Alonso team radio after the checkered flag

[Alonsomaniac]

is Alonso mad???

i hate the cr ap were going through at the moment but seriously can we win it???

id say if we havent won in the next 2 races i don't think we will

Alonso is not mad at all. He knows that when you give up you will surely lose.
Of course he knows it won't be easy, but as long as you believe it can be done you still have a chance.
A true champ will only stop fighting if there is no mathematical possibilty anymore to win.

[Tifosi]

Words are great. Everything is great, but reality is we stand less then 5 % chance of winning it.
For winning the constructors title, if we win about six back to back one - two's.And Considering Mclaren average 3rd and 5th positions on those six races.They will still be ahead of us by 5 points.

Thing is now, we have things out of our hands. We need to rely others to up alot as well.
I am looking for next season.

Thank heavens Ferrari don't think like you do or we'd have nothing to support

[Julius]

I don`t think any driver sits and thinks before hand what to say when he finishes a race...

This is where we differ; I do feel that all of them think and go through before and after the race the broadcasted interaction and how it sounded, and why and what they maybe say/said. It's only human. Pointing that out, and especially that this one sounded to me like pr talk, shouldn't make me a troll or a liar.

But think about it, all humans are social beings, we all constantly think how other people see us, it is natural - no man is an island.

This doesn't have to diminish alonso, nice guys don't win championships, in any sport. However, my position still is that this time it went overboard considering the events of the race.

[Alonsomaniac]

And if you read the Dutch press (they don`t like Alonso even less now) almost all the Dutch people that watch F1 hate Alonso only because of the fact he`s Spanish... And they hate him even more now because of the final....
And then they have the nerve to call Spaniards and others racists, when they are the biggest.
Don`t believe me ? Apartheid is a Dutch word.....

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Eh.......I'm Dutch and an Alonso- and Ferrarifan although I didn't like to see us loose the final - but Spain won and they deserved the win. That's sports.
And Apartheid is South-African, not Dutch.
But NEVER call me or my country racist again please, I take that as an insult.

[Tifosi]

Making generic assumptions about an entire country of people is just intellectually stupid. Prolly best not to do it on a forum with rules on the matter either.

[redb]

Good grief, this has degenerated....

People, what you have here in a message of a Team leader to everyone saying we will fight on. Think of Churchill's "we shall fight them on the beach....." speech. It was a good speech to keep everybody's chin up, and I appreciate the gesture. I am sure the folks back at the factory when they heard it, gave them heart.

[FerrariPassion]

I really like Alonso a lot, I dont think of him as ' the all mighty savior of Ferrari', never have. I think he's a great addition to the team. Though I still want to see Massa just kick his ass in a race I do like the combo of Alonso and Massa at Ferrari. Both are very emotional and animated. Im a big fan of both.

Yes, I miss Kimi being there, but life goes on, I got over it 5 minutes after the news broke. Im still a very very big Kimi fan, and get slack for still being a dedicated Ferrari Fan ..I laugh at the Ferrari Haters whining all day long. Funny, if they hate them so much why do they pay attention to everything they do. Sorry get over it Kimis not there anymore, suck it up, get over it. He chose not to stay in F1. I am very happy hes enjoying WRC.

I really hope Ferrari comes back to the front, I know they will put everything they can into it. And besides its fun to see the Ferrari Haters Day ruined

[slither]

grappig een turkse moraal ridder....

Neden gidip hitlerin seni becerdigini hayal ederek kendini tatmin etmiyorsun? :)

[vcs316]

[QUOTE=Julius;613321]This is where we differ; I do feel that all of them think and go through before and after the race the broadcasted interaction and how it sounded, and why and what they maybe say/said. It's only human. Pointing that out, and especially that this one sounded to me like pr talk, shouldn't make me a troll or a liar.[QUOTE]

Yeah right. Instead of race strategy they talk about what to say on the radio before and after the race. Instead of concentrating on the start they concentrate on "broadcast interaction" and how they sound.

Do they practice what to say & how to say in front of the mirror or they have simulators for that too?

[Katu]

after the race they know exactly well when team radio will be brodcasted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdXf-KPcEw4 exaple could be Webbers 'not bad for nr2 driver' he knew that everyone would hear it. Fernando had the time in the world to come up with this and i believe also it's a part of PR talk, but motivating to team aswell. still two sided thing

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

anybody know where i can hear Alonso's radio message after the british gp??

[Naeem]

Murray Walker thinks Fernando will win the WDC, who are we to say any different.

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Murray Walker thinks Fernando will win the WDC, who are we to say any different.

yeah i saw that too....and i'll take that too! :)

[Julius]

Yeah right. Instead of race strategy they talk about what to say on the radio before and after the race.

C'moon, did I say that? What I suggested was that maybe the drivers think about it while "having a ...", as a last thought before falling into sleep, during the breakfast, or what do I know. Not "instead of race strategy".

Reading skills people.

And yeah, this is definitely not a black and white issue.

[vcs316]

C'moon, did I say that? What I suggested was that maybe the drivers think about it while "having a ...", as a last thought before falling into sleep, during the breakfast, or what do I know. Not "instead of race strategy".

Reading skills people.

And yeah, this is definitely not a black and white issue.

The following line is exactly what you said:

"I do feel that all of them think and go through before and after the race the broadcasted interaction and how it sounded, and why and what they maybe say/said."

Maybe you meant, this is what they think before going to sleep or during breakfast. I find it very hard to believe that before the race (while sleeping or over breakfast) drivers would think what to say over the radio and how they sound. Wouldn't they go over strategies/start/race craft/ self motivation rather than what to say over the radio? Its Formula 1 racing championship not Formula 1 radio championship.

We can read all right Julius and this is what we are reading into your post.

[Julius]

Its Formula 1 racing championship not Formula 1 radio championship.

I'm beginning to think as well that maybe this is blowing out of proportion, but you don't find it credible that they would be able to do both with relative ease?

I mean they would think about their ego like while walking into race tactic palaver, or at some point before and after the race - you know, while waking up or falling to sleep. Is that really so hard to believe?

Anywhoo, Vettel seems to think too that all drivers are egoists. Original story was in Der Spiegel.

"Every driver is an egotist because you go down in Formula One if you aren't"

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/62...s-are-egotists

[vcs316]

I'm beginning to think as well that maybe this is blowing out of proportion, but you don't find it credible that they would be able to do both with relative ease?

You are right, It is being blown out of proportion and I don't find it credible that they would plan radio communication.

Top 10 radio moments from f1fanatic:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/1...moments-video/

I highly doubt any of these would be planned...

Lets agree to disagree on this topic

[Julius]

I highly doubt any of these would be planned...

I absolutely doubt it too! And that wasn't the point. I still think that for instance both webber and alonso concerning the last race planned - at some point - what to say in the finish, were aware of the broadcast and thought about it afterwards.

Lets agree to disagree on this topic

Haha yeah lets do that.

[Tifosi]

I absolutely doubt it too! And that wasn't the point. I still think that for instance both webber and alonso concerning the last race planned - at some point - what to say in the finish, were aware of the broadcast and thought about it afterwards.

Webber probably thought up his "Number 2" outburst on the spur of the moment. It was hardly the Gettysburg address was it? Just a bitter driver thinking on his feet in a situation. Drivers are quite intelligent you know. It's a skill of most moderately intelligent people to think on their feet (or bum in an F1 driver's case) and speak accordingly.

It doesn't take a genious to say something motivational or indeed sarcastic, either from the heart or the brain. No complex themes or play on words were involved, time wasn't needed to process the nature of what was said or ponder "Ah..... that's clever.... I see what he's done there, he's using an allegory to describe his struggle against the Red Bull oppressors!"

Do you think Heikki Kovalainen has a pre-planned radio nugget then just in case he wins.... in case he can't think of summat meaningful, highly original and from the heart should the occasion arise? Maybe he practices the pronounciation of "Colin Chapman" so that it will sound "really British" and therefore more meaningful if he ever has to use it.

I think Lewis could do with some tips from Alonso and Webber though. Shouting "woooo" and "you guys" all the time is a real waste of an opportunity.

Perhaps Alonso is building us up to a great catalogue of rhetorical speeches, starting with his rousing yet highly patronising (according to you) team builder all the way through to "The Alonso Guide To Life and ultimate fulfillment" which he might be able to fit in after the flag at Spa (nice long track ) - maybe even a couple of adverts for personal sponsors and a song too.

Sorry, my sarcasm took over there

[Ant Raikkonen]

Webber probably thought up his "Number 2" outburst on the spur of the moment. It was hardly the Gettysburg address was it? Just a bitter driver thinking on his feet in a situation. Drivers are quite intelligent you know. It's a skill of most moderately intelligent people to think on their feet (or bum in an F1 driver's case) and speak accordingly.

It doesn't take a genious to say something motivational or indeed sarcastic, either from the heart or the brain. No complex themes or play on words were involved, time wasn't needed to process the nature of what was said or ponder "Ah..... that's clever.... I see what he's done there, he's using an allegory to describe his struggle against the Red Bull oppressors!"

Do you think Heikki Kovalainen has a pre-planned radio nugget then just in case he wins.... in case he can't think of summat meaningful, highly original and from the heart should the occasion arise? Maybe he practices the pronounciation of "Colin Chapman" so that it will sound "really British" and therefore more meaningful if he ever has to use it.

I think Lewis could do with some tips from Alonso and Webber though. Shouting "woooo" and "you guys" all the time is a real waste of an opportunity.

Perhaps Alonso is building us up to a great catalogue of rhetorical speeches, starting with his rousing yet highly patronising (according to you) team builder all the way through to "The Alonso Guide To Life and ultimate fulfillment" which he might be able to fit in after the flag at Spa (nice long track ) - maybe even a couple of adverts for personal sponsors and a song too.

Sorry, my sarcasm took over there

Don't apologise. It was like a mirror to my soul!

Indeed, Spa's a very long lap but the post race inlap doesn't even get as far as the bottom of Eau Rouge does it.
Was perfect for Kimi & his "on the beaches" rhetorics.

[Julius]

Sorry, my sarcasm took over there

So I see and that is cool. Sarcasm is something I appreciate.

However, and I was hoping it didn't have to come to this, but you guys leave me no options. Yes, I'm afraid so, we have to resort to social-psychology. And first of all we have to consider what is meant by "thinking" in social interaction.

You do know that identities are socially constructed. In interaction with others we build an image of ourselves, and then act accordingly, whether it is done consciously or not. It is therefore difficult to define the degree we think and act spontaneously, or "with our feet".

So it's maybe not relevant to ask whether drivers drivels come from the "heart" or the "brain". Maybe it would be better to ask in what kind of mental state each individual is, and how does that and his reaction relate to his identity. Webber for instance said what he said because of frustration to reality - or the actions of his team in his opinion - being not in accordance with his self image as a title contender.

It's the same with alonso. After a badly driven race some image repair was needed. Now, how spontaneous these actions were, we can only speculate. But surely they acted according to their identity or the way they're ego tells them to. Whether this is from the "heart" or "brain" is in my opinion purely a rhetorical question. What is sure is that both of these were deliberate, and I bet even the choice of words were pondered - which is not to say that everything drivers say on radio is.

If you think that the drivers are not aware of their speeches being broadcasted all over the world, and that they are not doing any mental work on it, you are kidding yourselves.

Ok, sorry for this silly jargon haha, clearly I have too much time on my hands. There are many sides to the story. If I remember correctly, kovalainens girlfriend is a sports psychologists or sorts, and maybe that's why he behaves like he does - in a more mentally healthy way - and drives a lotus.

[Tifosi]

So I see and that is cool. Sarcasm is something I appreciate.

However, and I was hoping it didn't have to come to this, but you guys leave me no options. Yes, I'm afraid so, we have to resort to social-psychology. And first of all we have to consider what is meant by "thinking" in social interaction.

You do know that identities are socially constructed. In interaction with others we build an image of ourselves, and then act accordingly, whether it is done consciously or not. It is therefore difficult to define the degree we think and act spontaneously, or "with our feet".

So it's maybe not relevant to ask whether drivers drivels come from the "heart" or the "brain". Maybe it would be better to ask in what kind of mental state each individual is, and how does that and his reaction relate to his identity. Webber for instance said what he said because of frustration to reality - or the actions of his team in his opinion - being not in accordance with his self image as a title contender.

It's the same with alonso. After a badly driven race some image repair was needed. Now, how spontaneous these actions were, we can only speculate. But surely they acted according to their identity or the way they're ego tells them to. Whether this is from the "heart" or "brain" is in my opinion purely a rhetorical question. What is sure is that both of these were deliberate, and I bet even the choice of words were pondered - which is not to say that everything drivers say on radio is.

If you think that the drivers are not aware of their speeches being broadcasted all over the world, and that they are not doing any mental work on it, you are kidding yourselves.

Ok, sorry for this silly jargon haha, clearly I have too much time on my hands. There are many sides to the story. If I remember correctly, kovalainens girlfriend is a sports psychologists or sorts, and maybe that's why he behaves like he does - in a more mentally healthy way - and drives a lotus.

Remind me never to break my leg dude, I didn't realise just how bored it can make you heheh

[Julius]

just how bored

You have no idea man, lacking words.

[Suzie]

If you think that the drivers are not aware of their speeches being broadcasted all over the world, and that they are not doing any mental work on it, you are kidding yourselves.

Aw, I prefer to take the sentimental view that it's all spontaneous; said on the spur of the moment and coming straight from the heart. Like the Felipe quote in my sig from Interlagos 2008 - no way was that pre-planned, it was raw emotion. (Okay, okay, I'll take my rose-tinted specs off now.)

Having said that, I have no time for Mark Webber's passive-aggressive radio messages, Jenson's 'Yeah BABY!' or Vettel's whooping. Yuk.