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    What I find interesting is the gap between Rosberg & MS. Compared to other team mates of supposed equal status in the team, it's enormous - regardless of his time away from the sport.

    I'm sure if he's given a more suitable car (and lets face it he's had a car built specifically for him for a decade now) he will improve, but there's just no way on earth the old Schumy is coming back. He's enjoying himself too much for a start!

    His misjudgements in how to handle his competitors on track are one thing, but the ability to adapt to a car that wasn't made for him is clearly not there - unlike his team mate it would seem.

    I like MS. I remember what he did for us and how he did it, but moreover I actually like the guy and still admire his determination in deciding to come back (even though he baulked us in doing so). The only issue i have with him is that he seems to think he should have a different set of rules applied to him than any other driver as regards movements on track (unless you count Hami!).

    That doesn't make him "hard but fair" in my eyes, that makes him a liability to other drivers. My mind was made up on that when he clashed with the Force Indias on the last lap in Canada. The situation with Rubens only served to reinforce that view.

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    I belive MS will still be there next season, He just needs tis season to adjust and get use to racing again, I belive he signed for 3 years, Next season he will be on the pace and fighting for the title, Merc have stopped the development of this car and concentrating on next years car.


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    Well he knew it was not going to be easy and what he would have to endure. If there's anything left to admire about him it is his will power and never give up attitude. Maybe with the big reset next year when everyone switches to Pirelli rubber he'll have a better shot but till then he's going to have to put up with all the slagging coming his way, justified or unjustified, biased or jealousy and all the other types of it.
    He has been a reference mark for all these drivers, some admired him and some hate his guts and still do [like Reubens] I wish he realized sooner that concrete walls won't solve these issues but just add more dry wood to the fire waiting to come out of the mouths of his critics. He apologized, next step is to clean up his act and up his game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
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    That doesn't make him "hard but fair" in my eyes, that makes him a liability to other drivers. My mind was made up on that when he clashed with the Force Indias on the last lap in Canada. The situation with Rubens only served to reinforce that view.
    And taking Massa out of his well deserved points finish......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And taking Massa out of his well deserved points finish......
    Yes Michael that was quite unforgiveable in my book.


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    Michael Schumacher and his Mercedes drive ...

    I dont know what depresses me more. The BBC totally biased commentators, or this Forum. Michael gave many years of absolute and selfless commitment and loyalty to Ferrari, not to mention 5 titles. We should, in the very least, respect that. He took 3,5 years holiday (wish I could say the same), and then fell out of the sky in a parachute into a car he was not familiar with, strange tyres, new team with different philosophies. I think, under the circumstances, he is doing very well. His team mate is doing better? Only relatively, and so he should be. He has been developing in tandum with the new tyres, the new rules, etc. Besides, I would also get a podium if the fellas in front knocked themselves out of the running .... Give Michael a break. He deserves that much.

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    If this F E R R A R I forum depresses you as a MS fan, then simply don't visit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And taking Massa out of his well deserved points finish......
    indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If this F E R R A R I forum depresses you as a MS fan, then simply don't visit
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If this F E R R A R I forum depresses you as a MS fan, then simply don't visit
    it actually depresses me as a Ferrari Fan that people still go on about people who are no longer with us (team) and not even in the sport anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If this F E R R A R I forum depresses you as a MS fan, then simply don't visit
    This is getting silly... I mean come on Grieg... YOU opened a MS thread and gave people the chance to express their views on MS... So they did... BUT if YOU don't like what they think / write you tell them to go away... Yes this is A Ferrari forum and sorry to tell you this but MS is, from a historical point of view, part of Ferrari... So if some views are not shared with the rest we can argue them or not!? Why slag just the members that still want to give MS some credit...

    I once posted a reply in a thread that it would be nice if WE as Ferrari fans still had some respect for our competitors... It seems it has all gone... too bad...

    Enjoy this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvador Dali View Post
    This is getting silly... I mean come on Grieg... YOU opened a MS thread and gave people the chance to express their views on MS... So they did... BUT if YOU don't like what they think / write you tell them to go away... Yes this is A Ferrari forum and sorry to tell you this but MS is, from a historical point of view, part of Ferrari... So if some views are not shared with the rest we can argue them or not!? Why slag just the members that still want to give MS some credit...

    I once posted a reply in a thread that it would be nice if WE as Ferrari fans still had some respect for our competitors... It seems it has all gone... too bad...

    Enjoy this thread...
    I never told anyone to go away, but if someone comes here to be depressed about a MS thread then perhaps for their own health they should not visit no? Not my fault some fans can't accept others views and use it as a reason to slate the forum is it

    I will await for this new found respect for Lewis to appear here also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvador Dali View Post
    I once posted a reply in a thread that it would be nice if WE as Ferrari fans still had some respect for our competitors... It seems it has all gone... too bad...
    Doesnt seem like MS has any respect for fellow drivers.. including his friend and former team mate Massa.. and his other teammate Rubens (that moved over so many times for him)..If he puts one of our Ferrari drivers into a wall then why should be respect him..
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    You always had a way with words...

    I'm sorry but I'm just not that good in this game as you, as English is not my native language. And as much as I know you (as a TSN moderator) you have changed a lot. Not that this is a problem for me as I don't post, but I would like if you were more balanced in your views. I'm part of this forum in one way or the other from about 1999 / 2000 so I tend to know a thing or two about this forum. Back in the "good old days" there was no love between teams (speaking from a fans point of view) but there was respect! As you can recall we even had hard core McLaren fans here and they liked it here because there was respect! Now I admit I don't like Lewis but I never made stupid comments about him! Not here or any place else, so your last line tells me how low this forum has gone. There are still a few members that make good posts and there are some good tech stuff & news but still a long way from what it was.

    Again I'm not trying to bring someone down but I'm trying to make you see that with this kind of attitude this forum will lose even that small amount of good members that it still has. Just please take a minute and really think about it...

    Members come and go I have learned to deal with it but this forum will stay with you, so I really can't see why not at least try to make it better by setting a good example for all the new forum members. This is my take on things. Take it or leave it I really don't care.

    Hope you can see this from more than just one angle.

    Have a nice day sir
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari4life View Post
    Doesnt seem like MS has any respect for fellow drivers.. including his friend and former team mate Massa.. and his other teammate Rubens (that moved over so many times for him)..If he puts one of our Ferrari drivers into a wall then why should be respect him..
    Well if you can't think of a good reason than don't! I'm not saying you should. That is a personal thing and it is up to each member to be as good as they can, for this forum is a community and many different views will come out but than it is up to individuals to make it a better place - if you can.

    I'm trying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvador Dali View Post
    Well if you can't think of a good reason than don't! I'm not saying you should. That is a personal thing and it is up to each member to be as good as they can, for this forum is a community and many different views will come out but than it is up to individuals to make it a better place - if you can.

    I'm trying...

    Cheers
    So you want a community that conforms to your ideas and opinions, you want no differing views, or views that might not be acceptable to you?

    You say I should be more balanced, how about you show me what comments I have made in this thread that in your opinion are not balanced, because I am struggling to see them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So you want a community that conforms to your ideas and opinions, you want no differing views, or views that might not be acceptable to you?

    You say I should be more balanced, how about you show me what comments I have made in this thread that in your opinion are not balanced, because I am struggling to see them....
    Read my 2 posts (not to hard is it...) again. How you have come up with this line amazes me to no end. I'm just trying to make a contribution to this thread by making it more balanced (reference to your question). If you don't see it no amount of my posts will make you see. You either do or you don't. Looks like you don't.

    Don't worry I will stop now as it seems my views are not welcomed here.

    Have a nice day

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    Out of gratitude I continue to wish MS well but DEFINiTELY NOT EVER at Ferrari's expense. However long he wants to keep on is his
    own business but he should be setting an good example and not resorting to desperate, questionable and unsafe antics. It's his
    decision of course but I personally think he should hang it up sooner rather than later. I',m now glad he didn't come back to drive
    for us again-that he didn't was a blessing in disguise.

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    I feel some sympathy for him but I am convinced his self belief is still current. If he is allowed to remain with Mercedes he will resurrect. I believe we will see the old Michael back again in a car that was built around him not Jenson!!!!!
    I do not make any excuses for his moves on Force India, Felipe and Rubens.


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    I am new member here and I am also just starting to become a ferari fan.
    I just want to say that I don't need anyone to tell me that I need to show some respect to MS just because of his association to Ferrari.

    I have very little tolerance to unsportsmanlike behavior and MS. Was always a cheat and will never change. For me personally, this kind of behavior will always outweigh his abilities therefore I will always show no respect for this driver.

    it is kind of sad that on his comeback he decides to reinforce his dirty approach to racing instead of trying to amend that.
    all the positive things that he had going for himself before are now gone, and now he's simply left with cruising in the midfield and pissing his competitors off ..
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    I think some one is using Kubica's name to stir up things. He was also going to take Massa's place.
    What's next taking Lewis's spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post

    I will await for this new found respect for Lewis to appear here also
    You can grow quite a beard before that happens I think....

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    A short popular saying resumes MS situation better than a million words:

    "On ne peut être et avoir été".(*)

    Schumacher is paying the price for having ignored this basic truth and thought he was stronger than time.

    What a waste!

    (*) No, I'm not going to translate.
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    I think Merc has gained a few " supporters " just based on the MS gravy train, I don't think they really expected to come out all guns blazing winning the titles on there first show, but to get MS on board will raise there profile and presence as a new team, be it that it might of have backfired on the big presence effect.
    Either way MS has brought something back to F1, The near death feeling for Rubens, and that we all can’t stop chatting about him.
    If he goes, he goes and if he stays, he stays. I doubt he is going to make any bigger waves he already has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamD View Post
    I think Merc has gained a few " supporters " just based on the MS gravy train, I don't think they really expected to come out all guns blazing winning the titles on there first show, but to get MS on board will raise there profile and presence as a new team, be it that it might of have backfired on the big presence effect.
    Either way MS has brought something back to F1.
    Well of cause he gave them more supporters, lots, and lots of sponsor money.
    I think the same can be said about Alonso. In this forum there is a lot of new people here because of him.
    You can say that that is bad. Lets just hope that doesn't backfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac View Post
    You can grow quite a beard before that happens I think....
    I wouldn't get too used to the beard yet, what happens on this forum if Lewis is offered a seat in the Ferrari in the not so distant future? He has not ruled out driving for Ferrari and its only us fans that don't like him, Ferrari have never had a problem with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    I wouldn't get too used to the beard yet, what happens on this forum if Lewis is offered a seat in the Ferrari in the not so distant future? He has not ruled out driving for Ferrari and its only us fans that don't like him, Ferrari have never had a problem with him.
    Not too distant? When are you thinking of? Bear in mind also that certain conditions would need to exist to support such a move:

    1. Alonso would have to be gone
    2. All of the good drivers would have to be elsewhere (not gonna happen is it?!)
    3. Hell would have to have an icy crust on it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    Not too distant? When are you thinking of? Bear in mind also that certain conditions would need to exist to support such a move:

    1. Alonso would have to be gone
    2. All of the good drivers would have to be elsewhere (not gonna happen is it?!)
    3. Hell would have to have an icy crust on it!
    I tend to agree, but that was the general feeling when the first rumors about MS to Ferrari and / or Alonso to Ferrari move was seen on the net... And the rest is history. But really driver are just employees for the team, so if the boss thinks it is good for the team then it doesn't matter if we like it or not. So from this angle hell doesn't need to freeze nor does it mean that all good driver have to be gone... But still I don't think Lewis will be wearing red any time soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvador Dali View Post
    Read my 2 posts (not to hard is it...) again. How you have come up with this line amazes me to no end. I'm just trying to make a contribution to this thread by making it more balanced (reference to your question). If you don't see it no amount of my posts will make you see. You either do or you don't. Looks like you don't.

    Don't worry I will stop now as it seems my views are not welcomed here.

    Have a nice day
    I have read your 2 post, and not 1 of them offered any opinion on the thread title, and not 1 of them made a contribution to make the thread more balanced, you are just attacking my opinion without even telling me what part of my opinion you do not find balanced....at least show me where I have not been balanced in this thread about MS....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvador Dali View Post
    I tend to agree, but that was the general feeling when the first rumors about MS to Ferrari and / or Alonso to Ferrari move was seen on the net... And the rest is history. But really driver are just employees for the team, so if the boss thinks it is good for the team then it doesn't matter if we like it or not. So from this angle hell doesn't need to freeze nor does it mean that all good driver have to be gone... But still I don't think Lewis will be wearing red any time soon...
    Lewis isn't good enough. I'd rather have Kimi back if we have to go down that route again!

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