2022 Brazilian Grand Prix - Race Thread

[tifosi1993]

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[nani_s23]

Tsunoda to start from pit lane due change in parts (FW & RW of different specifications)

[wisepie]

I don't want to be accused of flogging a dead horse, so let's see what we can do. Forza Charles and Carlos.:pray

[458 Italia]

I don't want to be accused of flogging a dead horse, so let's see what we can do. Forza Charles and Carlos.:pray

You can have this one ;-):-D

[stefa]

I don't want to be accused of flogging a dead horse, so let's see what we can do. Forza Charles and Carlos.:pray

I am like, expectations set to zero, so if something bad happens I am not dissapointed, and if something by some miracle good happen, I am excited!

[jgonzalesm6]

Track temp is over 53C!!!!.......hooooot!

[nani_s23]

Track temp is over 53C!!!!.......hooooot!

Ferrari opened up cooling ducts more due to high track temp

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari opened up cooling ducts more due to high track temp

Let's see how the tires react to this heat.....whether on mediums or soft.

[SilverSpeed]

Should suit RB again meh...

[drax]

Starting on mediums

[Greig]

Ferrari on M tyres

[nani_s23]

Horner: This is going to be a very tactical race. It's hotter than yesterday and the cars will be heavier than yesterday. So, it's going to be interesting. The plan today is to make sure [Checo] is ahead of Charles going into Abu Dhabi. Then team orders will come into play.

[jgonzalesm6]

SOFTS - Hamilton, Verstappen, Russell and Perez

MEDIUMS - Leclerc, Sainz, Magnussen, Schumacher, Stroll, Alonso, latifi and Tsunoda

HARDS: Albon

[Cheeseman]

Maybe starting on the Mediums might not be a bad shout if the tyre deg is high in the beginning with a heavy fuel load

[stefa]

Both Ferrari's on medium tires

[Greig]

Karma for Danny Ric

[Cheeseman]

Karma strikes immediately for Ricciardo

[jgonzalesm6]

Magnussen touches Ricciardo... Magnussen turned around and hits Ricciardo. Ricciardo into the wall with damage.

SAFETY CAR OUT!

[Greig]

Shame we lost that place to Lando but hopefully we will be ahead soon enough.

[stefa]

Karma for Danny Ric

That was not fun

[458 Italia]

Sounds like the engine isn't very well.

[drax]

God the communication is horrible

[Cheeseman]

Hope Charles' car doesn't have issues now

[stefa]

CL complaining about something regrading engine

[stefa]

Hope Charles' car doesn't have issues now
:pray

[elnano14]

The clown show is already begun lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Sounds like the engine isn't very well.


Hope Charles' car doesn't have issues now


CL complaining about something regrading engine


:pray

Leclerc is told it should not be a problem.

[Cheeseman]

Max! Hahaha

[Greig]

LOL Max takes out Lewis.

[Cheeseman]

Oh FFS!!!

[Greig]

Lando takes out Charles

[458 Italia]

Damn!! :-(

[drax]

Great start

[patrese86]

Oh my god!!!!!

Ban Norris the idiot

[stefa]

BUMMER!!!!

[458 Italia]

Norris should get a penalty for that.

[Greig]

Carlos makes the move on dirty Lando.

[Cheeseman]

Hamiltons fault

[458 Italia]

hamilton should get a penalty too.

[drax]

Norris fault completely

[stefa]

Cmon Carlos!!!

[stefa]

VAMOS!!!!!

[stefa]

100% LH fault

[stefa]

Damn you LANDO!!!!! :furious

[elnano14]

Race pace is good ?

[stefa]

Bloody LH!!! Luckiest driver ever to live!!! He is flying!!!

[stefa]

Race pace is good ?

CS is off like 0,4

[458 Italia]

Bloody LH!!! Luckiest driver ever to live!!! He is flying!!!

There's never any proper consequences for him.

[SilverSpeed]

Norris 100% understeers straight into CL...

Racing incident :furious.

[nani_s23]

Carlos makes the move on dirty Lando.

At the start Lando left lot of room for Perez to avoid contact.

But when these mclarens sees ferrari immediately they take them out.

Idiot Norris & Ricardo

[Cheeseman]

Carlos just needs to stay in touch on these tyres. We can chase them hard when we go on softs

[elnano14]

Leclerc is the fastest man now

[458 Italia]

What they blamed Max!!!

[Greig]

Max gets 5s penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drax]

Ha ha ha ha ha FIA

[Cheeseman]

Bit harsh on Max

[458 Italia]

What a joke decision from the stewards.

[stefa]

What they blamed Max!!!


Max gets 5s penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unbelievable!!?!?

[Cheeseman]

Carlos is getting closer to Perez

[stefa]

Carlos is getting closer to Perez


no, he is not

[drax]

Charles is loosing time to Alonso

[drax]

I think we are eating up our tires again

[drax]

Already stopping ?

[Greig]

Rear brake on fire for Carlos.....

[stefa]

Stop so soon?!?!?

[Greig]

Tear off in the brake duct forced the pit....

[drax]

Tear off we are really unlucky

[jgonzalesm6]

Slow pitstop for Sainz.

[stefa]

Pit after just 18 laps on medium?!?!?!

[stefa]

Will it ever end?!?!?!?!

[Greig]

Slow pitstop for Sainz.

Had to remove the tear off from brake duct....

[458 Italia]

Carlos driving really well.

[stefa]

CL pitted for another medium

[Greig]

CL in for softs....no idea why.

[458 Italia]

Not a bad decision to give Charles a couple of clear laps.

[Greig]

Masterclass strategy at Red Bull :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Masterclass strategy at Red Bull :-D

Lewis messed it all up. Even Brundle says Lewis should have left Max room.

[Greig]

Masterclass strategy at Red Bull :-D

Perez is still there....

[drax]

His pace was awful, loosing a ton of time to Alonso who was in front of him

[stefa]

CS is loosing 0,5 sec per lap to SP

[stefa]

Last lap LH was 1.5 sec faster than CS

[458 Italia]

I don't like it when Sky are in a good mood.

[brucewayne]

Charles really would have had a chance to win today. Thank you Norris.

[stefa]

Ferrari is good on tires for 5 laps!?!?

[stefa]

CS PIT! How many pits will it be today?!?!

[stefa]

CL is loosing time behind LN

[458 Italia]

Charles can't pass Norris even with drs.

[stefa]

CS is doing some nice laps

[Cheeseman]

Sainz' pace is not bad

[stefa]

Charles can't pass Norris even with drs.

Finally

[458 Italia]

Oh finally he does.

[458 Italia]

The Brazilian fans are weird.

[stefa]

CL pit!!!

[Cheeseman]

The Brazilian fans are weird.

It's because Lewis used to channel Senna's spirit

[jgonzalesm6]

3 pitstops for Leclerc already on lap 45......what is Ferrari doing?? Is the car eating up its tires......smh.

[stefa]

Will CS tires hold till the end?

[drax]

3 pitstops for Leclerc already on lap 45......what is Ferrari doing?? Is the car eating up its tires......smh.

Lando crashed into him on the race restart he has an extra stop

[stefa]

Unfortunately this is going to be Mercedes 1-2

[Greig]

3 pitstops for Leclerc already on lap 45......what is Ferrari doing?? Is the car eating up its tires......smh.

Maybe you missed him having to pit early when punted into the wall?

[stefa]

CS lap times are dropping significantly

[stefa]

Damn you LN!!! You ruined CL race

[ferrari1.8t]

CS lap times are dropping significantly

Yup, crofty salivating at a Merc 1-2….

[stefa]

Good call for CS stop

[Cheeseman]

Saftey car! Excellent

[ferrari1.8t]

Hopefully the Merc’s take eachother out on the restart, Carlos-Perez-Leclerc podium.

[stefa]

Hopefully the Merc’s take eachother out on the restart, Carlos-Perez-Leclerc podium.
:rotfl

[brucewayne]

Hopefully the Merc’s take eachother out on the restart, Carlos-Perez-Leclerc podium.

We shouldn’t call for other teams for an incident. This is a must podium for Sainz. No excuses.

[stefa]

God they are slow

[stefa]

WTH CS is not on the rear wing of SP?!?!?!

[stefa]

WTH CS is not on the rear wing of SP?!?!?!

Because of lapped cars

[458 Italia]

They're really hoping for a hamilton win.

[stefa]

Cmon CARLOS

[stefa]

:furious

[stefa]

VAMOS!!!

[458 Italia]

That Ferrari really has to be hustled around.

[Cheeseman]

Go and get Lewis, Sainzy

[Greig]

woooooooooooooooooooo

[stefa]

Go and get Lewis, Sainzy

That's it. 3rd and 4th

[drax]

We should swap

[brucewayne]

We should swap Carlos and Charles

[stefa]

We should swap


We should swap Carlos and Charles

It is too much to ask! It is podium place!

[drax]

Probably not going to be possible Alonso to close

[brucewayne]

Charles has to remember these days and adjust accordingly. This team is useless.

[Greig]

Give it a rest Charles.

[Greig]

Charles has to remember these days and adjust accordingly. This team is useless.

Oh behave, team comes 1st.

[Greig]

Max never gave it back lol

[drax]

Thankfully Max is a selfish idiot

[ferrari1.8t]

Give it a rest Charles.

Why? He’s been screwed all season to help Carlos. He’s right, every point counts. Ferrari owe it to him.

[brucewayne]

Oh behave, team comes 1st.

Lol. Which team? This clown team? Ferrari is not a real team.

[Greig]

Why? He’s been screwed all season to help Carlos. He’s right, every point counts. Ferrari owe it to him.

Cause 2nd in WDC means nothing to anyone really.

[gump1480]

It would have been stupid to even try the swap with Alo so close.

[Greig]

Lol. Which team? This clown team? Ferrari is not a real team.

Only clown is you.

[ferrari1.8t]

Cause 2nd in WDC means nothing to anyone really.

Means something the Charles I guess.

[drax]

I can understand not swapping it was too risky Alonso was too close

[brucewayne]

Cause 2nd in WDC means nothing to anyone really.

According to Charles and Perez it means something. Don’t try to defend them.

[stefa]

Oh behave, team comes 1st.

ALWAYS!!!!

[elnano14]

I would agree with the swap if it's happening at other races, but not this race. Haven't you guys seen the gap between Sainz and Leclerc and Alonso ? Lol it's too risky

[Greig]

Means something the Charles I guess.

Ah well, maybe he should not have made those mistakes.

[stefa]

Cause 2nd in WDC means nothing to anyone really.

Exactly! It means you lost to 1st! So, pointles

[stasera]

charles and verstappen they are in their own league

[elnano14]

If they slow down Sainz, Alonso and Max would pass both of them lol

[brucewayne]

Only clown is you.

Why are you getting personal? Pointing out the truth hurts, I get it.

If we don’t change drastically, we will lose Charles after 2024. Alonso, Vettel, Charles. The list goes on and on. Destroying drivers year after year.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ah well, maybe he should not have made those mistakes.

My how fast we have turned on Charles. You drinking the santander coolaid too now?

[Greig]

Why are you getting personal? Pointing out the truth hurts, I get it.

Truth is Charles made his own mistakes that cost him 2nd place.

[Greig]

My how fast we have turned on Charles. You drinking the santander coolaid too now?

I have only ever been a Ferrari fan, you are the one turning.....

Ferrari get same points. Alonso was right there, Max was coming what a pointless thing to even think about.

[ferrari1.8t]

Truth is Charles made his own mistakes that cost him 2nd place.

Truth is Carlos will never be a world champion, doesn’t have what it takes. I think he’s a good number 2, and I’ve said before - the faster Ferrari makes it clear to him that he’s a number 2 the faster we will win a championship.

[Greig]

Truth is Carlos will never be a world champion, doesn’t have what it takes. I think he’s a good number 2, and I’ve said before - the faster Ferrari makes it clear to him that he’s a number 2 the faster we will win a championship.

Strange take on what I said, but agreed.

[F2008]

Ah well, maybe he should not have made those mistakes.

Ah well, maybe he should have been given Sainz's strategy more often, like in Silverstone or even the day before yesterday.

[paneristi]

Why are you getting personal? Pointing out the truth hurts, I get it.

If we don’t change drastically, we will lose Charles after 2024. Alonso, Vettel, Charles. The list goes on and on. Destroying drivers year after year. 8095

[brucewayne]

I have only ever been a Ferrari fan, you are the one turning.....

Ferrari get same points. Alonso was right there, Max was coming what a pointless thing to even think about.

You think I am not a Ferrari Fan? I am since the 90s. Pointing out the truth doesn’t make me a less Ferrari Fan than you, stop with this nonsense. You are trying to cover the pathetic mistakes from Ferrari with you takes. As a fan, you should point them out and demand excellence. Ferrari stands for excellence, not average.

[Greig]

Ah well, maybe he should have been given Sainz's strategy more often, like in Silverstone or even the day before yesterday.

Charles not got his own forum?

[Greig]

You think I am not a Ferrari Fan? I am since the 90s. Pointing out the truth doesn’t make me a less Ferrari Fan then you, stop with this nonsense. You are trying to cover the pathetic mistakes from Ferrari with you takes. As a fam, you should point them out and demand excellence. Ferrari stands for excellence, not average.

I wasn't talking to you. Team has made mistakes, drivers have made mistakes. Moving Carlos over today would have been pointless and high risk with Alonso and Max.

Team comes 1st.

[nani_s23]

Agree… Alonso & max we’re too close to get a swap done by Ferrari.

Charles need to remember… come next season be ruthless & make your own strategy. I hope he does.

For me Charles was fastest on Softs… without any mistake with Norris. He would have got at least one Merc.

[brucewayne]

Truth is Charles made his own mistakes that cost him 2nd place.

The truth is Charles got screwed by his own team, more often than not, and is still in place to be 2nd in the WDC. We demand excellence as a fan of Scuderia Ferrari, if you are ok with average performances, you should be a Mclaren Fan.

[Greig]

Looks like a bit of a fight going on with fans :-(

[nani_s23]

Max turned down RB’s swap order due to Perez Monaco’s incident.

[jgonzalesm6]

WOW.....Max not helping out Checo after Max's team radio with Lambiasi.

[Greig]

The truth is Charles got screwed by his own team, more often than not, and is still in place to be 2nd in the WDC. We demand excellence as a fan of Scuderia Ferrari, if you are ok with average performances, you should be a Mclaren Fan.

So we can demand excellence from Charles and Carlos also then.....I will stay a Ferrari fan thanks. You can cheer on Charles while respecting the team will come 1st.

But I don't think we have any right to demand anything from anyone.

[Cheeseman]

Truth is Carlos will never be a world champion, doesn’t have what it takes. I think he’s a good number 2, and I’ve said before - the faster Ferrari makes it clear to him that he’s a number 2 the faster we will win a championship.

To be fair to Carlos, he got the best out of that Ferrari today. He might not be on Charles' pace all the time but he deserves the podium today

[nani_s23]

Engineer: "Max, what happened?"

Verstappen on team radio: "I gave my reasons. I stand by it."


This is how Charles too need to be. If you want to win WDC, you need to be ruthless

[nani_s23]

Checo on team radio :
"Thank you for that, guys, thank you.

"It shows who he really is."

[nani_s23]

Engineer: "Max will let you through."

PER: "Yeh, thank you for that guys."

Horner: "I'm sorry about that Checo. We'll debrief after."

PER: "Yeh, it shows who he really is!"

[jgonzalesm6]

Engineer: "Max, what happened?"

Verstappen on team radio: "I gave my reasons. I stand by it."


This is how Charles too need to be. If you want to win WDC, you need to be ruthless


Checo on team radio :
"Thank you for that, guys, thank you.

"It shows who he really is."

That wasn't cool by Max. He's won the 2022 WDC title only to help Checo out for 2nd place in the points.

[nani_s23]

If Mercedes finish 1-2 in Abu Dhabi, Ferrari must finish P3 and P5 to stop them from taking P2 in the Constructors' Championship.

[nani_s23]

That wasn't cool by Max. He's won the 2022 WDC title only to help Checo out for 2nd place in the points.

I stand by Max.

[Cheeseman]

A Merc 1-2 is a wet dream come true for Sky

[nani_s23]

Perez on Verstappen post-race:

"I think if he has two Championships, it's thanks to me."

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles Leclerc post-race team radio (P4):

Xavier: Amazing job.

Charles: What did you say?

Xavier: Amazing job.

Charles: Yeah, mamma mia.

[nani_s23]

Mercs:
Andrew Shovlin says they haven’t changed anything in the W13 - they are driving the same car since Austin

[jgonzalesm6]

A Merc 1-2 is a wet dream come true for Sky

yeah....but Lewis didn't win. Lewis is so done with Russell.

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc post-race team radio (P4):

Xavier: Amazing job.

Charles: What did you say?

Xavier: Amazing job.

Charles: Yeah, mamma mia.

There’s sarcasm in it

[brucewayne]

So we can demand excellence from Charles and Carlos also then.....I will stay a Ferrari fan thanks. You can cheer on Charles while respecting the team will come 1st.

We demand excellence from anybody, that’s why Charles needs to be the priority as he is clearly the faster and better driver. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everyone does, the greatest drivers made mistakes, Schumi, Hamilton, Senna, Alonso, Max. We demand excellence and commitment from anybody. Average performances from strategists, not working developments and new parts, good calls for tyres, these things have to be corrected as soon as possible. It’s not a problem that there are mistakes. It’s a big problem, that they can’t make good decisions nearly every weekend. If you are ok with that, you are not a Ferrari Fan. You can’t win a Championship without being committed, just look at RB. The combination RB/Max is a monster. If you think you can beat such a combination without being as commited, you are lying to yourself.

[nani_s23]

yeah....but Lewis didn't win. Lewis is so done with Russell.

It’s interesting … during these moments only relationship with your teammates come out :rotfl

Ham vs Rus .. Perez vs Max …. Charles vs Sainz

[Greig]

We demand excellence from anybody, that’s why Charles needs to be the priority as he is clearly the faster and better driver. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everyone does, the greatest drivers made mistakes, Schumi, Hamilton, Senna, Alonso, Max. We demand excellence and commitment from anybody. Average performances from strategists, not working developments and new parts, good calls for tyres, these things have to be corrected as soon as possible. It’s not a problem that there are mistakes. It’s a big problem, that they can’t make good decisions nearly every weekend. If you are ok with that, you are not a Ferrari Fan. You can’t win a Championship without being committed, just look at RB. The combination RB/Max is a monster. If you think you can beat such a combination without being as commited, you are lying to yourself.

You are not a Ferrari fan.

[jgonzalesm6]

There’s sarcasm in it

yep


It’s interesting … during these moments only relationship with your teammates come out :rotfl

Ham vs Rus .. Perez vs Max …. Charles vs Sainz

agreed

[nani_s23]

For F1 viewers it will be interesting next season with Mercs coming into the play.

Russel vs ham vs Max.

Not sure where Ferrari gonna land.

[brucewayne]

You are not a Ferrari fan.

You should go for Mclaren, as you seem to be ok with average performances.

[Greig]

You should go for Mclaren, as you seem to be ok with average performances.

You would support them if Charles was there.

[nani_s23]

Daniel Riccardo became mediocre driver after RB exit. He’s crashing into others all the time

[brucewayne]

You would support them if Charles was there.

I will never support any other driver than Ferrari drivers. I didn’t even support Schumi after his comeback, and Schumi is everything for any Ferrari Fan. You should know that, unless you are more of a Fan of spanish drivers or something else. It seems your priority isn’t to get on the top again, your priority seems to be that spanish drivers finish at the front. So much for that.

[nani_s23]

Helmut Marko said that internally they clarified everything and that Max will do everything in Abu Dhabi that Checo gets P2 in the championship. He didn‘t want to say more.

Charles is in P2 level in points with Perez.
Sainz is in P6 … 6 pts behind Hamilton.

If not DNF’s & mistakes.. both would have been P2&P3 … constructors title would have been close with RB.

[Greig]

I will never support any other driver than Ferrari drivers. I didn’t even support Schumi after his comeback, and Schumi is everything for any Ferrari Fan. You should know that, unless you are more of a Fan of spanish drivers or something else. It seems your priority isn’t to get on the top again, your priority seems to be that spanish drivers finish at the front. So much for that.

Yes that is right, I became a Ferrari fan due to Spanish drivers, you really are clever :-D

Why is P2 so important for Charles to you? How is it more important to you than Carlos fighting with Lewis for P5?

[nani_s23]

Fernando Alonso started from P18 and finished P5, ahead of the two Red Bull's - even with a very slow stop.

They gave DOD go Lewis Hamilton… don’t know why. But it should be either Charles or Alonso

[brucewayne]

Yes that is right, I became a Ferrari fan due to Spanish drivers, you really are clever :-D

Why is P2 so important for Charles to you? How is it more important to you than Carlos fighting with Lewis for P5?

Charles is our only way for a Championship in the future. We have to be all in, just like RB is all in with Max. After the team screwed him over on many weekends this year, it will be a little boost for him if he finishes 2nd. To be able to beat RB/Max, you have to be as commited as them. This year we were way to weak, not committed and not rutheless enough. We need thia commitment, just like in the past with Jean Todt. He alway did what needed to be done, and we are in 2022 and still aren’t able to do what is necessary after all these years.

[brucewayne]

Fernando Alonso started from P18 and finished P5, ahead of the two Red Bull's - even with a very slow stop.

They gave DOD go Lewis Hamilton… don’t know why. But it should be either Charles or Alonso

Seems odd to be honest. I think Alonso would have deserved it today.

[Greig]

Charles is our only way for a Championship in the future. We have to be all in, just like RB is all in with Max. After the team screwed him over on many weekends this year, it will be a little boost for him if he finishes 2nd. To be able to beat RB/Max, you have to be as commited as them. This year we were way to weak, not committed and not rutheless enough. We need thia commitment, just like in the past with Jean Todt. He alway did what needed to be done, and we are in 2022 and still aren’t able to do what is necessary after all these years.

Having the faster car is the way to the championship, with or without Charles or Carlos.

[jgonzalesm6]

Having the faster car is the way to the championship, with or without Charles or Carlos.

No it's not. Where have you been. You need a faster car, reliability, and a good pit crew and pit wall.

[Greig]

No it's not. Where have you been. You need a faster car, reliability, and a good pit crew and pit wall.

Strategy is very easy when you have the faster car.

Red Bull masterclass today right? :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Strategy is very easy when you have the faster car.



:roll

You're using RedBull or Mercedes as an example? It's gonna take YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRRS for Ferrari to reach that caliber of racing and winning.

[Greig]

:roll

You're using RedBull or Mercedes as an example? It's gonna take YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRRS for Ferrari reach that caliber of racing and winning.

Having the faster car makes your strategy much easier, you are not seeking out a strategy to beat a faster car. Are you saying otherwise?

[jgonzalesm6]

Having the faster car makes your strategy much easier, you are not seeking out a strategy to beat a faster car. Are you saying otherwise?

You're delusional as usual. Ferrari HAD the faster car and still could not convert a 1-2 finish due to reliability, driver errors, pit wall strategy or pit crew mess ups.

[Schumiklub]

People, what are we fighting over? P3 and P4 in the race? Being P2 in the WDC? It's all worthless. P1 is what matters, and we've done everything wrong this season, from in-season development over strategy to driver errors. P2 or P3 in the WDC it really doesn't matter.

[Greig]

You're delusional as usual. Ferrari HAD the faster car and still could not convert a 1-2 finish due to reliability, driver errors, pit wall strategy or pit crew mess ups.

We did have a 1-2 finish though, maybe you forgot :-D

[brucewayne]

Having the faster car makes your strategy much easier, you are not seeking out a strategy to beat a faster car. Are you saying otherwise?

That’s not wrong, but you are still a little naive. We are in a budget cap era, differences between cars won’t be as big as in the past. There will be nuances between teams in the future, and to competitive you have to use your resources wisely. Having the fastest car won’t be enough, you have to be on point on everything. RB will use all theirs on Max, if we don’t do the same, we won’t be able to beat them. This isn’t the F1 of the past. We have to adjust asap.

[brucewayne]

We did have a 1-2 finish though, maybe you forgot :-D

As a Scuderia Fan, you should want more finishes like that, not just one.

[Cheeseman]

Unfortunately, being a Ferrari fan is like having a brother in jail. You love him but you don't want to talk about him

[stasera]

I'm desperate for this team, i dont have any hope for its championship. the best way is to support drivers. My fav.s alonso and leclerc. i hope he can be a champion one day, but if he keeps staying in SF, he can't win anything.

[jgonzalesm6]

There is a 19 point difference between Ferrari and Mercedes for the WCC title after the Interlagos race. The battle for 2nd in the WCC is that close.

[nani_s23]

Strategy is very easy when you have the faster car.

Red Bull masterclass today right? :-D

Silverstone, Monaco … we had fastest car what’s the result due to strategy?

[nani_s23]

Max: "I don't want to talk about the reasons. We have now sat together and explained everything, why I didn't do it. In the end, you always have to move on. If he [Checo] needs help in Abu Dhabi then I will do that."

What can he do? If he takes the pole & starting on P1?

[stefa]

Having the faster car is the way to the championship, with or without Charles or Carlos.

Completely agree with you. Just one more thing. No pit stop blunders!

[nani_s23]

Perez deliberately crashed in qualifying in Monaco and later admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner. Max Verstappen has not forgotten that."

[nani_s23]

Completely agree with you. Just one more thing. No pit stop blunders!

Having fastest car is not only the one. Pit stops + strategy calls is more important.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Perez deliberately crashed in qualifying in Monaco and later admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner. Max Verstappen has not forgotten that."


We don't know if that's true or not, even if it is, I find funny it was not resolved inside the team months ago. Max was wrong, he should have put his team interests above his "revenge", assuming all this it's true anyway.


Leclerc was a man-child yesterday too.

[samboozik]

There is a 19 point difference between Ferrari and Mercedes for the WCC title after the Interlagos race. The battle for 2nd in the WCC is that close.

My heart says: Let Mercedes take P2 as it gives us more time in the wind tunnel for next year.
My brain asks: Would we take any advantage even if we had double their time in the wind tunnel?

The sad reality :-s

[nani_s23]

My heart says: Let Mercedes take P2 as it gives us more time in the wind tunnel for next year.
My brain asks: Would we take any advantage even if we had double their time in the wind tunnel?

The sad reality :-s

I don’t buy this wind tunnel time anymore.

Ferrari had plenty of time for 2022. Although they got it right for 1st part of the season.
Our in season development once again proved to be worry.

[Greig]

Silverstone, Monaco … we had fastest car what’s the result due to strategy?

Neither of those races were straight forward, but we won in Silverstone and 2nd in Monaco.

[nani_s23]

Neither of those races were straight forward, but we won in Silverstone and 2nd in Monaco.

Monaco & Silverstone should have been easy 1-2 finish.

Common Greg, accept the fact. Don’t defend like crazy.

[Greig]

Monaco & Silverstone should have been easy 1-2 finish.

Common Greg, accept the fact. Don’t defend like crazy.

Silverstone yes we messed up but due to SC many others have done the same, Max and Charles would say they got it wrong in Monaco, while Checo and Carlos would say they got it right. Still does not change things really, when you have the faster car then your strategy options are easier.

[nani_s23]

Leclerc on his incident with Norris:

"Obviously, I know he is not this type of guy, but for some reason today he was very aggressive, and also yesterday with Carlos."

As I said earlier… these mclaren guys let others pass easily. But when they see Red cars… they throw themselves in somehow.

[samboozik]

I don’t buy this wind tunnel time anymore.

Ferrari had plenty of time for 2022. Although they got it right for 1st part of the season.
Our in season development once again proved to be worry.

That's why I'm asking even if we had plenty of time would we get over our problems?
Also don't forget TD39 which knowing it would hurt us we accepted it gladly without a fight.
We had a very good car until this TD was introduced and everything went down.
I don't believe we lost in the development race, it was this TD which hurt us and brought the Mercs right into the mix.

[racingbradley]

Having fastest car is not only the one. Pit stops + strategy calls is more important.

Agree Michael won with cars that were not the fastest on the grid eg his first two championships:-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Perez deliberately crashed in qualifying in Monaco and later admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner. Max Verstappen has not forgotten that."


We don't know if that's true or not, even if it is, I find funny it was not resolved inside the team months ago. Max was wrong, he should have put his team interests above his "revenge", assuming all this it's true anyway.


Leclerc was a man-child yesterday too.

I've seen the telemetry where Checo in Monaco deliberately crashed in Monaco compared to his previous lap. He gives way more throttle at the Portier turn than in the previous lap causing Checo to spin and crash.

[Portago]

We demand excellence from anybody, that’s why Charles needs to be the priority as he is clearly the faster and better driver. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everyone does, the greatest drivers made mistakes, Schumi, Hamilton, Senna, Alonso, Max. We demand excellence and commitment from anybody. Average performances from strategists, not working developments and new parts, good calls for tyres, these things have to be corrected as soon as possible. It’s not a problem that there are mistakes. It’s a big problem, that they can’t make good decisions nearly every weekend. If you are ok with that, you are not a Ferrari Fan. You can’t win a Championship without being committed, just look at RB. The combination RB/Max is a monster. If you think you can beat such a combination without being as commited, you are lying to yourself.

Charles has only been the better driver of the pair this season. He was beaten by Sainz last season.

So in my book they are very much on par.

[Portago]

Unfortunately, being a Ferrari fan is like having a brother in jail. You love him but you don't want to talk about him

That has to be the quote of the day :lol

[wisepie]

I was quite relieved to get an unexpected P3/4 after Charles had his coming-together with Norris and it was a great recovery drive. Carlos did a great job too, to get that result after all the dramas of earlier in the race and thanks in part to the SC periods, we managed to salvage something. There weren't even any mess-ups in the pits with all those stops. I understand why the team wouldn't let Charles pass Carlos for P3, Alonso and Max were bearing down on them both. As for the Merc 1-2, the TD39 was brought in to help them and no-one else, that was a horror story for me. The drivers all seem totally knackered and now have to face another cross-Continent journey before the last throw of the dice in Abu Dhabi, no wonder they're all getting a bit petulant.

[brucewayne]

Charles has only been the better driver of the pair this season. He was beaten by Sainz last season.

So in my book they are very much on par.

You should check your book again, as Charles was the better driver last year already.

This year it’s not even close and if the rumours from today are true, upper management seems to understand now slowly.

[aroutis]

You should check your book again, as Charles was the better driver last year already.

This year it’s not even close and if the rumours from today are true, upper management seems to understand now slowly.

Worry not, it's not just today, Elkaan has been adamant bout who the #1 is. And I am certain that either Binotto will fall in line or he 'll be in for a rather unpleasant surprise (no, he won't be fired, but will get someone next to him, for sure.).

[Hornet]

I can see where Charles' coming from. These competitive drivers need something to fight for, even if it's just P2 in the driver standing. And it is a good thing, rather than having a driver that just gives up on everything the moment the title race is over.

[racingbradley]

I can see where Charles' coming from. These competitive drivers need something to fight for, even if it's just P2 in the driver standing. And it is a good thing, rather than having a driver that just gives up on everything the moment the title race is over.

Agree

[WS6TransAm01]

Didn't watch live since there is no point and had better things to do.

Overall a total crap show.

Lando is a shmuck for hitting Charles.

Lou-Lou is a schmuck for hitting Max.

Chares put on a great show coming from the back. Can't believe that car kept going after that hit.

Of the teams that matter; Merc are the best at in-season development, Ferrari is the worst as usual.


Exactly! It means you lost to 1st! So, pointles

2nd place is first loser. Who cares? "If you're not first, you're last"


Why are you getting personal? Pointing out the truth hurts, I get it.

If we don’t change drastically, we will lose Charles after 2024. Alonso, Vettel, Charles. The list goes on and on. Destroying drivers year after year.

Because that's his MO. He gets proven wrong, he bashes you, you respond, he erases your post and bans you. Petulant child.


Engineer: "Max, what happened?"

Verstappen on team radio: "I gave my reasons. I stand by it."


This is how Charles too need to be. If you want to win WDC, you need to be ruthless

Bingo! If you want to be champion you give no quarter to anyone.


Checo on team radio :
"Thank you for that, guys, thank you.

"It shows who he really is."

Yeah, a winner. A double world champion. What are you Checo? Supporting cast. Sit down and shut up and be glad you're not in the Williams.

[wisepie]

I can see where Charles' coming from. These competitive drivers need something to fight for, even if it's just P2 in the driver standing. And it is a good thing, rather than having a driver that just gives up on everything the moment the title race is over.

Quite agree, Hornet, although it has been pretty evident these past few races just how frustrated Charles has become after his season disintegrated so spectacularly and they still can't get things right. At least they got him back the race yesterday and what looked like another disaster for him turned into a well-earned P4. So he never gave up.

[JPZ]

I can see where Charles' coming from. These competitive drivers need something to fight for, even if it's just P2 in the driver standing. And it is a good thing, rather than having a driver that just gives up on everything the moment the title race is over.

Agreed.

[FerrariF60]

Didn't watch live since there is no point and had better things to do.

Overall a total crap show.

Lando is a shmuck for hitting Charles.

Lou-Lou is a schmuck for hitting Max.

Chares put on a great show coming from the back. Can't believe that car kept going after that hit.

Of the teams that matter; Merc are the best at in-season development, Ferrari is the worst as usual.



2nd place is first loser. Who cares? "If you're not first, you're last"



Because that's his MO. He gets proven wrong, he bashes you, you respond, he erases your post and bans you. Petulant child.



Bingo! If you want to be champion you give no quarter to anyone.



Yeah, a winner. A double world champion. What are you Checo? Supporting cast. Sit down and shut up and be glad you're not in the Williams.

Could not agree more with what you’ve said.....in a nutshell SPOT ON

[stefa]

Didn't watch live since there is no point and had better things to do.

Overall a total crap show.

Lando is a shmuck for hitting Charles.

Lou-Lou is a schmuck for hitting Max.

Chares put on a great show coming from the back. Can't believe that car kept going after that hit.

Of the teams that matter; Merc are the best at in-season development, Ferrari is the worst as usual.



2nd place is first loser. Who cares? "If you're not first, you're last"



Because that's his MO. He gets proven wrong, he bashes you, you respond, he erases your post and bans you. Petulant child.



Bingo! If you want to be champion you give no quarter to anyone.



Yeah, a winner. A double world champion. What are you Checo? Supporting cast. Sit down and shut up and be glad you're not in the Williams.

What can I say.... :clap

[Bikus]

Leclerc on his incident with Norris:

"Obviously, I know he is not this type of guy, but for some reason today he was very aggressive, and also yesterday with Carlos."

As I said earlier… these mclaren guys let others pass easily. But when they see Red cars… they throw themselves in somehow.

What's wrong ? It is completely normal behavior ...for McLaren .:roll:lol

[stasera]

Leclerc on his incident with Norris:

"Obviously, I know he is not this type of guy, but for some reason today he was very aggressive, and also yesterday with Carlos."

As I said earlier… these mclaren guys let others pass easily. But when they see Red cars… they throw themselves in somehow.

Good to see that Leclerc is defending his team-mate, We don't see this often in other teams. it's impressive

[Brembo]

When Shumy got home @ Merc he went 0 for 3 years! Was it the car? Or lack of Todt , Ross and add Rubens? It's hard to just "Let him pass" with zero wins with his home team. Even 2010 @ Hungary trying to kill Rubens into a concrete wall he still came in behind Rubens at the finish! Like it or not , Sr Lewis letting Russell win his 1st is an honorable way to treat your team mate! Had it been between Max and Russell ; Russell would have been DNF ed !