2022 Austrian Grand Prix - -Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[tifosi1993]

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[tifosi1993]

3 DRS zones in a track like this is completely bonkers. Nearly 80% of the track is covered with DRS and the car behind will enjoy massive advantage.

[FerrariF60]

3 DRS zones in a track like this is completely bonkers. Nearly 80% of the track is covered with DRS and the car behind will enjoy massive advantage.

so we'll see lots of passes back an fourth....

[Tifoso Svedese]

With several slow corners and a lot of torque rather than top speed required I expect the car to be very fast this weekend. The double left in the middle of the circuit also should suit the car extremely well. Having said that, it doesn't usually appear to be enough due to the insert insult here on the pitwall.

[paolo lalli]

Red bull need to raise there car, the flexi floor is under the fia microscope ,if they do not comply they risk being disqualified.Ferrari will not be as effected because they have not fully solved there bouncing issue so any changes relating to height will be minimal, redbull will probably be most effected regardless of what Dr death Marko states the man who always talks things up.The big winner is mercedes and that two faced wolf, will be interesting to see how there fia influenced up grades go, the ones no body can see.Mercedes must be nearing there budget limit know like most teams, but then again it is mercedes after all and they manipulate the fia time and time again.To have them back in the fight I must admit is good for the sport its how its achieved thats the issue.As always expect the unexpected.

[patrese86]

While the track surface it's self is smooth round here there are a lot of elevation changes which might effect the cars bouncing, even though our car bounces it tends to absorb them quite well as it does the kerbs. Quietly optimistic we should be okay in that sense. However I am a little pessimistic that our traction isn't quite as influential as the early part of the season.

[458 Italia]

They throw red flags for anything these days!

[gump1480]

Any proposing issues for Ferrari ?

[PURE PASSION]

Any proposing issues for Ferrari ?
Lots of issues.Dont know about porpoising.

[Aziz]

It really shows it was worth backing Sainz for the win last week. He's so much quicker now:rotfl

[gump1480]

Lots of issues.Dont know about porpoising.

Woah !! What sort of issues with the car this weekend ?

[patrese86]

Woah !! What sort of issues with the car this weekend ?

Just the issue that Max looks faster. We haven't brought the upgrades we need to stay competitive with Red Bull really.

[PURE PASSION]

Did Merco was right, that Honda's "special" turbo is making the difference here ??

[gump1480]

Just the issue that Max looks faster. We haven't brought the upgrades we need to stay competitive with Red Bull really.

This was supposed to be RB track. Given 3 DRS zones, Ferrari can't keep that RB behind...better to sit behind the RB and pounce on any mistake. To be honest, I have no hope ...even when Lec is faster, Ferrari screws up. Just hoping for a close race between Ves and Lec

[Tifoso Svedese]

It's way too early to say.

Leclerc's 2019 pole lap: 1.03.0
Leclerc's 2022 FP1 lap: 1.06.5

[Ferrari312T4]

If we aren't keeping our eye on the ball we could be outpaced by Merc. We need another step. But perhaps we are now more conservative with our engine modes? I wonder. But it seems Red Bull definitely have yhe upper hand. We need some upgrades. Perhaps engine upgrades to solve our reliability issues without losing power. And if that's not the case, find more aero gain.

[Ferrari312T4]

We are losing time in sector 1 and two it seems.Long straights....

[jgonzalesm6]

Cost cap increase by 3.1%.

[nani_s23]

Did Merco was right, that Honda's "special" turbo is making the difference here ??

They have the edge here. It’s just we need to wait & sit behind to make them a mistake.

At least Perez is struggling that’s good for us. Worst thing is Sainz neither quicker than those Mercs.
Too early to judge let’s wait for Sprint when ferrari turn up their engines. What gives me hope is K-Mag time on Softs.

[458 Italia]

Looks like the 2 way fight has definitely become a 3 way fight permanently.

[Super M]

Intresting :Hmm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-delays-f1-porpoising-directive-until-belgian-gp/10334831/?fbclid=IwAR2AaVtnHi8jlKswtedAA__08PASym8obOrR-hccninh7ol3S-JyjvKryEo

[Super M]

Oh, and a bit of this......


https://scuderiafans.com/in-photos-ferrari-new-tech-updates-and-developments-in-spielberg-2022-austrian-gp/?fbclid=IwAR1L8WwVo-Z6wSB-uKLq_-wDZKqeb8O_oCa-4Z2nKd210TzInNmWkUmp5l8

[nani_s23]

Helmut Marko said that Ferrari have not used full power during FP1. He expects a close fight between Red Bull and Ferrari in quali.

[FerrariF60]

Any good links for quali

[tifosi1993]

Times on used softs don't look bad at all. I hope they aren't going to waste a set of softs for Q1. Done more than enough for go to the Q2.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Not allowing to use kerbs is just dumb. Track limits suck.

[FerrariF60]

Times on used softs don't look bad at all. I hope they aren't going to waste a set of softs for Q1. Done more than enough for go to the Q2.

any good links for quali

thx

[elnano14]

Any good links for quali

http://ny.freestreams-live1.com/skysportsf1-stream/

[458 Italia]

Both Ferraris are going to burn another set of softs in Q1.

[FerrariF60]

http://ny.freestreams-live1.com/skysportsf1-stream/

thank you

[gump1480]

Both Ferraris are going to burn another set of softs in Q1.

I heard the previous set was used....were we the only ones or RB also on used tires?

[PURE PASSION]

The other where also in old tires??

[RossTheBoss]

Riccardo is going to get canned if he doesn't start performing.

[gump1480]

The other where also in old tires??

No idea

[WS6TransAm01]

Riccardo is going to get canned if he doesn't start performing.

It's really sad what's happened to Danny. I always really liked him and hoped he would be successful. Oh well.

[RossTheBoss]

One of the best moves of Binotto was letting Vettel go. Clearly, Vettel has declined massively since 2017.

[RossTheBoss]

It's really sad what's happened to Danny. I always really liked him and hoped he would be successful. Oh well.
Yeah, he and Vettel both are sad cases of what happens when you're car sensitive. Good drivers, but they need the cars to handle well to perform.

[gump1480]

One of the best moves of Binotto was letting Vettel go. Clearly, Vettel has declined massively since 2017.

I think since 2018 hockenheim

[RossTheBoss]

Remember when we all got so sick of Vettel at RB? Then when he became an embarrassment at Ferrari? Now, it's just sad. Seriously, it's just sad.

[458 Italia]

Ted very happily saying we used 2 new sets in q1.

[RossTheBoss]

Yuck. Mercedes.

[gump1480]

Ted very happily saying we used 2 new sets in q1.

No...he just said we had to use the 2 nd set of tires...didn't say 2 new set.

[PURE PASSION]

I think we where on Q1s tires.
They wasn't shiny exiting the pits

[totox]

used soft for out boys

[458 Italia]

I think we where on Q1s tires.
They wasn't shiny exiting the pits

Yes for the first run in q2.

[WS6TransAm01]

I think we where on Q1s tires.
They wasn't shiny exiting the pits

correct. Even the commentators said Charles was on used softs

[tifosi1993]

Out on new softs

[458 Italia]

Seeing merc fastest makes me feel sick.

[PURE PASSION]

Why going out ??I'm pretty sure we are safe.
We have 1 less set if softs!!!

[RossTheBoss]

Seeing merc fastest makes me feel sick.
I know.

Enemy number 1.

[Aziz]

What makes me sick is how bad we are at making the car faster with in season upgrades

[458 Italia]

What makes me sick is how bad we are at making the car faster with in season upgrades

Even compared to Alpine who are bringing regular updates for their car.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Getting both cars in front of Mercedes is going to be a puzzle. Not good.

[ferrari1.8t]

Getting both cars in front of Mercedes is going to be a puzzle. Not good.

I have said it earlier, if Merc start beating us it will be a complete failure and embarrassment. All the points we lost early in the season will come back to haunt us.

What a crooked team Merc is. I wish they would just leave F1 for good….

[FerrariF60]

I have said it earlier, if Merc start beating us it will be a complete failure and embarrassment. All the points we lost early in the season will come back to haunt us.

What a crooked team Merc is. I wish they would just leave F1 for good….

well it's NOt the driver's fault taht our reliabilty has been crap....otherwise Leclerc would NOT be in this situation....

but yeah, the Merc team with Toto and Co. are crooked and hand in hand with the FIA

[Tifoso Svedese]

I have said it earlier, if Merc start beating us it will be a complete failure and embarrassment. All the points we lost early in the season will come back to haunt us.

What a crooked team Merc is. I wish they would just leave F1 for good….

Binotto looks more worried about the kung flu/china lab virus than about the competition though. Pathetic paranoid Italians :lol

[WS6TransAm01]

Binotto looks more worried about the kung flu/china lab virus than about the competition though. Pathetic paranoid Italians :lol

priorities.....

[Tifoso Svedese]

priorities.....

Some grannies in Bergamo died and now the entire country has been a psych ward for two years with the face nappies in full force :roll

[458 Italia]

Grid penalty coming up for Perez.

[RossTheBoss]

Wow. Blatant from Perez.

Bad feeling about that Mercedes pace.

[Ferrarichamp]

Binotto looks more worried about the kung flu/china lab virus than about the competition though. Pathetic paranoid Italians :lol

I didn't know Binotto respresented the entire Italian nation.

[Tifoso Svedese]

They better be able to manage the tyres because 0.3 s is being given away to Verstappen before the uphill hairpin. Ridiculously slow.

[458 Italia]

hamilton crashed :-D

[Tifoso Svedese]

At least that should be one Merc and one Bull down for tomorrow.

[PURE PASSION]

Anyone with live timing??
How was lec S1 compare to his previous laps (Q2)

[tifosi1993]

I didn't know Binotto respresented the entire Italian nation.

Ignore him. Lives in Sweden but acts like a redneck American. :lol

[patrese86]

Haha. You love to see it.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ignore him. Lives in Sweden but acts like a redneck American. :lol

Don't forget yer tenth booster lad :lol

Hamilton just did a classic mistake on an asymmetric track like this. The right side tyres are quite cold when you get there because you don't use them.

[458 Italia]

That really warms my heart watching that :rotfl

[PURE PASSION]

Charles: "What the ****, what the ****? Come on. That was a pretty **** lap."
Charles: "We will be fine in the second lap."

#AustrianGP

[WS6TransAm01]

Oh no... anyway....

[tifosi1993]

Merc isn't a concern, this is between Charles and Max.

But Max was over the track limit but still keeps his time. Perez's track limit infraction will be investigated after the quali. Talk about consistency. :lol

[458 Italia]

Hopefully the gearbox is damaged as well as the suspension for good measure :-D

[tifosi1993]

Don't forget yer tenth booster lad :lol

Hamilton just did a classic mistake on an asymmetric track like this. The right side tyres are quite cold when you get there because you don't use them.

Better than whatever booster you're on grandpa. Go take your meds and calm down, otherwise you might pop a blood vessel or something. :rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

Surely Binotto will protest Verstappen's time? Maybe it needs to stand for the good of the sport :oops

[458 Italia]

Ted doesn't like the crowd cheering when hamilton crashed but is fine when hamilton fans do it.

[458 Italia]

Now croft is having a good moan about the crowd cheering :lol

[tifosi1993]

Ted doesn't like the crowd cheering when hamilton crashed but is fine when hamilton fans do it.

Yeah. Dutch fans aren't better than Hamilton fans and vice versa.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Better than whatever booster you're on grandpa. Go take your meds and calm down, otherwise you might pop a blood vessel or something. :rotfl

Meh you're probably just a Brit still clapping the NHS :lol Love the banter mate.

[ferrari1.8t]

Now croft is having a good moan about the crowd cheering :lol

Croft is a pathetic Hamilton fanboy….

[tifosi1993]

Meh you're probably just a Brit still clapping the NHS :lol Love the banter mate.

Better than clapping all the inbred hillbillies while living in Sweden. :lol

[458 Italia]

Croft is a pathetic Hamilton fanboy….

He's a bit "leave Britney alone!" when it comes to hamilton.

[WS6TransAm01]

Sky sounds distraught. Like "how could this possibly happen?"

I'm surprised they are not blaming RBR and Ferrari for sabotage.

They sound like they are at a wake.

[tifosi1993]

Another Merc crashed.

[458 Italia]

Russell :rotfl

[WS6TransAm01]

This is ridiculous....

[RossTheBoss]

No ****ing way. :rotfl

[ferrari1.8t]

Hahah karma is a you know what Mercedes!

Cheat your way back into contention and this is what you get!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

In the end there will be no time left.
I think Lec has this pole but with this and that.....

[Tifoso Svedese]

Silver barri-arrows :roll

[ferrari1.8t]

Sky sounds distraught. Like "how could this possibly happen?"

I'm surprised they are not blaming RBR and Ferrari for sabotage.

They sound like they are at a wake.

“We’ve never ever ever seen Hamilton crash on his own before, what ever will we do with ourselves”? Lol Sky is a complete joke, they are definitely acting like they are at a funeral….

[patrese86]

Don't think we can get Pole now. That red flag has messed it up for Charles

[tifosi1993]

Don't think we can get Pole now. That red flag has messed it up for Charles

He can still do it.

[RossTheBoss]

Sky sounds distraught. Like "how could this possibly happen?"

I'm surprised they are not blaming RBR and Ferrari for sabotage.

They sound like they are at a wake.
Mercedes have bad oversteer now.

Fix one thing with an upgrade, break another.

[WS6TransAm01]

Don't think we can get Pole now. That red flag has messed it up for Charles

Charles has the ability, no doubt. There may be just enough time.

[ferrari1.8t]

Maybe they gave Russell the team orders to crash so cry baby Hamilton wouldn’t feel so bad! Lol or so theres one’s less car for him to pass tomorrow lmao….:rotfl

[WS6TransAm01]

Why is Ferrari the only team in masks?

I thought we were done paying this stupid game?

[elnano14]

We lost so much time in sector 1. 0.3s in a very short sector

[458 Italia]

It's funny how apart from Horner/woof woof the other TPs can't really be bothered to engage with croft and brundle when they speak to the pit wall.

[RossTheBoss]

In the end there will be no time left.
I think Lec has this pole but with this and that.....
Yeah, looks like Max's pole.

[458 Italia]

Noooo!!!

[tifosi1993]

0.029 So close. Well done to both Ferrari boys.

[458 Italia]

Damn it!

[458 Italia]

I thought Charles had it!

[RossTheBoss]

CRAP! I thought Leclerc had it.

[WS6TransAm01]

WOW

That was so close....

[patrese86]

So close! Good effort, got closer than I thought we would.

[stefa]

The arw so close!!! From 1st to 3rd just 0.0082!
Any way, not bad considering that there are 3 DRS on this track, so pole is not that crucial!

[RossTheBoss]

Looks like Ferrari are finally on par with the Red Bull's straight speed.

Game on for the races.

[elnano14]

Game still on, with both Mercedes are far behind and Perez struggling, as long as our pitwall don't do stupid things

[Greig]

So close, we can beat him in the sprint though, good to see Carlos right on the pace also while Perez struggles.

[tifosi1993]

The real worry starts tomorrow. Ferrari's pitwall may surprise me with even more incompetence but I'm prepared.

[hakanabi]

Game still on, with both Mercedes are far behind and Perez struggling, as long as our pitwall don't do stupid things

That's what I am afraid of, that pitwall. :roll

[gump1480]

Well for once Lec couldn't create that magic on last lap. His S2 was poor... S1 has been our Achilles heel.. So not much scope there.

[Cavallino]

Looks like Ferrari are finally on par with the Red Bull's straight speed.

Game on for the races.

with higher engine modes we get close, but we still make our laptime in a completely different way.

[Cavallino]

The real worry starts tomorrow. Ferrari's pitwall may surprise me with even more incompetence but I'm prepared.

there aren't normally pit stops in a sprint. They just stick the mediums on a go.

But we're going to have to be content with second in the sprint i'm afraid, because without a pit stop, you'll need massive tyre wear on the Fizzy Drink cars to overtake them.

[Tifoso Svedese]

What will matter is degrading the tyres less on Sunday. Making laptime in the double left and the final pair of turns is key part of that in normal times but the 2022 Red Bull defies laws of physics sometimes, that's the problem.

[Cavallino]

What will matter is degrading the tyres less on Sunday. Making laptime in the double left and the final pair of turns is key part of that in normal times but the 2022 Red Bull defies laws of physics sometimes, that's the problem.

yeah, the car with less wing should wear tyres more, but instead Fizzy Drinks have a slight edge possibly.

[patrese86]

Sky blaming the wind now for the Merc's crashing

Lmao

[gump1480]

with higher engine modes we get close, but we still make our laptime in a completely different way.

Yeah..Ferrari PU Q3 mode is something else. But I guess 1 lap of that mode reduces the life of engine by 1 race

[gump1480]

Sky blaming the wind now for the Merc's crashing

Lmao

Yeah I heard...they were claiming that only Mercs were there when that tail wind started on turn 8. And then headwind on turn 10 for Russel

[WS6TransAm01]

Sky blaming the wind now for the Merc's crashing

Lmao

must have been their own hot air

[nani_s23]

I assume Perez will receive penalty? Exceeding track limits in Q2?

[Tifoso Svedese]

I assume Perez will receive penalty? Exceeding track limits in Q2?

He got away with cutting a corner nearly crashing into Charles on the way back last time so I'm not holding my breath since there's always this chance that Max International Assistance will be in full force helping Red Bull again. Binotto will then mumble something about for the good of the sport as the other Bull is wheeled up to within striking distance for the start tomorrow :lol

[nani_s23]

He got away with cutting a corner nearly crashing into Charles on the way back last time so I'm not holding my breath since there's always this chance that Max International Assistance will be in full force helping Red Bull again. Binotto will then mumble something about for the good of the sport as the other Bull is wheeled up to within striking distance for the start tomorrow :lol

I don’t think it’s easy to get away now. He clearly exceeded the line, lap time would have been deleted. He moves to P11.
Instead he was into Q3. Gasly is at loss now.

[wisepie]

Going on the number of fruitless poles Charles has had this year, I'll happily accept P2 in quali for the sprint race, and Carlos P3. Two Mercs in the wall and possible penalty for Perez, so let's hope we can capitalise. Not sure I like the idea of 6 sprint races next year, though.:roll

[PURE PASSION]

Μax track limits??!!!!
88050

[stasera]

both drivers were excellent, it was amazing and super exciting!

also it was like what i have said before. (in the quoite) I was expecting that we could compete with redbulls, and we did it.

If we dont mess up in the strategy, we can win the sprint race and the main race. Sainz looks so fast he seems have no problem with his self-confidence



I do not agree on that. Because there is only one very long straight in Austria. The starting straight is medium lenght. It's like in Barcelona. Even though the 3rd straight is the DRS area, but it is difficult to pass bcz its not too long. Already Redbull cars manage to be faster than Ferraris towards the end of the straight not the starting. but already ferrari cars cover the distance faster than redbulls and In addition, track-team harmony does not mean much. Because many times, they won on tracks that were suitable for our vehicles. Why not vice versa. Besides, our car is not slow either. Plus there's the Charles factor. Incredibly fast, he will definitely take the pole, and he will break his unluckiness.

as sebastian once said "the man of the future" and "the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1" and urged the 23-year-old "not to waste it" i have eternal trust in him

[FerrariF60]

So much for Marco flapping his gums about that turbo of the Honda engine working
Better at higher altitude….seems like Ferrari’s is just as good

[ferrari1.8t]

Μax track limits??!!!!
88050

Was this on his pole lap? If so it should be investigated…

[elnano14]

Μax track limits??!!!!
88050

As long as one of his tyres touching the white line, then it's not track limit

[Redfive]

Happy with 2nd and 3rd, I feel this will be a good weekend for us, just need to not make any dumb strategy calls.

As for Hamilton, Mr lucky again. of course he crashes at a sprint weekend, so he gets another shot at qually. lol

[PURE PASSION]

Was this on his pole lap? If so it should be investigated…

Yes it was on his pole lap.
But it's too close to call. The front right might be millimeters on the white line.

[ferrari1.8t]

Yes it was on his pole lap.
But it's too close to call. The front right might be millimeters on the white line.

Going to have install a VAR type system and sensors in the tires like goal-line technology lol

But at least an investigation to show consistency…

[PURE PASSION]

So in RedBull track (all straights and very few corners) in high altitude where it supposed to benefit the super special Honda turbo ,we end up 29 milliseconds behind in P2 and another 90 in P3. And with a not so good lap from Lec!!!
I'm happy with our performance.
Let's see if our luck will change now that we don't start from pole!!!

[subfire91]

does anyone have sector time of leclerc regarding his 2 attempts in Q3 ?

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari sandwich on its way.The boys must attack max to no end sandwich and pressure him enjoy his slip stream, under pressure max will crack perez can't help him, baring ****ups it should be epic.Dr Death marko wrong again, thank God he is not a medical doctor the miss diagnosis would be astonishing resulting in removal of licence to practice, just a menace **** string Austrian should be yodelling with Totto in the Alps.

[Cavallino]

Yeah I heard...they were claiming that only Mercs were there when that tail wind started on turn 8. And then headwind on turn 10 for Russel

i think it was either Russell or Norris who lost it in Zandvort last year, that was also the wind.

Only the wind when it's one of their favorites.

When Sainz went in the gravel at Spain it was Sainz being Sainz, when Maxipad did it too it was the wind suddenly.

[Cavallino]

what are the strategies for tomorrow? Mediums and no pit stops right?

[stasera]

starting with hards is kinda risky. Mediums seem will resist till end of the race, but softs dont. if it rains, there is no possibility of a faultless strategy. we will definitelly make mistake in the strategy side. specially in the main race. i think there will be a bit downpour in sunday.

[patrese86]

Can anyone give me optimism for a win tomorrow/Sunday?

We had a good Quali today but we know even when we've been on pole Red Bull are stronger in race trim. I'm very anxious about our starts lately, we just don't seem to get away that well and it costs us a chance to put our car ahead into turn 1 most GP's.

[Cavallino]

Can anyone give me optimism for a win tomorrow/Sunday?

We had a good Quali today but we know even when we've been on pole Red Bull are stronger in race trim. I'm very anxious about our starts lately, we just don't seem to get away that well and it costs us a chance to put our car ahead into turn 1 most GP's.

not sure how much it matters, if we're ahead and our tyres start to go off, with 3 DRS zones, we will be over taken by the Fizzy Drinks team. If we're behind, it'll take massive tyre wear on the fizzy drink team to get by.

If the tyre wear is basically equal, then the start is going to be oh so critical.

that is assuming both teams choose to to run mediums with no pits in the sprint. so far the armchair strategists here have yet to weigh in, preferring to hide behind hindsight.

[stefa]

Going on the number of fruitless poles Charles has had this year, I'll happily accept P2 in quali for the sprint race, and Carlos P3. Two Mercs in the wall and possible penalty for Perez, so let's hope we can capitalise. Not sure I like the idea of 6 sprint races next year, though.:roll

Good points!

[JPZ]

The real worry starts tomorrow. Ferrari's pitwall may surprise me with even more incompetence but I'm prepared.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

[FerrariF60]

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

that's all we can do....unfortunately Ferrari strategy always been 50-50.....they either get it right or wrong....most of the time they botch it....

i'm still waiting for them to prove me wrong.....not just once in a while, but constantly prove me wrong

[RossTheBoss]

Hopefully the Ferrari's get through the cluster**** that's going to be the first two corners.

[nani_s23]

All Q3 times canceled at Checo Perez

@Giuliano Duchessa

[nani_s23]

Perez will be starting 10th. Good for us.

[stasera]

good, there is no mercedes, no perez. we need to eat verstappen alive with 2 cars

[Greig]

Perez P13?

[nani_s23]

Leclerc is starting on dirty side of track. Hope he doesn’t loose his position. Sainz has very best chance on Max if he gets good launch.

Leclerc need to be very careful.

[nani_s23]

Perez P13?

P10

[Greig]

P10

Read they deleted his Q2 lap that was the off track which left him P13....

[nani_s23]

Read they deleted his Q2 lap that was the off track which left him P13....

They were saying all Q3 laps were deleted. Which puts him on P10.

Correction: Perez will start from P13, official note from FIA.

[stefa]

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

Always!

[PURE PASSION]

Leclerc is starting on dirty side of track. Hope he doesn’t loose his position. Sainz has very best chance on Max if he gets good launch.

Leclerc need to be very careful.

If Sainz jump Lec ,I'm afraid it will be game over for us.it would be hard for Sainz to keep up with Max and he will not let Lec pass

[nani_s23]

Leclerc lost pole position in the last corner! In Austria new confirmations that the F1-75 no longer suffers an important difference in efficiency with the RB18. The projects have come closer

@formula.uno

[Brembo]

If Sainz jump Lec ,I'm afraid it will be game over for us.it would be hard for Sainz to keep up with Max and he will not let Lec pass

Sainz vs Max , Charles vs Max . If their Ferrari cars hold out they are equally able to beat Max. And..... perfect pit stops will for sure help.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Finally a Red Bull driver nailed for something this season, never thought I'd see the day :lol

[Riccardog]

Finally a Red Bull driver nailed for something this season, never thought I'd see the day :lol

Indeed, but sadly not for the reasons that should be, but to ease a certain other driver one less car to battle with...
I noticed that the other driver investigated got simply a warning...oh wait it's a merchant driver....

[Cavallino]

Leclerc is starting on dirty side of track. Hope he doesn’t loose his position. Sainz has very best chance on Max if he gets good launch.

Leclerc need to be very careful.

yeah, i am inclined to agree with you, assuming everyone is on the same tyres. But if this is the case, on the run down to turn 2. he has to get it done. Maxipad will be tough to pass, but he has to be smarter and back out. Sainz has to be as aggressive and ridiculous as Maxipad usually is. Because Leclerc in 3rd at that point behind Sainz is a disaster, Sainz has to make it stick at all costs, even if it means they're both out.

Do or do not, there is no try.

[Gilles]

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Give the kid the team!

[JPMFerrari]

I just hope the Ferrari pit strategy doesn't hurt Charles again in this race.

[Tony]

Rumors making the rounds that Binotto's position is no longer secure...

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/un-uomo-solo-al-comando-binotto-ferrari-leclerc-vigna-elkann-625093.html

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc arrived -0.035s ahead of Max Verstappen in the final corner...

...but Max got a much better exit and gained 64 thousandths in this turn alone to end up on pole.

Carlos Sainz arrived at the final turn -0.009s ahead.

[Toothlessrage*]

Rumors making the rounds that Binotto's position is no longer secure...

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/un-uomo-solo-al-comando-binotto-ferrari-leclerc-vigna-elkann-625093.html

Even though, this is a rumor.
I don't think it would be a good idea to sack Binnoto now because it'd only be detrimental to Ferrari's challenges in later years.

What would be a good idea is to get a person to partner with Binnoto to handle the politics and help Binnoto as an enforcer.

[Gilles]

Even though, this is a rumor.
I don't think it would be a good idea to sack Binnoto now because it'd only be detrimental to Ferrari's challenges in later years.

What would be a good idea is to get a person to partner with Binnoto to handle the politics and help Binnoto as an enforcer.
Yes, we have to put Binotto in the factory and have someone else lead the team. Remember what he did to Vetel, it’s not like he was bad for the first time
Binotto reminds me Forghierri, I think everyone should operate where he is competent, otherwise it’s a disaster

Give the kid the team!

[Toothlessrage*]

Yes, we have to put Binotto in the factory and have someone else lead the team. Remember what he did to Vetel, it’s not like he was bad for the first time
Binotto reminds me Forghierri, I think everyone should operate where he is competent, otherwise it’s a disaster

Give the kid the team!

If Ferrari were to demote Binnoto, it's obvious he'd resign. He (or anyone else) wouldn't be able to take that humiliation.
If Binnoto resigns, then he'd most probably leave with a grudge and look to reveal team secrets.

But, I say Binnoto has kept his word and delivered a strong machine: the F1 - 75
He bought in 2 strong pilots: Leclerc and Sainz
The only area, I say, he lacks is team dynamics and politics.

That's why I suggested he should have an enforcer to address any weaknesses and
to extract every ounce of performance available from the team.

Even though, I criticize Binnoto.
I still have faith in him.

[PURE PASSION]

If Ferrari were to demote Binnoto, it's obvious he'd resign. He (or anyone else) wouldn't be able to take that humiliation.
If Binnoto resigns, then he'd most probably leave with a grudge and look to reveal team secrets.

But, I say Binnoto has kept his word and delivered a strong machine: the F1 - 75
He bought in 2 strong pilots: Leclerc and Sainz
The only area, I say, he lacks is team dynamics and politics.

That's why I suggested he should have an enforcer to address any weaknesses and
to extract every ounce of performance available from the team.

Even though, I criticize Binnoto.
I still have faith in him.

Agree

[Greig]

If Ferrari were to demote Binnoto, it's obvious he'd resign. He (or anyone else) wouldn't be able to take that humiliation.
If Binnoto resigns, then he'd most probably leave with a grudge and look to reveal team secrets.

But, I say Binnoto has kept his word and delivered a strong machine: the F1 - 75
He bought in 2 strong pilots: Leclerc and Sainz
The only area, I say, he lacks is team dynamics and politics.

That's why I suggested he should have an enforcer to address any weaknesses and
to extract every ounce of performance available from the team.

Even though, I criticize Binnoto.
I still have faith in him.

Agreed, he has us on the right path now. He is just going to have to be more ruthless when it comes to team politics.

Arrivabene was sacked for pretty much the same thing.

[Toothlessrage*]

Agreed, he has us on the right path now. He is just going to have to be more ruthless when it comes to team politics.

Arrivabene was sacked for pretty much the same thing.

Arrivabene, I feel, was just an enforcer and had the backing of Marchionne.
Arrivabene, in my opinion, wouldn't be able to lead the team without the guidance of Marchionne.

Binnoto, on the other hand, is the opposite of Marchionne. He's not much of a people person nor an enforcer.
He could probably keep it up for a while, but after a certain point, he'd crack under the pressure of leading a team like Ferrari.
As all of us know, Ferrari represents all of Italy's passion.
Basically, a whole country's expectations (including the shareholders and the fanbase) rests on Binnoto's shoulders.

Binnoto shouldn't shoulder the burden of all the expectations by himself. He definitely needs help.
Help, in the form of an enforcer.

[Gilles]

Like you, I trust Binotto, but only to manage the design of cars. You say that it lacks political weight with the fia, but you forget the most catastrophic in my opinion: the management of the drivers
You still remember that it caused the crisis of confidence in which Vetel got lost, was this profitable to Ferrari? That poor, willful boy drove the car like a zombie for a year and a half, was that benefic to Ferrari?
He had frustrated Leclerc to the benefice of Vetel during a race, why? Harmony?
This year he keeps playing to frustrate Leclerc, why? To disgust him? To put the car forward more than the driver?
Question: could he play like that with a confirmed champion? Certainly not. Any other team manager would have set up a team around Leclerc, not him. He frustrates him, he lies to him and treats him like a schoolboy
Believe me, if we sent Binottto back to the factory, I don’t see any team to be crazy enough to offer him a team manager position, and for good reason: he’s a job that’s not his
The main thing is to put the right people at the right place and i think that the the SM's death is the reason why we are in this situaton

Give the kid the team!

[Toothlessrage*]

Like you, I trust Binotto, but only to manage the design of cars. You say that it lacks political weight with the fia, but you forget the most catastrophic in my opinion: the management of the drivers
You still remember that it caused the crisis of confidence in which Vetel got lost, was this profitable to Ferrari? That poor, willful boy drove the car like a zombie for a year and a half, was that benefic to Ferrari?
He had frustrated Leclerc to the benefice of Vetel during a race, why? Harmony?
This year he keeps playing to frustrate Leclerc, why? To disgust him? To put the car forward more than the driver?
Question: could he play like that with a confirmed champion? Certainly not. Any other team manager would have set up a team around Leclerc, not him. He frustrates him, he lies to him and treats him like a schoolboy
Believe me, if we sent Binottto back to the factory, I don’t see any team to be crazy enough to offer him a team manager position, and for good reason: he’s a job that’s not his
The main thing is to put the right people at the right place and i think that the the SM's death is the reason why we are in this situaton

Give the kid the team!

I agree with what you have to say, Gilles.
Most of what you've said is facts, too.

But, I still say Binnoto needs to stay.
The reason I say so is that for stability in the team and that he's delivered on his promise of a competitive car: the F1 - 75

I agree with your points, he definitely can't do it on his own.
He just needs someone who can do the job of managing: personnel, team dynamics, and politics.

Vettel, on the other hand, was already on the way out. This was evident in 2019 (you could even say by the end of 2018).
Leclerc was chosen over him to lead Ferrari. Vettel was also against Leclerc joining Ferrari, evident in Arrivabene's campaign to retain Raikkonen.

You should attack the politics in Ferrari, Gilles.
Bone-headed politics and stubbornness have always been a historical problem at Ferrari.

[patrese86]

Softs seem to be holding on. Be interesting to see if we go soft or medium for the sprint.

[nani_s23]

Sky F1 saying …Mattia Binotto said they will be changing the floor at Belgian GP amidst of new TD.

[gump1480]

Sky F1 saying …Mattia Binotto said they will be changing the floor at Belgian GP amidst of new TD.

man... So we can't even fight Redfools in quali come Belgium ??

[nani_s23]

Agreeing to TD is a big blunder. I thought RB & Ferrari will oppose it strongly. Because this TD is brought in favour of Mercs.
Shows how Mercs lobbying is working.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I'm sick of Binotto as team principal. He's just the most gracious loser on the planet, always allowing people to trample upon him and Ferrari and never giving any hairdriers to the idiots calling the strategy. Last week he should've intervened during the first stint and went on Carlos' radio to inform him the state of affairs but he didn't. Back in 2019 he should've threatened Ferrari quitting F1 over the engine but took a plea deal 'for the good of the sport' instead of fighting the team's corner. I've never forgiven him for that alone, let alone the absolute state of the team operations this year. He's way out of his depth, it just is what it is.

[Greig]

Agreeing to TD is a big blunder. I thought RB & Ferrari will oppose it strongly. Because this TD is brought in favour of Mercs.
Shows how Mercs lobbying is working.

I don't think there is anything to agree or disagree on? Is the TD just not enforcing the rules already there?

[Greig]

I'm sick of Binotto as team principal. He's just the most gracious loser on the planet, always allowing people to trample upon him and Ferrari and never giving any hairdriers to the idiots calling the strategy. Last week he should've intervened during the first stint and went on Carlos' radio to inform him the state of affairs but he didn't. Back in 2019 he should've threatened Ferrari quitting F1 over the engine but took a plea deal 'for the good of the sport' instead of fighting the team's corner. I've never forgiven him for that alone, let alone the absolute state of the team operations this year. He's way out of his depth, it just is what it is.

How does leaving the sport benefit Ferrari?

[Tifoso Svedese]

How does leaving the sport benefit Ferrari?

Threatening to do it benefits Ferrari because it forces concessions from the others running scared of losing tons of revenue.

Either way, there's always a possibility of a European-based breakaway series that would wrestle away attention from F1 if Ferrari were part of it. No more ghost town desert venues but rather sold out classic venues in Europe which would put Liberty Media out of business real fast. A series that would undoubtedly have Monaco, Spa, Monza, Silverstone and Hockenheim on the schedule because Liberty Media constantly threaten or remove the European golden gooses. Ferrari never use the team's massive leverage about anything. That's the worst part. F1 shouldn't be degraded into some NASCAR/NFL franchise soulless entity with less than 1/3 of races where the teams and the audience is.

Now with the really dumb NFL-style budget cap at a bargain basement level it's a great opportunity for the top teams to pack their bags and pursue an alternative to the BS that F1 has been turned into under the American vulture capitalists. F1 is not about having economical affirmative action for teams no-one cares about to win via wrecking the top teams artificially. That's something the Americans can keep in their pro sports instead.

[Greig]

Threatening to do it benefits Ferrari because it forces concessions from the others running scared of losing tons of revenue.

Either way, there's always a possibility of a European-based breakaway series that would wrestle away attention from F1 if Ferrari were part of it. No more ghost town desert venues but rather sold out classic venues in Europe which would put Liberty Media out of business real fast. A series that would undoubtedly have Monaco, Spa, Monza, Silverstone and Hockenheim on the schedule because Liberty Media constantly threaten or remove the European golden gooses. Ferrari never use the team's massive leverage about anything. That's the worst part. F1 shouldn't be degraded into some NASCAR/NFL franchise soulless entity with less than 1/3 of races where the teams and the audience is.

So just threaten to do it but not actually do it? Ferrari were already part of a breakaway movement but left when it served its purpose and signed a new deal. Starting a new series would not be as easy as you think and still governed by the FIA....you think the teams don't want F1 in these new venues? off course they do.

[Tifoso Svedese]

So just threaten to do it but not actually do it? Ferrari were already part of a breakaway movement but left when it served its purpose and signed a new deal. Starting a new series would not be as easy as you think and still governed by the FIA....

Mosley explained that the FIA would just serve as administrators in the event the GPWC had happened. In other words, they would just be licensing the circuits but the teams wouldn't need to cater to them during the technical regulations et cetera.

I personally believe that the GPWC not happening is the greatest shame in motorsports history. We now have a situation where we don't have a Grand Prix in Germany (!) but have one in Azerbaijan (!!) instead. That's not something that persuades car manufacturers getting involved, mind. Middle men like Bernie and the Liberty Media trash are what's made the sport a lot worse, not better.

[Greig]

Mosley explained that the FIA would just serve as administrators in the event the GPWC had happened. In other words, they would just be licensing the circuits but the teams wouldn't need to cater to them during the technical regulations et cetera.

I personally believe that the GPWC not happening is the greatest shame in motorsports history. We now have a situation where we don't have a Grand Prix in Germany (!) but have one in Azerbaijan (!!) instead. That's not something that persuades car manufacturers getting involved, mind. Middle men like Bernie and the Liberty Media trash are what's made the sport a lot worse, not better.

FOTA was set up to cut costs and budgets lead by Ferrari and Red Bull just a smokescreen to get a better concorde deal...saying Bernie made the sport worse is hilarious though he turned it into a worldwide televised sport.

Also - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-f1/audi-and-porsche-set-join-formula-1-2026

[Gilles]

Toothlessrage, mate, i'am still angry today because Binotto did not support Vetel after his mistake in Germany (2018). He was still a fast driver and able to win the title, but he found himself isolated from the pain of having ruined his home race and the terrible verbal attacks of the competitors.
Vetel has never been the same, while he remained with Ferrari two more years
I don’t know where Binotto found an interest in doing this, but what is obvious is that he has terribly compromised the results of his driver and his team
And giving him a victory a year later at the expense of Charles to restore his confidence followed what logic?
I feel him like someone who breaks drivers when the right attitude would be to give them confidence

Give the kid the team!

[Tifoso Svedese]

FOTA was set up to cut costs and budgets lead by Ferrari and Red Bull just a smokescreen to get a better concorde deal...saying Bernie made the sport worse is hilarious though he turned it into a worldwide televised sport.

Also - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-f1/audi-and-porsche-set-join-formula-1-2026

In spite of Bernie. Not thanks to him. The top teams had more revenues to make ends meet in the 90s than today not to mention there were larger grids. With 1990s money the teams were able to afford larger budgets than the hyperinflated 2020s in spite of just 16 races to get the revenue in! Bernie and Liberty have just ruined it and turned F1 into a garbage spec series with endless safety cars racing in irrelevant places. Not to mention heavy tumbleweed cars that are way too long and wide for any natural style of racing.

Not sure why you always defend everything bad about the sport including the NASCAR-caution inflation. It's strange.

[nani_s23]

I don't think there is anything to agree or disagree on? Is the TD just not enforcing the rules already there?

Then why is Mercs pushing it hard?

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "We are still discussing much the TD & porpoising but as a matter of a fact, it doesn‘t seem to be an issue / subject anymore. It was not a subject in Silverstone, it has not been a subject in Austria for none of us. Pretty sure it isn‘t in the next two races. Again, are we overshoot with the subject and the FIA?, was there really a true need to try to act and to release TDs? As first they did it in Canada, not following the right progress.After that they reviewed it, start discussion at the TAC. There will be new discussions next week at the TAC, once again, try to fine tune it.On the floor, there will be some changes which will be required because now a new clarification has been issued, new tests, new requirements, new specifications. It will take some time to do it.So at least it‘s good to relax it to Belgium, because it not being a subject, there is no need to rush.

[JPZ]

If Ferrari were to demote Binnoto, it's obvious he'd resign. He (or anyone else) wouldn't be able to take that humiliation.
If Binnoto resigns, then he'd most probably leave with a grudge and look to reveal team secrets.

But, I say Binnoto has kept his word and delivered a strong machine: the F1 - 75
He bought in 2 strong pilots: Leclerc and Sainz
The only area, I say, he lacks is team dynamics and politics.

That's why I suggested he should have an enforcer to address any weaknesses and
to extract every ounce of performance available from the team.

Even though, I criticize Binnoto.
I still have faith in him.

Agreed.

[nani_s23]

RB chief engineer Paul Monaghan also confirmed there will be changes to the floor according to new TD.

[PURE PASSION]

According to Duchessa when asked why Binotto said that we will change the floor in Spa according to the new TD:

He said another thing. There is no concern, the fund needs to be further developed and will take into account the clarifications

[Greig]

In spite of Bernie. Not thanks to him. The top teams had more revenues to make ends meet in the 90s than today not to mention there were larger grids. With 1990s money the teams were able to afford larger budgets than the hyperinflated 2020s in spite of just 16 races to get the revenue in! Bernie and Liberty have just ruined it and turned F1 into a garbage spec series with endless safety cars racing in irrelevant places. Not to mention heavy tumbleweed cars that are way too long and wide for any natural style of racing.

Not sure why you always defend everything bad about the sport including the NASCAR-caution inflation. It's strange.

Strange would be moaning about the sport and everyrhing it does....racing has been very good this year but i guess your just never going to like it so you can moan about it.

[Greig]

Hopefully a good start for us here and Charles can jump Max.

[Greig]

Softs or Mediums then? Think will be softs and hope they hang on.

[stasera]

I think mediums will be perfect decision rather than softs

[Cavallino]

Softs or Mediums then? Think will be softs and hope they hang on.

i thinnk mediums, but the armchair strategists are pretty silent right now.

but if you put on softs and get a well timed safety car... but i just don't think the delta is there to make the softs work. i wouldn't be disappointed if we put Sainz on softs, and had him hold up Maxipad to help Charles through, and to split our strategies, other contenders are so far behind he should still get third.

[Greig]

Problem for Alonso!

[458 Italia]

Tyre blankets left on Alonso :rotfl

[Greig]

Aborted start, Zhou stopped

Edit got it going now.

[Greig]

Nando ain't starting, disaster for them.

[Greig]

Feisty Ferrari's.....

[458 Italia]

Sainz ahead of Charles.

[458 Italia]

Now they've changed back!

[Greig]

Carlos a bit keen but worth a try, now cmon Charles lets get him....

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferraris fighting and let Verstappen get away…when will these guys learn.

[458 Italia]

Max already running away. Russell right on Carlos' gearbox.

[gump1480]

Sainz should have gone on the inside of turn 3....bad decision there

[ferrari1.8t]

Watching the race restart, Verstappen pushes Charles right off the track. The guy has no race craft….

[gump1480]

Charles is slower ...significantly than Ves

[Greig]

FL Charles

[458 Italia]

Max has pretty much gone. Sainz pulling away from Russell now.

[Greig]

Carlos looking racey.....

[patrese86]

Max cruising to a win here. One point net loss for Charles

[WS6TransAm01]

What’s wrong with Charles?

[ferrari1.8t]

Carlos faster than Charles??? How?

[458 Italia]

I wonder if we can play leap frog with both cars to bring us closer to max.

[stasera]

there is no pit stop today. so our pit wall wont mess up in the strategy but i feel like our drivers will crash to each other

[Greig]

This is gonna end in tears....just stop already...

[458 Italia]

This is getting messy!

[elnano14]

Swap them

[Tifoso Svedese]

So we're slow as and risk having both cars smash into one another to end up last on the grid. Great.

[gump1480]

This is pathetic...Mattia has to call and let Sainz thru

[WS6TransAm01]

Charles having to defend from Carlos is letting Max drive off into the distance.

Lack of leadership.

[458 Italia]

This is hurting us!

[ferrari1.8t]

These guys will crash if they keep this up…

Binotto get on that radio and have some balls.

[Cavallino]

it should stop as soon as Sainz is out of DRS, 3 zones here is ridiculous

[patrese86]

Replace Binotto please. He can't manage two drivers. Just losing time to the guy out front. One again this is fine of you are a second a lap quicker than the next fastest guy but when we are slower it's not good.

[458 Italia]

Harsh penalty for Albon.

[tifosi1993]

Yup, 3 DRS zones is a huge advantage for the car behind.

[Cavallino]

i don't have the radio on like i usually do, but if Charles is saving his tyres you have to tell them to hold, drive to a delta

[Ferrari312T4]

Indeed this only favours Verstappen

[Greig]

Replace Binotto please. He can't manage two drivers. Just losing time to the guy out front. One again this is fine of you are a second a lap quicker than the next fastest guy but when we are slower it's not good.

Blame the drivers....

[458 Italia]

Haas playing the same game we are.

[tifosi1993]

Charles now leaving Sainz to dust. As soon as he's out of the DRS zones Sainz has no answers.

[458 Italia]

3 seconds this race is over.

[pesquisa_2004]

thank you

Charles fighting Sainz and Verstaoen laughing

[patrese86]

So all that squabbling has done is give Max 3 seconds on Charles and Sainz now 2 seconds behind with a flat spot

Well played guys, well played Mattia

[ferrari1.8t]

3 seconds this race is over.

Yup….we’ve built a good qualifying car but crappy race car. No race pace to match the bulls. Unbelievable.

[Greig]

Albon takes out Seb

[tifosi1993]

Charles and Max on similar lap times.

[stasera]

perez is fast as hell

[PURE PASSION]

Aaarrggg we don't have the pace of the Bull's!!!

[Ferrari312T4]

We still have the fastest lap though.

[ferrari1.8t]

We still have the fastest lap though.

Point for that in the sprint?

[458 Italia]

We still have the fastest lap though.

Don't think it counts in sprint.

[PURE PASSION]

Charles and Max on similar lap times.

Max simply managing the race/ tires

[patrese86]

Blame the drivers....

No because they are in the heat of the moment, they don't have the rationale or foresight to make decisions like that, it needs to come from the wall, from the leadership. You hear Red Bull and Mercedes being firm with there drivers and giving them direction.

[tifosi1993]

Charles slowly closing in on Max. Gap is now 2.4 seconds.

[Kyss4k]

Carlos is an ***** I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I seriously despise this guy. He did nothing for the whole year, destroyed race for Charles last race and now he feels like Charles should not fight him, when he has 3 DRS zones to aid him? Once he is out of DRS he is nowhere... The most annoying driver I've seen in Ferrari through my lifetime.

[Greig]

No because they are in the heat of the moment, they don't have the rationale or foresight to make decisions like that, it needs to come from the wall, from the leadership. You hear Red Bull and Mercedes being firm with there drivers and giving them direction.

Ok then, blame who you want for 2 drivers fighting when they had no need.