2022 Austrian Grand Prix - -Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[ferrari1.8t]

Schumacher racing a lot better these days. Good for him…

[Greig]

Schumacher racing a lot better these days. Good for him…

Yeah he seems to take a while to get there but once he does he can deliver some performances.

[458 Italia]

Come on Mick hold hamilton off!

[gump1480]

Charles slowly closing in on Max. Gap is now 2.4 seconds.

VES is just managing the gap...2.7 again...2.8 now

[Ferrarichamp]

hoping for a Max DNF.

[WS6TransAm01]

hoping for a Max DNF.

Stop. That’s how karma screws over Charles or Carlos.

[tifosi1993]

Nothing between Charles and Max. One responds if the other one goes faster.

[pesquisa_2004]

Men
Ferrari will never win a championship during Binotto era

[458 Italia]

Too easy for Max.

[tifosi1993]

Gap is now 2.2 seconds

[Ferrari312T4]

2.23 come on!

[Greig]

Well done Schumi JNR :-D

[458 Italia]

hamilton crying :lol

[TonyRizza]

7 time world champion btw

[tifosi1993]

Mick is doing an amazing job. Mag should give him the DRS

[ferrari1.8t]

Crybaby doing what he always does, cry. Boohoo, the car infront of me won’t let me by. Waaaaaa

[458 Italia]

Damn.

[458 Italia]

Mag should've dropped off a little to keep Mick in DRS.

[Greig]

Shame our squabbling never let us see if we can chase Max down lesson learned for tomorrow.

[458 Italia]

Sprints are a just a waste of time really.

[PURE PASSION]

We had some pace in the end.

[pesquisa_2004]

Men
Ferrari will never win a championship during Binotto era

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles had good pace on old mediums which is encouraging for high fuel tomorrow but Binotto's inability to calm Carlos the hell down cost any remote chance. The risk of both cars coming together was way too great for that small reward.

[tifosi1993]

So Max was 2.9 seconds when Sainz was trying to overtake Charles with 3 DRS zones. But Charles cleared him and finishes the race 1.6 seconds behind Max.

[Greig]

Charles had good pace on old mediums but Binotto's inability to calm Carlos the hell down cost any remote chance. The risk of both cars coming together was way too great for that small reward.

Where did you hear the Ferrari radio?

[patrese86]

Boring sprint race. Can't see the race being any different.

Once Max got out of DRS that was it. Good job squabbling over nothing guys.

[Greig]

Charles saying we are quick and will get him tomorrow :-)

[PURE PASSION]

Don't know if we had the pace to put pressure on Max ,but 1 more time we made it worse for ourselves!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Charles saying we are quick and will get him tomorrow :-)

If max pushes Charles to the track limits again at the start, Carlos and Russell will breeze by us.

Hopefully we get a better start….

[Cavallino]

Yup….we’ve built a good qualifying car but crappy race car. No race pace to match the bulls. Unbelievable.

the gap stayed the same and our tyres were in better shape. but believe what you want

[tifosi1993]

Charles needs to be ruthless. All the WDC's were and are ruthless. He needs to put his foot down and stamp his authority. Sainz has no answers to his pace.

[ferrari1.8t]

You can tell Charles mind is somewhere else, look at the body language between he and Carlos. That relationship is over

[hakanabi]

Redbull is too quick here

[Aziz]

Charles saying we are quick and will get him tomorrow :-)

Yeah we are faster, but they won :rotfl

[Greig]

You can tell Charles mind is somewhere else, look at the body language between he and Carlos. That relationship is over

Now your a body language expert? :rotfl

[Kyss4k]

Charles needs to be ruthless. All the WDC's were and are ruthless. He needs to put his foot down and stamp his authority. Sainz has no answers to his pace.

Ferrari needs to say "Charles is n1 and Carlos is n2". We are screwing ourselves by fighting each other.

[Greig]

Yeah we are faster, but they won :rotfl

I will let Charles know you disagree.....

[Cavallino]

we gotta do something to get around at the start.

[tifosi1993]

You can tell Charles mind is somewhere else, look at the body language between he and Carlos. That relationship is over

The faster guy shouldn't be hindered because of the slower guy

[ferrari1.8t]

Now your a body language expert? :rotfl

You know it, have a degree in it :lol

[ferrari1.8t]

You hear that answer, can you work together to close the gap? “I really hope so”

[Ferrarichamp]

Charles saying we are quick and will get him tomorrow :-)

get who? Max or Carlos?

[Cavallino]

and when Carlos was attacking into turn 3, he needed to be more aggressive, pass maxipad like he passes everyone else, either back out or we're both out

[Greig]

You hear that answer, can you work together to close the gap? “I really hope so”

That applies to both of them though :-D

[Cavallino]

defending against Charles left Maxipad vulnerable, so there is no excuse for Sainz not getting Maxipad

[Tifoso Svedese]

and when Carlos was attacking into turn 3, he needed to be more aggressive, pass maxipad like he passes everyone else, either back out or we're both out

Yeah Carlos really races Max with kid gloves on dammit whereas the other Bull is trying to wreck Charles everytime he comes near :lol

[nani_s23]

To be honest I was scared, both ferrari will take out each other. They should be fighting with Max. Not sure for how many races this lasts. Somewhere down the line Mattia need to instruct either Charles or Carlos.

Not good to see internal battle. I somehow feel Charles & Saniz are uncomfortable with each other looking at their reactions at media point.

[nani_s23]

I’m glad Carlos is getting there.

[tifosi1993]

defending against Charles left Maxipad vulnerable, so there is no excuse for Sainz not getting Maxipad

"Maxipad" has the whole team built around him. RB will never allow Perez to attack Max.

[nani_s23]

Charles needs to be ruthless. All the WDC's were and are ruthless. He needs to put his foot down and stamp his authority. Sainz has no answers to his pace.

I’m sensing a crash coming down if Mattia doesn’t intervene.

[Kyss4k]

That applies to both of them though :-D

Charles is obviously upset about how the situation is being handeled, that's quite clear to see. He needs to see that the team is behind him after all that happened. Or at least I would need that being in his shoes.

[Cavallino]

"Maxipad" has the whole team built around him. RB will never allow Perez to attack Max.

"No Fighting"

[tifosi1993]

I’m sensing a crash coming down if Mattia doesn’t intervene.

Max was only 1.6 seconds ahead while Sainz was 4 seconds behind behind Charles. Charles is simply a level or two above Sainz, always has been. Quite clear who should be the No.1

[Greig]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered :-D

[nani_s23]

Max was only 1.6 seconds ahead while Sainz was 4 seconds behind behind Charles. Charles is simply a level or two above Sainz, always has been. Quite clear who should be the No.1

Yup that should be the same. But Mattia not instructing them & saying they can fight each other. Which means at some point a crash is on the cards everytime they are close to each other. Do we really need this? Already DNF’s are hurting us.

I believe Carlos flat spotted his tyres during attack on Leclerc.

Carlos went with Low DF set up & Charles medium DF. Hence Carlos is faster in S1

[tifosi1993]

He having some "pace" is still not enough to deter either Charles or Max. He's not as quick as those two, simple.

[Cavallino]

we gotta put Sainz on softs tomorrow, you know Red Bull will do that with Perez

[Greig]

we gotta put Sainz on softs tomorrow, you know Red Bull will do that with Perez

Yeah we should split the strategy, rain is possible tomorrow also.

[Cavallino]

He having some "pace" is still not enough to deter either Charles or Max. He's not as quick as those two, simple.

i actually think he is as quick as Maxipad, as he showed in Torro Rosso, the Ferrari is slower than the Fizzy Drink car, it's only Charles who is the generational talent

[nani_s23]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered :-D

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

[Cavallino]

Yeah we should split the strategy, rain is possible tomorrow also.

i think it will rain in the morning, the track might still be damp though don't know how many support races there will be

[Greig]

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

Max was cruising it home TBH

[nani_s23]

Leclerc's team radio: "A shame [...] we are quick, we can get them tomorrow. We just need to stay calm in the first part of the race and not fight, because I was saving in the first few laps."

[Gilles]

Race after race, it is obvious that we are going nowhere...

Give the kid the team!

[RossTheBoss]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered :-D
Gotta say I agree. 1+

It's not Sainz problem that Leclerc has horrid luck. Honestly, some here are just outright childish, hating on Sainz because he didn't somehow rescue Leclerc's race in Silverstone and sacrifice is first ever grand prix win for a teammate that is two full races behind the WDC lead.

Sainz has brought his game up and should be cheered for it, not hated on because Leclerc suffered what will (probably) be fatal blows to his title fight in Barcelona and Baku.

[Cavallino]

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

yeah, if Carlos was going to do that, he needed to put a move onto Maxipad into turn 1

[Kyss4k]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered :-D

Well obviously... He lost this fight early at the season. He should get another chance next year but we should have gone 100% for Charles maximising our chances for WDC. But then again, Binotto said we aren't going for titles so...

[tifosi1993]

i actually think he is as quick as Maxipad, as he showed in Torro Rosso, the Ferrari is slower than the Fizzy Drink car, it's only Charles who is the generational talent

LOL. Torro Rosso was 2015 and 17 year old Max still finished with more than 30 points than Sainz, 49-18 or something like that.

Kvyat got the better of Sainz in the junior formula and we all know the rest.

[RossTheBoss]

Max was cruising it home TBH
Agreed, I'm skeptical Max was losing pace at the end. He was likely backing off, imho.

[Cavallino]

Leclerc's team radio: "A shame [...] we are quick, we can get them tomorrow. We just need to stay calm in the first part of the race and not fight, because I was saving in the first few laps."

that's what I thought, in which case you need to get onto Sainz's radio.

but that won't be an issue tomorrow if you split the strategies. but if i put Sainz onto soft tyres, he needs to get around Maxipad first lap, or both in the gravel, plain and simple

[Cavallino]

LOL. Torro Rosso was 2015 and 17 year old Max still finished with more than 30 points than Sainz, 49-18 or something like that.

Kvyat got the better of Sainz in the junior formula and we all know the rest.

Sainz had a lot more DNFs, i'm pretty sure the qualifying record was pretty even. I can use the 17 year old excuse for the Kvyat.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

[RossTheBoss]

Well obviously... He lost this fight early at the season. He should get another chance next year but we should have gone 100% for Charles maximising our chances for WDC. But then again, Binotto said we aren't going for titles so...
And Leclerc's fight was over after Baku. That's reality without two miracles and no more bad luck for Leclerc. The fight now is for race wins, not the WDC, because the late spring slump for Leclerc will probably end up being fatal to his title fight.

Ferrari need to focus on winning races and staying ahead of the silver douchebags. Pie in the sky doesn't help anybody. If bad luck befalls Red Bull, so be it. But don't risk overall wins at places like Silverstone in hopes it will save Leclerc.

[Cavallino]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

guess you missed when Sainz moved over in Silverstone after 3 laps :roll

[tifosi1993]

Sainz had a lot more DNFs, i'm pretty sure the qualifying record was pretty even. I can use the 17 year old excuse for the Kvyat.

You are making excuses. Kvyat was better than Sainz in the junior formula and he's only a year older than Sainz. Both Max and Sainz suffered DNF's but it didn't stop him from beating Sainz.

[Greig]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

You have some great access to our team meetings, great point though told to race (which we have never heard being said) but told not to race (which we did hear)....:rotfl

[Cavallino]

and since you watch the races so closely, you'd notice Leclerc at the end noticing his tyres were in tact, Maxipads were not, it's game on for tomorrow.

[Cavallino]

You are making excuses. Kvyat was better than Sainz in the junior formula and he's only a year older than Sainz. Both Max and Sainz suffered DNF's but it didn't stop him from beating Sainz.

you have to look at qualifying, otherwise is Button better for beating Shamilton? Sainz beat Leclerc last season and everyone who watched would have seen who the quicker driver was.

[Greig]

and since you watch the races so closely, you'd notice Leclerc at the end noticing his tyres were in tact, Maxipads were not, it's game on for tomorrow.

Yeah I think we are still in with a chance of winning tomorrow.

[tifosi1993]

you have to look at qualifying, otherwise is Button better for beating Shamilton? Sainz beat Leclerc last season and everyone who watched would have seen who the quicker driver was.

Why? Is there a rule of qualifying being the measuring stick? The point gap of 49-18 in Max's favor tells the story.

And apart from some fringe opinions, no one in F1 will ever rate Sainz being as good as Max. It's just laughable and you'll get laughed at. It's like saying Trulli is better than Alonso.

Both Max and Charles are generational talents. The only difference is, the former has the whole team wrapped around him while the latter has to fight his own team in some regards.

[nani_s23]

yeah, if Carlos was going to do that, he needed to put a move onto Maxipad into turn 1

Carlos tried on 1st lap. But he went outside of Max, not inside. Which gave Leclerc chance to
Come back at Carlos to take 2nd position. From there internal battle & max built the gap.

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto confirmed to @SkySportF1 that team orders will be at Ferrari after Summer break

[Cavallino]

Why? Is there a rule of qualifying being the measuring stick? The point gap of 49-18 in Max's favor tells the story.

And apart from some fringe opinions, no one would in F1 will ever rate Sainz being as good as Max. It's just laughable and you'll get laughed at. It's like saying Trulli is better than Alonso.

Both Max and Charles are generational talents. The only difference is, the former has the whole team wrapped around him while the latter has to fight his own team in some regards.

I agree it's unpopular, but just because for some reason everyone has lost their minds over Maxipad, who crashed into the entire grid for 3 seasons, costing Ferrari the 2018 world title in the process, doesn't mean I'm going to. Things make a lot of sense when you view the world with Maxipad and Sainz as being equal, and the Fizzy Drink just being a quicker car.

And we've seen what happened to Vettel when he left the Newey rocket, he was exposed as mediocre.

[Ferrarichamp]

you have to look at qualifying, otherwise is Button better for beating Shamilton? Sainz beat Leclerc last season and everyone who watched would have seen who the quicker driver was.

true, Sainz did beat Charles last year, he scored 4 podiums, Charles only one.

[tifosi1993]

I agree it's unpopular, but just because for some reason everyone has lost their minds over Maxipad, who crashed into the entire grid for 3 seasons, costing Ferrari the 2018 world title in the process, doesn't mean I'm going to. Things make a lot of sense when you view the world with Maxipad and Sainz as being equal, and the Fizzy Drink just being a quicker car.

And we've seen what happened to Vettel when he left the Newey rocket, he was exposed as mediocre.

You're entitled to your own opinions and you're free to exercise it. But it doesn't mean that all of your opinions should receive the same credence.
And it's not "unpopular", because unpopular opinions do have some truths in them. But saying "Sainz is better than Max" is not unpopular, it's a fringe opinion.

[RossTheBoss]

I agree it's unpopular, but just because for some reason everyone has lost their minds over Maxipad, who crashed into the entire grid for 3 seasons, costing Ferrari the 2018 world title in the process, doesn't mean I'm going to. Things make a lot of sense when you view the world with Maxipad and Sainz as being equal, and the Fizzy Drink just being a quicker car.

And we've seen what happened to Vettel when he left the Newey rocket, he was exposed as mediocre.
Max cost Ferrari the 2018 title? OMG, sometimes I just have to laugh at the **** said by fellow Ferrari fans. :lol

No, in 18' the car was clearly behind Mercedes and Vettel drove like a total clown. NEVER stood a chance.

[tifosi1993]

Mattia Binotto confirmed to @SkySportF1 that team orders will be at Ferrari after Summer break

Why? Since according to him, we are not fighting for the WDC this year. What changed his mind I wonder. :Hmm

[Cavallino]

You're entitled to your own opinions and you're free to exercise it. But it doesn't mean that all of your opinions should receive the same credence.
And it's not "unpopular", because unpopular opinions do have some truths in them. But saying "Sainz is better than Max" is not unpopular, it's a fringe opinion.

didn't say better, said equal.

and I always held the opinion that Shamilton was mediocre as well , and i turned out to be correct. I thought Vettel was incredible, and I was proven wrong there.

[tifosi1993]

Max cost Ferrari the 2018 title? OMG, sometimes I just have to laugh at the **** said by fellow Ferrari fans. :lol

No, in 18' the car was clearly behind Mercedes and Vettel drove like a total clown. NEVER stood a chance.

Max probably made Vettel to spin in Germany, Monza, Suzuka and Austin. Psychologically. :rotfl

[Cavallino]

Max cost Ferrari the 2018 title? OMG, sometimes I just have to laugh at the **** said by fellow Ferrari fans. :lol

No, in 18' the car was clearly behind Mercedes and Vettel drove like a total clown. NEVER stood a chance.

China 2018 first of all, go look at the safety cars he brought out with reckless driving, and the points deltas that occured to Shamilton, tally them up, and come back to me.

[Cavallino]

Max probably made Vettel to spin in Germany, Monza, Suzuka and Austin. Psychologically. :rotfl

he did in China

[tifosi1993]

Perez in P5 is going to be a huge threat for Sainz. Hopefully he will use his brains a little bit more tomorrow.

[RossTheBoss]

You're entitled to your own opinions and you're free to exercise it. But it doesn't mean that all of your opinions should receive the same credence.
And it's not "unpopular", because unpopular opinions do have some truths in them. But saying "Sainz is better than Max" is not unpopular, it's a fringe opinion.
And an obviously absurd one.

Max (whatever one thinks of him) beat Hamilton who was in a much faster Mercedes last year, despite mountains of bad luck and horrid straight line speed in the second half. It was a Schumacher or Alonso level drive by him last year, with his only luck being the last 3 minutes of Abu Dhabi. He did what Vettel couldn't do against Mercedes.

Vettel was a driver that declined dramatically after 13'. Like, Hamilton, the car needs to be a balanced perfectly to his liking for him to perform.

[Cavallino]

China 2018 first of all, go look at the safety cars he brought out with reckless driving, and the points deltas that occured to Shamilton, tally them up, and come back to me.

not saying the points will totally make the difference, but Vettel would keep the lead longer, which completely changes the complexion of the second half of the season with how you drive. the season wouldn't have unravled as quickly without the needles accidendts from Maxipad.

because if you go from gaining 10 to losing 10, that's a 20 point swing he costs me

[Cavallino]

And an obviously absurd one.

Max (whatever one thinks of him) beat Hamilton who was in a much faster Mercedes last year, despite mountains of bad luck and horrid straight line speed in the second half. It was a Schumacher or Alonso level drive by him last year, with his only luck being the last 3 minutes of Abu Dhabi. He did what Vettel couldn't do against Mercedes.

Vettel was a driver that declined dramatically after 13'. Like, Hamilton, the car needs to be a balanced perfectly to his liking for him to perform.

but who is to say Maxipad isn't in the same boat as Vettel! Even Ricardo kept up with him!

[RossTheBoss]

China 2018 first of all, go look at the safety cars he brought out with reckless driving, and the points deltas that occured to Shamilton, tally them up, and come back to me.
*** are you talking about? Vettel finished 90 points behind Hamilton.

Nobody was catching Hamilton that year and Vettel made the gap worse and threw away races in Baku, France, Germany, Japan, and Texas, just off the top off my head. It was without a doubt, the most embarrassing display by a Ferrari driver in my life.

[Cavallino]

*** are you talking about? Vettel finished 90 points behind Hamilton.

Nobody was catching Hamilton that year and Vettel made the gap worse and threw away races in Baku, France, Germany, Japan, and Texas, just off the top off my head. It was without a doubt, the most embarrassing display by a Ferrari driver in my life.

who brought out the safety car in Baku? just answer that one question. and go back and look at the running order before it

and does Vettel make those mistakes after the summer break if he is further up in the championship, i guess that's the big part of my assumption. Vettel is junk I agree with that whole heartedely.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Why? Since according to him, we are not fighting for the WDC this year. What changed his mind I wonder. :Hmm

Now watch Leclerc get an engine failure before then and the epic Sainzman gets one point ahead in the WDC.

'Charles, Carlos 15 seconds behind needs points for P2. Box for fastest lap please' :rotfl

[Cavallino]

Now watch Leclerc get an engine failure before then and the epic Sainzman gets one point ahead in the WDC.

'Charles, Carlos 15 seconds behind needs points for P2. Box for fastest lap please' :rotfl

and my opinions are absurd :roll

[RossTheBoss]

not saying the points will totally make the difference, but Vettel would keep the lead longer, which completely changes the complexion of the second half of the season with how you drive. the season wouldn't have unravled as quickly without the needles accidendts from Maxipad.

because if you go from gaining 10 to losing 10, that's a 20 point swing he costs me
It unraveled quickly because Mercedes brought an engine upgrade at Monza that Ferrari had no answer to. Vettel felt the pressure at Monza to win in front of the tifosi, and so began his 3 spins in 5 races stretch that humiliated Ferrari.

[RossTheBoss]

who brought out the safety car in Baku? just answer that one question. and go back and look at the running order before it
What world are you on? It's clearly not Earth.

The running order before a restart is as meaningless as the halfway mark. There are no points to it. There is no fairness. It's the driver in the leads job to drive defensive and not make any mistakes, like Vettel trying that move on Bottas that not only didn't work, but cost him two places. :lol

[Greig]

Now watch Leclerc get an engine failure before then and the epic Sainzman gets one point ahead in the WDC.

'Charles, Carlos 15 seconds behind needs points for P2. Box for fastest lap please' :rotfl

WDC will be over in that case anyway.

[Alonsomaniac]

Maybe some of you do not agree with me, but what I saw today is that Sainz is not a teamplayer. He is so fixated on beating Leclerc that he does not see the bigger picture. He kept on attacking Leclerc as long as he could stay inside the DRS, which brought him nothing but cost Leclerc a lot of time. As soon as Leclerc managed to get out of the DRS, Sainz couldn't match his pace anymore, but by that time Max was long gone.
Ferrari has to do something about that because this takes us nowhere.

[paolo lalli]

One team one dream, stop overreaching with comments that have no foundations..Both drivers at ferrari have the right to win.Sure strategies could have been better at races but that's racing.Charles is fast sainz is fast, the pecking order after summer as to number 1 will be sorted like it or not Charles has not been given that mandate, the reasons sit with in ferrari.Sainz can not be benched to n2 yet .At red bull its clear max eats perez alive 99 % of the time so its a clear cut decision, at ferrari not so.The desicion will come after these races are concluded.Then it will be clear air for one of our drivers yes its a battle with in for the top dog position at ferrari.As long as its clean and fair good luck to both and moving foward good luck to the preffered driver for the 2nd half of the season .

[stasera]

Why? Is there a rule of qualifying being the measuring stick? The point gap of 49-18 in Max's favor tells the story.

And apart from some fringe opinions, no one in F1 will ever rate Sainz being as good as Max. It's just laughable and you'll get laughed at. It's like saying Trulli is better than Alonso.

Both Max and Charles are generational talents. The only difference is, the former has the whole team wrapped around him while the latter has to fight his own team in some regards.

true as hell

[RossTheBoss]

Maybe some of you do not agree with me, but what I saw today is that Sainz is not a teamplayer. He is so fixated on beating Leclerc that he does not see the bigger picture. He kept on attacking Leclerc as long as he could stay inside the DRS, which brought him nothing but cost Leclerc a lot of time. As soon as Leclerc managed to get out of the DRS, Sainz couldn't match his pace anymore, but by that time Max was long gone.
Ferrari has to do something about that because this takes us nowhere.
At this point, the bigger picture of winning the WDC is gone. WCC is even more gone. It's race wins and staying ahead of Mercedes, or bust. Hence why the team are allowing the drivers to race within reason.

I do think if Leclerc had won in Barcelona and was within 25 of Max, the situation would be different, and will be different again if Leclerc gets within 25 of Max again.

[nani_s23]

Why? Since according to him, we are not fighting for the WDC this year. What changed his mind I wonder. :Hmm

:rotfl Italian media pressure + Tifosi + it’s evident Charles is faster.

But Carlos is there right behind him, that’s good for WCC.

[jgonzalesm6]

And we've seen what happened to Vettel when he left the Newey rocket, he was exposed as mediocre.

Vettel could'nt adapt to the new formula from 2013 going into 2014 as depicted by Ricciardo in 2014......but alot of teams could'nt adapt to the new formula.....only Mercedes.


but who is to say Maxipad isn't in the same boat as Vettel! Even Ricardo kept up with him!

Nope. Max hasn't lost his fervor for racing while adapting from the 2014 thru 2021 formula and the 2022 formula..........Vettel, Ricciardo, and Lewis have not been able to adapt to the 2022 formula.

Vettel along with Ricciardo should just retire from F1.

[stasera]

At this point, the bigger picture of winning the WDC is gone. WCC is even more gone. It's race wins and staying ahead of Mercedes, or bust. Hence why the team are allowing the drivers to race within reason.

I do think if Leclerc had won in Barcelona and was within 25 of Max, the situation would be different, and will be different again if Leclerc gets within 25 of Max again.


WDC or WCC didnt go anywhere, 2 spins or DNF change everything. But the thing here is our strategy guys are very incompetent to get advantage from RB's mistakes.

[nani_s23]

Maybe some of you do not agree with me, but what I saw today is that Sainz is not a teamplayer. He is so fixated on beating Leclerc that he does not see the bigger picture. He kept on attacking Leclerc as long as he could stay inside the DRS, which brought him nothing but cost Leclerc a lot of time. As soon as Leclerc managed to get out of the DRS, Sainz couldn't match his pace anymore, but by that time Max was long gone.
Ferrari has to do something about that because this takes us nowhere.

Sainz got good start & he should have gone for inside of Max rather than outside that was the best shot for him.

Instead he overdrove, which gave Leclerc a chance to attack him in S2. He should have let him pass easily, instead he was keep of defending / attacking eventually his locked his front right tyre & vibrations started. He was just managing the pace from there on.

[RossTheBoss]

I'm just happy to see that Ferrari's straight line speed is now with the Red Bull, and that they can keep up with them in race pace and not fall back terribly. There are wins to be taken, the only question is if the team can control its emotions seeing that.

Like nani_s23, I worry about the drivers coming together, or more idiotic strategy or reliability issues.

[RossTheBoss]

WDC or WCC didnt go anywhere, 2 spins or DNF change everything. But the thing here is our strategy guys are very incompetent to get advantage from RB's mistakes.
Max would need a low points scoring finish and a full out DNF, with Leclerc winning both occasions for the title to be even alive right now.

Can it happen? Sure. But Leclerc will have to win. If the team aren't there to take the wins if bad luck befalls Max, that's on Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

I'm just happy to see that Ferrari's straight line speed is now with the Red Bull, and that they can keep up with them in race pace and not fall back terribly. There are wins to be taken, the only question is if the team can control its emotions seeing that.

Like nani_s23, I worry about the drivers coming together, or more idiotic strategy or reliability issues.

We are not there yet on Straight line speed. RB-Honda still have the edge given their low drag. We need ERS upgrade, hopefully will come at Monza. Let’s see

[Aziz]

https://twitter.com/...807777548877825

I don't want to be controversial, however listening to the TRs I don't understand why they don't exchange information inside the #Ferrari box. #Leclerc says "tell me when tires are ready" because he's waiting to push. #Sainz behind says "I think he's struggling" and Adami "copy," but tell him (that Leclerc is waiting to push)... -->

Other strange thing is Adami's incitement to #Sainz at the time they were side by side, urging him to use K1 to pass.


It seems there are two teams within Ferrari, Leclercs and Sainzs not sharing race info and working against each other

[stasera]

Max would need a low points scoring finish and a full out DNF, with Leclerc winning both occasions for the title to be even alive right now.

Can it happen? Sure. But Leclerc will have to win. If the team aren't there to take the wins if bad luck befalls Max, that's on Ferrari.

yes, thats the point you are right. Leclerc's possibility of winning a gp is very tiny. Because he has to defeat the strategists who regulate his race strategy by undermine him. there is only way winning a gp for leclerc, he should turn off his radio and should not listen the pit wall.

[nani_s23]

It’s about tyre deg & pit strategy tomorrow decides the winner.
If somehow both ferrari drivers work together in a harmony then they can make RB-Max life harder.

Else it’s too easy for him at the moment.

[stasera]

I have some predictions for tomorrow's podium.

Perez was fast as hell today.

Charles and Sainz will fight tomorrow so that make room for verstappen to win tomorrow.

on the side of ferrari, with any fight without crash, leclerc will prevail on sainz. it would be as today. but defeating verstappen will be too late after that.

sainz can not be defeated by russel if he does not make any mistake. im not sure he can save his position, but sainz's performance is rising after british GP, i have still question marks for him

but here's the thing is if perez take russell over at the start or in the first part of the race, he has possibility of taking sainz over too. and guys we have lack of some luck. and RB is so powerful in the strategy calls. we will lose some seconds on the pit lane.

so, i predict like this.

Max
Charles
Perez
Carlos

[Redfive]

I hate to say it as I'm normally against them but we need to enforce team orders. The drivers squabbling with each other is only letting Max run away.

also.. is there anyone Hamilton hasn't hit this year? jeez

[tifosi1993]

It’s about tyre deg & pit strategy tomorrow decides the winner.
If somehow both ferrari drivers work together in a harmony then they can make RB-Max life harder.

Else it’s too easy for him at the moment.

Ferrari can look at Red Bull and learn how to use both drivers properly. Sometimes, RB use Perez to aggressively undercut and pour water on our "plans".
And later when Max catches up, they simply tell Perez to move over.

[wisepie]

Maybe some of you do not agree with me, but what I saw today is that Sainz is not a teamplayer. He is so fixated on beating Leclerc that he does not see the bigger picture. He kept on attacking Leclerc as long as he could stay inside the DRS, which brought him nothing but cost Leclerc a lot of time. As soon as Leclerc managed to get out of the DRS, Sainz couldn't match his pace anymore, but by that time Max was long gone.
Ferrari has to do something about that because this takes us nowhere.

Back onto the thread subject, thankfully, and I agree that there seems to be a divide between the garages over strategy and what info is passed to the drivers, they aren't working in harmony and fighting will cost us dearly. It's also not good Binotto implying that team orders will be imposed after the summer break, depending on who is ahead in the WDC. That doesn't sit well when Charles is quite obviously the quicker driver overall. I sense a Latin division between Spain and Italy brewing but I hope I'm wrong. Decent result today, for a few points, tomorrow is far more important and hopefully it won't be wet.:pray

[tifosi1993]

I have some predictions for tomorrow's podium.

Perez was fast as hell today.

Charles and Sainz will fight tomorrow so that make room for verstappen to win tomorrow.

on the side of ferrari, with any fight without crash, leclerc will prevail on sainz. it would be as today. but defeating verstappen will be too late after that.

sainz can not be defeated by russel if he does not make any mistake. im not sure he can save his position, but sainz's performance is rising after british GP, i have still question marks for him

but here's the thing is if perez take russell over at the start or in the first part of the race, he has possibility of taking sainz over too. and guys we have lack of some luck. and RB is so powerful in the strategy calls. we will lose some seconds on the pit lane.

so, i predict like this.

Max
Charles
Perez
Carlos

That's what I said already. Perez in P5 is a big threat for Sainz. If he tries to initiate another hopeless battle with Charles then he's going to be punished tomorrow. His job is to cover Perez but it's not going to be easy.

[stasera]

https://twitter.com/...807777548877825

I don't want to be controversial, however listening to the TRs I don't understand why they don't exchange information inside the #Ferrari box. #Leclerc says "tell me when tires are ready" because he's waiting to push. #Sainz behind says "I think he's struggling" and Adami "copy," but tell him (that Leclerc is waiting to push)... -->

Other strange thing is Adami's incitement to #Sainz at the time they were side by side, urging him to use K1 to pass.


It seems there are two teams within Ferrari, Leclercs and Sainzs not sharing race info and working against each other


well, this is logical reason. what we did this year when it comes to take a decision. whenever we take an action or decision we failed incredibly stupidly, but more than stupidly. even these decisions and mistakes were too big even cant be a mistake.

in the last gp which carlos won, we had a crisis while taking photo after the race. half of the ream refused to take picture with another half of the team.

well we have two teams under the roof of Ferrari, thats why we fight with each other and fail. the good news is at least we are not that stupid.

[nani_s23]

Mekies: "There are positives and negatives. We have two competitive drivers that could keep a very good pace. You can't anticipate what happens in the first lap, so they overtook each other few times.Then we went into a dynamic where Charles was saving tyres in the first part of the race. It's something we will work with the drivers for tomorrow. In terms of pure pace, the good news was that our cars were very close to Max. We knew we were close, it's positive thinking about tomorrow, more or less the same pace. The race is long, it won't be 100km, but we know we will have the pace to fight”.

[tifosi1993]

I like Mekies, he's more straightforward than Binotto. He's clearly calling out Sainz's shenanigan at the start. Charles was saving the tyres and I'm pretty sure Sainz was supposed to do the same thing and not attack Charles.

[TTRSMAD]

Looking on the inboards, Verstappen squeezed Leclerc at the start and he backed off so much that Sainz passed him. You can expect the same strategy by Verstappen tomorrow unless Leclerc gets him at the start.

Ferrari should put their drivers on different strategies so that they don't fight tomorrow at the start.

[nani_s23]

Looking on the inboards, Verstappen squeezed Leclerc at the start and he backed off so much that Sainz passed him. You can expect the same strategy by Verstappen tomorrow unless Leclerc gets him at the start.

Ferrari should put their drivers on different strategies so that they don't fight tomorrow at the start.

There was a chance for Sainz to make it count against Max. But he went deep in 1st DRS zone, if he got a better exit at that turn, then I believe Sainz would have been P1.

[nani_s23]

Did anyone observe Albon got 5sec penalty by pushing Norris off the track at the same place where in 2019? Lec got pushed off by Max?

Strange F1 :furious

[elnano14]

If I were Ferrari, I'd start Sainz on softs and Leclerc on mediums tomorrow.

[nani_s23]

I like Mekies, he's more straightforward than Binotto. He's clearly calling out Sainz's shenanigan at the start. Charles was saving the tyres and I'm pretty sure Sainz was supposed to do the same thing and not attack Charles.

Tomorrow gonna be crucial. Perez is up there. It’s easy for him to pass Russell.
It’s all about start if Sainz gets a good launch make it count & attack max. If he can’t, then allow Charles to get ahead. That’s it.

[nani_s23]

If I were Ferrari, I'd start Sainz on softs and Leclerc on mediums tomorrow.

Yup … but Softs not a better tyre on full tank. Also SC probability is high. So better to have Softs at last stint.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I've always figured that two stops in theory is faster than one here which was a very bitter experience in 2019. While tyres last well enough not to get completely destroyed, fresh rubber in the exits is vital here. Having said that, I don't know whether we have tyres enough to make it work. Two stops really only are useful if you can double-stint new mediums and those were worn off today weren't they?

Removing the two-stop option, I think starting Carlos on the hards might be a good idea to give Charles a clear run and provide flexibility and track position to mess with Verstappen's pit stop strategy later in the race. Russell is slow on the straights and has no chance staying ahead in triple DRS even should he get a jump on Carlos so it doesn't matter too much.

Or you give Carlos softs and tell him to send it on Verstappen. Knowing Iñaki Rueda though there will be no split strategies and the worst possible tyre choice if there's a safety car :lol

[Cavallino]

There was a chance for Sainz to make it count against Max. But he went deep in 1st DRS zone, if he got a better exit at that turn, then I believe Sainz would have been P1.

no DRS first lap

[458 Italia]

no DRS first lap

First two laps.

[nani_s23]

Slipstream*

[JPZ]

Looking on the inboards, Verstappen squeezed Leclerc at the start and he backed off so much that Sainz passed him. You can expect the same strategy by Verstappen tomorrow unless Leclerc gets him at the start.

Ferrari should put their drivers on different strategies so that they don't fight tomorrow at the start.

Probably taking a lot less risk in the Sprint compared to the race.

[Cavallino]

Probably taking a lot less risk in the Sprint compared to the race.

that's why they really should do away with this, no one is going to risk it and risk starting from the back. and it actually makes the race more boring as those out of position were able to recover.

at the bare minimum, they need to make the results from qualifying stand in the main race as well. but honestly, just get rid of it

[stefa]

I was not able to watch today sprint, and won't be able to watch race. What I have read, it seams we are fighting between self and letting MV win, so nothing new...

[Redfive]

If we want a title at the end of the season, it's time to pick a #1 driver, I don't care which it is, but pick one and the other plays backup like Perez.
if they keep battling between each other then at the end we'll have nothing. Normally I'd be solidly against team orders but looking at the points, it's the only way.

[paolo lalli]

Who ever gets the fastest start attacks max full force, please no collision with our cars this would be a disaster at all levels at ferrari.

[PURE PASSION]

So it looks like Lec managing his tires at the start + that fight with Sainz opend the gap to Max bit on the end he actually had the best pace, not much because Max was managing the pace (as we all guess at the time) but because he started to have tire issues.
So if things be the same tomorrow we actually have a good chance to win !!!!

[paolo lalli]

Fight Max not each other, ferrari are still Rookies when it comes to driver management and strategy.Red bull are miles ahead in these departments, and this ladies and gentleman win titles.

[ntukza]

8051

Max smiling to himself and think, "You idiots!"

[Cavallino]

8051

Max smiling to himself and think, "You idiots!"

how many times has he crashed into his own teammate :roll:lol

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto thinks it is too early for team orders:

"It is not yet time to give team orders, there are only 12 points between the two. Both drivers know that if at some point on has a better chance for the title, we will prioritise them. It is part of the contracts."


If you give these instructions to two of your young drivers. At some point if they crash with each other, then you will come out & speak something else.

Both drivers feel they have best opportunity with current year Car. Hence going for it. They should think of team first, someday somebody need to compromise & play for team. If this is the case at every race I feel nervous not because of we are fighting with Max instead fighting with each other.

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto on team orders for Charles Leclerc:

"If Charles continues to prove that he is the faster driver, and is leading the championship, there will be a priority on him. Both drivers know that. This is really obvious."

What the hell he need to prove? 2 mechanical DNFs & 2 of your pit wall mistakes. Caused him to loose 1st place.

[nani_s23]

Carlos Sainz on the battle with Charles:

"I think today there was very little to gain or lose by the fighting. We're talking about a 1 point difference, as it was a sprint."

"Also, Max looked very in control the whole race. So it's not like we lost out basically."

Charles Leclerc says Ferrari can't afford to repeat the intra-team battle with Sainz again tomorrow.

Charles: "Tomorrow tyre management will be even more important compared to today. We cannot afford to do what we did today."

[KimiBot]

Mattia Binotto thinks it is too early for team orders:

"It is not yet time to give team orders, there are only 12 points between the two. Both drivers know that if at some point on has a better chance for the title, we will prioritise them. It is part of the contracts."




They are so close, I did not know that, of course Charles is better driver and so on, but anyways, I like to see racing. IMO team orders sucks. In every level.

[KimiBot]

Mekies: "There are positives and negatives. We have two competitive drivers that could keep a very good pace. You can't anticipate what happens in the first lap, so they overtook each other few times.Then we went into a dynamic where Charles was saving tyres in the first part of the race. It's something we will work with the drivers for tomorrow. In terms of pure pace, the good news was that our cars were very close to Max. We knew we were close, it's positive thinking about tomorrow, more or less the same pace. The race is long, it won't be 100km, but we know we will have the pace to fight”.

Good news. That is what I want see, fighting.

[Gilles]

Charles' goal last year was to bring a win to a team in bad shape, taking risks on strategy and settings for. With also a little bad luck, he was far from having won all the points that were at his door and by the way gave some to Carlos
Now, this year, Charles' goal is to beat Max
Since his arrival, Carlos' goal is to beat Charles to have the team for himself
His yesterday’s statements confirm this, but they all have been in this direction since the beginning
No, he can’t say he’s free to attack Charles while he’s handling the tires because in all case Max is too fast anyway
It is not up to him to decide and in any case it is only him who is not at Max’s level, Charles is at his level (i can show the dada proving that, but it's the same since ever)
I’ve been saying for a long time that I prefer that Sainz misses his qualifications, because I fear above all that he will crush Charles
Greig, no, Carlos doesn’t have the charles' speed, he never had it and never will
And yes he must be fired, he and his people are destructive for the team
We can talk about it again after the crash that has all the chances to happen as well as at the end of the year, when we realize that the title was possible without the devastating behavior of this second zone driver

Give the kid the team!

[Hornet]

Carlos Sainz on the battle with Charles:

"I think today there was very little to gain or lose by the fighting. We're talking about a 1 point difference, as it was a sprint."

"Also, Max looked very in control the whole race. So it's not like we lost out basically."

Charles Leclerc says Ferrari can't afford to repeat the intra-team battle with Sainz again tomorrow.

Charles: "Tomorrow tyre management will be even more important compared to today. We cannot afford to do what we did today."

If both drivers tangled and DNF yesterday, we would be losing more than just 1 points

[Gilles]

They are so close, I did not know that, of course Charles is better driver and so on, but anyways, I like to see racing. IMO team orders sucks. In every level.

Where did you see they are close?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXPT0TGXkAI5bBS?format=jpg&name=small
Also, it's more about intelligence than about team orders
As Charles said, fighting at the start (thanks to the track clean side start, the Max move on Charles and the 3 drs zones) instead of setting up the tires to beat Max is totaly stupid
Carlos' overtakings were all defeated by Max and Charles, all this to finish at four seconds. As always, he does not see that he is ridiculous and is ready to start again

Give the kid the team!

[JPZ]

I hate to say it as I'm normally against them but we need to enforce team orders. The drivers squabbling with each other is only letting Max run away.

also.. is there anyone Hamilton hasn't hit this year? jeez

This has to be done immediately.

Binotto says after the summer break, but this could be too late.

[JPZ]

I was not able to watch today sprint, and won't be able to watch race. What I have read, it seams we are fighting between self and letting MV win, so nothing new...

The year Ferrari finally has the fastest car/good enough for the WDC, and then all this...

[Gilles]

The year Ferrari finally has the fastest car/good enough for the WDC, and then all this...

Shame

Give the kid the team!

[Gilles]

Mattia Binotto on team orders for Charles Leclerc:

"If Charles continues to prove that he is the faster driver, and is leading the championship, there will be a priority on him. Both drivers know that. This is really obvious."

What the hell he need to prove? 2 mechanical DNFs & 2 of your pit wall mistakes. Caused him to loose 1st place.

Mattia is a genius!

Give the kid the team!

[JPZ]

Mattia is a genius!

Give the kid the team!

It's been clear for several years Leclerc is the fastest driver and also the one Ferrari invested in the most for their future.

Team mistakes cost him at least 3 wins.

Don't know what else more he is supposed to 'prove'.

[faloupas]

Binnottos comments about team orders etc are funny.The man is a clown.There are 12 points difference between our drivers because you screw Charles race by race.
Also i see some people trying to tell us that Sainz is the right man for the championship...he s not...as Massa was not.
Today i see Ferrari 1-2.I dont know how but i see it.

[stasera]

Sainz is slow as hell. Charles already proven that he is the fastest guy on the grid. he has incredibly potential.

Max and Charles are really so fast.
but you know if perez finds his rhythm he can be fast as fast max, even sometimes he beats him, specially in qualifying though not that often. however he cant remain at this level continually. yet he has a level that never falls below more than a line.
Russell looks fast. and bottas, alonso etc.

Sainz is just a mediocre driver. its like albon in RB. He doesnt have championship material

[JPZ]

Binnottos comments about team orders etc are funny.The man is a clown.There are 12 points difference between our drivers because you screw Charles race by race.
Also i see some people trying to tell us that Sainz is the right man for the championship...he s not...as Massa was not.
Today i see Ferrari 1-2.I dont know how but i see it.

Yes, by Leclerc's own merit he should have considerably more points.

There's nothing more for him to prove. It is clear he is the fastest driver.

[Petalpusher]

Yes Binotto, let Lec loose the maximum points possible each GP and don't give team order... so you won't have to give team orders at the end as there will be no possible championship to win anymore for either of them.

This is a running gag. Also Sainz can't count, it's not a 1 pt difference, if you win you get 1 more point and max looses 1, that's 2 points.

Sainz attacking in the first lap was incredibly stupid, they loose the DRS on max, and then he doesn't even send it on him while he had the chance T2, completely useless.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Sainz is a 7th-8th calibre driver, don't get me wrong he's okay as far as speed goes for a #2. For speed, If you ask for speed I'd have him over Gasly and the always lucky Pérez any day of the week. Vettel has a higher ceiling than Sainz but is hard to judge these days so for me it's hard to say whether choosing Sainz over him was the right call. He does make Stroll look silly most of the time in a bottom-feeder car though.

Either way, the problem Sainz has is that he's gotten into his own head that he's the natural successor of Senna or something and that clearly leads to problems when harsh reality checks aren't levelled.

Barrichello as a top five driver on the grid knew his role and his place in the team and was fast enough to steal points away from our rivals. If Michael had been elsewhere, Rubens would've won the '02 and '04 titles. Dealing with Sainz right now it truly makes me appreciate what a special and invaluable #2 Rubens actually was for us.

[Gilles]

8051

Max smiling to himself and think, "You idiots!"

Helmut Marko :
“Ferrari was very close to us. But luckily for us they fought each other. We accept it with a slight surprise, but also with gratitude because this gave Max two seconds ahead and from that moment on he led the race alone”

[Gilles]

https://twitter.com/...807777548877825

I don't want to be controversial, however listening to the TRs I don't understand why they don't exchange information inside the #Ferrari box. #Leclerc says "tell me when tires are ready" because he's waiting to push. #Sainz behind says "I think he's struggling" and Adami "copy," but tell him (that Leclerc is waiting to push)... -->

Other strange thing is Adami's incitement to #Sainz at the time they were side by side, urging him to use K1 to pass.


It seems there are two teams within Ferrari, Leclercs and Sainzs not sharing race info and working against each other

There is the will to pass Sainz ahead of Leclerc, on the track as in the championship
As Binotto thinks reliability will prevent us to win the title, he looks more on 2023
So he uses this season to give a present to a strategic sponsor and reinforce Leclerc' mentality with continuous frustration
Sainz was chosen for his "special" mentality and to catch back Santander

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2022/07/f1-ferrari-mekies-2.html?refresh_ce=8514

Give the kid the team!

[KimiBot]

Where did you see they are close?

Points man, only 12 points difference, I thought that it would be something like 50 points or so.

[Gilles]

Points man, only 12 points difference, I thought that it would be something like 50 points or so.

Ok I've misunderstood you, sorry

[Brembo]

Charles is Carlos idol rightfully so . Charles pushed every race and got 4x WDC to surrender. A 1,2 Ferrari finish every race should be the goal! No team orders!