2022 Mexican Grand Prix - Race Thread

[tifosi1993]

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[wisepie]

I hope I'm wrong but this could be hard to watch, hoping that the gremilins affecting Charles in quali can be fixed, but starting where he and Carlos are doesn't bode well. We live in hope, as ever.:pray

[WS6TransAm01]

Time for Carlos to pay back the favor to George. It’s only a 5 second penalty, so who cares. Right?

[nani_s23]

Time for Carlos to pay back the favor to George. It’s only a 5 second penalty, so who cares. Right?

It’s time for Mattia as well to payback. Just some amount of fine & 10% wind tunnel reduction for RB.

Hence you can bend the rules & play politics. That’s it.

[WS6TransAm01]

It’s time for Mattia as well to payback. Just some amount of fine & 10% wind tunnel reduction for RB.

Hence you can bend the rules & play politics. That’s it.

Horner is saying 10% time deduction in the wind runner is .25s to .50s in lap time. Wonder if that’s true.

[nani_s23]

Horner is saying 10% time deduction in the wind runner is .25s to .50s in lap time. Wonder if that’s true.

He speaks a lot …!!

Now he’s projecting to other teams that this penalty is very harsh. Nothing more than that.

[aroutis]

Horner is saying 10% time deduction in the wind runner is .25s to .50s in lap time. Wonder if that’s true.

In his place, would you tell the truth to the other teams?
There 's your answer.

[WS6TransAm01]

In his place, would you tell the truth to the other teams?
There 's your answer.

Obviously not, I would also be figuring out a way to create RedBull side projects to run the wind tunnel 24/7

[Smintlemon]

I hope I'm wrong but this could be hard to watch, hoping that the gremilins affecting Charles in quali can be fixed, but starting where he and Carlos are doesn't bode well. We live in hope, as ever.:pray

From AMuS
So, this will be a very disappointing race.

Trainingskönig Ferrari qualifizierte sich in Mexiko nur für die Startplätze fünf und sieben. Auf die Spitze fehlte eine halbe Sekunde. Ferrari muss in der dünnen Höhenluft die Leistung herunterdrehen, um die Turbolader zu schonen. Das hat dann auch Konsequenzen für das Auto.

[nani_s23]

Obviously not, I would also be figuring out a way to create RedBull side projects to run the wind tunnel 24/7

The way I look at it is… this year Mattia was very vocal about FIA policing.
He says there are loop holes/grey areas.

When there are such things, why don’t you utilise & come out on top?

Merc did it & RB has done it too. At the end title matters.

All this scrap of cheating/Fair game talks doesn’t last long in the current world.

[brucewayne]

Less engine modes, DRS broken, TD039 - the list goes on and on. We are loosing more than 0.5 seconds on the straights. It always affects Ferrari and no other team, no surprise to me anymore. This team is average, always finds a way to screw things up. No drivability after TD039 anymore, it is a shame to the legacy of Enzo Ferrari. All they do is to put their focus on to the next year, only to find theirselves in the same situation at the end of the year again. RB has an outdated wind tunnel and are still delivering year after year. We have a state of the art wind tunnel, only to have correlation problems again. No accountability at all, no political power.

Only Ferrari finds a way to develop a car towards the preferences of their second driver. We never had a chance against RB in the first place. And we won't have a chance in the following years. To compete with RB and Max, you have to match their approach. This nonsense of Ferrari is the best way to loose again. Imagine rejecting Jean Todt as an consultant. No strategic thinking in the first place. Disasterclass!

[jgonzalesm6]

Max Verstappen, Christian Horner and the whole RedBull team are boycotting to speaking to SkySports after Kravitz's "denial" of the 2021 WDC title to Max Verstappen at COTA 2022 in Kravitz's notebook.

Good for them(team RedBull).

[JPZ]

Horner is saying 10% time deduction in the wind runner is .25s to .50s in lap time. Wonder if that’s true.

Doubt it would really make a difference in performance next year if their car design is excellent from the start.

[jgonzalesm6]

Horner is saying 10% time deduction in the wind runner is .25s to .50s in lap time. Wonder if that’s true.


He speaks a lot …!!

Now he’s projecting to other teams that this penalty is very harsh. Nothing more than that.


In his place, would you tell the truth to the other teams?
There 's your answer.


Obviously not, I would also be figuring out a way to create RedBull side projects to run the wind tunnel 24/7

It's not a flat 10% value, its a 10% reduction of Coefficient C used in the calculation metrics.

As they won this years Championships, they are on 70% of the allocation.

10% of that, leaves them on 63%

So its a 7% reduction in CFD and wind tunnel time.

[nani_s23]

It's not a flat 10% value, its a 10% reduction of Coefficient C used in the calculation metrics.

As they won this years Championships, they are on 70% of the allocation.

10% of that, leaves them on 63%

So its a 7% reduction in CFD and wind tunnel time.

Then it doesn’t matter even more.

Already RB are ahead & they have light weight chassis under their belt. This is going to be RB era once again.

[nani_s23]

After the failure of the LEC DRS in qualifying, the movable flaps were replaced as a precaution for both drivers

@Formu1a_uno

[Cheeseman]

Lewis is talking victimy stuff on the pre-show so had to change the channel for 10 mins to not hear his whining

[brucewayne]

Max Verstappen, Christian Horner and the whole RedBull team are boycotting to speaking to SkySports after Kravitz's "denial" of the 2021 WDC title to Max Verstappen at COTA 2022 in Kravitz's notebook.

Good for them(team RedBull).

Good for the viewers. RB is trying to manipulate the narrative, but this time things don’t go their way. Very sensitive and unprofessional behavior. They cheated and got caught. That’s the truth.

[brucewayne]

Then it doesn’t matter even more.

Already RB are ahead & they have light weight chassis under their belt. This is going to be RB era once again.

There will be changes to the floor next year, so we will see. I wouldn’t be suprised if Mercedes would be very competitive next year.

[stefa]

Going into this race with ZERO expectations...

[drax]

Hopefully not as painful as we expect … good luck to your boys on the start

[nani_s23]

Sainz is a big idiot. He’s racing against his own team mate.

[stefa]

Ferrari cannot keep up with mercedes?!?!?

[brucewayne]

No pace at all, as expected

[stefa]

Slow as a rock!

[elnano14]

Nearly 1s slower per lap...

[stefa]

I fear LH can win this

[brucewayne]

Detuned engine

[brucewayne]

I fear LH can win this

Would be great actually

[stefa]

Would be great actually

?!?!??

[brucewayne]

?!?!??

Our season is over, so I don’t care anymore. Maybe if we loose the second place, it would trigger some needed changes

[stefa]

Our season is over, so I don’t care anymore. Maybe if we loose the second place, it would trigger some needed changes

Trigger changes!?!??! :rotfl
They made so many fudge ups this season, and everything is peachy for them :furious

[458 Italia]

This race is a bit embarrassing for Ferrari really.

[brucewayne]

Trigger changes!?!??! :rotfl
They made so many fudge ups this season, and everything is peachy for them :furious

And it’s still business as usual. Look at this embarrassing performance once again. Pathetic, nothing else. All we can do is detune the engine once again. Year after year, it’s the same.

[stefa]

This race is a bit embarrassing for Ferrari really.

A bit you say!? This season is BIG embarrassment!

[elnano14]

Gap between Russell and Sainz is bigger than the gap between Leclerc and Alonso lol
We really finish 3rd in 2 horse race

[Aziz]

Detuned engine

Lec has a new engine

[Schumiklub]

Lec has a new engine

It's still detuned I think to preserve the turbo.

[brucewayne]

They still detuned the engine for this week, to save the turbo as they feared a failure. Pathetic as usual

[stefa]

Ferrari is one sec slower than GR!!!

[Schumiklub]

We're just slow everywhere, we'll lose P2 in the WCC for sure.

[brucewayne]

We're just slow everywhere, we'll lose P2 in the WCC for sure.

We don’t deserve P2 in the WCC, to be honest.

[458 Italia]

I feel sorry for whoever has to go in and clean the commentary booth after the race.

[brucewayne]

I actually prefer a Ferrari engine failure and a normal peformance in comparison to this disaster!

[Schumiklub]

They're keeping Leclerc out for three more laps so Alonso can close right up to him. Even Charles asking why they're staying on the tyres on team radio.

[458 Italia]

Even when there's no pressure they still mess up pit stops.

[Schumiklub]

Already after 3 laps on the mediums they're telling Charles to save tyres, oh come on.

[brucewayne]

Ferrari is not able to ride the curbs anymore. After TD039, it is a disaster. But they try to tell us that it didn’t have an influence. They can’t even admit it

[drax]

We are going to loose P2 in the Championship to Merc

[Schumiklub]

Ferrari is not able to ride the curbs anymore. After TD039, it is a disaster. But they try to tell us that it didn’t have an influence. They can’t even admit it

Yeah, I'm watching on-board with Charles, the car is just jumping around on the curbs, it's crazy.

[Cheeseman]

Being a Ferrari fan at the moment is about as exciting as a sleep over at Jeffrey Dahmer's. Painful to watch

[Schumiklub]

Being a Ferrari fan at the moment is about as exciting as a sleep over at Jeffrey Dahmer's. Painful to watch

It hurts the soul, and when you think back to Bahrain and how it all started, I just want to cry.

[stefa]

Being a Ferrari fan at the moment is about as exciting as a sleep over at Jeffrey Dahmer's. Painful to watch

It's been like that for years

[stefa]

It hurts the soul, and when you think back to Bahrain and how it all started, I just want to cry.

I feel you! They gave us hope, and than everything is thrown away!

[brucewayne]

It's been like that for years

We are happily working on next year’s car. Because next year will be our year, right? We don’t deserve P2 in the WCC!

[brucewayne]

I feel you! They gave us hope, and than everything is thrown away!

Only Ferrari is able to go from the best car to the third fastest car in 6 months.

[Schumiklub]

We are happily working on next year’s car. Because next year will be our year, right? We don’t deserve P2 in the WCC!

We don't deserve to be in F1 at all like this. It's just an embarrassment. Enzo would be ashamed of this team. We lost the development battle - AGAIN - and there's no indication this is going to change any time soon.

[brucewayne]

Mercedes dropped the ball with their wrong tyre strategy.

[Schumiklub]

We're a full second slower than Mercedes, and they're on the slower tyre.

[stefa]

What a boring race

[Schumiklub]

What a boring race

A total snooze fest.

[Greig]

We don't deserve to be in F1 at all like this. It's just an embarrassment. Enzo would be ashamed of this team. We lost the development battle - AGAIN - and there's no indication this is going to change any time soon.

Come on we had much worse seasons under Enzo....

[drax]

I think we will stop again

[brucewayne]

We're a full second slower than Mercedes, and they're on the slower tyre.

Detuned engine, plus we are forced to run a higher ride height. Our floor and sidepods aren’t designed to run this high. How on earth did they did they allow TD039 in the first place? No political power. Too naive. Imagine rejecting Jean Todt as an consultant at the beginning of the year.

[458 Italia]

Such a boring race :-ZZ

[Schumiklub]

Come on we had much worse seasons under Enzo....

That's true, but it was just such a strong start and they told us they sacrificed two season to develop for this one, and again a big NOTHING.

[stefa]

That's true, but it was just such a strong start and they told us they sacrificed two season to develop for this one, and again a big NOTHING.

It hurts, coz we felt hope! And yet again they failed

[Schumiklub]

It hurts, coz we felt hope! And yet again they failed

Exactly. I was so pumped for this season after I first saw the car and how different it looked from everyone else's. I thought this was going to be that season. Next year Mercedes will be back for sure, so this was probably our best chance of winning the championship.

[brucewayne]

If you look how we developed this car, we lost the front of the car so Sainz could be more comfortable in the car. Only Ferrari could do things like this. You don’t see RB something like this for Perez. No teeth anymore, we need someone like Jean Todt again.

[WS6TransAm01]

The utter failure of Ferrari this year would be funny if it wasn’t so damn tragic.

I don’t understand how anyone can maintain an argument for Binotto to keep his position after this. Mercedes was nowhere in the beginning and now Ferrari can’t even keep up with them. It’s so damn sad how the lack of leadership is destroying this team.

[Schumiklub]

Aaand Charles' tyres are going, so he's going to be dropping like a stone. I wouldn't be surprised if Max laps him.

[Liscia]

Slipped my mind as was doing stuff and just caught up now.
About what I expected and don't really care who wins just hope our guys hold position for points to lose
less ground to Mercs.

[brucewayne]

Aaand Charles' tyres are going, so he's going to be dropping like a stone. I wouldn't be surprised if Max laps him.

Just pit on new softs

[Schumiklub]

Ugh, Charles had a big moment. Almost lost it.

[drax]

If possible we should try the FL

[458 Italia]

What a snoozefest this has been :doh

[Schumiklub]

We can't get past Stroll. Oh man.

[nani_s23]

If possible we should try the FL

Ferrari pit wall doesn’t have that brain to think about it

[Gilles]

Some genius said he wanted to win the eleven remaining races... Now, we know that was one more joke

[nani_s23]

Surprisingly we are taking penalties & we are not finishing races.
Still we are not able to solve reliability issues & tyre deg.

[nani_s23]

Surprisingly we are taking penalties & we are not finishing races.
Still we are not able to solve reliability issues & tyre deg.

[nani_s23]

Mattia will come & say. This race is all about survival.

[stefa]

minute behind race winner

[brucewayne]

Ferrari pit wall doesn’t have that brain to think about it

Should have been a no brainer for Charles.

[stefa]

What an epic failure this season is for Ferrari!

[brucewayne]

Embarrassing

[WS6TransAm01]

What an epic failure this season is for Ferrari!

Yup. All under the watchful eye of Mr “For the Good of the Sport”

How he isn’t fired already, I just do not understand.

[Schumiklub]

Charles saying: "We really struggled. The overheating was quite a bit, but I don't think it would have mattered anyway."

So, even with a detuned engine we still had overheating.

[nani_s23]

What an epic failure this season is for Ferrari!

2020 & 2021 were more epic compared to 2022.

[nani_s23]

What an epic failure this season is for Ferrari!

2020 & 2021 were more epic compared to 2022.

[stefa]

Yup. All under the watchful eye of Mr “For the Good of the Sport”

How he isn’t fired already, I just do not understand.

That must be greatest job in the world! You do whatever you want, get payed and no responsibility at all!

[brucewayne]

Yup. All under the watchful eye of Mr “For the Good of the Sport”

How he isn’t fired already, I just do not understand.

Scuderia „For the Good of the Sport“ Ferrari

Meanwhile, RB is celebrating victory after victory.

[stefa]

2020 & 2021 were more epic compared to 2022.

No! This hurts more! Because there was hope in the beginning!

[nani_s23]

RB18 is a beast. No matter what strategy you throw against them, they are coming out on top.

[brucewayne]

If you look at the data, Charles is loosing tenths to Sainz on every straight. What a embarrassing performance from Ferrari once again

[brucewayne]

RB18 is a beast. No matter what strategy you throw against them, they are coming out on top.

No doubt. But genuinely think Mercedes dropped the ball today. Should have started on the softs, then mediums.

[WS6TransAm01]

2020 & 2021 were more epic compared to 2022.

I find it much more of a failure to start off with a winning car and to degrade it so much that it can’t keep up with a team that was a second and a half off the pace at the beginning.

Starting the season with a slow cad and staying slow is one thing. But starting of winning and making your car slower while everyone around you gets faster is an abysmal failure. One that is owned nearly entirely by Binotto. And yet, failure is rewarded by him retaining his position.

I don’t understand how?

[nani_s23]

No doubt. But genuinely think Mercedes dropped the ball today. Should have started on the softs, then mediums.

They don’t have other option to counter RB. On the straights it’s difficult to overtake RB. Hence tried this option & other reason being ferrari not being competitive played them to use this strategy.

What they could have tried is Softs at the last stint.

[nani_s23]

I find it much more of a failure to start off with a winning car and to degrade it so much that it can’t keep up with a team that was a second and a half off the pace at the beginning.

Starting the season with a slow cad and staying slow is one thing. But starting of winning and making your car slower while everyone around you gets faster is an abysmal failure. One that is owned nearly entirely by Binotto. And yet, failure is rewarded by him retaining his position.

I don’t understand how?

It’s been 4 seasons Mattia is leading the team. I think it’s high time to look for other options (non-Italian) & bring some key people into the team. I don’t see we can stand against RB & Merc in development or politics race.

[brucewayne]

They don’t have other option to counter RB. On the straights it’s difficult to overtake RB. Hence tried this option & other reason being ferrari not being competitive played them to use this strategy.

What they could have tried is Softs at the last stint.

At least running longer on the mediums, and then softs yes. Otherwise there is no real benefit in starting on mediums. Worked out well for Ricciardo.

[brucewayne]

It’s been 4 seasons Mattia is leading the team. I think it’s high time to look for other options (non-Italian) & bring some key people into the team. I don’t see we can stand against RB & Merc in development or politics race.

This would take 2-3 years before any benefits. So basically 2026 with the new engine rules.

[WS6TransAm01]

It’s been 4 seasons Mattia is leading the team. I think it’s high time to look for other options (non-Italian) & bring some key people into the team. I don’t see we can stand against RB & Merc in development or politics race.

He has been a complete failure on every damn front. There is absolutely no excuse for him still have it a job.

Anyone who defends him does so out of pure ignorance and stubbornness. Send him back to the engine department or send him packing. Hire. German or Brit, hell maybe even a crazy Yank, but it’s pretty clear that they are 0 for 3 with Italians in the TP roll.

[nani_s23]

This would take 2-3 years before any benefits. So basically 2026 with the new engine rules.

Please don’t come with such conclusions or assumptions.

Mattia did say the same that we are doing head start on 2022 by giving away 2020 & 2021. Results are visible with another disaster.

[nani_s23]

Charles is at 2nd in WDC & we need maximum points to stay close to Perez. Instead Carlos Saniz is fighting with Charles during Lap1. Wow what a team.

[brucewayne]

Please don’t come with such conclusions or assumptions.

Mattia did say the same that we are doing head start on 2022 by giving away 2020 & 2021. Results are visible with another disaster.

I am with you, just making clear that this would still be a long way to improve. But something hast to happen. At first, I would install Jean Todt immediately, similar to Lauda with Mercedes in the past.

[Gilles]

The car is still a good car, but it is distroyed at least by the high ride and the wooden suspension. With low power mode like today, the disaster is total.
Thanks to the FIA, thanks Mattia
I can't wait to see the next 2023' jokes circus show

Give the kid a TP

[330 p4]

2020 6th, 2021 3rd, 2022 scrape 2nd. Its improving. Hope at the start when engines working but reliability killed it. Yes bad strategy in some races but general trajectory is improvement. Engine was always a risk but as engine cannot be changed until 2026 risk had to be taken and can update for reliability. Today engines were turned down for reliability I am sure of it. I am expecting improvement next year on reliability and strategy BUT if they win the title I doubt. Between now and new rules I expect them to be closer and closer over the course of a season. Think they will start really well again next year.

[Liscia]

I hope Charles can keep ahead of Perez in 2nd@WDC but it now looks ominous:(
Have any of you guys seen the 499P LMH? Looks great and praying for it's success!

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles is at 2nd in WDC & we need maximum points to stay close to Perez.

Perez is 2nd in the WDC standings.....Perez has 280 points vs Leclerc's 275 points......still close.


I hope Charles can keep ahead of Perez in 2nd@WDC but it now looks ominous:(
Have any of you guys seen the 499P LMH? Looks great and praying for it's success!

I saw the 499P during its unveiling and also at the Ferrari Mondiali 2022 on YouTube alongside the 296GT3.

[qjay]

Come on we had much worse seasons under Enzo....

Exactly right.

[WS6TransAm01]

Charles should start having talks with Merc for when the Affirmative Action Champion hangs up his two chains.

I would love to see him be Ferrari’s next champ but unless Matia gets handed a pink slip it won’t happen. Ferrari will waste his best years like they did with Fernando and Seb.

It pains me to say it but unlike some on here I never shy away from the truth.

[The Architect]

I feel like I've reverted to 2020/2021 Ferrari supporter mode. Expect nothing, celebrate with a slight smile if they manage to make it to the podium and otherwise relax and just forget Ferrari are competing and try to enjoy the other battles. Easier said than done, but I've had a lot of practice. I want to get angry at another pathetic performance, but it's just not worth it, it's been the pattern for over a decade that it's just normal.

Maybe it might be fun to watch the 499P in WEC next year as AF Corse aren't as shoddy as Scuderia Ferrari, but BoP will inevitably infuriate me.

[Rishu]

We cannot afford to lose Mattia the engineer, and he having now worked as the team boss will not accept working under someone else

[JPZ]

The TD destroyed what was left of Ferrari’s competitiveness this season and brought Mercedes back into the fight.

[nani_s23]

We cannot afford to lose Mattia the engineer, and he having now worked as the team boss will not accept working under someone else

Then what’s next? Should he continue to produce the same results of 2020/2021 & 2022 for the next term & still maintain that position?

[nani_s23]

The TD destroyed what was left of Ferrari’s competitiveness this season and brought Mercedes back into the fight.

In the mid season Mattia & Horner said they won’t agree for such Rule change. Mercs lobbied & got what they wanted.

Then why did Mr. Mattia agreed to the change?

[ntukza]

Only 4 pages in the race thread! That pretty much sums it up.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1586852672820346881?t=msS_ChLKi67rRKaX6bQCKA&s=19

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto:

“At the moment, we don’t have any answers or explanation. It was a difficult weekend.”

“Obviously we want better, but these races will help us understand the limits and where to focus.”

[Hornet]

During the first half of the season, I would never imagine we would be at risk of getting beaten by Mercedes.
Credits where its due, they've done a great job recovering and will likely be back in the title race next season.

Our mid season development seems to remain a weakness.

[nani_s23]

#AMus: reports that aside from being down on power, Ferrari got the wrong setup for Mexico and by the time they realized it, it was too late.

Binotto: “We didn't realise it yet in FP1. The tyre test in FP2 certainly didn't help either. The last time we were this far off was in Spa. We now have to draw the right conclusions and find our old strength again in the last two races.."

[nani_s23]

During the first half of the season, I would never imagine we would be at risk of getting beaten by Mercedes.
Credits where its due, they've done a great job recovering and will likely be back in the title race next season.

Our mid season development seems to remain a weakness.

Mid season development + Pit wall + Leadership everything is weak.

Drivers are making mistakes due to less confidence & pressure.

[WS6TransAm01]

We cannot afford to lose Mattia the engineer, and he having now worked as the team boss will not accept working under someone else

Ferrari cannot afford his failed leadership.

Which would you rather have? You want to see Ferrari P3 forever because you can’t bear the thought of firing him?

Stockholm Syndrome at it’s finest.

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto:

“In Hungary, we were criticised. It always happens when we do something wrong.”

“But Mercedes have lost the last few races by picking the wrong tyres. It is not just up to us to choose between different tyres with the risk of making mistakes.”


I am not able to understand this guy.

Everyone did choose hards in the last race. If he’s referring to Mercs, Lewis or Russel didn’t loose the position yesterday like Charles did in Hungary. What is he comparing, he is defending like crazy when it’s clear that his team did a mistake.

[brucewayne]

Mattia Binotto:

“In Hungary, we were criticised. It always happens when we do something wrong.”

“But Mercedes have lost the last few races by picking the wrong tyres. It is not just up to us to choose between different tyres with the risk of making mistakes.”


I am not able to understand this guy.

Everyone did choose hards in the last race. If he’s referring to Mercs, Lewis or Russel didn’t loose the position yesterday like Charles did in Hungary. What is he comparing, he is defending like crazy when it’s clear that his team did a mistake.

He is right regarding the tyre choices. Mercedes should have won this race, but they dropped the ball badly. Just like we did in Hungary.

[nani_s23]

He is right regarding the tyre choices. Mercedes should have won this race, but they dropped the ball badly. Just like we did in Hungary.

Wrong.

See the outcome.

Hungary -> Leclerc was fastest & was a complete winner. Then came the strategy call which eventually cost the win.

Mercs-> tried to different strategy to win. Didn’t loose anything.

[WS6TransAm01]

Mattia Binotto:

“In Hungary, we were criticised. It always happens when we do something wrong.”

“But Mercedes have lost the last few races by picking the wrong tyres. It is not just up to us to choose between different tyres with the risk of making mistakes.”


I am not able to understand this guy.

Everyone did choose hards in the last race. If he’s referring to Mercs, Lewis or Russel didn’t loose the position yesterday like Charles did in Hungary. What is he comparing, he is defending like crazy when it’s clear that his team did a mistake.

If Mercedes had Ferrari’s car at the beginning of the season they would have won both championships this year. Period.

That’s the difference in leadership.

Binotto needs to get his own house in order before he tries to deflect to a team which went from nowhere to within striking distance of Second in the championship while his own has degraded precipitously the whole year.

He is truly a complete failure.

[jgonzalesm6]

He is right regarding the tyre choices. Mercedes should have won this race, but they dropped the ball badly. Just like we did in Hungary.


Wrong.

See the outcome.

Hungary -> Leclerc was fastest & was a complete winner. Then came the strategy call which eventually cost the win.

Mercs-> tried to different strategy to win. Didn’t loose anything.

This race came down to tire choice.

Redbull chose softs then mediums then mediums.

Mercedes chose hards then hards.

Mercedes told Lewis that the mediums were going to drop off at the end of the race when Lewis complained about the hards....I'm still waiting for the mediums to drop off.

Max was pulling 1:22's throughout the WHOLE RACE.....except for the VSC.......Max did'nt do 1:23's or 1:24's.....but 1:22's.


Note: After Max pitted from softs to mediums on lap 25(???), Max's pit told him that the softs were of no concern on tread life and could have gone longer on the softs.

The Redbull RB18 is awesome on tire degredation regardless of tire choice given the track.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari ran a further 15 HP in Mexico, which add up to those 'lost' after Sainz's breakup in Austria. However, with the introduction of the DT39, the F1-75 is no longer the same even if Binotto continues to deny.

@Formu1a_uno

[nani_s23]

This race came down to tire choice.

Redbull chose softs then mediums then mediums.

Mercedes chose hards then hards.

Mercedes told Lewis that the mediums were going to drop off at the end of the race when Lewis complained about the hards....I'm still waiting for the mediums to drop off.

Max was pulling 1:22's throughout the WHOLE RACE.....except for the VSC.......Max did'nt do 1:23's or 1:24's.....but 1:22's.


Note: After Max pitted from softs to mediums on lap 25(???), Max's pit told him that the softs were of no concern on tread life and could have gone longer on the softs.

The Redbull RB18 is awesome on tire degredation regardless of tire choice given the track.

That’s what I said yesterday. No matter what strategy you throw at RB-Max they are coming out on top. RB18 is a beast in Race.

The point which I’m trying to highlight it, Mattia was saying Merc did a mistake with Hard Tyres & he’s comparing with our tyre choice in Hungary. Which is absolutely idiotic.

Merc nowhere in winning position in Mexico, but in Hungary Leclerc was in a winning situation. Both are different.

[alfaromeo]

8090
Ferrari 2022 F1 Team
Sorry I love Ferrari maybe 2023 …

[wisepie]

Boring and depressing race for Ferrari but I'll take the double points finish as a bonus and pray that we can come back in Brazil, and at least be competitive. This was a a classic damage limitation race for the team which is both unforgiveable and embarrassing, given our status before the TD39 ruling which has helped Mercedes and no-one else. Our drivers deserve better and a proper team principal with balls would help.:-E

[nani_s23]

Race Pace

1st stint:
- VER (S)
- HAM, +0.033 (M)
- PER, +0.166 (S)
- RUS, +0.205 (M)
- SAI, +0.735 (S)
- LEC, +0.912 (S)

2nd stint:
- VER (M)
- HAM, +0.212 (H)
- PER, +0.223 (M)
- RUS, +0.236 (H, less fuel)
- SAI, +0.626 (M)
- LEC, +0.662 (M)

[brucewayne]

That’s what I said yesterday. No matter what strategy you throw at RB-Max they are coming out on top. RB18 is a beast in Race.

The point which I’m trying to highlight it, Mattia was saying Merc did a mistake with Hard Tyres & he’s comparing with our tyre choice in Hungary. Which is absolutely idiotic.

Merc nowhere in winning position in Mexico, but in Hungary Leclerc was in a winning situation. Both are different.

They were on the wrong tires from the beginning. Should have splitted strategy, aggressive undercut with one car. They dropped the ball, this should have been a Mercedes win. Should have started on softs and attacked Max at the start. Everyone here would have been furious if Ferrari made the same mistake yesterday. Rightfully.

[stefa]

If Mercedes had Ferrari’s car at the beginning of the season they would have won both championships this year. Period.

That’s the difference in leadership.

Binotto needs to get his own house in order before he tries to deflect to a team which went from nowhere to within striking distance of Second in the championship while his own has degraded precipitously the whole year.

He is truly a complete failure.

:clap

[brucewayne]

Ferrari ran a further 15 HP in Mexico, which add up to those 'lost' after Sainz's breakup in Austria. However, with the introduction of the DT39, the F1-75 is no longer the same even if Binotto continues to deny.

@Formu1a_uno

The most important thing will be to get reliability back. You design your chassis according to the power output of your engine. Since we had to detune after Austria, the balance is totally messed up. Obviously, TD039 comes into play too.

[nani_s23]

They were on the wrong tires from the beginning. Should have splitted strategy, aggressive undercut with one car. They dropped the ball, this should have been a Mercedes win. Should have started on softs and attacked Max at the start. Everyone here would have been furious if Ferrari made the same mistake yesterday. Rightfully.

Merc didn’t loose any place apart from start from Russell.

With Max race pace & given straight line speed advantage of RB, there is no chance for Mercs. They are close but enough close to Mercs. That’s the reason Mercs tried other way around if there’s any possibility.

Just like Ferrari did it in Monza against Charles leclerc to counter RB.

[brucewayne]

Merc didn’t loose any place apart from start from Russell.

With Max race pace & given straight line speed advantage of RB, there is no chance for Mercs. They are close but enough close to Mercs. That’s the reason Mercs tried other way around if there’s any possibility.

Just like Ferrari did it in Monza against Charles leclerc to counter RB.

They could have attacked Max with softs at the start. Plus they could have tried to undercut him. With Mediums, there is no way to undercut Max. Big mistake from Mercedes, as they have maybe the best tyre degradation. But if you start on Mediums, at least one of them should have gone long and switch to softs. Just like Ricciardo.

[TTRSMAD]

I hope next year, Ferrari doesn't do the same mistake they did in the 2019 car looking for outright straight line performance and neglecting the ability to be competitive everywhere.

The magic is somewhere in between the floor and the suspension of the car under load and obviously the engine needs to be there of course. The TD039 messed up what made F1-75 so good. Remember when nobody could touch us in Barcelona S3.

Binotto is learning the hard way that if you don't lobby and don't fight for your team like a gladiator, **** is never going to go your way.

[Gilles]

Binotto is learning the hard way that if you don't lobby and don't fight for your team like a gladiator, **** is never going to go your way.

Binotto only knows how to be firm with Charles. He cuts off his wings, while he is a clown in front of the Fia, for the good of the sport

Give the kid a TD

[JPZ]

I hope next year, Ferrari doesn't do the same mistake they did in the 2019 car looking for outright straight line performance and neglecting the ability to be competitive everywhere.

The magic is somewhere in between the floor and the suspension of the car under load and obviously the engine needs to be there of course. The TD039 messed up what made F1-75 so good. Remember when nobody could touch us in Barcelona S3.

Binotto is learning the hard way that if you don't lobby and don't fight for your team like a gladiator, **** is never going to go your way.

It was blatantly obvious to everyone that Mercedes were lobbying the TD for their own advantage due to the failed concept of their car which couldn't handle the low ride height.

Ferrari designed their car specifically for a low ride height according to the regulations, and yet accepted this, surely knowing it must hurt their performance and benefit Mercedes?

I could accept Ferrari losing performance due to their own development failures, but it's hard to accept when most of it's due to Mercedes successful lobbying and politics, which compromised Ferrari's successful design concept and catered to those who failed, such as Mercedes.

[Gilles]

How many years has this guy been saying that the team will learn from each disaster?
With him, there is always something to anderstand or to learn
Can we seriously think that guys like Rueda and Marcos make rookie mistakes?
If anyone in the team learns anything, it’s surely Charles, learning that a dream can become a nightmare, thanks to a schoolmaster who waves his finger in the box and puts a red nose out
I'm sad, but the scuderia is going nowhere, it became the needed decor for the other teams victories' show

Give the kid a TD

[Gilles]

It was blatantly obvious to everyone that Mercedes were lobbying the TD for their own advantage due to the failed concept of their car which couldn't handle the low ride height.

Ferrari designed their car specifically for a low ride height according to the regulations, and yet accepted this, surely knowing it must hurt their performance and benefit Mercedes?

I could accept Ferrari losing performance due to their own development failures, but it's hard to accept when most of it's due to Mercedes successful lobbying and politics, which compromised Ferrari's successful design concept and catered to those who failed, such as Mercedes.

Ferrari was finding pace despite a huge porpoising
Every car need to be the lower posible to find load
It was obvious that given that Ferrari wasn't able to reduce porpoising, they would lost big with the TD

[JPZ]

Even Luca di Montezemolo criticized Ferrari saying that strong politics for a team is also an important factor in order to win.

[Gilles]

He knows it, for sure, knowing he didn’t see the Mercedes' cheat coming

[Brembo]

Binotto's main job @ Ferrari was to get Mick in Carlos' seat. as far as how he's doing it may well be Charles that leaves on his own.

[racingbradley]

Binotto's main job @ Ferrari was to get Mick in Carlos' seat. as far as how he's doing it may well be Charles that leaves on his own.

If Carlos wants to stay he's safe. Mick might end up at Ferrari as reserve driver but he's not ready for a race seat. AS for Charles nowhere to go. Lewis may stay into his 40s according to Toto. I think Charles likes to race in red. :-D

[Brembo]

I think you are 100% right on all counts. I wish it on Charles and Carlos to retire with Ferrari when the time comes. They are equal if not better than the other top drivers. They need the CAR!. Lewis into his 40 , making millions each year is for sure the way to go. He may even do a 8th WDC along the way. As far as for teams; it's Ferrari's turn to be the WCC . It's overdue! Binotto is no help at all. Every year he talked about next year.

[tifosi1993]

#AMus: reports that aside from being down on power, Ferrari got the wrong setup for Mexico and by the time they realized it, it was too late.

Binotto: “We didn't realise it yet in FP1. The tyre test in FP2 certainly didn't help either. The last time we were this far off was in Spa. We now have to draw the right conclusions and find our old strength again in the last two races.."

So what happened to that "state of the art" simulator? Binotto and co were bragging about it before this season and how it would play a paramount role of getting Scuderia back to top.

I haven't seen any evidence of it being "effective" this season. Is this simulator another wasted development?

[Gilles]

So what happened to that "state of the art" simulator? Binotto and co were bragging about it before this season and how it would play a paramount role of getting Scuderia back to top.

I haven't seen any evidence of it being "effective" this season. Is this simulator another wasted development?

I think the simulator helps
The thing might be that they didn’t properly anticipate overheating, so they detuned the engine (maybe a lot more than 15 hp)
They lowered the load of the wings with the hope of losing a little less in vmax, then, since they were already sliding a lot, it became worse for the tires temps
Add to this the rigid suspension to avoid porpoising, which means poor traction, poor grip and inability to climb the kerbs
Add high ground clearance again and you change the beast into a truck

[Brembo]

As long as R Bull has Binotto on top @ Ferrari they will be in great shape. It will start soon that Binotto will be talking 2024 as Ferrari's good year.