Pat Fry to join Ferrari? (Autosport report)

**Suzie** · 20th June 2010, 15:48

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/84639

Former McLaren chief engineer Pat Fry is set to join Ferrari's technical strength according to reports in the Italian media.

The 46-year-old, who quit McLaren in May after working for the team for 18 years, has signed for the Italian squad according to Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport. It remains unclear when he will take up his position or what his role will be.

When asked to confirm the story, a Ferrari spokesperson refused to comment.

McLaren's managing director Jonathan Neale recently spoke of Fry's decision to leave the team in a media phone-in last month: "Whenever somebody of Pat's calibre leaves the team it is sad, and we like Pat very much and he is a fine engineer but people have their lives to lead and want to do other things.

"It doesn't give me any concern for the performance of the team or what we do for next year's car at all because we are still a team that has strength in depth and we are committed to maintaining that," he added. "Yes it's regrettable but Pat has to move on and do other things with his life and we have carried on as you would expect."

**Asphalt_World** · 20th June 2010, 15:49

Would be very good news if it is true although I don't know what role he would take. However he has so much experience it would bring a lot to the team.

**mandzipop** · 20th June 2010, 16:08

Now that it is on Autosport, it carries a lot more weight to it. He's on gardening leave for 6 months, so wouldn't be able to join until next year. Possibly a re-shuffle coming up?

**epiclyaddicted** · 20th June 2010, 16:16

Hmm, Autosport reporting it now. Must have some basis to it then.

**mandzipop** · 20th June 2010, 18:06

I wonder what he could bring. As long at is not related to the MP4-24 I don't care.

**Rob** · 20th June 2010, 19:27

came cross this, doesnt say alot, but the last line is interesting.......

www.onestopstrategy.com

McLaren's departed Fry heading to Ferrari
Sunday 20 June at 16:01 : Jun.20 (GMM) McLaren's recently-departed chief engineer Pat Fry is heading to Ferrari.

It emerged last month that the 46-year-old Briton, who joined from Benetton in 1993, has left the Woking based team for an unknown destination.

Fry shared McLaren's chief engineer role with Tim Goss, and was in charge of the 2011 car project.

Italian media sources on Sunday said Fry is headed to Ferrari, and will have an impact on the famous Maranello based team's next car.

**mandzipop** · 20th June 2010, 19:36

Originally Posted by scuderia rob

came cross this, doesnt say alot, but the last line is interesting.......

www.onestopstrategy.com

McLaren's departed Fry heading to Ferrari
Sunday 20 June at 16:01 : Jun.20 (GMM) McLaren's recently-departed chief engineer Pat Fry is heading to Ferrari.

It emerged last month that the 46-year-old Briton, who joined from Benetton in 1993, has left the Woking based team for an unknown destination.

Fry shared McLaren's chief engineer role with Tim Goss, and was in charge of the 2011 car project.

Italian media sources on Sunday said Fry is headed to Ferrari, and will have an impact on the famous Maranello based team's next car.

I find that last line a bit strange too. He left Mclaren on 14th May. He has a 6 month gardening leave, so he can have no involvement with Ferrari until 14th November. The car will be virtually designed and ready for pre-season testing by then.

**Greig** · 20th June 2010, 19:53

Do McLaren have him under constant watch? I am sure he can easily pop along to Maranello out of his own time and pop in or even give data and idea's....

**Asphalt_World** · 20th June 2010, 20:07

I think a nice garden shed with a nice fast cable link, a PC running the appropriate software will do well enough to get him started.

**TheProdigalSon** · 21st June 2010, 01:19

Good news if this comes to fruition, can really help the team.

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 04:14

Originally Posted by Greig

Do McLaren have him under constant watch? I am sure he can easily pop along to Maranello out of his own time and pop in or even give data and idea's....

He's sure be under gardening leave...a time where he cant usually join any rival team for 6-7 months (although this varies depending on the contract)

In this period, If he did come to Marenello and give data or ideas, then Ferrari would be charged of spying and gathering Mclarens intellectual property....

**Rishu** · 21st June 2010, 04:43

Originally Posted by mad_ani

In this period, If he did come to Marenello and give data or ideas, then Ferrari would be charged of spying and gathering Mclarens intellectual property....

Good point

I am sure Ferrari does not need him desparately, they can wait till he is officially relieved by McCheaters.

What will be the fate of Dyre then?

**Hornet** · 21st June 2010, 05:01

If Ferrari really wanted info from him, they will get it IMO.
We don't exactly need him to be physically present at Ferrari HQ

And I doubt McLaren have th capabilities or jurisdiction to monitor his private email

Or he could pass notes old skool spy style

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 06:25

Originally Posted by Rishu

Good point

I am sure Ferrari does not need him desparately, they can wait till he is officially relieved by McCheaters.

What will be the fate of Dyre then?

possibly a reshuffle internally...well I hope and certainly believe Ferrari would not stoop down to low levels to get other teams data or property...

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 06:27

Originally Posted by Hornet

If Ferrari really wanted info from him, they will get it IMO.
We don't exactly need him to be physically present at Ferrari HQ

And I doubt McLaren have th capabilities or jurisdiction to monitor his private email

Or he could pass notes old skool spy style

lol, we could then send him a photocopier and a fax machine with numbers directly to Marenello's design dept....

**Agron** · 21st June 2010, 06:41

Where have all those people that suggested Ferrari were only hiring pure blooded italians gone? or maybe this guy has a half italian cousin or something?
Why is the same xenophobic and self righteous drivel always coming from the same place?

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 08:06

Originally Posted by Agron

Where have all those people that suggested Ferrari were only hiring pure blooded italians gone? or maybe this guy has a half italian cousin or something?
Why is the same xenophobic and self righteous drivel always coming from the same place?

Well, its not a done deal yet and just a report in a news article... There is no news yet about what position he would occupy or when he would join Scuderia...6 months incubation would also mean that he would have stayed away from much of the design process of 2011 car...

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 09:14

Originally Posted by mad_ani

He's sure be under gardening leave...a time where he cant usually join any rival team for 6-7 months (although this varies depending on the contract)

In this period, If he did come to Marenello and give data or ideas, then Ferrari would be charged of spying and gathering Mclarens intellectual property....

LOL no what a engineer takes with him in his head is always fair game, don't be so silly

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 09:22

Originally Posted by Greig

LOL no what a engineer takes with him in his head is always fair game, don't be so silly

GARDEN LEAVE--Wikipedia definition :

In the United Kingdom, garden leave (or gardening leave[1]) describes the practice whereby an employee who is leaving a job (having resigned or otherwise been terminated) is instructed to stay away from work during their notice period, while still remaining on the payroll. This practice is often used to prevent employees from taking with them up-to-date (and perhaps sensitive) information when they leave their current employer, especially when they are leaving to join a competitor.
Employees continue to receive their normal pay during garden leave and are covered by any contractual duties, such as confidentiality agreements, until their notice period expires.[2]
The term can also be used when an employee is sent home whilst subject to disciplinary proceedings, when they are between projects, or where, as a result of publicity, their presence at work is considered counter-productive. The Tracey Temple affair is an instance of the latter case.
The term is frequently used in Formula One motor racing to describe what happens when valued technical staff choose to move between teams. In an attempt to prevent proprietary information about performance and design falling into competitors' hands, the engineer in question is placed on garden leave, sometimes for many months, to ensure that when he is finally able to join his new employer his knowledge is no longer current (or useful).

Just posted a definition for you

, before you accuse me of anything else...

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 09:25

And it still does not stop his own info in his head

don't be so silly, comparing 600 page documents with this LOL, it's an attempt to stop him working full time at Ferrari, nothing more....McLaren can't monitor what he says or does. Ferrari are not in the UK either

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 09:31

I never compared this with spygate or any 600 page document

Of course, engineers are hired for their intellect, but they are usually under payroll during garden leave, making him an employee of the former company...in this case Mclaren...

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In this period, If he did come to Marenello and give data or ideas, then Ferrari would be charged of spying and gathering Mclarens intellectual property....

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 10:13

No they wouldn't

McLaren cannot have any confidentially agreement for his own thoughts and ideas, for goodness sake LOL

**NJB13** · 21st June 2010, 11:19

Originally Posted by Greig

No they wouldn't

McLaren cannot have any confidentially agreement for his own thoughts and ideas, for goodness sake LOL

Beg to differ on this one. If something is developed by your employee, using your equipment, tools and existing intellectual property, then, it absolutely remains your property. I would be very much surprised if he wasn't covered by NDA's as well and I'd be equally sure, given a hint of a breach of any of these, it would be a case of "issue-writs-first" "ask-questions-later".
Given the above, I believe and hope that we would use his skills and knowledge based on our own intellectual property and knowledge along with everything that is in the public domain.

**Salvador Dali** · 21st June 2010, 11:20

Originally Posted by Greig

No they wouldn't

McLaren cannot have any confidentially agreement for his own thoughts and ideas, for goodness sake LOL

Oh come on Greig you know that what mad_ani said is true. He can't come to Maranelo or have any discusions about his work while on gardenig leave. Until he is a part of McLaren he can not use anything he has in his head for any other team.
This does not stop him/her to give the new employer all the info once he starts working for some one else.

Basiclly what you said Greig is true but not in the context mad_ani was trying to put forward...
It is not nice to twist words around and make fun of someone trying do give valid info on this forum.... --> respect...

Have a nice day sir

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 11:59

He can tell Ferrari things, do you think we have hired him without speaking to him, seeing some of his work and idea's? get real LOL

So where did we hire him if McLaren can ban him from Maranello LOL, he can use whatever he has in his head, McLaren do not own his mind and thoughts.....

**Ferrari_Fanatic** · 21st June 2010, 12:10

Originally Posted by Greig

He can tell Ferrari things, do you think we have hired him without speaking to him, seeing some of his work and idea's? get real LOL

So where did we hire him if McLaren can ban him from Maranello LOL, he can use whatever he has in his head, McLaren do not own his mind and thoughts.....

agreed! i wonder if Alonso has something to do with it (recommeded him)

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 12:19

Originally Posted by Greig

No they wouldn't

McLaren cannot have any confidentially agreement for his own thoughts and ideas, for goodness sake LOL

Of course not...but he is paid by Mclaren during that time and any work or designs that come from him...would still be Mclarens property or credited to them.....If he develops different ideas he cannot put it to work or sneak up to Marenello and tell them the secret workings of Mclaren in THIS GARDEN LEAVE PERIOD...
If he develops ideas he would have to wait until he joins a company and them put it to use....Of course no one has a copyright on thoughts etc.. Please let us not fight over this...

If he comes to Ferrari and brings in good ideas...great for the team...and hopefully he can adapt well

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 13:37

Originally Posted by mad_ani

Of course not...but he is paid by Mclaren during that time and any work or designs that come from him...would still be Mclarens property or credited to them.....If he develops different ideas he cannot put it to work or sneak up to Marenello and tell them the secret workings of Mclaren in THIS GARDEN LEAVE PERIOD...
If he develops ideas he would have to wait until he joins a company and them put it to use....Of course no one has a copyright on thoughts etc.. Please let us not fight over this...

If he comes to Ferrari and brings in good ideas...great for the team...and hopefully he can adapt well

No if he has fresh ideas then it's nothing to do with McLaren, no fight here, Ferrari have not hired him because of his name, he will have been to Maranello and spoke to Ferrari and gave them ideas and what he can bring, if he is signed.

**mad_ani** · 21st June 2010, 14:19

Originally Posted by Greig

No if he has fresh ideas then it's nothing to do with McLaren, no fight here, Ferrari have not hired him because of his name, he will have been to Maranello and spoke to Ferrari and gave them ideas and what he can bring, if he is signed.

Maybe I dont understand....

He is on Mclarens payrole...and by contract an employee of theirs for 6 more months ...he comes to Ferrari giving his "new" ideas...

Ethically correct???

**Greig** · 21st June 2010, 14:27

When did F1 have ethics LOL, should he give them to McLaren then?

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