2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Race

[stefa]

18 more minutes

[stefa]

Let's try and finish strong 2nd with CL and haul as much as possible points with OB

[FerrariF60]

Let's try and finish strong 2nd with CL and haul as much as possible points with OB

I’m with you on this let’s hope for a good race from both our drivers

[stefa]

I’m with you on this let’s hope for a good race from both our drivers
:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl :ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[tifosi1993]

Let's see the true pace of the SF24 in race stint. I think it will be good.

[jgonzalesm6]

Bearmans aggressive....me likey.

[elnano14]

P3 already

[stefa]

And that is ciao to 2nd place

[drax]

We don’t have a chance against the Bulls against the Bulls

[tifosi1993]

Charles should stay in the DRS and follow him. He doesn't have anyone to worry about behind.

[stefa]

We don’t have a chance against the Bulls against the Bulls

Not even 0,001%

[tifosi1993]

No K1 for Charles, so doesn't have the highest engine mode available to him right now

[elnano14]

Leclerc still losing too much time in sector 1, always 0.2-0.4s per lap

[FerrariF60]

We’re so slow on the straights…

[FerrariF60]

Did we de tune our engines?

[stefa]

LS?!?!?!

[jgonzalesm6]

Way to go Stroll!!...he's out.

[FerrariF60]

Way to go Stroll!!...he's out.

Lol

[stefa]

What is going on with jump start for LN?!?!?!

[FerrariF60]

What is going on with jump start for LN?!?!?!

Nothing yet

[tifosi1993]

Yeah, I don't get it. Norris jumps the start but they are gonna investigate him after the race. Lazy.

[tifosi1993]

Lol

"Future World Champion" (According to Alonso)

[FerrariF60]

"Future World Champion" (According to Alonso)

Lmao even more

[elnano14]

Leclerc need to overtake Hamilton soon

[tifosi1993]

We are slow on the straight

[PURE PASSION]

0unfortunately we are not faster then the others ( not redbull

[stefa]

LN not a jump start?!?!? What a joke!?!?!?

[paolo lalli]

It's an fia stunt you can't have redbull leading every lap.The sport as we know it currently is one way redbull traffic.

[FerrariF60]

We are slow on the straight

WAY TOO SLOW….why, engine management?

[stefa]

Red Bull can/will win all races

[PURE PASSION]

We cant catch Perez who has limited pace from Norris with older mediums !!!!!
We can forget about the 5 s . Perez will finish way more then that

[jgonzalesm6]

Perez has a 5 sec. timed penalty.

Bearman in the points on lap 14.....nice this kid.

[stefa]

Both Red Bull cars are 1 sec faster than CL

[stefa]

We cant catch Perez who has limited pace from Norris with older mediums !!!!!
We can forget about the 5 s . Perez will finish way more then that

Even with 10 sec penalty we would not be in that time

[FerrariF60]

Red Bull can/will win all races

Yup, we’re too #$$#@$ SLOW

[elnano14]

Sector 1 is killing us, I don't know what is the problem with this car in this sector
Both Red Bull are all 0.4-0.5s faster than Leclerc in sector 1 alone

[FerrariF60]

Sector 1 is killing us, I don't know what is the problem with this car in this sector
Both Red Bull are all 0.4-0.5s faster than Leclerc in sector 1 alone

Our engine sucks mate or it’s been de tuned for reliability concerns

[tifosi1993]

Medium is a much better tyre

[elnano14]

Even Lando with old af mediums still 0.3s faster than Leclerc in sector 1 ALONE

[drax]

P3 again best we can do

[drax]

Oliver doing an amazing job so far

[patrese86]

P3 is the best we can do but we are clearly second best. Is disheartening but at the same time it could be worse. I'm not sure anyone expected red bull to find so much time with the RB20 compared to RB19

[FerrariF60]

P3 again best we can do

Yup all season long
We’re no match for red fools by a long shot

[tifosi1993]

Looking good so far

[drax]

Hopefully we can claw back something in the future with decent updates

[FerrariF60]

Hopefully we can claw back something in the future with decent updates

That is our ONLY HOPE MATE

[stefa]

Yup all season long
We’re no match for red fools by a long shot

No one is! They are in league of their own!

[FerrariF60]

We’re dropping like a stone from Perez…and max is on another planet

[samboozik]

Hopefully we can claw back something in the future with decent updates

Well as much as I would love it to happen, I don't think you can close such a gap with updates, and it is not like redbull are not gonna update their car. I think it will be the same till 2026.

[drax]

I think Charles is already managing the race no need to push, we can’t catch Perez

[tifosi1993]

Only Red Bull and us can do 1"32. But Red Bull doing it more.

[stefa]

As I said even with 10 sec penalty for SP, he would be in front. What scares me a lot is that this is not even Red Bull maximum!!!

[patrese86]

Hopefully we can claw back something in the future with decent updates

We already know RB are bringing a major evolution to their car after 4 races. I think we just have to try to ignore them and maximise what we have in the pipeline.

What other regs do we have in 2026 besides engine? Engine performance seems so marginal that Red Bull would have to make a major miss-step in order to go backwards.

[tifosi1993]

Really impressed with Beaman. Kid is quick.

[PURE PASSION]

0.2 - 0.3 / lap slower then RedBull . OK what can we do. Lets wait for the upgrades , IF we can cut a bit of that. ( not saying to catch them)

[stefa]

0.2 - 0.3 / lap slower then RedBull . OK what can we do. Lets wait for the upgrades , IF we can cut a bit of that. ( not saying to catch them)

Agree, but Red Bill will also bring upgrades.... And that scares me

[Schumiklub]

Oliver is impressive, he's matching Charles on pace.

[DJTaurus]

Oliver is impressive, he's matching Charles on pace.

Lec is managing lots of laps ago….

[jgonzalesm6]

Bearman gets my DoD vote. Nice job kid.

[drax]

I think p7 is possible

[tifosi1993]

Charles does his best lap: 1"31.931

[tifosi1993]

Come on Olli Bearman!

[stefa]

CL FL

[drax]

Charles fastest Lap and Ollie p7

[tifosi1993]

Charles P3 with the FL

Beaman P7 on his debut. What a drive. :clap

[arno]

Fastest lap Charles!! 🤙
Andiamo!

[Kyss4k]

Charles fastest lap on the last lap? Heh? Why didn't we at least try to push Perez as he had 5sec penalty? Nevermind... Podium and great job from Mr. Bear!

[patrese86]

Best we could do barring issues with the RB!

Good effort all round!

[tifosi1993]

I really don't understand why Ferrari signed Hamilton tbh.

It should be BEARMAN

[Tifoso Svedese]

Didn't watch due to Saudi + Firstappen but a massively good job by Oliver under very difficult circumstances. Charles did his job but it's clear the car needs a lot more downforce and quickly.

Not going to buy a subscription for the equivalent of 65 USD/month at this point for sure. Might as well throw the money into the Baltic Sea instead...

[Aviamata]

Bearman was impressove
Charles consistent P3

As i predicted before this season is gonna look like 2020 but instead of HAM BOT VER we have VER PER LEC now

[tifosi1993]

Charles said on the radio that he struggled with consistency during the middle stint. They are gonna check it later.

[FerrariF60]

I really don't understand why Ferrari signed Hamilton tbh.

It should be BEARMAN

Politics mate and of course PR

[Kyss4k]

I really don't understand why Ferrari signed Hamilton tbh.

It should be BEARMAN

Money, publicity and marketing. Ferrari gained so much by having Hamilton.

[PURE PASSION]

Quite good result .
Lec's fastest lap saw that we have the speed. Ves also tried to set the FL byt come 0.1 sort. Not saying that we are faster , but it looks to me that , maybe we run more conservative on the race ??? Maybe from what happened to Hul ???
Lets see what will come next .
Bearman was FANTASTIC !!!!!!

[Aviamata]

Quite good result .
Lec's fastest lap saw that we have the speed. Ves also tried to set the FL byt come 0.1 sort. Not saying that we are faster , but it looks to me that , maybe we run more conservative on the race ??? Maybe from what happened to Hul ???
Lets see what will come next .
Bearman was FANTASTIC !!!!!!

I think we should be faster with lower drag but then the degradation could be a lot worse then

[tifosi1993]

https://i.ibb.co/hCScJDd/Screenshot-2024-03-10-003057.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/N28yJkR/Screenshot-2024-03-10-003114.jpg

[jgonzalesm6]

Politics mate and of course PR


Money, publicity and marketing. Ferrari gained so much by having Hamilton.

+1

Signing Hamilton was not to win races. I've said this before.

[FerrariF60]

+1

Signing Hamilton was not to win races. I've said this before.

100%

[tifosi1993]

Politics mate and of course PR

If it brings Newey/few other big names to Ferrari, then I'm all for it. But if not, then I don't understand.

I like Lewis and always paid respect to his immense talent. But he's old and not getting younger. Bearman on the other hand is young and extremely talented.

So, yeah. I know Lewis signing Ferrari has destabilized F1 paddock but it's not making Ferrari stronger, but if he attracts some good names, then ok.

[tifosi1993]

So at the end of day we finished 18.639 seconds behind Max and only 4.996 seconds behind Checo (with his 5 seconds penalty).

People can say whatever they like, but this is a massive improvement. Considering how much poor we were here last year.

Incredible job by the Scuderia. But we need to bring some upgrades asap and close the gap to the Red Bull.

[patrese86]

If it brings Newey/few other big names to Ferrari, then I'm all for it. But if not, then I don't understand.

I like Lewis and always paid respect to his immense talent. But he's old and not getting younger. Bearman on the other hand is young and extremely talented.

So, yeah. I know Lewis signing Ferrari has destabilized F1 paddock but it's not making Ferrari stronger, but if he attracts some good names, then ok.
It definitely seems like Russell has Hamilton's number now. However I think looking at the bigger picture like you say with Hamilton, he can bring more than just what he does behind the wheel, which is Mercedes personnel and also Red Bull because they are UK based and we have a British driver next season will influence decisions. Clearly Fred wants the top talent from rival teams and he's getting the O.K to go and get them

[PURE PASSION]

Personally i have the feeling that Ham is not coming just as a driver to try and get the championship with Ferrari. Of corse if the opportunity arises he will take it no questions asked. BUT the "deal" ,especially, from Vasseur prospective is the "package" that comes with Ham , and the PR things , the followers and social , the team value etc. As for the driver prospective , im pretty sure that the team still consider Lec to be their driver to try and win the championship .

[patrese86]

Personally i have the feeling that Ham is not coming just as a driver to try and get the championship with Ferrari. Of corse if the opportunity arises he will take it no questions asked. BUT the "deal" ,especially, from Vasseur prospective is the "package" that comes with Ham , and the PR things , the followers and social , the team value etc. As for the driver prospective , im pretty sure that the team still consider Lec to be their driver to try and win the championship .

Unfortunately Lewis' social following is an extreme collection of strange people who prioritise simping over the team, it's not something you really want to be associated with but it is what it is

[tifosi1993]

Personally i have the feeling that Ham is not coming just as a driver to try and get the championship with Ferrari. Of corse if the opportunity arises he will take it no questions asked. BUT the "deal" ,especially, from Vasseur prospective is the "package" that comes with Ham , and the PR things , the followers and social , the team value etc. As for the driver prospective , im pretty sure that the team still consider Lec to be their driver to try and win the championship .

Lewis will not touch Charles. He's way past his prime and doesn't have that raw pace he once had.

Alonso is also the same, but he has Stroll as his teammate instead of someone like Russell, so he's looking better than he actually his.

[nani_s23]

Great effort by Oliver Bearmen - P7 on debut & good drive by Leclerc-P3 to bring some points.

I guess Ferrari were conservative going with loaded set up to protect the tyres. In a way it’s giving advantage over rest of the pack but we are loosing top speed over RB whenever leclerc qualifies front row it’s a problem. He can neither attack nor defend.

I assume engineers in the factory are trying to understand strength & weakness of the car as it’s just 2nd race of the season before they bring up upgrades which improves performance & take fight with Perez atleast.

[Aviamata]

So at the end of day we finished 18.639 seconds behind Max and only 4.996 seconds behind Checo (with his 5 seconds penalty).

People can say whatever they like, but this is a massive improvement. Considering how much poor we were here last year.

Incredible job by the Scuderia. But we need to bring some upgrades asap and close the gap to the Red Bull.

How is the pace compare to RB ? I feel like the car is very good in long run but it just lacking the ultimate speed

[tifosi1993]

So there are few modes Ferrari use during the race.

Mode: race, the most optimized mode for the race.

Mode: TS, probably low power mode but I'm not sure.

K1: Probably the overtaking mode, aka the highest power band mode.

K2: Not as powerful as the K1, but better than mode race.

Mode: ABS for tyres, probably reduces the wheel spin and improves tyre life.

Engine 4 and Torque 4: the lowest power mode available.

Whenever Charles used mode: race, he's laptimes were very good. Especially in the first two sectors. But most of the race he didn't bother with it, probably cause Perez is long gone and it would push the engine, plus he had no one to challenge him from behind.

He never used K1 once, only used K2 after during the restart.

[jgonzalesm6]

So Mercedes has Kimi Antonelli as their rookie driver whom is up-and-coming.

Ferrari has Ollie Bearman as their rookie driver.

Advantage Ferrari I say.

[nani_s23]

Only RB can run with such set up & still able to produce high top speed. None others can do that.

[tifosi1993]

How is the pace compare to RB ? I feel like the car is very good in long run but it just lacking the ultimate speed

Not lacking the ultimate pace, lacking consistency. They can consistently do fast lap times throughout the whole race, we can match them, but only at certain points.

[SilverSpeed]

Great result today, I'm happy.
Much improvement over 2023.
Charles P3 and podium and Bearman DoD!
:thumb

[Tifoso Svedese]

Signing Oliver for 2025 would be way too early, but the smarter thing if Ferrari believed in him would be to give Sainz a lucrative two-year contract he couldn't turn down but with an out for the team after 2025. The mental pressure to go up against Charles week in and out is a bit too much for any teenage driver and it's of course better to ease him into the position.

That being said, the door will only be open for 2027 now and hopefully he's done enough for a more compliant Haas leadership give him a drive for next year to prove himself. It's been such a waste to have two drivers in their 30s at the farm team all because of the most stale recruitment policy of any team in F1 history over there.

[paolo lalli]

The winner today is Oliver Bearmam he gets my vote.

[PURE PASSION]

Not lacking the ultimate pace, lacking consistency. They can consistently do fast lap times throughout the whole race, we can match them, but only at certain points.

ΤHe thing is : it has to do with temperatures, tire management , aerodymanamic balance ???? Is it fixable ??
The way is see it , is that Max/RBR are not light-years ahead on pure pace . Its their consistency that gives them their superiority ( not downsize their accomplishments, its HUGE what they can do)
Its like he can drive 95-98% in every race ,every lap , whilw the others something like 70-90 . If Lec could drive 95-98 of the SF-24 every lap , even now the gap would not be that much ( Ves still ahead ) , ON this front ( pure pace , on race ,not qualy pace like last year ) we can turn things around . BUT the mega question is , can we make the car consistent in VES/RBR levels ????!!!! THis is the difficult task !!!

[jgonzalesm6]

ΤHe thing is : it has to do with temperatures, tire management , aerodymanamic balance ???? Is it fixable ??
The way is see it , is that Max/RBR are not light-years ahead on pure pace . Its their consistency that gives them their superiority ( not downsize their accomplishments, its HUGE what they can do)
Its like he can drive 95-98% in every race ,every lap , whilw the others something like 70-90 . If Lec could drive 95-98 of the SF-24 every lap , even now the gap would not be that much ( Ves still ahead ) , ON this front ( pure pace , on race ,not qualy pace like last year ) we can turn things around . BUT the mega question is , can we make the car consistent in VES/RBR levels ????!!!! THis is the difficult task !!!

Ferrari is great in quali pace.

Ferrari did improve from last years car when it comes to race pace.

However, Max and Perez will eventually pass Leclerc on true race pace and that's where the gap builds....Max is like .5 sec a lap and Perez is like .3 seconds a lap.

Last year Max could pull a second a lap at the start.

Ferrari still needs a ways to go to build the gap to RB.

[ntukza]

If it brings Newey/few other big names to Ferrari, then I'm all for it. But if not, then I don't understand.

I like Lewis and always paid respect to his immense talent. But he's old and not getting younger. Bearman on the other hand is young and extremely talented.

So, yeah. I know Lewis signing Ferrari has destabilized F1 paddock but it's not making Ferrari stronger, but if he attracts some good names, then ok.

Someone please help me understand. How/why would Hamilton attract big names? Why wouldn't those names come to Ferrari because of Leclerc for instance, or Vred, or even simply because of Ferrari? Why would they come because of Hamilton specifically? Why would an engineer or designer join a team because of a driver, who's not even at the top of the current class ?

[Greig]

Someone please help me understand. How/why would Hamilton attract big names? Why wouldn't those names come to Ferrari because of Leclerc for instance, or Vred, or even simply because of Ferrari? Why would they come because of Hamilton specifically? Why would an engineer or designer join a team because of a driver, who's not even at the top of the current class ?

You don't see why a 7 times champ has more pulling power than Charles? are you serious? Newey is on record saying he regrets not working with Lewis or Fernando.

Do you remember Schumacher coming to Ferrari and making them more appealing to others?

[paolo lalli]

You need flo.wers to attract �� bees.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari are not using there full power mode yet it will be used at track specific circuits.I believe redbull have shown there playing cards in respect to power.i have never been a fan of street circuits.Give me a proper racing track any day .The street circuits are just publicity and show.Bring on monza baby now we are talking.

[jgonzalesm6]

2 races in 2024 and:

1) Ollie Bearman is #10 in the WDC standings.
2) Ollie Bearman has 6pts in the WDC standings and Hamilton has 8pts(2 races) and Hamilton is #9 in the WDC standings.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari needs to improve traction & its performance in high speed corners. Then we can compete with RB.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari needs to improve traction & its performance in high speed corners. Then we can compete with RB.

I think both are fine when the tyres are up to temperature and within their optimal window. The last corner of the Saudi track is a pure traction zone and the SF24 was very strong there, it allowed Charles to overtake Lewis even when the latter had greater top speed. The car was also very strong in the first sector when Charles was really going for it.

The SF24 simply takes more time to heat up its tyres. I think the thing we need the most to compete with Red Bull is aero efficiency. We need to improve our rear downforce and reduce drag.

[ntukza]

You don't see why a 7 times champ has more pulling power than Charles? are you serious? Newey is on record saying he regrets not working with Lewis or Fernando.

Do you remember Schumacher coming to Ferrari and making them more appealing to others?

Did you know that it's possible to answer a question without being combative or condescending? Not everything has to be a show of aggression or superiority.

I can see why a 7 x WDC can have pulling power with fans and sponsors, not necessarily with engineers and designers, especially not after his peak.

Newey said that while Lewis and Fernando were still racing, meaning the opportunity to work with them still existed. So why did he refer to the idea of working with them in past tense? Possibly because he was speaking in hindsight about a younger Fernando and Lewis with the potential for massive success still in front of them. It doesn't necessarily mean he wishes to work with them now. If it did, he could have gone to Fernando at Honda, Alpine, Aston Martin, or Lewis at Merc.

Schumacher was in good form when he moved to Ferrari and the bulk of his success was still ahead of him. In fact, Schumacher's example supports my suggestion about Leclerc. There were more accomplished drivers than Schumacher at the time yet a younger talent with a future ahead of him had more pulling power on engineers and designers than the established drivers. Did Schumacher have pulling power on engineers and designers when he (7 x WDC) went to Merc in the twilight of his career?

I'm afraid your response was not very useful. Anyone else have an answer please?

[ntukza]

Ferrari are not using there full power mode yet it will be used at track specific circuits.I believe redbull have shown there playing cards in respect to power.i have never been a fan of street circuits.Give me a proper racing track any day .The street circuits are just publicity and show.Bring on monza baby now we are talking.

Red Bull showing their full hand is working very well for them. They are winning races. Us using our full power at specific circuits only is concerning, to be honest.

[Greig]

Did you know that it's possible to answer a question without being combative or condescending? Not everything has to be a show of aggression or superiority.

I can see why a 7 x WDC can have pulling power with fans and sponsors, not necessarily with engineers and designers, especially not after his peak.

Newey said that while Lewis and Fernando were still racing, meaning the opportunity to work with them still existed. So why did he refer to the idea of working with them in past tense? Possibly because he was speaking in hindsight about a younger Fernando and Lewis with the potential for massive success still in front of them. It doesn't necessarily mean he wishes to work with them now. If it did, he could have gone to Fernando at Honda, Alpine, Aston Martin, or Lewis at Merc.

Schumacher was in good form when he moved to Ferrari and the bulk of his success was still ahead of him. In fact, Schumacher's example supports my suggestion about Leclerc. There were more accomplished drivers than Schumacher at the time yet a younger talent with a future ahead of him had more pulling power on engineers and designers than the established drivers. Did Schumacher have pulling power on engineers and designers when he (7 x WDC) went to Merc in the twilight of his career?

I'm afraid your response was not very useful. Anyone else have an answer please?

As for Schumacher at Merc, well yes - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-michael-schumacher-founding-father-of-mercedes-f1-success-5282329/5282329/

Leclerc is not as big a name as Lewis, like it or not. Schumi was well established as a top driver when he joined Ferrari with 2 titles and plenty of races showcasing his talent.

[JPZ]

Did you know that it's possible to answer a question without being combative or condescending? Not everything has to be a show of aggression or superiority.

I can see why a 7 x WDC can have pulling power with fans and sponsors, not necessarily with engineers and designers, especially not after his peak.

Newey said that while Lewis and Fernando were still racing, meaning the opportunity to work with them still existed. So why did he refer to the idea of working with them in past tense? Possibly because he was speaking in hindsight about a younger Fernando and Lewis with the potential for massive success still in front of them. It doesn't necessarily mean he wishes to work with them now. If it did, he could have gone to Fernando at Honda, Alpine, Aston Martin, or Lewis at Merc.

Schumacher was in good form when he moved to Ferrari and the bulk of his success was still ahead of him. In fact, Schumacher's example supports my suggestion about Leclerc. There were more accomplished drivers than Schumacher at the time yet a younger talent with a future ahead of him had more pulling power on engineers and designers than the established drivers. Did Schumacher have pulling power on engineers and designers when he (7 x WDC) went to Merc in the twilight of his career?

I'm afraid your response was not very useful. Anyone else have an answer please?

When Schumacher went to Ferrari in 1996 he was already considered the best driver on the grid and one of the best ever in terms of talent.

When Schumacher returned in 2010, it was after several years away from F1 and a 'comeback', which hardly ever works out well in sports especially at 41 years old. He also had a neck injury from a bike accident which he never fully recovered from, and would have returned to Ferrari in 2009 if not for the injury.

Schumacher's main contribution to Mercedes was to help develop and improve the team using his own experience and knowledge from his time at Ferrari and Benetton. He also did contribute to their brand and marketing. So I think there are some similarities with Hamilton joining Ferrari.

Elkann has recently stated Leclerc is the future of Ferrari and 'team leader', so unless Hamilton can beat Leclerc on the track, it would seem Leclerc is expected to bring the WDC and the strong pairing the WCC.

[ntukza]

As for Schumacher at Merc, well yes - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-michael-schumacher-founding-father-of-mercedes-f1-success-5282329/5282329/

Leclerc is not as big a name as Lewis, like it or not. Schumi was well established as a top driver when he joined Ferrari with 2 titles and plenty of races showcasing his talent.

Alright, thanks for your insight Greig.

[ntukza]

When Schumacher went to Ferrari in 1996 he was already considered the best driver on the grid and one of the best ever in terms of talent.

When Schumacher returned in 2010, it was after several years away from F1 and a 'comeback', which hardly ever works out well in sports especially at 41 years old. He also had a neck injury from a bike accident which he never fully recovered from, and would have returned to Ferrari in 2009 if not for the injury.

Schumacher's main contribution to Mercedes was to help develop and improve the team using his own experience and knowledge from his time at Ferrari and Benetton. He also did contribute to their brand and marketing. So I think there are some similarities with Hamilton joining Ferrari.

Elkann has recently stated Leclerc is the future of Ferrari and 'team leader', so unless Hamilton can beat Leclerc on the track, it would seem Leclerc is expected to bring the WDC and the strong pairing the WCC.

So are you saying Hamilton is currently regarded as the best driver on the grid in the same way that Schumacher was regarded as the best driver in 1996?

[ntukza]

My challenge is, I can understand engineers/designers following the current best driver but I don't think Lewis is viewed that way in the paddock at the moment. I don't understand why engineers would follow Lewis around when the likes of Russell, Leclerc and Max are looking better than him. I might be wrong but I doubt engineers followed Schumacher to Merc because there were more exciting younger prospects around (that article Greig shared has no evidence whatsoever of engineers/designers going to Merc because of Schumacher). Why would an engineer at Red Bull leave Max and follow Lewis? Why would an engineer at Merc leave Russell and follow Lewis? I don't get it.

[JPZ]

So are you saying Hamilton is currently regarded as the best driver on the grid in the same way that Schumacher was regarded as the best driver in 1996?

No.

More similar to 2010.

[Brembo]

Michael Masi is the only reason Sr Lewis isn't going for a 9th WDC . Max is great but Lewis is the GOAT. He deserves to finish his F1 career with the best team FERRARI !

[aroutis]

Ferrari is great in quali pace.

Ferrari did improve from last years car when it comes to race pace.

However, Max and Perez will eventually pass Leclerc on true race pace and that's where the gap builds....Max is like .5 sec a lap and Perez is like .3 seconds a lap.

Last year Max could pull a second a lap at the start.

Ferrari still needs a ways to go to build the gap to RB.
We are light years better in comparison to last year. No tyre degradation and MUCH better than last year when it comes to race pace (as a result to no degradation).
So basically we see what we wanted to see, a good platform to build into.

So, I know what I will say is not easy, but.. patience and faith, this is the difficult part. In essense this is a new car that the team and drivers are getting to learn, but it is a GOOD car.

Re: the race, for me this is an excellent result considering, realistically speaking we knew we could not hunt for W unless RBR had issues, but we got the maximum, ie. 3rd with a faultless Charles and an impeccable performance by Bearman that now gives food for thought!

[aroutis]

No brembo.

No. It's Merc pitwall.
Now go back under the rock you 're living.
And when he comes to Ferrari, good luck with him beating his team leader lol

[ntukza]

Michael Masi is the only reason Sr Lewis isn't going for a 9th WDC . Max is great but Lewis is the GOAT. He deserves to finish his F1 career with the best team FERRARI !

Why do you keep repeating yourself Brembo?

[Cavallino]

Why do you keep repeating yourself Brembo?

you have been Rubenized

[ferrari1.8t]

Why do you keep repeating yourself Brembo?

His trolling is incessant.

The bigger question is why hasn’t the owner/moderators banned him yet. Others have been banned for much less.

He hijacks every single thread on this forum and makes it about Hamilton, Rubens or somehow that Carlos is better than Charles. It is very frustrating, even after blocking his posts.

[stefa]

His trolling is incessant.

The bigger question is why hasn’t the owner/moderators banned him yet. Others have been banned for much less.

He hijacks every single thread on this forum and makes it about Hamilton, Rubens or somehow that Carlos is better than Charles. It is very frustrating, even after blocking his posts.

I have blocked him ages ago. Everyone should!

[Greig]

His trolling is incessant.

The bigger question is why hasn’t the owner/moderators banned him yet. Others have been banned for much less.

He hijacks every single thread on this forum and makes it about Hamilton, Rubens or somehow that Carlos is better than Charles. It is very frustrating, even after blocking his posts.

Is it much different to you posting about everything Hamilton does, sabotage conspiracies etc etc. If someone believes Carlos is better than Charles then why does that bother you so much.

[aroutis]

Is it much different to you posting about everything Hamilton does, sabotage conspiracies etc etc. If someone believes Carlos is better than Charles then why does that bother you so much.
Everyone can believe everything and back it up with facts.
Otherwise we can also have people telling us earth is flat or something.

He is clearly flamebaiting. There is a difference.

[Greig]

Everyone can believe everything and back it up with facts.
Otherwise we can also have people telling us earth is flat or something.

He is clearly flamebaiting. There is a difference.

If he believes Carlos is better then who cares really? Some believed JPM was better than Michael for example, it's an opinion not fact.

[Tony]

If he believes Carlos is better then who cares really? Some believed JPM was better than Michael for example, it's an opinion not fact.

/JPMthebest has entered the chat

[aroutis]

If he believes Carlos is better then who cares really? Some believed JPM was better than Michael for example, it's an opinion not fact.

It's not so much about Carlos, it's his repeated trolling bout the so called "8th" (lewis) and all the stuff he keeps saying like a broken record just to mess up with everyone I am sure you know because there is not a single member that does not complain.

People in the vast majority have resorted in putting him in ignore. Even that won't work. And yet, nothing is done for him.

Why? Is he the comic relief of this place? If that is the intention, it's not working.

[Brembo]

Ferrari has taken Sr Lewis from Merc for 2025 ! That's trolling! :rotfl I could never keep up with all the Charles is better than Carlos trolls here :rotf l Charles Let Carlos win that last 2024 win! People as you say in the vast majority here have to be ivid that FERRARI and me want and got Sr Lewis to join our team. I truly wish both ur drivers points galore! Forget Spain vs Monaco.

[Cavallino]

Ferrari has taken Sr Lewis from Merc for 2025 ! That's trolling! :rotfl I could never keep up with all the Charles is better than Carlos trolls here :rotf l Charles Let Carlos win that last 2024 win! People as you say in the vast majority here have to be ivid that FERRARI and me want and got Sr Lewis to join our team. I truly wish both ur drivers points galore! Forget Spain vs Monaco.

sir lewis will be Rubenized!

[Brembo]

sir lewis will be Rubenized!

If he does get Rubenized Charles had better win!!! I really doubt Ferrari would get $$$$ Lewis and then tell him to move over for Charles. I'm hoping for wins and points between both drivers. Enough already with Max and Perez. I wish the best for Sainz; he really got screwed having to leave Ferrari.

[TTRSMAD]

This race in terms of data is very rich to analyse.

Ferrari will be hard at work to crunch all kinds of numbers and data to see how aggresive they can be with the set up and where they can get closer to Red Bull.

Australia might not be as easy for Verstappen if Leclerc manages to get pole or get in front come race time especially if Ferrari brings some kind of different spec rear wing.

[Cavallino]

This race in terms of data is very rich to analyse.

Ferrari will be hard at work to crunch all kinds of numbers and data to see how aggresive they can be with the set up and where they can get closer to Red Bull.

Australia might not be as easy for Verstappen if Leclerc manages to get pole or get in front come race time especially if Ferrari brings some kind of different spec rear wing.

yeah, there are some key data points that have led me to believe Ferrari left some pace on the table. I don't know if it's just copium though.

Leclerc's fastest lap, lack of tyre wear, the old spec wing, etc

[JChan]

If he does get Rubenized Charles had better win!!! I really doubt Ferrari would get $$$$ Lewis and then tell him to move over for Charles. I'm hoping for wins and points between both drivers. Enough already with Max and Perez. I wish the best for Sainz; he really got screwed having to leave Ferrari.

Mate wake up! it is happening it's all done!

[Brembo]

Thanks for waking me up! :rotfl I agree!

[Schaun]

Ferrari are not using there full power mode yet it will be used at track specific circuits.I believe redbull have shown there playing cards in respect to power.i have never been a fan of street circuits.Give me a proper racing track any day .The street circuits are just publicity and show.Bring on monza baby now we are talking.

Monza is surely one of the best F1 tracks in history. Ferrari looks like the only team at the moment who can give some competition to Red Bull this season.

[Silent Bob]

yeah, there are some key data points that have led me to believe Ferrari left some pace on the table. I don't know if it's just copium though.

Leclerc's fastest lap, lack of tyre wear, the old spec wing, etc


I think you're right. Looking at what Leclerc had left, I wonder why they didn't tell him to push the last 10, 12 laps. Could have maybe caught Perez with his penalty or at least forced him to push harder.
Now.that they have deg under control, let's get aggressive.

[jgonzalesm6]

I think you're right. Looking at what Leclerc had left, I wonder why they didn't tell him to push the last 10, 12 laps. Could have maybe caught Perez with his penalty or at least forced him to push harder.
Now.that they have deg under control, let's get aggressive.

Bearman was catching up to Leclerc with regards to lap times at the end of the race as Bearman got more comfortable with the car and knowing how to use the regenerative deployment system.

[Silent Bob]

Bearman was catching up to Leclerc with regards to lap times at the end of the race as Bearman got more comfortable with the car and knowing how to use the regenerative deployment system.

By catching up, are you implying that he had better pace or that Leclerc was driving to a delta and not pushing?
I don't think Leclerc was pushing, as evidenced by his fast lap. Looks like he had quite a bit of pace left. Just not sure why he wasn't using it, unless it's a fuel usage issue.

[gump1480]

By catching up, are you implying that he had better pace or that Leclerc was driving to a delta and not pushing?
I don't think Leclerc was pushing, as evidenced by his fast lap. Looks like he had quite a bit of pace left. Just not sure why he wasn't using it, unless it's a fuel usage issue.

I have a theory, maybe a very wild one: Ferrari is just conserving it's Engine-1 during race as this is the first engine. It needs to do mileage during Free practice, Quality and Race. From next engine onwards they can use Engine-1 for FP and the other for Quali+Race. This year it seems all teams are worried out the CE cooling as only 2 are allowed.

During the Saudi race I saw Lec increased his pace for few laps here and there and in all those laps I saw the top speed of the car improved; only to suddenly see the top speed drop the next few laps again (and a proportionate increase in laptime).

[Silent Bob]

I have a theory, maybe a very wild one: Ferrari is just conserving it's Engine-1 during race as this is the first engine. It needs to do mileage during Free practice, Quality and Race. From next engine onwards they can use Engine-1 for FP and the other for Quali+Race. This year it seems all teams are worried out the CE cooling as only 2 are allowed.

During the Saudi race I saw Lec increased his pace for few laps here and there and in all those laps I saw the top speed of the car improved; only to suddenly see the top speed drop the next few laps again (and a proportionate increase in laptime).

Could be right. Could also be they were using Leclerc to test cooling at high output for a few laps to see how the engine responded?
But def seems to be using very conservative engine modes. Hopefully they can turn it up soon.

[tifosi1993]

There wasn't any conservative engine mode in Saudi, they simply used a bit too much downforce. On every straight we were slower than the Red Bull. They brought a low DF RW but didn't use it.

I also think that the low ambient temperate is a hindrance for us. Charles struggled with the rear tyre warm up issue in qualifying and also during the race. As soon as the tyres were up to temperature, his pace was as good as the Red Bulls. But by then both Red Bulls were ahead and he had no one to challenge him from behind.

[jgonzalesm6]

There wasn't any conservative engine mode in Saudi, they simply used a bit too much downforce. On every straight we were slower than the Red Bull. They brought a low DF RW but didn't use it.

I also think that the low ambient temperate is a hindrance for us. Charles struggled with the rear tyre warm up issue in qualifying and also during the race. As soon as the tyres were up to temperature, his pace was as good as the Red Bulls. But by then both Red Bulls were ahead and he had no one to challenge him from behind.
With regards to rear downforce, Ferrari removed a beam wing in Jeddah that they used in Bahrain.

I have the pics comparing both cars at both tracks with emphasis of the rear wings and beam wings.

In Bahrain, Ferrari achieved a top speed of 319kph.

In Jeddah, Ferrari achieved achieved a top speed of 330kph.

[gump1480]

There wasn't any conservative engine mode in Saudi, they simply used a bit too much downforce. On every straight we were slower than the Red Bull. They brought a low DF RW but didn't use it.

I also think that the low ambient temperate is a hindrance for us. Charles struggled with the rear tyre warm up issue in qualifying and also during the race. As soon as the tyres were up to temperature, his pace was as good as the Red Bulls. But by then both Red Bulls were ahead and he had no one to challenge him from behind.

I know we went with high downforce setup, but I observed on live timing app we were continuously 4-5 kmph down on top speed of even Mclaren (after Lec cleared Norris) in free air. But in the last 10 laps or so Lec upped his pace to match the top speed of Mclaren and then last 2-3 laps he was well above the top speed of Mclaren in each sector and almost matching RedBull (within 3-4 kmph).

So definitely engine modes were at play. Also seeing Lec comments post race, we can see he hints that he didn't push after he had tire warming issues with medium and hard and realised he cannot match RedBulls.

P.S: Singapore will be very tough for us if we have this issue prevailing till then.

[gump1480]

With regards to rear downforce, Ferrari removed a beam wing in Jeddah that they used in Bahrain.

I have the pics comparing both cars at both tracks with emphasis of the rear wings and beam wings.

In Bahrain, Ferrari achieved a top speed of 319kph.

In Jeddah, Ferrari achieved achieved a top speed of 330kph.

These top speeds are from Quali where the engine is at full beans. I think our engine is the strongest over a lap, even masking the obvious drag associated with high downforce config. I think we were only 3 kmph down on RedBulls in Quali, but as Lec mentioned in post-quali the car was losing all the time in traction dure to poor warmup of tires.

[jgonzalesm6]

These top speeds are from Quali where the engine is at full beans. I think our engine is the strongest over a lap, even masking the obvious drag associated with high downforce config. I think we were only 3 kmph down on RedBulls in Quali, but as Lec mentioned in post-quali the car was losing all the time in traction dure to poor warmup of tires.

I have seen a graph of the drivers best 15 laps top speed.

Bearman reached 339kph during the race as his fastest.

Leclerc reached 334kph during the race as his fastest.

I also have a graph showing or comparing Bearman vs Leclerc and you can see Bearmans time closing in on Leclerc throughout the race....especially towards the end of the race.

[jgonzalesm6]

I know we went with high downforce setup, but I observed on live timing app we were continuously 4-5 kmph down on top speed of even Mclaren (after Lec cleared Norris) in free air. But in the last 10 laps or so Lec upped his pace to match the top speed of Mclaren and then last 2-3 laps he was well above the top speed of Mclaren in each sector and almost matching RedBull (within 3-4 kmph).

So definitely engine modes were at play. Also seeing Lec comments post race, we can see he hints that he didn't push after he had tire warming issues with medium and hard and realised he cannot match RedBulls.

P.S: Singapore will be very tough for us if we have this issue prevailing till then.

Again, the graph that I am seeing during the race was Mclaren(Norris) was severely hampered to a draggy car and Ferrari was not slower than Mclaren according to the top speed of the drivers 15 laps that I observed.

It's quite a huge difference between Ferrari and Mclaren as the race is concerned.

[tifosi1993]

I know we went with high downforce setup, but I observed on live timing app we were continuously 4-5 kmph down on top speed of even Mclaren (after Lec cleared Norris) in free air. But in the last 10 laps or so Lec upped his pace to match the top speed of Mclaren and then last 2-3 laps he was well above the top speed of Mclaren in each sector and almost matching RedBull (within 3-4 kmph).

So definitely engine modes were at play. Also seeing Lec comments post race, we can see he hints that he didn't push after he had tire warming issues with medium and hard and realised he cannot match RedBulls.

P.S: Singapore will be very tough for us if we have this issue prevailing till then.

Yeah, I was wrong about engine mode. Ferrari use mode: race during the races, which delivers optimal power. Charles for whatever reason, didn't use it as much as Bearman.

He struggled with the rear tyre warm issue, but as soon as the tyres got up to temperature and whenever he used mode: race, he was super competitive. His fastest lap is a testament of that, which was done in the final lap of the race on 43 laps old C2. (He did a 1"31.915 in the penultimate lap, so his fastest lap wasn't some fluke)

[tifosi1993]

These top speeds are from Quali where the engine is at full beans. I think our engine is the strongest over a lap, even masking the obvious drag associated with high downforce config. I think we were only 3 kmph down on RedBulls in Quali, but as Lec mentioned in post-quali the car was losing all the time in traction dure to poor warmup of tires.

Yup, Ferrari ICE is strongest on the grid, plus the SF24 has good efficiency (but not as good as last year's SF23), so that top speed didn't say much. When Charles overtook Hamilton and Norris, he didn't go above 324.

A car with good downforce and minimal drag will gain big speed boost with the DRS. That's what Red Bull is doing with their car. People thought they were stalling the beam wing but that was just a myth. Ferrari removed the upper portion of beam wing but ran with the Bahrain-spec RW. They didn't use the 2023 SPA-spec low DF RW they brought in Saudi, and Jeddah is a low downforce track.

[Cavallino]

Yeah, I was wrong about engine mode. Ferrari use mode: race during the races, which delivers optimal power. Charles for whatever reason, didn't use it as much as Bearman.

He struggled with the rear tyre warm issue, but as soon as the tyres got up to temperature and whenever he used mode: race, he was super competitive. His fastest lap is a testament of that, which was done in the final lap of the race on 43 laps old C2. (He did a 1"31.915 in the penultimate lap, so his fastest lap wasn't some fluke)

wasn't Bahrain cooler than normal as well?

another data point for poor tyre warm up is Leclerc's getaway off the line isn't as good as the RBs

[jgonzalesm6]

wasn't Bahrain cooler than normal as well?

another data point for poor tyre warm up is Leclerc's getaway off the line isn't as good as the RBs

What data point are you looking at? Leclerc had the 2nd best start in the race at Jeddah behind Perez who was 1st IF you're talking about Leclerc's start at Jeddah.

[Cavallino]

What data point are you looking at? Leclerc had the 2nd best start in the race at Jeddah behind Perez who was 1st IF you're talking about Leclerc's start at Jeddah.

i'm nitpicking, it seemed to be a bit of an issue last season, Vegas springs to mind, and in Jeddah, i'm saying maybe he didn't have optimal tyre heat, because he didn't challenge Max going into turn 1 like in Bahrain.

and as you said, Jeddah had the caveat that Chico jumped the start

[jgonzalesm6]

and as you said, Jeddah had the caveat that Chico jumped the start

No, Checo didn't jump the start. It was Norris that jumped the start and didn't get penalized for it.

[killer]

/JPMthebest has entered the chat

JPMThePowerandTheBest

Good times those. :-)

[Brembo]

Montoya is 48 and still racing !!!

[PURE PASSION]

No, Checo didn't jump the start. It was Norris that jumped the start and didn't get penalized for it.
Perez was rolling slowly on the start !!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Perez was rolling slowly on the start !!!!!

Perez's front tires didn't pass the lines in front of the tires so it wasn't illegal as opposed to Norris whom his front tires crossed over the front lines in front of his tires and then he stopped briefly and then started again.

Valtteri Bottas did the same thing at the AustrianGP in 2017 where he did a rolling start before the lights went out and times it perfectly and didn't get penalized for it.

[Cavallino]

Perez was rolling slowly on the start !!!!!

it's the third time in a row he's been wrong, and he denies it every time.