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    Aero updates 2008

    After sometime (we're talking months here) I've finally got round to doing a little explaining on some of the main aero developements which have appeared this season.

    Some of the information contained within this thread comes from this week's guest publication: Bernoulli (Aerodynamics International) - "The science of flying on the ground"


    So lets get things started with....

    Ferrari's "Nose hole"
    When rumours of the hole in Ferrari's nose first came out I was very sceptical, mainly because the descriptions of how it worked, well... just didn't.

    How they said it worked:
    The original description was that air passing over the front wing (specifically the flap) normally gets caught under the nose, causing a high pressure area. The nose hole would then release this air through the nose.
    (descriptions like: F1-Technical)




    Now if we go back to basic aerodynamics, a wing works by creating a pressure difference between the upper and lower surfaces.
    In the case of an F1 wing, higher pressure on the top, lower on the bottom - thus creating downforce.

    Surely then, having a really high pressure area on the nose is a good thing, and releasing it would actually reduce downforce!
    In fact, deliberately causing a blockage to the air going over the wing is widely used to gain downforce by many teams by almost joining the flap to the underside of the nose.


    How it really works:
    So after a little though, a few conversations with some people who understand such things and a read of the above mentioned magazine it makes alot more sense if the nose hole works basically the other way round.

    The issue with a normal nose is that air coming off the underside of the wing flap hits the nose (and other components) and creates an area of higher pressure - which slightly cancels out the higher pressure on top of the wing - reducing downforce.

    If you allow this air to flow through the nose, then you reduce the pressure under the wing further - working the centre of the wing harder, creating more downforce.



    If you have more downforce generated by the centre of the wing, you can back-off the sides of the wing and reduce the upwash - which takes air away from the underbody of the car.


    Looking at a side view of the Ferrari nose, the bottom of the nose hole is visable as a small scoop... which definately appears to be too far back on the nose to be taking air from infront of the flap.




    What are the downsides?
    Well appart from not being able to use it everywhere, the main problem is the FIA crash test.
    As Williams found with the "Walrus" of 2004, making the nose into two side beams makes the challenge of passing the front impact test that much harder. That said, any additional weight in the nose may actually help with the weight distribution required by the current tyres.

    The hole will also create a certain amount of drag and turbulence. This turbulent air will mainly hit the driver in the face (not a huge concern to the aero guys) and some will enter the airhorn in the roll-hoop. It is therefore possible that the engine performance could be affected, and this concern is definately backed up by Ferrari running a series of Pitot tubes (to measure pressue) in front of the airhorn during testing of the new nose.



    So why don't they use it everywhere?
    Well basically if you run low downforce, you back-off the wings.
    Backing off the front wing means lowering the flap.... which pulls it away from the underside of the nose.

    If you had the nose hole with this wing layout, air from above the flap would pass through the nose.... and we're back to the original point of actually reducing the effectiveness of the wing.

    This is why the nose hole is only used at higher downforce tracks.




    Next time....
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    Last edited by coysht; 3rd August 2008 at 09:13.
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    Awesome mate, thanks very much for the insight.

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    Great stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig
    Great stuff
    Greig come on, that clap isn't very aerodynamic!
    Last edited by coysht; 4th August 2008 at 20:23.

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    Neither is your hair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste
    Greig come on, that clap isn't very aerodynamic!
    Screw aerodynamic - its a moving aero device

    Greig: Meeooow.


    But anyhoo, cheers guys.






    BTW. Ste accidently edited your post. Whoops! Should be back to how you originally posted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig
    Neither is your hair
    Thats really funny, because as I was posting my 'Aerodynamic Clap' post, I was going to write something about that, knowing you would anyway!

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    great reading, really interesting
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    Good post Tom... makes a lot more sense now...

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    Thank you Tom!

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    Thanks, Tom - v. interesting.

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    F2008 Hungarian GP configuration 3D

    [YT]k3XWD90QOv4[/YT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafmed
    F2008 Hungarian GP configuration 3D

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    Thats awesome, thanks for sharing.

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    that is some cool stuff amazing how accurate things have to be
    Fear is exciting for me
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    *bump*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso
    *bump*
    Ouch, did that hurt?

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    A tad

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    excuse me, i'm newby here...i just want to ask what kind technology that appear in picture above...i just kind confuse how the black front rims tyre doesn't moving round at all....does anyone knows the technology? thanx anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by britz


    excuse me, i'm newby here...i just want to ask what kind technology that appear in picture above...i just kind confuse how the black front rims tyre doesn't moving round at all....does anyone knows the technology? thanx anyway...
    Mechanically the front 'hubcaps' stay still because they are fixed back to the upright (the metal support that joins the suspension wishbones to the wheel stub-axle) and the wheel rotates around this, either by having one fixed axle with another one rotating round it (with the wheel on) or by running the wheel around a fixed axle using bearings.


    Without the hubcap there is normally a very turbulent wake of air coming out of the centre of the wheel.
    This would normally hit the sidepod and then move across the topbody and into the rear wing - messing up rear downforce.
    Adding the vertical wings to the front of the sidepods helps this, but putting a hubcap on the wheel allows the point at which this air is vented from the wheel to be controlled.

    The downside is that brake cooling can be compromised, which is why the covers are not used at heavy braking circuits and removed in later stints of some races when the teams are concerned about break wear.
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    Thanks Tom

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    hoo....feel like i understand a lot...i really appreciate it...thanx...

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