Angry Alonso says race 'manipulated'

[Hermann]

Looking for this for a while...DID ANY FORMER F1 driver JOIN THE STEWARDS PANEL for VALENCIA??? If so who???

It is now reported that charlie took a while to get the ariel footage.....All we saw was the onboard footage from LH.

Frentzen. He probably pushed the button for the red light to make Schumacher wait in the pitlane

[mad_ani]

Frentzen. He probably pushed the button for the red light to make Schumacher wait in the pitlane

LOL, Thanks mate, looks like revenge for stealing a girlfriend

[epiclyaddicted]

One good reason, is because the next time, the penalty will be imposed immediately...
And this I think is the problem. Not the type of penalty, but the delay of the penalty.
I mean, come on.
Just an aerial replay is what you need. Play, pause when SC reaches the line. Is he braking the rules?
Penalty immediately. From the incident until the penalty, there was 50 minutes delay....50!

Yes, but still, a drive-through is the minimum penalty that the stewards can impose during a race. My point was that, overtaking the safety car can be dangerous. The SC is meant to slow the field down because of an incident. What if, after Webber's crash, there was debris spread out all over on that part of the track? Imagine how dangerous it would be of an F1 car running over those debris, creating a possible life-threatening situation for the nearby marshals and spectators!

Ok, I'm a exaggerating a bit, but I'm just saying that overtaking a SC can be dangerous, and the penalty should be black flag, simple as that.

Next time there is an incident on the track that requires the SC to come out, and someone (*cough* Lewis *cough*) decides to take their chance by overtaking the SC and racing round to the pits, creates a horrible accident in the process - the FIA will only have themselves to blame!

[Hornet]

Frentzen. He probably pushed the button for the red light to make Schumacher wait in the pitlane

LOLOL

[Suzie]

Yes, but still, a drive-through is the minimum penalty that the stewards can impose during a race. My point was that, overtaking the safety car can be dangerous. The SC is meant to slow the field down because of an incident. What if, after Webber's crash, there was debris spread out all over on that part of the track? Imagine how dangerous it would be of an F1 car running over those debris, creating a possible life-threatening situation for the nearby marshals and spectators!

Ok, I'm a exaggerating a bit, but I'm just saying that overtaking a SC can be dangerous, and the penalty should be black flag, simple as that.

Next time there is an incident on the track that requires the SC to come out, and someone (*cough* Lewis *cough*) decides to take their chance by overtaking the SC and racing round to the pits, creates a horrible accident in the process - the FIA will only have themselves to blame!

Totally agree - maybe not even just debris, there could be marshalls too. After all, the Safety Car is out for a flipping reason. My view is that Lewis probably wasn't 100% sure about where the line was, but then thought 'To hell with it, I'll chance it anyway.'

[epiclyaddicted]

Totally agree - maybe not even just debris, there could be marshalls too. After all, the Safety Car is out for a flipping reason. My view is that Lewis probably wasn't 100% sure about where the line was, but then thought 'To hell with it, I'll chance it anyway.'

Yes, may be Lewis overtaking the SC was marginal, but it doesn't matter if he passed by a metre or a mile; the fact is that he overtook the SC. And the advantage he gained from that far outweighed the cost of the drive-through penalty. In other words, the penalty was worth it.

And that's what I'm trying to say. That the FIA has set a precedent, which basically says that overtaking the SC gives you a far bigger advantage than what the subsequent penalty would cost you. F1 drivers are notoriously competitive souls. If they think, that despite the move being illegal, they can get away with it, we'll see it happening week in week out. And that just takes us back to the point of safety.

Which is why I said, the FIA needs to put this in the regulations with clear wording: no matter what the situation is, overtaking a SC would always result in a black flag and disqualification. The FIA has done so much in recent years to strengthen the monocoque and the driver's survivor cell and what not all in the name of safety, but they leave some of the crucial SC regs ambiguous, and at the "race director's discretion". That just doesn't make sense. It has to be in black and white in the regulations, so that all the teams and the drivers know exactly what's at stake.