Well I think it is all done now ... we need to forget it and look forward to the next race and hope all goes well.. ( No use crying over spoilt milk as they say ... )
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Well I think it is all done now ... we need to forget it and look forward to the next race and hope all goes well.. ( No use crying over spoilt milk as they say ... )
"Michael showed that he is the greatest. He stole the show today. And he did that without even winning the race." comments from Willi Weber
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or indeed blaming the milkmanOriginally Posted by Ferrari_gal
Well I think it is all done now ... we need to forget it and look forward to the next race and hope all goes well.. ( No use crying over spoilt milk as they say ... )
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
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I do...
Question: Where is the helicopter view? Does anyone saw it from above? I strongly believe that the team did wrong in that. I believe that they thought that FA was in front of RK and had the racing line. So, he was forced out of track, having forgot Spa for example. Anyway, IMHO it's a SD fault.
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He has been throwing the bottles to our door and walls lately so it's not like we don't have the right to blame him a littleor indeed blaming the milkman
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Hmmm. Sorry mate. Can't agree. We knew the risk, were repeatedly warned by our stupid milkman (whom we can't change) and yet we decided that the safety net wasn't required and that we'd just wait and see if the doorstep got covered in milk or not.He has been throwing the bottles to our door and walls lately so it's not like we don't have the right to blame him a little
Best drop the analogy now
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Ferrari need to be a little wiser, even I knew the penalty was coming and he should have given the position back! YES Kubica did not help the situation by pushing Alo out the track but Ferrari should know better and they put all their chips on the wrong number... cross your T's and dot your I's next time team...
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OK guys, after the release of the communication, what are your opinions?
I still believe that FIA does not like Ferrari or Alonso. I tend to believe that JT cannot forget how he left from Ferrari and why...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85320
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Ah so if the FIA do something that upsets Ferrari it's something to do with a conspiracy theory over the conditions under which JT left Ferrari and if they do something pro-Ferrari then its because JT is Ferrari-biased.
Apparently Charlie Whiting is anti-Ferrari because he's British! Imagine if he was German! Then he'd be anti-British - obviously!!!!!!
People use nationalities as convenient excuses to justify bad luck and poor team decisions. They also conveniently forget the decisions that went our way in the past.
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No he wouldn't. Germans are anglophile. And of course he would support the german drivers first.
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Yes I tend to agree here, those were my thoughts right from the start... but we can live with that I'm sure.
"Michael showed that he is the greatest. He stole the show today. And he did that without even winning the race." comments from Willi Weber
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I think the FIA's band of stewards for F1 races is incompetent and they really need to take a hard look at how they operate things.
They are as fast and effective as a teenage girl trying to decide what to wear to a party
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How can you SERIOUSLY suggest that all officials are national biased? That's insulting to all professionals in all walks of life. It's a ridiculous idea.
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I was being merely being sarcastic. But i don't think its impossible though, bias happens in every sport. Betting scandals as well. We've had a lot of that here in Germany in the last years, and the referees were involved. So hardly anything surprises me anymore
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Alonso should know as well to give it back, not just Ferrari, would you be deflecting blame by any chance?
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It wasn't clear at all and he asked the team. Whatever the team decides is absolute and they said to not give it back until Charlie answers.
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Yes and they took their merry time
"Michael showed that he is the greatest. He stole the show today. And he did that without even winning the race." comments from Willi Weber
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It was very clear he overtook by cutting the corner, surely a 2 times champ knows that, well you would hope so, but suggesting Ferrari are to blame is just bordering on insanity
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Wouldn't he rely on the team at a time like that though Greig? If you are driving, you obviously know if you've done summat borderline but surely you rely on the team to guide you cos they have more TV data and comms (and brains that aren't concentrating on driving) to help make the decision the best one?
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Apparently you know better than Alonso, Ferrari and RC, the first asked to make sure, the second thought it was ok and the third couldn't answer straight away and took 2 minutes of stewards discussion to answer.It was very clear he overtook by cutting the corner, surely a 2 times champ knows that, well you would hope so, but suggesting Ferrari are to blame is just bordering on insanity
Or do you suggest that after asking the team, and them saying to not give the place back the driver should have just dissobeyed them?
External Link to a good post that explains why it wasn't at all clear who should have been given the penalty: http://forum.planet-f1.com/index.php...440#msg_num_36, IMO RK was in the wrong, the move should have been ok and either RK should have been given a penalty or be accepted as a racing incident, as he didn't give room to a car alongside (and slightly ahead of him even) as per the rules. If external links aren't allowed I appologize.
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You can't overtake by going off track, simple to understand, for you, for me, for Alonso and for Ferrari. It was very clear he was in the wrong and Kubica had every right to defend his postition, it's amazing how Alonso fans can turn things around into pure fantasy.
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Surely he can think for himself, he is a 2 times champ, the best driver, the one with the racing brain, surely he knew what he did was not really going to go unpunished, everyone else watching knew he had to give it back, he knew he overtook by going off track, he passed the buck to the team, who should have known better and told him to give it back, but still Alonso should have just gave it back right away, no need to even go on the radio to ask.
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You also can't squeeze a driver alongside you, and it's punishable, but it happened. Anyway, thank you for the great discussion, apparently if we disagree on something that benefits Alonso it automatically makes my arguments pure fantasy. I will go read something by Tolkien with Stella, Domenicalli and Alonso then
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When has it been punished? MS squeezed Massa at Canada, penalty?You also can't squeeze a driver alongside you, and it's punishable, but it happened. Anyway, thank you for the great discussion, apparently if we disagree on something that benefits Alonso it automatically makes my arguments pure fantasy. I will go read something by Tolkien with Stella, Domenicalli and Alonso then
Blaming it on Kubica is indeed pure fantasy he had every right to push Alonso out to the outside, Alonso had no right to cut the track and take the place, and you can roll all the eyes you like.....
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I think it's reasonable for Alonso to have asked the team, these things do happen incredibly fast and if his peripheral vision on his left side was being consumed by a very close Renault he could reasonably question how much of the chicane he cut, watching the tv replays and knowing Renault were asking the question too it would have been prudent just to have given the place back, I think anyone who saw the replay could see that, the only ones who can't see the replays are the drivers, so I do think the team has a degree of responsibility...
I think the punishment wasn't reflective of the crime, but some you win, some you lose, we do seem to be on the losing end a bit recently, but the status quo will be restored during the course of the season...
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Maybe Andrea should have reminded him of that instead of going "um...ok...we'll get back to you"
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Wonder if the team has to dress him in the morning too
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It's a team effort doe Alonso and he asked the question to his team what he should do and the rest is history or havent you been reading???
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I am a little confused at what u getting at Greig.. whats your point? ALO got pushed to the chicane and it was clearly not a black white situation, he asked his team and got an answer what else is he supposed to do?? In my ipinion he took Kubica and he avoided contact, ALO did the right thing...Wonder if the team has to dress him in the morning too
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Alonso overtook Kubica by cutting across the chicane...a distance traveled less than what Kubica did and hence over took him. since he had to be penalized as Kubica retired a drive thru was awarded, something similar to Spa 08, where Lewis was given a 20+sec penalty after the race losing the win.
he may have done the right thing to avoid contact, but it would be fair to give back that place and fight back again, all in a short span.
Salut Gilles
It was black and white, Alonso cut the track to make the pass, it was very clear, also Kubica done what any other top driver would do and squeezed Alonso out, Alonso could have backed out of it and not made a pass while cutting the track, so my point is Kubica was not to blame as you suggest, and that if Fernando did not know he was off track then I am amazed. How can you say he done the right thing when it cost him points yet again.
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