FIA may take action as Ferrari moan over Lewis Hamilton penalty

[Hornet]

No FIA action after Ferrari rage

F1's governing body is not expected to take action against Fernando Alonso or Ferrari.

The Italian team's response to the outcome of the Valencia race has been incandescent, including Fernando Alonso saying Lewis Hamilton's meagre treatment by the stewards amounted to "manipulation".

Ferrari vice-president Piero Ferrari said the mere drive-through penalty for McLaren driver Hamilton's overtaking of the safety car made the European GP a "false race".

And reports on the team's official website have quoted fans as saying Hamilton is a liar and a cheat, McLaren "thieves", and the FIA a "Federation of clowns".

British newspaper The Mirror correspondent Byron Young wrote on Twitter that in "Max Mosley's day", sanctions would now be likely, adding: "Are the FIA going to act or will Jean Todt dodge the first big F1 test of his presidency?"

According to sources on Monday, the FIA is not considering action.

I was wondering when the press is going to bring Jean Todt in.

[XXX132]

If nothing else, Mark Webber at least gave everyone a good look at the RBs magic undertray...

[mad_ani]

If nothing else, Mark Webber at least gave everyone a good look at the RBs magic undertray...

Like we did in Monaco???
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/wp-con...co10_074i1.jpg

[Agron]

No FIA action after Ferrari rage

F1's governing body is not expected to take action against Fernando Alonso or Ferrari.

The Italian team's response to the outcome of the Valencia race has been incandescent, including Fernando Alonso saying Lewis Hamilton's meagre treatment by the stewards amounted to "manipulation".

Ferrari vice-president Piero Ferrari said the mere drive-through penalty for McLaren driver Hamilton's overtaking of the safety car made the European GP a "false race".

And reports on the team's official website have quoted fans as saying Hamilton is a liar and a cheat, McLaren "thieves", and the FIA a "Federation of clowns".

British newspaper The Mirror correspondent Byron Young wrote on Twitter that in "Max Mosley's day", sanctions would now be likely, adding: "Are the FIA going to act or will Jean Todt dodge the first big F1 test of his presidency?"

According to sources on Monday, the FIA is not considering action.

More insanity, they should be asking when a replacement for Whiting is going to be hired, not if the ones at fault are going to silence by force or if they "will be merciful" with those disadvantaged. It feels like 2007 all over again, with the press creating a parallel world for those that have already decided to believe before they start to read their articles.

[mad_ani]

Why didn't the FIA deploy the SC sooner (in front of the leader) or wait till the last guy crossed the SC line? Seems like they released the SC with the intention of wedging it between LH and FA. And I know Alonso is going over the top, but it's good for us. We need to put pressure on the FIA and not let them get away with this (mistake or otherwise) without saying a word. The FIA can't loose credibility, they have none left.

The SC and medical cars are parked at the end of the pitlane....and are usually deployed from there...Vettel was far ahead in front of the pack....We need to get the rules changed as its done with FOTA.....not just FIA alone....so the blame is also on Ferrari and teams...they could have thought of this at the start of the season...

Alonso's moaning is not good, and is in contempt of the stewards, although SD has insisted it hwas a "hot" moment....If he doesnt want to race in F1 (since hez doesnt consider F1 a sport--Monza 06)..he should start racing somewhere else..he was happy to benifit from SC in 2008 Singapore...but now races become manipulated???

Massa too was disappointed and lost heavily due to the double pitstop...but wasnt extreme as Alonso in his remarks...

If Ferrari appeal against the 5 s penalties...that is totally justified...

[sky]

Hamilton was black flagged at Imola GP2 2010 race for overtaking the safety car
Why the hell was he not black flagged in this instance?

no penalty for weaving on the race track
no penalty for racing in pitlanes
no penalty for under fueling in montreal quali
no penalty for racing in pitlane in montreal again!!
drive through for overtaking SC which should have been black flagged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ferrari should take action against FIA for
- hurting their cause by not waving blue flags in montreal
- hurting their cause by not black flagging hamilton in Valencia for overtaking the SC

[Aussie]

Ferrari 1 2 win in england will go down well

[JRX164]

I've been watching f1 for almost twenty years but I'm really getting fed-up with it now. With all the things teams aren't allowed to do or try anymore, every race you have to sit and wait until an 'incident' happens to make it 'interesting'. I want to watch races (and was used to see them) that are spectacular without incidents behind a safety-car. But as long as Ferrari takes part in f1, I'll keep watching because I want to see them win every championship they compete in. Even if it's this stupid series of parade laps.

[Greig]

Just as much as they love Abu dhabi, Turkey, and all those "exotic" rubish tracks that Bernie has put in F1 and of course keeps getting in... and let's not forget his comments that Italy cannot possibly have 2 race tracks (whereas Spain obviously can?).

Noone of course could forbid an italian track in a new venue.

So Ferrari's fans will be happy to see them leave F1, and run on ovals, ok

[crewskas]

It was 2006, in the GP2 race in Imola, and Lewis overtook the safety car after falsely thinking he was being waved through when in fact it was waving through the Campos cars ahead of him. Lewis was leading the race at that time and should have stayed behind the safety car. His penalty? A black flag and disqualification from the race.

[mad_ani]

Just as much as they love Abu dhabi, Turkey, and all those "exotic" rubish tracks that Bernie has put in F1 and of course keeps getting in... and let's not forget his comments that Italy cannot possibly have 2 race tracks (whereas Spain obviously can?).

Noone of course could forbid an italian track in a new venue.

Wasnt Rome Gp for 2012 being considered until recently?? Germany had 2..Hockenheim and nurburgring....but wasnt it dropped bcoz both were non profitable???
Accidents dont make F1exciting...but strategic overtaking does...

[Anni]

Ferrari 1 2 win in england will go down well

Just hope Alonso will cool down until then. If he and Hamilton will be too near in the race I fear Alonso would be a little bit prone to some kind of overreaction. He could be a bit too agressive as is good for his own race. Same goes for Massa too, of course, but I think he wasn´t as angry as Alonso was. Hope there will be a few cars as a bumper between our boys and Hamilton. (Our cars in front, of course )

[Ant Raikkonen]

Kimi's site must be down!

Yeah i was wondering what a Kimbot was doing here.

[sky]

FIA have been toooooo lenient on McCheaters

[Hermann]

Just hope Alonso will cool down until then. If he and Hamilton will be too near in the race I fear Alonso would be a little bit prone to some kind of overreaction. He could be a bit too agressive as is good for his own race. Same goes for Massa too, of course, but I think he wasn´t as angry as Alonso was. Hope there will be a few cars as a bumper between our boys and Hamilton. (Our cars in front, of course )

'The result justify the means' is not Fernando's mantra. Its Hamiltons. Its Hamilton always driving on the edge with the rules. And he knows he is allowed to, and that the penalty will always be a minor one. All for the show.

[dfunk257]

I've been watching f1 for almost twenty years but I'm really getting fed-up with it now. With all the things teams aren't allowed to do or try anymore, every race you have to sit and wait until an 'incident' happens to make it 'interesting'. I want to watch races (and was used to see them) that are spectacular without incidents behind a safety-car. But as long as Ferrari takes part in f1, I'll keep watching because I want to see them win every championship they compete in. Even if it's this stupid series of parade laps.

This is my exact thoughts as well. It's so sad that we need a sc 2 make it interesting as u say, but really because of the FIA sc rules, it turns the race in2 a lottery, and I'm sorry but that's not racing and I'm sick of seeing races decided like that. Race positions b4 the safety car should be resumed after the safety car returns to the pits, that way all is fair and the race battles continue. It's such a simple thing but the FIA probably won't even consider this, and that's so disapointing and very sad 4 this sport.

[usa1]

THE FIA IS SAYING THAT IT TOOK THEM 7 MINUTES TO GIVE THE PENALTY TO MC.CLAREN. iF THEY CALCULATE THE TIME OF EACH LAP AND SEE FROM LAP 9 TO LAP 20 HOW MUCH TIME THERE IS IT WILL NOT BE 7 MINUTES LIKE THEY SAID. IT ONLY TAKES 1 MINUTE TO REVIEW WHAT HAPPENED SO WHY TAKE SUCH A LONG TIME. THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING OR OLD AGE IS CATCHING UP TO THEM. JEAN TODT SHOULD TAKE SOME ACTION ON THIS AND COMPENSATE FERRARI FOR THIS STUPID MISHAP.

[Anni]

'The result justify the means' is not Fernando's mantra. Its Hamiltons. Its Hamilton always driving on the edge with the rules. And he knows he is allowed to, and that the penalty will always be a minor one. All for the show.

I didn´t want to say Alonso would seek revenge on purpose, just that he might overreact in some way if he and Hamilton get near each other on the track.

[epiclyaddicted]

THE FIA IS SAYING THAT IT TOOK THEM 7 MINUTES TO GIVE THE PENALTY TO MC.CLAREN. iF THEY CALCULATE THE TIME OF EACH LAP AND SEE FROM LAP 9 TO LAP 20 HOW MUCH TIME THERE IS IT WILL NOT BE 7 MINUTES LIKE THEY SAID. IT ONLY TAKES 1 MINUTE TO REVIEW WHAT HAPPENED SO WHY TAKE SUCH A LONG TIME. THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING OR OLD AGE IS CATCHING UP TO THEM. JEAN TODT SHOULD TAKE SOME ACTION ON THIS AND COMPENSATE FERRARI FOR THIS STUPID MISHAP.

Just go easy on the Caps Lock please mate.

[MarlboroFA]

I didn´t want to say Alonso would seek revenge on purpose, just that he might overreact in some way if he and Hamilton get near each other on the track.

First of all....What did you mean to say about Alonso race ??? That we are agressive ? That we try to resolve things with our hands ??
Don`t start that BS......
Alonso if he wanted to seek revenge that way don`t you think he would have allready done so after all what has happend .....
I have never seen Alonso running down the pitlane pushing everyone to get to a Mclaren garage.....

The course of action changed due to the stewards not intervening earlier, so the results where manipulated ..... So yes the race was manipulated like Alonso said.... Now did the FIA do this on purpose or not, I don`t know there have been to many incidents where Lewis has escaped with a reprimand....So I tend to believe that they favor Hamilton/Mclaren....
Hey but this is nothing new in the F1.....all the world knows that Prost also was a favorite with the FIA in the eighties due to the president being a frenchman.....

[RedDragon]

I think what Anni meant was that if Alonso and Hamilton come wheel to wheel on the track, Alonso might take an unnecessary risk to stay in front of him. With Hamilton's reputation that could be dangerous. With so many people still seething about what happened, it would be understandable for Alonso to still be upset but hopefully Alonso will have had enough time to cool down and clear his head. No one really knows for sure what is going on inside his mind right now, hopefully he is just out enjoying life for a few days, getting ready for the next race, not thinking about the one just ran.

[aroutis]

Wasnt Rome Gp for 2012 being considered until recently?? Germany had 2..Hockenheim and nurburgring....but wasnt it dropped bcoz both were non profitable???
Accidents dont make F1exciting...but strategic overtaking does...

I don't know if Rome is gonna happen, but when they were discussing Rome, Bernie said they cannot possibly have 2 Italian GP (meaning that Monza (!!!) has to go). Of course now that Monza 's renewed , one has to wonder what happens with Rome.

[Anni]

I think what Anni meant was that if Alonso and Hamilton come wheel to wheel on the track, Alonso might take an unnecessary risk to stay in front of him. With Hamilton's reputation that could be dangerous. With so many people still seething about what happened, it would be understandable for Alonso to still be upset but hopefully Alonso will have had enough time to cool down and clear his head. No one really knows for sure what is going on inside his mind right now, hopefully he is just out enjoying life for a few days, getting ready for the next race, not thinking about the one just ran.

Thank you, that´s exactly how I meant it, just didn´t know how to explain it!

[Stormsearcher]

The SC and medical cars are parked at the end of the pitlane....and are usually deployed from there...Vettel was far ahead in front of the pack....We need to get the rules changed as its done with FOTA.....not just FIA alone....so the blame is also on Ferrari and teams...they could have thought of this at the start of the season...

Alonso's moaning is not good, and is in contempt of the stewards, although SD has insisted it hwas a "hot" moment....If he doesnt want to race in F1 (since hez doesnt consider F1 a sport--Monza 06)..he should start racing somewhere else..he was happy to benifit from SC in 2008 Singapore...but now races become manipulated???

Massa too was disappointed and lost heavily due to the double pitstop...but wasnt extreme as Alonso in his remarks...

If Ferrari appeal against the 5 s penalties...that is totally justified...

Everyone at one point or another benefits from the SC.. I dont think his anger is that Hamilton benefitted from the SC, i think its more because he cheated blatantly to benefit, and the penalty was redundant by the time it did come.
He is hot headed, and he really really wants to win. We have seen this before, he hates to come second.. and i think thats what makes him a 2 time champion, and one in the running for more. Massa is/was not as close to the leaders as Fernando was, so its sort of natural that he wont be as upset. While am sure the loss in points hurt both of them.. Massa is a much more cool headed person than fernando is. You are comparing their temperaments, not the point being made.

[xinebessa]

I love this description:-



This ~6' is a "hairline" at the Guradian


Wouldn't want to buy any real estate advertised in that paper.

P.S. The writers wife was probably excited when she first heard him say it was 9"

Perhaps he though the line was a bit like this:

[epiclyaddicted]

Perhaps he though the line was a bit like this:

That's brilliant!

[Alessandra]

" I don't think it was manipulated. The FIA just need to look at the safety car rules in the future." I actually agree with Christian Horner and I'm sure the FIA will look at the rules again re. the SC and perhaps Hamilton & McLaren will understand them better.

Fernando, whose first language is Spanish as we all know, has apologised in full for his rather intemperate use of the word 'manipulated' and McLaren/ Hamilton have been a bit 'naughty' ( same as when they ran out of fuel before reaching the garage after quali in Montreal and LH got pole), so everything's fine now.

The trouble is this doesn't just affect one race. When the WCs are decided at the end of the year they will be incorporating the points accrued from those naughtinesses and any amount of subsequent FIA clarification of the rules for those who don't appear to know them are meaningless in that context. These points may well be decisive and if so will have been part of a 'manipulation' of the final scores. Or, if we don't like the word 'manipulation' perhaps'a misrepresentation of reality according to the rules of the sport' could be better if longer -winded!

I'm therefore not at all surprised that Ferrari is furious and I think had Vettel or Webber been in Alonso's and Massa's places in Valencia he might not have been quite so equitable.

(Sorry if someone has already made this point - I confess I have read most but not absolutely all the previous posts)