charles 1 set only to be split by virtually nothing bodes well for the race itself.

[tifosi1993]

I would be happy with pole, but we had poles in Spain and Monaco as well and couldn't convert it.

But Charles always keeps an extra tenth or two on the table in Q1 and Q2. In Q3 we'll see the true pace.

[elnano14]

Yeah we were much faster than them in S2 all weekend until today qualifying. Either we're holding back or something else is going on there

[PURE PASSION]

Lec went to the toilet.
It's a pole!!!!!!
:-):-D:-D:-D

[Riccardog]

I am quite disappointed that we haven't resolved the porpoising...

[tifosi1993]

Mick only has the "Schumacher" surname, nothing else.

Great lap from Bottas.

[458 Italia]

That Haas is losing the development race.

[tifosi1993]

That Haas is losing the development race.

They also have one of the weakest driver line up. Mick maybe only better than Latifi.

[nani_s23]

Mick only has the "Schumacher" surname, nothing else.

Great lap from Bottas.

Yup… it’s better to give chance to others rather than crashing the car every race.

[tifosi1993]

Yup… it’s better to give chance to others rather than crashing the car every race.

Magnussen-Hulkenberg line up is eye catching and will help Haas out massively.

But the power of that surname is immense.

[jgonzalesm6]

Magnussen-Hulkenberg line up is eye catching and will help Haas out massively.

But the power of that surname is immense.

Or your dad owns the team??? (Stroll, another useless driver).

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari turning up. Hopefully Carlos will be able to keep up Charles in the Q3.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferrari 1-2 on used softs!

[paolo lalli]

Yes that's correct used soft tyres they are excellent times.

[drax]

Charles lap was on 11 lap old tires ? Sainz also on used. Where the RBs on used softs also ?

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari 1-2 on used softs!

Are you sure???
It can't be with this times

[ferrari1.8t]

The goat needs a tow to make it into q3…lol

[ferrari1.8t]

Are you sure???
It can't be with this times

Sky said we were on used. I don’t have any data to back it up though…

[458 Italia]

The goat needs a tow to make it into q3…lol

Might even get a grid penalty yet.

[PURE PASSION]

Sky said we were on used. I don’t have any data to back it up though…

I mean it's impossible to be so close on lap times and we to be on used tires and RBRs on new!! There's no way we are 0,5s faster then them (difference new->old) in Baku

[gump1480]

Ferrari 1-2 on used softs!

Impossible man !!

[PURE PASSION]

I read also that the live timing was showing Lec on 10l old tires and Ves on 4lap old.
But they've made some mistakes in live timing before so we will see

[paolo lalli]

Used soft tyres info came from the official f1 web site .it follow live commentary.

[ferrari1.8t]

Impossible man !!

DiResta Just said it again, we were on used sets and had a better time than being on new

[Tifoso Svedese]

Nice work guys nail the 1-2 now!

[458 Italia]

Great laps.

[PURE PASSION]

SO CLOSE for the 4 of them!!!!
The most exciting pole in years!!!!
It's down to the perfect lap !!!!!

[458 Italia]

Come on Charles let's go!!

[tifosi1993]

HOLY MOLY CHARLES

[drax]

Charles is amazing what a lap

[458 Italia]

Yes what a lap!!!!

[Greig]

Wow Charles

[drax]

That second sector is something out of this world

[458 Italia]

Nice Perez 2nd not Max!

[ferrari1.8t]

Mega lap Charles! P1!!!! Unbelievable! Letsssss gooooo!

[PURE PASSION]

That second sector is something out of this world

THIS !!!!!!

[elnano14]

Sainz bottled it again

[Tifoso Svedese]

Crazy mid from Charles :-D

Carlos... shakes my head. Long day tomorrow now.

[tifosi1993]

This guy is amazing. He should be the defacto Number 1.

[jgonzalesm6]

MEGA LAP by Charles!!!!

[Kyss4k]

Leclerc is a monster.

[Aziz]

Dear lord, what a lap!!!!!!!

[stefa]

CL is from another planet!!!! Boy is MEGA!!!
CS needs to be told as of this moment, he is No. 2!

[patrese86]

Leclerc pulls it out when it matters. He's champion material

[ntukza]

What a lap from Charles!

We've been here many times this season though. Let's wait for tomorrow.

[Kyss4k]

CL is from another planet!!!! Boy is MEGA!!!
CS needs to be told as of this moment, he is No. 2!

He should have been told that after Melbourne, but yeah... better late than never.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.ibb.co/9pKHT6c/Screenshot-2022-06-11-213500.jpg

[ferrari1.8t]

Too bad Saniz isn’t on the front row tomorrow, we need the help.

[tifosi1993]

Perez is in the fight, Sainz isn't. Sainz doesn't have any answer to Charles. But it's Ferrari we're talking about, they don't do the most sensible thing.

[paolo lalli]

Sainz you have done it again should have been ferrari 1 and 2 shows exactly how mighty Charles is and how strong check is when the pressure is on. As we all know pole means nothing unless you convert it to podium points and 1st is the target max will not be happy but the start tomorrow will be exiting I expect Max to get a mighty tow from perez down the strait and intern sainz receive one from Max.Charles out front will have to start clean and fast and probably defend hard into turn 1.

[ferrari1.8t]

Charles ignored Herbert’s comments about Monaco twice! Very mature and way to stick it to Sky.

[Kyss4k]

By the way, does anyone have top speeds? They keep saying at Sky that Ferrari is still slower on the straight, but I am not seeing that. Looks like we changed the setup and our S3 is basically the same as Red Bulls even the speed trap is the same, so...

[jgonzalesm6]

https://i.ibb.co/9pKHT6c/Screenshot-2022-06-11-213500.jpg

That sector 2 time was just insane by Leclerc!!!!

[elnano14]

By the way, does anyone have top speeds? They keep saying at Sky that Ferrari is still slower on the straight, but I am not seeing that. Looks like we changed the setup and our S3 is basically the same as Red Bulls even the speed trap is the same, so...

We're still lower but the deficit is not that big anymore, only a few km/h

[Aziz]

Red Bull is 9kph faster on the long straight so with DRS they’re gonna be much faster

[458 Italia]

Oh look who also got out qualified by his teammate again :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Perez is in the fight, Sainz isn't. Sainz doesn't have any answer to Charles. But it's Ferrari we're talking about, they don't do the most sensible thing.

ATM Sainz is struggling with this car. Over the time he will be there. He’s not a bad racer, just the pressure getting on him to match Charles which isn’t possible.

Max got beaten by Checo once again. Shows max is not invincible.

Game on tomorrow. I hear Karun saying RB 9km/h faster than Ferrari on Straights. If that’s the case it’s hard to keep that P1 position.

Anyways let’s hope there’s something up on our sleeve.

[Kyss4k]

We're still lower but the deficit is not that big anymore, only a few km/h

Ok, I found it on F1 app, so we are some 6kph slower at max speed. I think that should be fine hopefully.

[Schumiklub]

According to F1 Live timing we’re missing 5-6 kph on Red Bull

https://i.ibb.co/jvyCj0X/028-E3-C59-F2-A5-4-D43-A9-A2-0-BCE0-D42-D3-BF.jpg

[nani_s23]

According to F1 Live timing we’re missing 5-6 kph on Red Bull

https://i.ibb.co/jvyCj0X/028-E3-C59-F2-A5-4-D43-A9-A2-0-BCE0-D42-D3-BF.jpg

Hmm still it’s huge. Eagerly waiting for Upgraded ERS from Ferrari.

Ferrari got the best engine currently but it’s efficiency is low compared to RB-Honda. That’s where RB is taking advantage in race.

[jgonzalesm6]

According to F1 Live timing we’re missing 5-6 kph on Red Bull

https://i.ibb.co/jvyCj0X/028-E3-C59-F2-A5-4-D43-A9-A2-0-BCE0-D42-D3-BF.jpg

Throw in a slipstream and DRS and RedBull will pass Leclerc on the straight.....

[Petalpusher]

Red Bull is 9kph faster on the long straight so with DRS they’re gonna be much faster

The thing is 320 vs 319 is at the line, that's afterward the rb is getting a big advantage all the way down to T1, but better balance/df might help on that last corner exit curb they ride.

Lec still an animal in Q.

[Aziz]

Throw in a slipstream and DRS and RedBull will pass Leclerc on the straight.....

Exactly

[nani_s23]

Throw in a slipstream and DRS and RedBull will pass Leclerc on the straight.....

If Saniz can get mega start & jump ahead RB, this gives buffer to charles to build a gap.
I don’t think Sainz can hold RB’s given his struggles with the car.

[subfire91]

Hmm still it’s huge. Eagerly waiting for Upgraded ERS from Ferrari.

Ferrari got the best engine currently but it’s efficiency is low compared to RB-Honda. That’s where RB is taking advantage in race.

first 5 races we were 9-12 kph down now is 5-6 so actually we have improved. i don't thing the new ERS will do any difference. the most difference i suspect it the new dusp. which will minimize porpoising and the slicker side pods at Silverstone.

[Aziz]

Carlos Sainz post-quali radio:

“Just killed the rear tyre. Sorry guys for not nailing that one. Car is tricky with this flap.”

[PURE PASSION]

Guys stop seeing just numbers for the top speed!!
We are not playing cards with the bigger number wins.
There us a lot of things that play role in a race. Mostly it's the ture degradation and if a driver can be quite in front in the start of the straight.
Even if RedBull is in front, Lec can also pass him if he can stay pretty close in the past corner.
The same was in Jedda.
Ves pass ,but Lec could stay close enough and probably in another lap he could repass Ves .And there RedBull also had greater top speed!!
So please stop always mentioning the top speed like it's the only thing that matters!!!
It's not that they are 25-30kph faster (without drs).
Up to 10kph more or less it doesn't play so much role if you are better somewhere else.
And we are talking about top speed in the end of the straight. But in the acceleration zone we are better and if we keep it in the race the Bull's could only close some tenths on the end ,nothing more.

[nani_s23]

Guys stop seeing just numbers for the top speed!!
We are not playing cards with the bigger number wins.
There us a lot of things that play role in a race. Mostly it's the ture degradation and if a driver can be quite in front in the start of the straight.
Even if RedBull is in front, Lec can also pass him if he can stay pretty close in the past corner.
The same was in Jedda.
Ves pass ,but Lec could stay close enough and probably in another lap he could repass Ves .And there RedBull also had greater top speed!!
So please stop always mentioning the top speed like it's the only thing that matters!!!
It's not that they are 25-30kph faster (without drs).
Up to 10kph more or less it doesn't play so much role if you are better somewhere else.
And we are talking about top speed in the end of the straight. But in the acceleration zone we are better and if we keep it in the race the Bull's could only close some tenths on the end ,nothing more.

Hmm.. Imola & Miami… we couldn’t pass RB. I’ll take it as high DF setup.

So this track is real test for our LDF package. I heard Charles saying, even with current LDF they didn’t loose much in S2. Which is really good.

But RB has that engine mode settings which they specifically use for either defensive or attack.

[PURE PASSION]

Hmm.. Imola & Miami… we couldn’t pass RB. I’ll take it as high DF setup.

So this track is real test for our LDF package. I heard Charles saying, even with current LDF they didn’t loose much in S2. Which is really good.

But RB has that engine mode settings which they specifically use for either defensive or attack.

On Imola and Miami we had tire problems and couldn't stay close to Ves on the slow corners/ traction zones. With drs Lec could catch Ves in the end of the straight BUT in the last corner and the exit Ves could open a gap of 0,8+s witch was enough. Lec couldn't do that (degradation- poor traction) Ves came very close in the last corner and could easily overtake him because he was almost besides him even without drs.
In the exit of the last corner before a big straight play more role them a bigger to0 speed. Because that way you will be faster up to the middle of the straight and can keep the other car behind you .

[elnano14]

Hmm.. Imola & Miami… we couldn’t pass RB. I’ll take it as high DF setup.

So this track is real test for our LDF package. I heard Charles saying, even with current LDF they didn’t loose much in S2. Which is really good.

But RB has that engine mode settings which they specifically use for either defensive or attack.

Miamia for some strange reasons Leclerc lost so much time in S2 in the race so he couldn't get close to Max in the DRS straight. Not much he could do when the gap was always 0.7-0.8s before the straight

[TTRSMAD]

Amazing lap from Leclerc. He knows how to extract the maximum out of a car.

Tomorrow he better have a good race restart scenario down because it's going to be crucial, chances of safety car is high here.

Leclerc needs to be out of DRS range or else.

Being on the inside here his very important.

[Liscia]

Come what may tomorrow in the race today was CHARLES LECLERC! The Commendatore would be proud -not a fighting heart like his since Gilles?!
FORZA FERRARI!!!

[wisepie]

Another barnstorming lap from Charles to take pole and as Crofty & Co kept reminding us, his pole in Spain and Monaco didn't result in wins. So I'm being guarded in my expectations, those RBs are too fast on the straights but not by too much, the race is long and SC interventions likely, but this is a race that Charles deserves to win after the last two GPs which were disastrous for him through no fault of his own. Carlos needs to back him up somehow.:pray

[PURE PASSION]

8043
I think we are good with our speed

[KimiBot]

Great lap, taking pole with second fastest car, awesome. I did not see that coming. Charles is getting better and better?
We`ll see if he can keep P1 or are RB´s just flying by with DRS.

[SilverSpeed]

Mighty lap from Leclerc!

Hopefully we can convert it into a win!

[Cavallino]

8043
I think we are good with our speed
We can race with that.

[Gilles]

It will be tight between the 2 teams
The car looks solid, Leclerc is strong, so we can hope for the best
Even Carlos seems to be picking up some pace
On the other hand, reliability and safety car can compromise everything

[WS6TransAm01]

Like I said. I wasn’t worried about pole. I knew Charles had it.

If Max or Sergio get within 1 second or Charles we will have a Ferrari 3-4.

I’m worried about that top speed deficits. It’s possible with if Ferrari have more wing they may be able to look after their tires better but the straight line speed deficit can’t be overlooked.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari’s low-load rear wing upgrade provided ~7 km/h compared to the old wing.

PER only gained 2 tenths on Charles in the four straights.

The upgrade has closed the gap to RBR in terms of efficiency, so Ferrari should have a better chance at keeping the position tomorrow.

https://www.formu1a.uno/a-baku-una-grande-pole-di-leclerc-spiazza-le-red-bull/

[paolo lalli]

The race will simply come down to WHO BLINKS FIRST.

[tpe]

With this pole, Leclerc is 3rd in the list of drivers with pole positions in a Ferrari.
In front of him, there are only Schumacher and Lauda.

That is insane...

[nani_s23]

It will be tight between the 2 teams
The car looks solid, Leclerc is strong, so we can hope for the best
Even Carlos seems to be picking up some pace
On the other hand, reliability and safety car can compromise everything

Yeah Jeddah -> leclerc would have won without SC.
Baku always throws some interesting races -> hopefully we are at good position at the end.

[Super M]

Yeah, Until we grab pole by like 3 tenths..............Still think Ferrari are holding something back




Hope so :thumb


I’m not worried about a Ferrari pole. Charles has had a few this year which weren’t converted to wins.

There are no points for pole.


Well, thats the first step. Step 2 , Win the race.........This crappy luck we've had in the last 2 GP'S has to stop, right........Well, thats where this will be different!............We have no other options really, we need this win badly!

[Riccardog]

Guys, does anyone have any info on ham driving too slow to delta in quali?
F1 **** site has nothing

[phsyklone]

Leclerc said after the Barcelona updates we don't have that excessive tyre wear that we had in Imola and Miami so I'm pretty confident he'll pull away from the redbulls like he was doing in Spain especially since its Perez behind him and not Max.

[KimiBot]

Guys, does anyone have any info on ham driving too slow to delta in quali?
F1 **** site has nothing

Saw some news about that, no penalty.

[Super M]

On a different topic, i've noticed the GP starts much earlier, like 2 hours early, Is this coz of the Le Mans ?

( Just asking )

[Tifoso Svedese]

Must be because of daylight as well. Baku is quite far to the east.

[stasera]

I'm done. I dont want to follow and watch this sport anymore. its so frustrating and exhausting.

[JPZ]

I'm done. I dont want to follow and watch this sport anymore. its so frustrating and exhausting.

It's been like this since 2008....:-s

And yet, we're still all here.

[FerrariF60]

It's been like this since 2008....:-s

And yet, we're still all here.

^^this...guess we’re all die hard fans......lol