Pat Fry to join Ferrari? (Autosport report)

[mad_ani]

I believe and hope certain people do...maybe some employees who work hard...maybe good people are there once the politics of the sport is taken out...

On second thoughts,,Maybe u are right...
An instance:(NO Alonso bashing here)

From Spygate 2007
Pedro dela rosa and Alonso did see Ferrari's data before discussing internally when they were at mclaren...Ethiclly correct?? IMO, No


Thats past and we have moved on..

[steelstallions]

Do McLaren have him under constant watch? I am sure he can easily pop along to Maranello out of his own time and pop in or even give data and idea's....

I'm sure his wife could find a photocopy shop in Maranello somewhere, it's not like that would cause any problems

[Nova]

I am not familiar w/this gentleman..is he good???

[Ant Raikkonen]

It would be good to get Fry from Mclaren. It's On Autosport, so the story must carry some weight.
Nice little coup, that. He's been there nearly 20 years and may give Ferrari some very good ideas and direction, just what they may need

[aroutis]

No they wouldn't McLaren cannot have any confidentially agreement for his own thoughts and ideas, for goodness sake LOL

Wrong. Any ideas of his own that have been applied in Mclaren are property of McLaren, and he cannot use them or pass them to anyone else.

What he can do however is use previous gained knowledge in other ways after he parts ways with his previous employer.

I have such clauses with my present employer so I know one or 2 things bout it.

[Greig]

Wrong. Any ideas of his own that have been applied in Mclaren are property of McLaren, and he cannot use them or pass them to anyone else.

What he can do however is use previous gained knowledge in other ways after he parts ways with his previous employer.

I have such clauses with my present employer so I know one or 2 things bout it.

As I said fresh ideas, McLaren do not own his thoughts, ideas and mind, does not matter about your contract, maybe your contract owns your mind I don't know If we have signed him then clearly we have had meetings, and I would suspect he has brought what he can bring to Ferrari to the table, which makes complete sense to me.

If he has fresh idea's and gives them now to Ferrari to implement, how on earth would McLaren know about it?

[steelstallions]

Wrong. Any ideas of his own that have been applied in Mclaren are property of McLaren, and he cannot use them or pass them to anyone else.

What he can do however is use previous gained knowledge in other ways after he parts ways with his previous employer.

I have such clauses with my present employer so I know one or 2 things bout it.

He certainly cannot implement like for like ideas on the Ferrari, but Ferrari will already have done work in areas similar to what he knows and it would be great to see if he can use both his knowledge and Ferrari's work in creating new idea's Mclaren could never call their own.

[Nova]

I am not familiar w/this gentleman..is he good???

Well it appears he is pretty good after doing some research....he was working on next years mac according to
crash...would probably depend how much of it he has down on paper...or cad b4 he can start creating..they also reported he was wanted by Merc n a few others...

[Ferrarichamp]

Pat Fry, another Brit to work for Ferrari. I've sometimes wondered, how many Italians work for McLaren?

[mad_ani]

As I said fresh ideas, McLaren do not own his thoughts, ideas and mind, does not matter about your contract, maybe your contract owns your mind I don't know If we have signed him then clearly we have had meetings, and I would suspect he has brought what he can bring to Ferrari to the table, which makes complete sense to me.

If he has fresh idea's and gives them now to Ferrari to implement, how on earth would McLaren know about it?

Hmm...guess it would make complete sense if Aldo Costa left ferrari today and approached another team tomorrow showing his ideas (garnered using Ferrari's resources, but not implemented yet) by meeting his future employer??

[Greig]

Hmm...guess it would make complete sense if Aldo Costa left ferrari today and approached another team tomorrow showing his ideas (garnered using Ferrari's resources, but not implemented yet) by meeting his future employer??

Can you do me a favour and read what is written, i.e fresh ideas meaning new ideas and concepts he has done not at McLaren but while sat in the garden....on a side note the Williams walrus nose was created by a designer at Ferrari, when Ferrari said no thanks, they took it to Williams.....

If Fry has new fresh idea's that McLaren do not know about then why would he not give them to Ferrari or whoever he is going to join, he has to sell himself to teams too

[replica]

Ferrari has confirmed on Tuesday morning that former McLaren Chief Engineer Pat Fry has joined the Italian team as Assistant Technical Director. The 46-year-old Surrey man departed the Woking squad at the end of last month and will now be working alongside Aldo Costa.

Having worked previously with Benetton as well as McLaren, Fry left the latter in May and will begin work at the Scuderia as July begins.

Pat moved into Formula 1 in the late 1980s by joining Benetton's Research and Development department as well as a stint with its test team, to which he returned in 1991 before being promoted to the Race Engineer role for driver Martin Brundle in 1992.

The move to McLaren came a year later, swayed by friend and colleague Giorgio Ascanelli (now Toro Rosso Technical Director). Fry became Race Engineer to future double Champion Mika Häkkinen in 1995 before moving to the test team in 1996 - despite hearsay linking the Englishman with Ferrari.

In 1997, Fry became David Coulthard's Race Engineer, working with the Scot until the end of the 2000 campaign before directing both cars in 2001. 2002 brought with it another promotion, to the job of Chief Engineer - a role held until his recent exit from the team.

Ferrari has also noted on Tuesday that the rest of its technical department structure remains unchanged, despite the new arrival.

[mad_ani]

atleast we can fine tune our F duct and rest of the car by August..

[Asphalt_World]

Excellent news. This can only be great for Ferrari.

[Tiz]

I saw the report of his 1st July start on Yahoo sport. It is surprising that he is being allowed to start so soon after leaving McLaren unless they haven't started on their new car yet. Hope he will be good for Ferrari.

[raylinds]

Wrong. Any ideas of his own that have been applied in Mclaren are property of McLaren, and he cannot use them or pass them to anyone else.

What he can do however is use previous gained knowledge in other ways after he parts ways with his previous employer.

I have such clauses with my present employer so I know one or 2 things bout it.

Technically you are correct. However, such contracts are extremely difficult to enforce. Unless there is a blatant exact copy a McLaren design, they should be okay. Taking an existing concept and implementing it in a different manner can be done. McLaren could bring legal action, but it would be hard to win. I have been under, and have put my employees under such contracts for most of my career and legally, it is a gray area. Employment contracts cannot be so restrictive as to impair one's ability to make a living. A good case could be made that his ideas and experience are necessary to gain future employment, so some leeway would be allowed.

[nikhil4356]

Its good that Fry is joining Ferrari. Interested in the 6 months gardening leave and how ferrari management can tackle it .

But what I feel is that Ferrari doesn’t necessarily need innovative parts like F duct, or double diffuser, which aren’t even innovative. They are just calculated risks hoping that the FIA will allow them to use them. Sort of like grabbing a football players jersey in the box, and hoping not to get caught. If you are caught, you look the fool, if you aren’t caught it’s genius. There is alot of politics behind what FIA allows, and what they don’t as well. But maybe that is changing under Todt’s reign. There is a fine line, between innovation and sidestepping the rules, under a technicality.

What Ferrari needs is a better core concept. A better grasp on the rules as a whole, so that their solution to everything isn’t to copy everyone else. That’s what teams behind the eight ball have to do. Ferrari have been doing this the last 18 months. This years car is already a Redbull clone, and now they are adding the exhaust system. But it is never as good to copy, as it is to invent as you will understand the thoughts and philosphy behind it alot better.

Redbull’s pull rod suspension isn’t innovative either. It’s been used before in F1. Very few ideas are new, it’s just whether or not they will work in current regs, combined with will they be allowed to use them by FIA. It’s a risk, because no team wants to put their resources into developing something, only for it to be banned after a few races. So there is always an element of gamble. It is important for the sports credibility for the FIA to be seen as impartial in these situations.

However.. the better the core concept, the less you have to gamble. We can now look back and say that Brawn’s car last year was a one trick pony. Without the double diffusers, it was only a good car, and since others added their’s they have continously slipped backwards. But Brawn can defend its stigma “one-trick pony”, by citing that Williams and Toyota had the same trick and they had nowhere near the speed of the Brawn. Every part of that car was super-refined at the start of the season because (reputedly) it was the most expensive F1 car in history.

There was also alot of talk about finishing work on this years car to concentrate on next years car. Alot of the teams that do, it doesn’t even seem to help them. A good core concept is better then a few extra months in development.

[RedDragon]

taken from mad_ani's post

In the United Kingdom, garden leave (or gardening leave[1]) describes the practice whereby an employee who is leaving a job (having resigned or otherwise been terminated) is instructed to stay away from work during their notice period, while still remaining on the payroll.

According to this, any new ideas he comes up with during his leave don't belong to McLaren because he is instructed to stay away, therefore he can not present any new ideas to them.

note found on a new fax machine in Ferrari HQ
*this fax machine will self-destruct in 30 seconds*

[MMREDDY]

He is going to work for Ferrari from July 1st 2010 onwards

[mad_ani]

Now that he is on board...are Ferrari now desperate for talent outside their team??Do we not have enough people that can win us the championship...The bigger question

IS THIS THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEW DREAM TEAM for FERRARI?

whoz next, Newey?

[vcs316]

Ferrari confirms Fry recruitment

As had been anticipated, Ferrari has confirmed that highly-respected former McLaren chief engineer Pat Fry is to join the Scuderia in the capacity of assistant technical director.

Fry will work under technical director Aldo Costa, but whilst the Englishman’s appointment had been expected to take effect from the 2011 F1 campaign, he will in fact begin his new role at Maranello from as soon as 1 July, meaning he will in all likelihood be able to have a significant input into the design of next year’s car.

Fry spent the best part of two decades at McLaren, having entered the sport with a background in electronics engineering and missile technology before going on to engineer current BBC F1 commentator Martin Brundle at Benetton in 1992. During his 18 years spent at Woking, the 46-year-old acted as race engineer to both double world champion Mika Hakkinen and 13-time grand prix-winner David Coulthard, and subsequently progressed to take charge of both of the team’s cars.

As such, he will take a wealth of invaluable expertise with him to his new employer, including detailed knowledge of the initial design phases of next season’s McLaren, with which he had been heavily involved prior to his departure from the ultra-successful British outfit earlier this year. Fry will join fellow English-language natives Rob Smedley and Chris Dyer in the upper hierarchy of the Prancing Horse’s race team.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/220620...cruitment.html

[Agron]

Oh how Greig is going to LOL after this...

Anyway, great news, not only Ferrari gets a highly qualified engineer with a huge amount of experience, but also they could probably get from him the most detailed first hand legal info you could get about McLaren's organization, way of working, R+D ideas and concepts, and of course detailed data on this and next year's cars. And they get those right now.
No matter how you look at it, this is very bad news for McLaren.

[Greig]

Now that he is on board...are Ferrari now desperate for talent outside their team??Do we not have enough people that can win us the championship...The bigger question

IS THIS THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEW DREAM TEAM for FERRARI?

whoz next, Newey?

You really are predictable, so now we sign people because we are desperate, why do you post here, its now really boring, once again you use anything Ferrari do to create a negative view.

[mad_ani]

You really are predictable, so now we sign people because we are desperate, why do you post here, its now really boring, once again you use anything Ferrari do to create a negative view.

From the thread "should we get Adrian Newey", your post :

Why not? Ferrari should be actively seeking to hire the best, and if Ferrari feel he is the best we should get him.

Lol, there is nothing negative, but a sense of urgency to get back to be the best..If viewed in negative light..its negative....

[Greig]

Indeed, but I don't associate signing the best as desperation or saying our team is not good enough, such as you, as I said very boring, instead of being happy Ferrari sign someone well respected you use it as a tool to put down the current team and suggest Ferrari are desperate, some fan!

Bored of your constant belittling everything Ferrari does, I am sure I am not the only one....

[racingbradley]

Yes it's boring reading negative posts about our team. Personally I am glad that someone well respected with a wealth of experience is joining us.
If Adrian Newey would like to add Ferrari to his CV, I am sure we would welcome him too!!!
That doesn't mean we are desperate but why not take the opportunity to use experienced people who have been successful with our opponents????

[Nova]

He's a plant...will come in for 2 years, steal all of our secrets, design a crummy car, then go back to mac.... hey, I like conspiracy theroiys..therorirs...theroes..fugitabodit////...

[Rob]

this is great news.You always want too add and make the team stronger. Im sure he will fit in well and find the familt atmosphere just what he needs and likes. Sure he will bring good fresh ideas and help too make 2011 challenger the car for next year.

I read in posts that people say he aint allowed or cannt suggest ideas that may be Mclaren, well look at what Pedro done at Sauber, they rocked up with thier version of the "f-duct" couple races after Mclaren unvielled it.

[Tony]

For a second I thought Ferrari hired Nick Fry and was wondering what the heck everyone was talking about lol....

[vcs316]

Ferrari poaching McLaren's Fry 'wise' - Verstappen

Ferrari is "wise" to have poached an experienced engineer from McLaren, according to former Grand Prix driver Jos Verstappen.

Briton Pat Fry, McLaren's former joint chief engineer who was with the Woking team for 17 years and recently working on the 2011 car, will start his new role at Ferrari next week as assistant technical director.

"Getting Pat Fry is a wise move," Verstappen wrote in a column for the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.

"Like last season, you could say again that Ferrari's performance has not been good enough.

"It is not the drivers' fault -- in particular, I estimate Alonso very highly.

"But in recent years Ferrari has lot some very important people and I think they are still affected by that," he added.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=374458