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tifosi1993
6th September 2022, 18:16
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jgonzalesm6
6th September 2022, 19:44
Yellow will be the color for the Scuderia in the pitlane to celebrate 75 years in F1 and the color of Modena.

Team gear is already out with the commemoration.

ferrari1.8t
6th September 2022, 20:40
Yellow will be the color for the Scuderia in the pitlane to celebrate 75 years in F1 and the color of Modena.

Team gear is already out with the commemoration.

If they really want to celebrate 75 years in F1, revert back to pre-Mercedes TD spec. Then give the finger to the FIA and Mercedes by finishing 1-2.

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 02:31
If they really want to celebrate 75 years in F1, revert back to pre-Mercedes TD spec. Then give the finger to the FIA and Mercedes by finishing 1-2.

boy would i LOVE to see that...but you seem to forget WHO our TP is.....he always agrees with what teh FIA say....of course, FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT.....absolutely PATHETIC

BIN OUT O.....no spine, no COHONES.....NADA

paolo lalli
7th September 2022, 07:01
Stupid Fia would not know any better revert back to original T.D and yes give those money sucking parasites the bird .The FIA is influenced so easily.Ferrari for safety reasons should revert back after all safety is the FIAs number 1 priority is it not.WHAT A JOKE THEY REALLY ARE.

jgonzalesm6
7th September 2022, 07:08
The tow is going to be important for qualifying at this track.

nani_s23
7th September 2022, 08:54
The tow is going to be important for qualifying at this track.

Ferrari is bringing pre-France floor & Baku RW to test in FP’s.
They are trying to find our answers for sudden loss of pace & heavy tyre deg.

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 11:57
It’s going to be sad to see Max win here and our boys get spanked all because the team is lead by the Goth kid from South Park.

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 13:52
It’s going to be sad to see Max win here and our boys get spanked all because the team is lead by the Goth kid from South Park.

LMAO.....but your statement is TOTALLY true

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 13:59
What is Ferrari teasing at 3:45CEST on their social media?

A new engine cover? Revolutionary!!!!!

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 14:03
LMAO.....but your statement is TOTALLY true

8083

LOL

ferrari1.8t
7th September 2022, 14:48
Its not all yellow, not bad. Let’s hope it wins….

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1567509340755529730?s=21

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1567508754265956353?s=21

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 15:00
Its not all yellow, not bad. Let’s hope it wins….

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1567509340755529730?s=21

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1567508754265956353?s=21

LOL

Other's bring aero and mechanical upgrades, Ferrari bring some yellow paint.

Spectacular failure of leadership.

ferrari1.8t
7th September 2022, 15:03
LOL

Other's bring aero and mechanical upgrades, Ferrari bring some yellow paint.

Spectacular failure of leadership.

Don’t forget we are bringing an old floor and old rear wing lol

Tifoso Svedese
7th September 2022, 15:20
Bringing an even uglier livery as an update yikes :lol

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 15:27
Its not all yellow, not bad. Let’s hope it wins….

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1567509340755529730?s=21

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1567508754265956353?s=21

sadly it prolly won't win t....but at least it will look good

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 15:29
LOL

Other's bring aero and mechanical upgrades, Ferrari bring some yellow paint.

Spectacular failure of leadership.

no, no....ferrari will bring a skinny rear wing for for monza track specific....but so will others, so yeah be lucky if we get on the podium this weekend.....i'd LOVE ferrari to prove me wrong

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 15:31
Don’t forget we are bringing an old floor and old rear wing lol

if the pre France floor works better than the current one.....we're back to crappy correlation issues, which would be SUPER bad especially after the millions ferrari invested in brand new windtunnel, cfd tools....etc

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 15:32
Bringing an even uglier livery as an update yikes :lol

i kind of like teh yellow accents, but stuff like that is NOT gonna make the car any faster......hard work and determination does, but that;s NOT to be seen in Ferrari's camp

wisepie
7th September 2022, 17:43
i kind of like teh yellow accents, but stuff like that is NOT gonna make the car any faster......hard work and determination does, but that;s NOT to be seen in Ferrari's camp

The only benefit of the yellow is making the driver's numbers more visible. It won't help us win.:roll

stefa
7th September 2022, 18:03
LOL

Other's bring aero and mechanical upgrades, Ferrari bring some yellow paint.

Spectacular failure of leadership.

:lol

Greig
7th September 2022, 18:34
LOL

Other's bring aero and mechanical upgrades, Ferrari bring some yellow paint.

Spectacular failure of leadership.

You really are stupid if you think this is decided by Binotto and was not planned before the season started. But anything for you to have a tantrum over I suppose.

Even more stupid is thinking it was done instead of car developement.

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 18:44
You really are stupid if you think this is decided by Binotto and was not planned before the season started. But anything for you to have a tantrum over I suppose.

Even more stupid is thinking it was done instead of car developement.

So with that the precedent of calling each other "stupid" out in the open now; you really are stupid to take everything so seriously. It's the internet, calm down.

It's even more stupid to think that that was not done instead of car development when there is a profound lack of car development but we have a new livery. Seems like it's exactly what is happening, new livery: yes. Car development: no.

Who was this decided by then? Isn't he the Team Principle?

Notice how everyone else who quoted me was having fun with the jestful comment and you're the only one who is getting his panties in a wad over it?

Redfive
7th September 2022, 18:45
Both titles are gone now but Ferrari needs to regain some dignity, a win here would help, a 1-2 would be perfect.

Greig
7th September 2022, 18:57
So with that the precedent of calling each other "stupid" out in the open now; you really are stupid to take everything so seriously. It's the internet, calm down.

It's even more stupid to think that that was not done instead of car development when there is a profound lack of car development but we have a new livery. Seems like it's exactly what is happening, new livery: yes. Car development: no.

Who was this decided by then? Isn't he the Team Principle?

Notice how everyone else who quoted me was having fun with the jestful comment and you're the only one who is getting his panties in a wad over it?

Jestful comments that you just defend as if true, even more stupid than I first thought.

Probably the marketing dept decide such things, but you should know this.

WS6TransAm01
7th September 2022, 19:31
Jestful comments that you just defend as if true, even more stupid than I first thought.

Probably the marketing dept decide such things, but you should know this.

Just because something is said in jest, doesn't mean it can't also be true. I'm seeing more marketing garbage than car development. Wile RBR and Merc keep bringing new parts to make their cars faster and more reliable, Ferrari decide that their big reveal is a bit of yellow paint on the engine cover. Any true fan would be embarrassed beyond words. You, however, as a simple shill will just continue to defend these constant blunders. So really, who is more stupid than originally thought? Look in the mirror bud. It's okay to call out the team for their failures, it's okay to demand they are better, it's okay to not accept failure. In fact, the former are mandatory if you are a true fan because your base desire is to see Ferrari on the stop step of the podium at every single race. Excusing failure is not being a fan.

XoXo

FerrariF60
7th September 2022, 20:22
Both titles are gone now but Ferrari needs to regain some dignity, a win here would help, a 1-2 would be perfect.

dream ON fellow tiffoso....at the rate of screwup's ferrari is showing lately, be lucky if we get into points....SAD BUT SO TRUE!!!

ferrari1.8t
7th September 2022, 22:23
dream ON fellow tiffoso....at the rate of screwup's ferrari is showing lately, be lucky if we get into points....SAD BUT SO TRUE!!!

Beyond the consistent mistakes, the car is just not fast enough. The TD effected us more than any other team. RedBull was smart and acted like they were against both it and Mercedes; while all along knowing it wouldn’t effect them. Binotto must have known the effect it would have on our performance and should have fought harder to stop the TD. Thats where he failed as a leader for me.

As I said early on in the year when we had the fastest car, loosing all these points due to mistakes and reliability will hurt is later when Merc finally catches up. Well here we are looking like fools fighting for 2nd place with Merc rather than 1st with RedBull.

stasera
7th September 2022, 23:17
even podium is difficult here for us

paolo lalli
8th September 2022, 06:14
Thats the spirit fellow ferrari fans keep putting the boot into the team when you know they have been knocked out how very brave you all are, there is always light at the end of the tunnel so for me optimism works.

Greig
8th September 2022, 06:48
Ferrari bringing pre-TD floor, but let's say the TD hurt us and blame it on Binotto anyway, such is this forum :-D

aroutis
8th September 2022, 07:21
if the pre France floor works better than the current one.....we're back to crappy correlation issues, which would be SUPER bad especially after the millions ferrari invested in brand new windtunnel, cfd tools....etc

The real issue is not this, shockingly.
It's how much time it took us to actually revert to the older floor. How long ago was France and why did we stick with a floor which worked worse than the previous one?
Oh.. wait, "everything is fine with the team" mentality.

stefa
8th September 2022, 08:47
It's not that we didn't know

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1567500087307141125?s=20&t=Dprcu_1ZYe-xNQIFfNXCTQ

tifosi1993
8th September 2022, 08:52
if the pre France floor works better than the current one.....we're back to crappy correlation issues, which would be SUPER bad especially after the millions ferrari invested in brand new windtunnel, cfd tools....etc

It reeks nothing but desperation to me. Charles was the fastest driver in both France and Hungary, but his own mistake in the former and strategic blunder in the latter resultant in no victories.

We all knew that the TD would impact car performance, some would get affected by it more than others. And it's quite clear now that Ferrari is the only team that got affected by it. So they can go back to pre-Spain floor, but that's not going to change anything.

I was expecting to see some substantial upgrades from Ferrari in SPA but there were none. Which is the story of this season. Red Bull and Mercedes have upgraded their cars substantially while Binotto was and is still busy complaining about the budget cap.

Greig
8th September 2022, 09:04
The real issue is not this, shockingly.
It's how much time it took us to actually revert to the older floor. How long ago was France and why did we stick with a floor which worked worse than the previous one?
Oh.. wait, "everything is fine with the team" mentality.

So you already know the new floor is worse? Can you let the team know your analysis save them some time testing it. :rotfl

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 09:09
Are these subdued performances driving you to change development? -

Binotto: there is little left on the development of the F1-75, as I think for everyone. In Maranello we are mainly working on 2023. Next year's car is born well at the moment>

if there is something we should find out about what is happening now that leads us to subdued performance, we will have time to correct it. Now it is important to react and compete well again because it would mean having somehow addressed this problem of performance in the race.

@Formu1a_Uno


:rotfl

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 09:13
#AMus reports that the reason for Antonio Giovinazzi‘s free practice sessions with Haas is because Ferrari wants him to refresh his driving impressions for the simulator work, not because of them pushing him for the seat.

Greig
8th September 2022, 10:00
Are these subdued performances driving you to change development? -

Binotto: there is little left on the development of the F1-75, as I think for everyone. In Maranello we are mainly working on 2023. Next year's car is born well at the moment>

if there is something we should find out about what is happening now that leads us to subdued performance, we will have time to correct it. Now it is important to react and compete well again because it would mean having somehow addressed this problem of performance in the race.

@Formu1a_Uno


:rotfl

Whats the problem with this?

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 10:17
Whats the problem with this?

I don’t know why you don’t find a problem in the above statement.

He says F1-75 is limited to development now & his focus is on 2023.

When was our last update to F1-75? First 4-5 races no updates & we are just working on set up.
Next Barcelona, where there was major upgrade & next France. That’s it.

Greig
8th September 2022, 10:20
I don’t know why you don’t find a problem in the above statement.

He says F1-75 is limited to development now & his focus is on 2023.

When was our last update to F1-75? First 4-5 races no updates & we are just working on set up.
Next Barcelona, where there was major upgrade & next France. That’s it.

You want us to keep developing this car? Why?

aroutis
8th September 2022, 10:20
So you already know the new floor is worse? Can you let the team know your analysis save them some time testing it. :rotfl

I am pretty sure that even you, can see the results of the new floor compared to the old one.
Even you, can understand why they brought the old one.

Don't try this type of answers with me, it' ll not work, you know better :D

Greig
8th September 2022, 10:24
I am pretty sure that even you, can see the results of the new floor compared to the old one.
Even you, can understand why they brought the old one.

Don't try this type of answers with me, it' ll not work, you know better :D



Another expert wasted on a forum....:rotfl

Riccardog
8th September 2022, 10:50
Another expert wasted on a forum....:rotfl

@greig, you really are just out to be a troll aren't you, no other way to describe your tirade against any and all on the forum that do not have YOUR expert opinion?:-E

aroutis
8th September 2022, 10:56
Another expert wasted on a forum....:rotfl

You're no expert. Be modest.

aroutis
8th September 2022, 10:57
@greig, you really are just out to be a troll aren't you, no other way to describe your tirade against any and all on the forum that do not have YOUR expert opinion?:-E

He's probably bored.

Greig
8th September 2022, 11:00
@greig, you really are just out to be a troll aren't you, no other way to describe your tirade against any and all on the forum that do not have YOUR expert opinion?:-E



I never put any opinion so thats you wrong.

aroutis
8th September 2022, 12:01
I never put any opinion so thats you wrong.


Another expert wasted on a forum....
Actually that can be perceived as your opinion on me ;)
If not, you're just trolling.

Which is it?

Greig
8th September 2022, 12:20
Actually that can be perceived as your opinion on me ;)
If not, you're just trolling.

Which is it?

Well your clearly no expert.

ferrari1.8t
8th September 2022, 13:08
“He won in Spa, he wins in Monza…” still get goosebumps, what a great memory.

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1567777779927728128?s=21

FerrariF60
8th September 2022, 14:13
“He won in Spa, he wins in Monza…” still get goosebumps, what a great memory.

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1567777779927728128?s=21

what an amazing day that was for Ferrari, Charles and all the italian tiffosi....i still get GOOSBUMPS watching clips of that day
sadly, we'll prolly gonna look like clowns again this weekend in terms of strategy, pit stops and worse of all CAR PERFORMACE....

i am sure there will be NOTHING for the Tiffosi to celebrate this weekend.....sad so sad, after starting the year so well

ONWARD AND UPWARD.....ROLL ON 2023

aroutis
8th September 2022, 14:59
Well your clearly no expert.

Then you're clearly a troll ;)
You're welcome:)

FerrariF60
8th September 2022, 15:01
Then you're clearly a troll ;)
You're welcome:)

:lol

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 18:40
You want us to keep developing this car? Why?

Yeah because atleast we can get that WCC? & 2nd & 3rd In WDC? Atleast a consolation would throw some light for next year ?

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 18:40
Ferrari has confirmed that it will not only have the Ala Monza spec but a more extensive ad hoc package Tests are scheduled for tomorrow on what doesn't work at Spa

@Formu1a_uno

nani_s23
8th September 2022, 18:43
From Binotto we know that: - Sainz will change PU (all) with penalty - In FP’s the fund introduced in France will be compared with a version that will include older elements (to collect further data that will be useful in understanding / development).

@Formu1a_uno

FerrariF60
8th September 2022, 18:52
Ferrari has confirmed that it will not only have the Ala Monza spec but a more extensive ad hoc package Tests are scheduled for tomorrow on what doesn't work at Spa

@Formu1a_uno

looked up on weather network for the weekend; it seems that saturday and sunday 26-28 degrees and sunny, so it may actually help us with pace as we all know that teh car don;t like cold temps at all

and friday supposed to be a bit of rain 90% so dont' know how the testing between various parts are gonna elaborate

but frankly, with the form of the whole team and car performance as of late i'm not gonna get my hopes up too much for this weekend

458 Italia
8th September 2022, 21:23
Hopefully all the British based teams decide not to race this weekend as a mark of respect :-D

patrese86
8th September 2022, 21:54
The queen was an avid Ferrari fan and considered herself part of the tifosi..alas the last few weeks of more incompetence on the pitwall took a toll on her health as it has all of us.

RIP

ferrari1.8t
8th September 2022, 21:57
Hopefully all the British based teams decide not to race this weekend as a mark of respect :-D

I’m sure hamilton will make it about him, say he’s racing for the queen. Then if he by someone chance wins, say she blessed him with divine intervention lmao #grateful

Joking aside, Rest In Peace Queen Elizabeth II.

Silent Bob
8th September 2022, 22:11
Yeah because atleast we can get that WCC? & 2nd & 3rd In WDC? Atleast a consolation would throw some light for next year ?


No further developments doesn't necessarily mean they don't have upgrades that were already planned. We may still see new parts on the car at some races. Or older spec if they work better.

paolo lalli
8th September 2022, 22:27
Credit must go to redbull who can develope a f1 car that is so track specific at any circuit.It is dissapointing that ferrari at the temple of speed and there home race already admit that they will be on the back foot in Monza.So much for home ground advantage.

Cavallino
8th September 2022, 22:30
It reeks nothing but desperation to me. Charles was the fastest driver in both France and Hungary, but his own mistake in the former and strategic blunder in the latter resultant in no victories.

We all knew that the TD would impact car performance, some would get affected by it more than others. And it's quite clear now that Ferrari is the only team that got affected by it. So they can go back to pre-Spain floor, but that's not going to change anything.

I was expecting to see some substantial upgrades from Ferrari in SPA but there were none. Which is the story of this season. Red Bull and Mercedes have upgraded their cars substantially while Binotto was and is still busy complaining about the budget cap.

in RACE pace you really think Charles was fastest in Hungary? even in qualifying pace he wasn't.

paolo lalli
9th September 2022, 04:45
Budget cap is only for ferrari, redbull and mercedes are exempt because the FIA said so, no wonder binotto is crying like a baby.

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 05:39
in RACE pace you really think Charles was fastest in Hungary? even in qualifying pace he wasn't.

He was fastest on Medium tyres. Until the mind blowing strategy came out of box from Ferrari pit wall.

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 11:26
Update #ItalianGP

- MER Front/Rear Wing
- RBR Rear W
- FER Beam W
- McL Front/rear W
- Alpine Beam W
- AM Front/Rear W
- WiL Beam W

@formu1a__uno

WS6TransAm01
9th September 2022, 13:03
Budget cap is only for ferrari, redbull and mercedes are exempt because the FIA said so, no wonder binotto is crying like a baby.

I think you have that slightly backwards. RBR and Merc gave the finger to the FIA and their budget cap because large companies like them can easily hide costs with creative accounting. Binotto is crying because he is an emo little ______ who isn't man enough to do what needs to be done to win unlike Horner and Wolfe.

Silent Bob
9th September 2022, 13:33
And yet, Binotto is always blamed for the 2019 engine debacle.
You want him to flip off the FIA and not stick to the rules, but then blame him for not sticking to the rules.

elnano14
9th September 2022, 13:55
Looking decent so far but Max could have been 0.3-0.5s faster on his latest fastest lap. Our biggest gap is in sector 1 - more than 2 tenths down there

WS6TransAm01
9th September 2022, 13:56
And yet, Binotto is always blamed for the 2019 engine debacle.
You want him to flip off the FIA and not stick to the rules, but then blame him for not sticking to the rules.

I only blame him for the capitulation to the FIA. The FIA was unable to prove anything was illegal, otherwise they would have DQ'd Ferrari, but they didn't, so they had nothing. There was no reason to acquiesce to any of their demands.

Greig
9th September 2022, 14:01
Ferrari 1-2 in FP1.

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 14:22
And yet, Binotto is always blamed for the 2019 engine debacle.
You want him to flip off the FIA and not stick to the rules, but then blame him for not sticking to the rules.

Binotto is blamed for leadership skills.

RB & Mercs negotiated a lot on this new Reg change + in mid season as well. Did binotto do anything that is favourable for Ferrari?

FerrariF60
9th September 2022, 14:24
Ferrari 1-2 in FP1.

so the PRE france floor works than???? better then the new floor we've had for the last couple of races???
or Merc and red fools NOT pushing??

we'll see what FP2 will bring us....

458 Italia
9th September 2022, 14:28
How morbid are Sky being?

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 14:51
Leclerc is using the most downloaded configuration in the year. RW + Beam Wing with single profile

@Formu1a_uno

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 14:52
Max Verstappen expected to take 5 place grid penalty in Monza.

@AMus

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 14:53
Carlos Sainz was testing two different floors today: the pre France GP floor and the France GP floor.

Ferrari wanted to have direct comparisons.

ferrari1.8t
9th September 2022, 15:08
How morbid are Sky being?

Not watching, what are they saying?

ferrari1.8t
9th September 2022, 15:10
Ferrari 1-2 in FP1.

Don’t get too excited, Max was on the hards. He didn’t get a clean run on the softs.

From f1.com; “The Red Bull driver was however a second quicker than the rest of the field on the hard tyre.”

Greig
9th September 2022, 15:43
Don’t get too excited, Max was on the hards. He didn’t get a clean run on the softs.

From f1.com; “The Red Bull driver was however a second quicker than the rest of the field on the hard tyre.”

Wasn't excited, but I can rely on you to bring the negativity.

458 Italia
9th September 2022, 15:53
Not watching, what are they saying?

Not watched either yet.

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 15:58
So expected grid penalties are:

Max Verstappen
Sergio Perez
Carlos Sainz
Lewis Hamilton
Valtteri Bottas
Mick Schumacher
Kevin Magnussen
Yuki Tsunoda (confirmed)

@AMus

458 Italia
9th September 2022, 16:01
The number of grid penalties is ridiculous.

elnano14
9th September 2022, 16:31
Lol Mick is cursed

WS6TransAm01
9th September 2022, 16:33
The number of grid penalties is ridiculous.

because the rule is ridiculous....

WS6TransAm01
9th September 2022, 16:34
Not watching, what are they saying?

They sound like they are about to cry at any minute. All sad and mopey.

458 Italia
9th September 2022, 16:53
Ferrari have been represented on the podium in 600 times that's over 50% of races. Incredible stat.

Also could be the first team to reach 10,000 constructors points this weekend.

elnano14
9th September 2022, 16:55
Idk if this pace is good because of the old floor or we simply turn up the engine (cause it's Monza after all). Race pace is decent too

Liscia
9th September 2022, 16:59
because the rule is ridiculous....

FIAsco "rules" are the unfunniest joke in motorsport - flattening the "pinnacle" with befuddling bureaucracy!

Tifoso
9th September 2022, 17:01
Ferrari have been represented on the podium in 600 times that's over 50% of races. Incredible stat.

Also could be the first team to reach 10,000 constructors points this weekend.

Wow!

Tifoso
9th September 2022, 17:02
Ferrari 1-2 in FP1.

Excdllent! :ferrarifl

Greig
9th September 2022, 17:05
Pace looks good so far, but I am sure some will find an excuse for it soon :-D

gump1480
9th September 2022, 17:50
Any comparison of race pace?

nani_s23
9th September 2022, 19:36
Pace looks good so far, but I am sure some will find an excuse for it soon :-D

Impressive step of Verstappen today on the Media which with + DWF can protect the tires very well. We will see how much the grip will increase Ferrari used a higher power mode than usual to better check the setup The car continues to slip a little but less.
in general here there is much less of a problem with the TD for some factors (DWF / stiffness ratio), while Max continues to travel high. MER and MCL right behind with similar top speeds. The Ferrari race pace to work on was not negative.

@Formu1a_uno

Tifoso Svedese
9th September 2022, 23:01
Sure, winning at Monza is never a bad thing but this year it would just be a band-aid over a gaping wound and probably an excuse to keep hold of the dimwits in charge. It's better to take L's at the moment to finally convince Elkann to get rid of the clowns. Not to mention that the likelihood of avoiding getting DRS-Firstappen'd is minimal. If anything, I venture the team ran high engine modes today just to impress the crowd.

That being said, if anyone could actually do the impossible and win at Monza with the current car it would be Leclerc. It would be a nice story but I fear for the detriment of the team's long-term prospects. Aside from that, good luck to the drivers. Let's hope they get four tyres at the pit stop!

Brembo
10th September 2022, 04:35
F Practice 2 : 1 Sainz, 2 Max, 3rd Charles. Ferrari has TWO #1 drivers!!!

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 07:11
Has Ferrari been penalized by the new anti-porpoising rules, which favor Mercedes?

John Elkann: "I don't think a team wins or loses because of the referees or the rules. I think that in sport the strongest person on the field or track wins and the stronger the opponents, the greater the satisfaction of doing well and winning."

Sainz is not exactly what we traditionally considered a "Number 2" driver. Are Leclerc and Sainz potentially two captains?

John Elkann: "I believe they are two great drivers and this encourages them to improve more and more."
I am confident that we will win not only the Constructors World Championship, but also the Drivers' Championship and that Charles Leclerc is in pole position [for that]."

Do you always have faith in the group that leads the Scuderia?

John Elkann: "Trust and gratitude for the work done by Mattia Binotto and our engineers. But there is no doubt that the work in Maranello, in the pits, on the pit wall and at the wheel needs to mature."
We must continue to grow and this applies to the mechanics, for the engineers, for the drivers, & obviously for all the management, including the team principal. We have seen it on reliability, on driving, on strategy. There are still too many mistakes.

What do you particularly like about Charles Leclerc & Carlos Sainz?

John Elkann: "I would like to congratulate both of them. They are drivers who participate in the growth of the car and know how to work as a team."
In terms of driving style, they have great potential & an aggressiveness that characterizes them. Sometimes they push even beyond the limit but have made great improvements. I like their courage, which is a decisive ingredient for success in life as well as in sport.

When do you think Ferrari will return to win [title]?

John Elkann: "We have aimed to be competitive first and foremost. If you are not competitive you have no margins, while you can work on reliability."
That is why I am confident that between now and 2026, Ferrari will return to winning a Constructors' World Championship and a Drivers' World Championship. We'll be able to do it before 20 years of wait, given that our last Drivers championship dates back to 2007 and the Constructors' Championship to 2008. We are lucky enough to have two great drivers at the wheel, probably the strongest pair in F1.

So you are satisfied with the work done by Mattia Binotto?

John Elkann: "Satisfied no, because I think you can always do better. But I do think that putting faith in Binotto & his team was the right choice & it has paid off. Thanks to them we are competitive & successful again."

Do you think Ferrari can really go back to winning the World Championship?

John Elkann: "Our car is competitive again. We must have the humility and the awareness of knowing where we are now and the courage and determination to improve." As our founder said just before leaving us [Whoever comes after me has accepted a a very simple inheritance: keeping the will to progress alive.] After the first GP, it seemed legitimate to dream, but we must remain humble & let the results speak for itselves.




:roll:roll:roll:Hmm:Hmm

stefa
10th September 2022, 08:04
Does anyone have data about max speed from yesterday?

JPZ
10th September 2022, 09:04
Has Ferrari been penalized by the new anti-porpoising rules, which favor Mercedes?

John Elkann: "I don't think a team wins or loses because of the referees or the rules. I think that in sport the strongest person on the field or track wins and the stronger the opponents, the greater the satisfaction of doing well and winning."

Sainz is not exactly what we traditionally considered a "Number 2" driver. Are Leclerc and Sainz potentially two captains?

John Elkann: "I believe they are two great drivers and this encourages them to improve more and more."
I am confident that we will win not only the Constructors World Championship, but also the Drivers' Championship and that Charles Leclerc is in pole position [for that]."

Do you always have faith in the group that leads the Scuderia?

John Elkann: "Trust and gratitude for the work done by Mattia Binotto and our engineers. But there is no doubt that the work in Maranello, in the pits, on the pit wall and at the wheel needs to mature."
We must continue to grow and this applies to the mechanics, for the engineers, for the drivers, & obviously for all the management, including the team principal. We have seen it on reliability, on driving, on strategy. There are still too many mistakes.

What do you particularly like about Charles Leclerc & Carlos Sainz?

John Elkann: "I would like to congratulate both of them. They are drivers who participate in the growth of the car and know how to work as a team."
In terms of driving style, they have great potential & an aggressiveness that characterizes them. Sometimes they push even beyond the limit but have made great improvements. I like their courage, which is a decisive ingredient for success in life as well as in sport.

When do you think Ferrari will return to win [title]?

John Elkann: "We have aimed to be competitive first and foremost. If you are not competitive you have no margins, while you can work on reliability."
That is why I am confident that between now and 2026, Ferrari will return to winning a Constructors' World Championship and a Drivers' World Championship. We'll be able to do it before 20 years of wait, given that our last Drivers championship dates back to 2007 and the Constructors' Championship to 2008. We are lucky enough to have two great drivers at the wheel, probably the strongest pair in F1.

So you are satisfied with the work done by Mattia Binotto?

John Elkann: "Satisfied no, because I think you can always do better. But I do think that putting faith in Binotto & his team was the right choice & it has paid off. Thanks to them we are competitive & successful again."

Do you think Ferrari can really go back to winning the World Championship?

John Elkann: "Our car is competitive again. We must have the humility and the awareness of knowing where we are now and the courage and determination to improve." As our founder said just before leaving us [Whoever comes after me has accepted a a very simple inheritance: keeping the will to progress alive.] After the first GP, it seemed legitimate to dream, but we must remain humble & let the results speak for itselves.




:roll:roll:roll:Hmm:Hmm

So Elkann is saying they do view Leclerc as the Number 1 driver.

Alonsomaniac
10th September 2022, 10:17
So Elkann is saying they do view Leclerc as the Number 1 driver.

That was clear to me all the time. They have all the data and know who is the fastest driver. We can draw the same conclusion by looking at the qualifying sessions.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 10:58
Ferrari said that the floor compare was for valuations especially for future upgrades and 675 (no track testing). Particularly working on isolation aero parts and control car aero mapping.
TD39 certainly is a compromise point for all but it doesn't have to be a concern
#Formu1a_uno

Golfsmith
10th September 2022, 11:22
Max speed FP1
1 GAS 342
2 PER 341
3 ALB 341
4 LEC 341
5 VER 340
6 TSU 339
7 OCO 337
8 STR 336
9 SAI 335
10 ZHOU 335
11 ALO 335
12 RIC 335
13 BOT 335
14 LAT 335
15 HAM 333
16 VRI 332
17 NOR 330
18 GIO 330
19 RUS 330
20 MAG 325

FP2 max speed

1 LEC 349
2 VER 347
3 GAS 343
4 LAT 343
5 ALB 343
6 NOR 341
7 TSU 341
8 SAI 340
9 RIC 340
10 PER 340
11 ZHO 339
12 HAM 338
13 BOT 337
14 STR 337
15 ALO 336
16 MAG 336
17 OCO 336
18 RUS 336
19 VET 335
20 SCH 334

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 12:08
Sky can pee off telling us "how we're all feeling".

Toothlessrage*
10th September 2022, 12:18
Sky can pee off telling us "how we're all feeling".

You can add Marko and Palmer to that list.

I can't stand those two.

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 12:18
Are track limits not a thing this weekend? most cars including the Ferraris are going outside the white lines.

stefa
10th September 2022, 12:20
Red Bull is so much faster :-(

Silent Bob
10th September 2022, 12:22
Has Ferrari been penalized by the new anti-porpoising rules, which favor Mercedes?

John Elkann: "I don't think a team wins or loses because of the referees or the rules. I think that in sport the strongest person on the field or track wins and the stronger the opponents, the greater the satisfaction of doing well and winning."

Sainz is not exactly what we traditionally considered a "Number 2" driver. Are Leclerc and Sainz potentially two captains?

John Elkann: "I believe they are two great drivers and this encourages them to improve more and more."
I am confident that we will win not only the Constructors World Championship, but also the Drivers' Championship and that Charles Leclerc is in pole position [for that]."

Do you always have faith in the group that leads the Scuderia?

John Elkann: "Trust and gratitude for the work done by Mattia Binotto and our engineers. But there is no doubt that the work in Maranello, in the pits, on the pit wall and at the wheel needs to mature."
We must continue to grow and this applies to the mechanics, for the engineers, for the drivers, & obviously for all the management, including the team principal. We have seen it on reliability, on driving, on strategy. There are still too many mistakes.

What do you particularly like about Charles Leclerc & Carlos Sainz?

John Elkann: "I would like to congratulate both of them. They are drivers who participate in the growth of the car and know how to work as a team."
In terms of driving style, they have great potential & an aggressiveness that characterizes them. Sometimes they push even beyond the limit but have made great improvements. I like their courage, which is a decisive ingredient for success in life as well as in sport.

When do you think Ferrari will return to win [title]?

John Elkann: "We have aimed to be competitive first and foremost. If you are not competitive you have no margins, while you can work on reliability."
That is why I am confident that between now and 2026, Ferrari will return to winning a Constructors' World Championship and a Drivers' World Championship. We'll be able to do it before 20 years of wait, given that our last Drivers championship dates back to 2007 and the Constructors' Championship to 2008. We are lucky enough to have two great drivers at the wheel, probably the strongest pair in F1.

So you are satisfied with the work done by Mattia Binotto?

John Elkann: "Satisfied no, because I think you can always do better. But I do think that putting faith in Binotto & his team was the right choice & it has paid off. Thanks to them we are competitive & successful again."

Do you think Ferrari can really go back to winning the World Championship?

John Elkann: "Our car is competitive again. We must have the humility and the awareness of knowing where we are now and the courage and determination to improve." As our founder said just before leaving us [Whoever comes after me has accepted a a very simple inheritance: keeping the will to progress alive.] After the first GP, it seemed legitimate to dream, but we must remain humble & let the results speak for itselves.




:roll:roll:roll:Hmm:Hmm


Fire him. Hes too soft.

Riccardog
10th September 2022, 12:26
Sky can pee off telling us "how we're all feeling".

sky must F off yesterday they were screaming at carlos for being, supposedly, in the way of a fast run by russ, and today when russ messed up verstappens run they were giggling and commenting that it is a practice session... ***?
When is F1 going to address this rubbish

Toothlessrage*
10th September 2022, 12:32
Red Bull is so much faster :-(

The gap isn't that bad now, right?

Are you referring to the Quali or Race pace, Stefa?

Super M
10th September 2022, 12:37
Red Bull is so much faster :-(


Just got the times right now :

Vers : 1:21,872
Lec : 1:21,944 + 0.072

Times were set on the Medium tyres. so not bad if this stay like this

JPZ
10th September 2022, 12:39
That was clear to me all the time. They have all the data and know who is the fastest driver. We can draw the same conclusion by looking at the qualifying sessions.

It was my view and most of us here as well, but this confirms that Leclerc is the number one driver.

elnano14
10th September 2022, 12:44
I want that Ferrari text staying on rear wing forever. It's looking so sexy

stefa
10th September 2022, 12:48
The gap isn't that bad now, right?

Are you referring to the Quali or Race pace, Stefa?

Yes. Interesting

elnano14
10th September 2022, 12:52
4 tenths is hard to swallow

Aziz
10th September 2022, 12:53
4 tenths is hard to swallow

Yeah they are much faster

stefa
10th September 2022, 12:53
And now RB again faster by a 0.4

elnano14
10th September 2022, 12:55
Leclerc with a tow still a few kph down on the straight comparing to Max without a tow

patrese86
10th September 2022, 12:56
We should start at the front of the grid because of Max's penalty but don't see how we stay ahead in the race. He would need a collision into turn 1 for us to win with Charles.

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 12:58
sky must F off yesterday they were screaming at carlos for being, supposedly, in the way of a fast run by russ, and today when russ messed up verstappens run they were giggling and commenting that it is a practice session... ***?
When is F1 going to address this rubbish

They change their mind about everything depending on whether their favourites are effected by something.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 12:59
And now RB again faster by a 0.4

Truth is ferrari lost little bit with TD39 Reg.

High speed corners loosing .3ths.

Aziz
10th September 2022, 13:00
We should start at the front of the grid because of Max's penalty but don't see how we stay ahead in the race. He would need a collision into turn 1 for us to win with Charles.

Yeah, it will be impossible to stay in front of the bulls

Super M
10th September 2022, 13:01
And now RB again faster by a 0.4


Charles With used soft tyres, ya

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 13:10
Max for pole position & race win. Unless any miracle.

elnano14
10th September 2022, 13:13
Max for pole position & race win. Unless any miracle.

Max can't get pole. He has a five-place grid penalty. But yeah, I expect him to be P1 after 5 laps

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 13:20
Max can't get pole. He has a five-place grid penalty. But yeah, I expect him to be P1 after 5 laps

I’m aware, I was talking about P1 without penalty.

paolo lalli
10th September 2022, 13:22
Easy max victory coming up, baring any issues or race hiccups all the indications point to a comfortable victory hats of to max and redbull.Ferrari must not surrender 2nd in either championships that the goal.

stefa
10th September 2022, 13:34
Easy max victory coming up, baring any issues or race hiccups all the indications point to a comfortable victory hats of to max and redbull.Ferrari must not surrender 2nd in either championships that the goal.

Agree!

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 13:53
In the Mercedes era it was all about power. Now we've come full circle to the 2010-2013 era, where Newey's aero is going to be the gold standard to beat again.

That's what's going to make Red Bull so hard to beat. They've got a car that's so diverse and efficient, their operations team can take risks with strategy, and if they make a mistake the car is so good and Max is so at one with it, that they can recover during the race.

Nobody is going to beat Red Bull counting beans for their "budget". You think Red Bull were bringing parts to every race in their title fight last year, and managed to have enough development budget and windtunnel time for this years car? Don't be naïve. They ignore the budget, share data from Alpha, and cook the books later. Newey never sleeps.

Grinsomx
10th September 2022, 13:53
at this point I am just hoping we at least get the strategy right.

patrese86
10th September 2022, 14:00
Just like we saw Mercedes with dirty tricks on Hamilton's car last season now we see it with the Red Bull of Max.

It's not all down to Ferrari, the rest of the grid also do not care.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 14:38
penalties heading into qualifying:

Verstappen (5 places)
Ocon (5 places)
Perez (10 places)
Bottas (15 places)
Magnussen (15 places)
Schumacher (15 places)
Sainz (Back of grid)
Hamilton (Back of grid)
Tsunoda (Back of grid)

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 14:39
In the Mercedes era it was all about power. Now we've come full circle to the 2010-2013 era, where Newey's aero is going to be the gold standard to beat again.

That's what's going to make Red Bull so hard to beat. They've got a car that's so diverse and efficient, their operations team can take risks with strategy, and if they make a mistake the car is so good and Max is so at one with it, that they can recover during the race.

Nobody is going to beat Red Bull counting beans for their "budget". You think Red Bull were bringing parts to every race in their title fight last year, and managed to have enough development budget and windtunnel time for this years car? Don't be naïve. They ignore the budget, share data from Alpha, and cook the books later. Newey never sleeps.

This is where leadership skills come into play.

RB played their cards very well & where as ferrari agreed everything to the best of sport.

stefa
10th September 2022, 15:01
Here we go

patrese86
10th September 2022, 15:16
If your half a second slower than your team mate round here and there's no other factors like a tow, you have a different car to your team or something then you need to be replaced.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 15:19
De Vries outqualifies Latifi. We knew Latifi is a waste of space in a F1 car but nonetheless superb effort from the rookie.

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 15:20
This is where leadership skills come into play.

RB played their cards very well & where as ferrari agreed everything to the best of sport.
The budget cap is one of those things that's simply unenforceable. You can't keep track of how much parts and development time cost a team, or how much windtunnel time they're truly using, especially with inter-team relationships. The FIA even can't keep teams from stealing IP and fixing races in secret, nevermind the budget. It's like team orders. In a few years, it will be gone officially. It's a rule in writing only.

Unless a whistleblower comes forward, there's nothing the FIA will do to investigate simply suspicions, even if they're obvious from a viewing stand point.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 15:23
Zhou is also doing a superb job as a rookie. I do wonder what's Haas's true pace is cause I don't rate either Mag or Mick as a top-rated driver.

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 15:26
Zhou is also doing a superb job as a rookie. I do wonder what's Haas's true pace is cause I don't rate either Mag or Mick as a top-rated driver.
The Haas is "meh" on HDF tracks, and Aston level garbage on LDF tracks.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 15:28
The Haas is "meh" on HDF tracks, and Aston level garbage on LDF tracks.

And both Mag and Mick are "meh" category drivers.

patrese86
10th September 2022, 15:29
How thick can you get...

Ted Kravitz says Russell is closer this weekend to Red Bull as he's only 800 tenths behind compared to how far they were at Spa...yes because every track is identical in length and laptime isn't it Ted....these are supposed to be people who understand basic workings...

Idiots.

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 15:31
How thick can you get...

Ted Kravitz says Russell is closer this weekend to Red Bull as he's only 800 tenths behind compared to how far they were at Spa...yes because every track is identical in length and laptime isn't it Ted....these are supposed to be people who understand basic workings...

Idiots.
I don't even listen to the Sky feed. Insufferable.

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 15:32
I am digging the yellow on the car. :-D

WS6TransAm01
10th September 2022, 15:34
Charles almost lost the car in Ascari. Yikes!

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 15:36
F1 drivers are, apart from Latifi who doesn't belong in that category, are paid to drive a F1 car on edge. And the elite of them almost lose it without actually losing it.

WS6TransAm01
10th September 2022, 15:53
Would have thought Carlos would have given Charles a tow. Hmmm

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:01
THIS IS WHY CHARLES IS SPECIAL

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 16:01
Charles is just magic in qualifying. :ferrarifl

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 16:01
Love that roar!!

ferrari1.8t
10th September 2022, 16:02
Crofty so sad, poor baby hates to see us succeed!!

Forza Charles! Forza Ferrari!!!! Yesssss

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 16:03
croft sounds gutted that Charles is fastest.

458 Italia
10th September 2022, 16:03
Crofty so sad, poor baby hates to see us succeed!!

Forza Charles! Forza Ferrari!!!! Yesssss

Snap! :rotfl

patrese86
10th September 2022, 16:04
Well done Charles. Ferrari's #1

Perez is an embarrassment or Max has something else on his car which he shouldn't...

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 16:05
Super lap by Charles & Saniz. Didn’t expect that. Great.

Hopefully we have race pace to keep up that position.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 16:06
Super lap by Charles & Saniz. Didn’t expect that. Great.

Hopefully we have race pace to keep up that position.

stefa
10th September 2022, 16:06
Great laps by our boys

WS6TransAm01
10th September 2022, 16:08
Charles really is something else. The kid is the real deal. Ferrari needs to step up their game and give the the team he deserves.

drax
10th September 2022, 16:09
Great laps, happy !!

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 16:11
Charles really is something else. The kid is the real deal. Ferrari needs to step up their game and give the the team he deserves.
1000+

Build the team around him and what he wants in a car.

Tifoso Svedese
10th September 2022, 16:12
50/50 chance for tomorrow I guess.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:17
Sainz, even with a fresh engine and a massive tow from Charles, still ended up behind both Charles and Max. Just saying.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:17
https://i.imgur.com/UeO3Ofi.jpg

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:18
1000+

Build the team around him and what he wants in a car.

Not possible with Binotto. Just look at today's qualifying.

Gilles
10th September 2022, 16:19
Charles really is something else. The kid is the real deal. Ferrari needs to step up their game and give the the team he deserves.

:thumb
Give a team to the kid!

RossTheBoss
10th September 2022, 16:22
All we can hope for is a clean weekend of no engine failures, driver errors, or the infamous clown show from the pit wall.

samboozik
10th September 2022, 16:26
Well done Charles. Ferrari's #1

Perez is an embarrassment or Max has something else on his car which he shouldn't...

Of course they're cheating with Verstappen's car, there is no way Perez is that far away on a track like Monza which is a combination of straights.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:30
Of course they're cheating with Verstappen's car, there is no way Perez is that far away on a track like Monza which is a combination of straights.

Why? What has Perez done in his entire F1 career to be regarded as a top F1 driver? I can't think of anything. Even a guy like Ocon looked solid against Perez.

This sub has a weird fixation of downplaying rival teams drivers. Both Charles and Max are generational talents. The sooner you accept this simple fact the better.

WS6TransAm01
10th September 2022, 16:31
Of course they're cheating with Verstappen's car, there is no way Perez is that far away on a track like Monza which is a combination of straights.

At this point they have no reason to risk being caught cheating. Max has the championship all but assured. He would have to DNF 4 times in 7 races to even make it a possibility for anyone else. We all know that won’t happen.

I think Max is just that much better than Perez.

samboozik
10th September 2022, 16:38
Why? What has Perez done in his entire F1 career to be regarded as a top F1 driver? I can't think of anything. Even a guy like Ocon looked solid against Perez.

This sub has a weird fixation of downplaying rival teams drivers. Both Charles and Max are generational talents. The sooner you accept this simple fact the better.

I know he's a generational talent I'm not against you, but look at the time sheets Perez is nearly a second behind his teammate, and no one has been over 0.3 0.4 behind his teammate in Q1 Q2 and Q3.

It does make you think there is something suspicious.

And by the way this sub has a weird fixation of bashing our own team :rotfl

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:52
I know he's a generational talent I'm not against you, but look at the time sheets Perez is nearly a second behind his teammate, and no one has been over 0.3 0.4 behind his teammate in Q1 Q2 and Q3.

It does make you think there is something suspicious.

And by the way this sub has a weird fixation of bashing our own team :rotfl

It's not that surprising tbh. Look at the difference between Mag and Mick, had his times not been deleted, Mag would've been in Q2 easily. He was already 6 tenths faster than Mick in Q1. And Max is on a different galaxy compared to Mag.

Sainz also got a massive tow from Charles, which improved his lap times by at least 3 tenths. And considering he also has a fresh engine, still ended up nearly 3 tenths behind Charles. Without his fresh engine and the tow, the gap would've been massive and same as the gap between Max and Perez.

And do you think Ferraris management and pitwall deserves praise for their effort?

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 16:53
https://i.imgur.com/rDE49Tv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mzuUyNr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h7zu5JE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UxIBdwP.jpg

samboozik
10th September 2022, 17:01
It's not that surprising tbh. Look at the difference between Mag and Mick, had his times not been deleted, Mag would've been in Q2 easily. He was already 6 tenths faster than Mick in Q1. And Max is on a different galaxy compared to Mag.

Sainz also got a massive tow from Charles, which improved his lap times by at least 3 tenths. And considering he also has a fresh engine, still ended up nearly 3 tenths behind Charles. Without his fresh engine and the tow, the gap would've been massive and same as the gap between Max and Perez.

And do you think Ferraris management and pitwall deserves praise for their effort?

It was Charles who got the tow from Mclaren at the last effort in q3 and not Carlos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM1QeVPpcuQ

Silent Bob
10th September 2022, 17:10
Not sure why they let Sainz quaky so high. Didnt they just give Max an extra place to move up?

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 17:11
It was Charles who got the tow from Mclaren at the last effort in q3 and not Carlos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM1QeVPpcuQ

That's not how tow works. Just cause you can see Charles at the distance, it doesn't mean he got the tow. For any meaningful tow, the gap should be around 3 seconds at the start of the lap. The Mclaren is too slow, on pure pace it was 1.6-1.8 seconds slower. Charles would've lost time rather than gaining it.

Also Norris was already leaving the Ascari chicane when Charles was at the end of sector 2.

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 17:12
Not sure why they let Sainz quaky so high. Didnt they just give Max an extra place to move up?

Yup, Sainz not doing any Q3 would've put Max in P5.

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 17:21
Leclerc should have never made into Q2. Leclerc went over track limits in Q1 on T7 on his only lap time ....the same area Alonso's time got deleted in Q3 and for the same reason-->Alonso went over track limits.

Will the stewards do anything about it........I doubt it. (See pics)


Alonso going over track limits on T7 in Q3 pics


https://twitter.com/TSlafer/status/1568623103076360192/photo/1

https://twitter.com/TSlafer/status/1568623103076360192/photo/2

https://twitter.com/TSlafer/status/1568623103076360192/photo/3




Leclerc going over track limits in T7 in Q1 pics

https://twitter.com/TSlafer/status/1568622040684404736/photo/1

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 17:27
Leclerc should have never made into Q2. Leclerc went over track limits in Q1 on T7 on his only lap time ....the same area Alonso's time got deleted in Q3 and for the same reason-->Alonso went over track limits.

Will the stewards do anything about it........I doubt it. (See pics)


Leclerc going over track limits in T7 in Q1 pics

https://twitter.com/TSlafer/status/1568622040684404736/photo/1

Can you provide any evidence of Charles being on a timed lap when that pic was taken?

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 17:31
Can you provide any evidence of Charles being on a timed lap when that pic was taken?

It was his only timed lap in Q1 according to the source and it is Leclerc. (It's in Spanish)

wisepie
10th September 2022, 17:35
Superb lap from Charles to take pole on his own merit, but the race is tomorrow and I dread that feeling of uncertainty over reliability and strategy. If there's any justice in F1, Charles deserves a win more than anyone else, as do Ferrari after all the highs and lows this season. Stupid penalties getting sillier each race, hope Carlos can make it through for some good points.:pray

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 17:36
It was his only timed lap in Q1 according to the source and it is Leclerc. (It's in Spanish)

So, there is ZERO evidence of Charles being on a timed lap. It shows nothing, just like all those low-res UFO photos.

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 17:39
So, there is ZERO evidence of Charles being on a timed lap. It shows nothing, just like all those low-res UFO photos.

The source is a journalist from Soymotor (a Spanish Motorsport platform) and it's very credible. I'm just the messenger.:-)

tifosi1993
10th September 2022, 17:45
The source is a journalist from Soymotor (a Spanish Motorsport platform) and it's very credible. I'm just the messenger.:-)

Soymotor is hardly credible, just like Lobato. But both of them are full of "Soy" because of their homeboy Carlos, undoubtedly.

I know you're the messenger, no hard feelings toward you.

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 17:48
Soymotor is hardly credible, just like Lobato. But both of them are full of "Soy" because of their homeboy Carlos, undoubtedly.

I know you're the messenger, no hard feelings toward you.

maybe so.........but I doubt the stewards will reverse anything IF what the source (Spanish journo) is saying is true.

Silent Bob
10th September 2022, 17:50
Not sure why they let Sainz quaky so high. Didnt they just give Max an extra place to move up?

Think they just said that Max will be starting 7. Something about having to serve full penalty according to a Masi memo from 2020. Not sure what the starting grid looks like.

SB92
10th September 2022, 17:58
Monza generally has low tire deg, but given how awful our race pace has been since Hungary, im not holding out much hope.

samboozik
10th September 2022, 18:02
Is this credible?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiVNqR-rQWs/

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 18:34
Is this credible?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiVNqR-rQWs/

nope.....Max will start P7.

samboozik
10th September 2022, 18:38
And what about this from Skysports

8084
8085

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 18:41
And what about this from Skysports

8084
8085

That's wrong also.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 19:04
Sainz, even with a fresh engine and a massive tow from Charles, still ended up behind both Charles and Max. Just saying.

His outlap was compromised by Perez.
S1 wasn’t good.

nani_s23
10th September 2022, 19:30
#AMus

Ferrari unleashed additional power for home GP. Due to reliability issues engine was turned down for few GP’s.

WS6TransAm01
10th September 2022, 20:50
God I hope Charles can get that W tomorrow. It would be amazing.

jgonzalesm6
10th September 2022, 20:58
Here's the official starting grid.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1568688659637096448/photo/1

Tifoso
10th September 2022, 21:05
Here's the official starting grid.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1568688659637096448/photo/1
Grazie, fratello!

Alonsomaniac
10th September 2022, 22:38
It was his only timed lap in Q1 according to the source and it is Leclerc. (It's in Spanish)

He only did one timed lap in Q1, that's correct. But that's not when the picture was taken. On the picture you can clearly see him going over the tracklimits............but they were not there. It was in one of the FP's when this picture was taken.
The picture started to circulate on Verstappen sites and they all went wild of course...........

stefa
10th September 2022, 22:46
God I hope Charles can get that W tomorrow. It would be amazing.
:pray

alfaromeo
10th September 2022, 23:27
Forza Ferrari ��️

Brembo
11th September 2022, 02:38
God I hope Charles can get that W tomorrow. It would be amazing.

If Carlos wins it will be also amazing !! It's been a long time since either Ferrari driver has an equal shot !

paolo lalli
11th September 2022, 03:00
The championships are gone and are yesterdays news, I hope ferrari Charles and Carlos put on a real show for the fans and do the prancing horse justice fingers crossed.

nani_s23
11th September 2022, 08:27
Interesting information from #AMuS regarding the PU Power ranking:

1. Ferrari

2. Honda: 3-4 kilowatts down on Ferrari (~4 to 5hp), but their electric power lasts the longest than any other PU

3. Mercedes: 5 kilowatts down on Ferrari (~7hp)

Between Honda and Ferrari there is talk of 4Kw in favor of Maranello

Riccardog
11th September 2022, 08:35
The whimpering end to motor racing under fia rule...
Watching the stopped f3 race, and it all hangs in the air as penalties are being dished out...
What a shameful display.