Alonso team radio after the checkered flag

[kingjuani]

Ok!!! I like Fernando and he s talented, fast etc!!! YES he also wont 2 WDC s which is GREAT! but guys stop praising him too much ,let him prove first at Scuderia! look how many mistakes he has been made throughout this season? Look at Kubica and Rosberg, they both have less powered cars and they are doing a great job so far. Fernando is under performing this year with a better machine, Just imagine what will be everyone s reaction if this is Kimi?

why dont you compare him with what Massa is doing? how long has Massa been at Ferrari, ok thats the difference!! enough said

[Rishu]

I agree, how can anyone be excited with our cars coming 14th and 15th respectively?
come on get real..

Alonzo was supposed to be the saviour of our tream, but we appear to be going backwards ever since he came..

I have been a Ferrari supporter for 50 years, but have never been an Alonzo supporter, because of his temperament and I think it's time the Ferrari supporters woke up to the fact that he's an opportunist and a dud..

I think you understand Alonso better than anybody else, that’s why you didn’t mention performances of Domenically, Stewards, Massa & straight away blasted one guy who wants to lift the spirit in the team

[kingjuani]

I agree, how can anyone be excited with our cars coming 14th and 15th respectively?
come on get real..

Alonzo was supposed to be the saviour of our tream, but we appear to be going backwards ever since he came..

I have been a Ferrari supporter for 50 years, but have never been an Alonzo supporter, because of his temperament and I think it's time the Ferrari supporters woke up to the fact that he's an opportunist and a dud..

Its Alonso, not Alonzo!!..i am surprised that being a supporter for 50yrs..u still dont understand the sport..did u expect miracles from a first yr driver at a team like ferrari? well if u did then i suppose u are a schumi fan and how long did it take him?? u make no sense..the season is half way through..you will eat your words at the end of the season

[FFFerrari]

Its Alonso, not Alonzo!!..i am surprised that being a supporter for 50yrs..u still dont understand the sport..did u expect miracles from a first yr driver at a team like ferrari? well if u did then i suppose u are a schumi fan and how long did it take him?? u make no sense..the season is half way through..you will eat your words at the end of the season

A certain driver did win WDC on his first year on Ferrari, and this didn't happen 50 years ago. It's funny how some people forget recent events...

[Agron]

I haven't contributed much to the forum, but now I have to say it is interesting - to say the least - how such an obvious media stunt could be turned in to a "beautiful moment". I mean really, alonso got fresh tires just couple of laps before the end, made the fastest lap on fumes, and probably after the safety car did nothing else but planned what to say in the finish to save at least something of his reputation.

It's so obvious and totally his style, to which he's also forced to because of the ridiculous spanish press depicting him as an all capable semi god doing never anything wrong.

All this doesn't of course mean that you guys can't be "proud" even if the last race or the season as a whole has been going pretty much down the toilet. As there are now four serious title contenders, it is unlikely that all of them will crumble.

It remains to be seen how alonsos "champion" rhetoric will then change as the season goes on.

He could be saving children in Africa and people would still find room to criticize him XD
IMO, to tell his team he is completely confident in them to the point of winning the championship and that race-wrecking penalties or not he still thinks they can recover, all this during the worst result for Ferrari in years -through pure dumb bad luck- is invaluable from a team leadership and morale raising point of view. What would you prefer, him cursing his luck or whoever told him not to give back the position, or remaining silent and letting the media onslaught to rain on the team and drivers?
Besides, what he said is either true, or very optimistic yet not unlikely the way all others raced so far.

Becool70, don't insult people, you are in a forum and people have the right to think otherwise.

A certain driver did win WDC on his first year on Ferrari, and this didn't happen 50 years ago. It's funny how some people forget recent events...

Don't insult our intelligence please, he did win it in the fastest car, while the other only threat was imploding on itself. Now we have had 1-2 teams ahead of us all season and had not a chance of even sniffing a pole.

[FFFerrari]

Don't insult our intelligence please, he did win it in the fastest car, while the other only threat was imploding on itself. Now we have had 1-2 teams ahead of us all season and had not a chance of even sniffing a pole.

Have to agree on that, but the question was what were the expectations of Alonso in the start of the season and simply put I expected him to win the WDC and lead the team to WCC because of all the hype. Now it seems that he is just another driver, even if pretty optimistic one in his comments. If (and it's a very big if) he wins WDC this season it truly is a miracle.

And if you claim that McL weren't competitive in 2007, you didn't watch the races back then. Ferrari IS competitive right now, it's just that the team needs to start working as a unit and the drivers need to stop making continous mistakes. If FA's little speechs motivates them to reach that goal, fine with me. But I doubt that.

[Hermann]

Have to agree on that, but the question was what were the expectations of Alonso in the start of the season and simply put I expected him to win the WDC and lead the team to WCC because of all the hype. Now it seems that he is just another driver, even if pretty optimistic one in his comments. If (and it's a very big if) he wins WDC this season it truly is a miracle.

And if you claim that McL weren't competitive in 2007, you didn't watch the races back then. Ferrari IS competitive right now, it's just that the team needs to start working as a unit and the drivers need to stop making continous mistakes. If FA's little speechs motivates them to reach that goal, fine with me. But I doubt that.

Thats why one should never fall to 'media hype' or 'team hype'. I never expected Fernando to just step into the car and win the next title, why did you? Its not realistic, no matter how much 'hype'.

[FFFerrari]

Thats why one should never fall to 'media hype' or 'team hype'. I never expected Fernando to just step into the car and win the next title, why did you? Its not realistic, no matter how much 'hype'.

Because I'm a blind follower of Ferrari and believe everything they say without a question. That is the way a true fan should act, right?

Just kidding - but I honestly believed that Alonso would make a difference for the better but it seems it even might be for the worse. Except the amount of comments to the press, that has increased

[Hermann]

Because I'm a blind follower of Ferrari and believe everything they say without a question. That is the way a true fan should act, right?

Just kidding - but I honestly believed that Alonso would make a difference for the better but it seems it even might be for the worse. Except the amount of comments to the press, that has increased

No reason to be a 'blind follower' its always possible to have your own thoughts. I always supported Ferrari but i'm a sceptic by nature and PR speak never impressed me.

We are hearing quite a lot of said PR speak atm, obviously many people like it that way, and of course its better to hear optimism instead of 'ok we give up'. Unfortunately, most likely, this is the next we are going to hear- i suppose. At a certain time, Ferrari will have to concentrate on next season.

But for now, they are still fighting, and thats they way it should be. no?

[mad_ani]

Another Idiot!!! Temperament?? THATS HOW WE LATINS ARE!!!! SO IF U DONT LIKE IT THERE A PLENTY OTHER TEAMS TO GO FOR...MCLAREN MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED TO YOUR ANGLO BLOOD!!!

If everyone supported teams of their nationality, you must be rooting for Hispania racing...maybe its better suited to your temperaments




Honestly, Alonso was much calmer and calculated after this race even though he lost out more than in Valencia...guess he has focussed his energy to positive attitudes...

[NJB13]

There's only two things I can't stand;
people who are intolerant of others ..... and .....
trolls

[Julius]

IMO, to tell his team he is completely confident in them to the point of winning the championship and that race-wrecking penalties or not he still thinks they can recover, all this during the worst result for Ferrari in years -through pure dumb bad luck- is invaluable from a team leadership and morale raising point of view.

Well where we don't agree is that the result of the race was due to "pure dumb bad luck".

As already many have said, alonso first messed up the start, then hit his teammate (no matter whose fault), fail to overtake kupica fair and square, and finally failed tactic-wise to give into and didn't let kupica pass immediately.

And this is just me speculating, don't really know the truth, but I kind of feel that it was alonso himself who at the end made the decision not to let kupica pass. It was crystal clear, for all, that it is not gonna end well for him, especially for the guys at the wall - it simply must have been. I feel that alonso is a prisoner of his own unrealistic reputation and fan expectations, and very much under pressure at the moment, which leads to silly mistakes and miscalculations.

Another thing I have always wandered is the fact that the technical people of any F1 team must be very professional - no? I mean maybe the level of professionalism is higher at NASA, but even they don't get paid as much. So do these people, especially the likes at ferrari or mclaren, really need this naive drivel, a lá hamilton or alonso, to feel motivated. Like really?

So after a terrible drive like the last race, is it wise for any driver to lecture about morals to team or is it just maybe more media and fan talk?

[Tifosi]

Well where we don't agree is that the result of the race was due to "pure dumb bad luck".

As already many have said, alonso first messed up the start, then hit his teammate (no matter whose fault), fail to overtake kupica fair and square, and finally failed tactic-wise to give into and didn't let kupica pass immediately.

And this is just me speculating, don't really know the truth, but I kind of feel that it was alonso himself who at the end made the decision not to let kupica pass. It was crystal clear, for all, that it is not gonna end well for him, especially for the guys at the wall - it simply must have been. I feel that alonso is a prisoner of his own unrealistic reputation and fan expectations, and very much under pressure at the moment, which leads to silly mistakes and miscalculations.

Another thing I have always wandered is the fact that the technical people of any F1 team must be very professional - no? I mean maybe the level of professionalism is higher at NASA, but even they don't get paid as much. So do these people, especially the likes at ferrari or mclaren, really need this naive drivel, a lá hamilton or alonso, to feel motivated. Like really?

So after a terrible drive like the last race, is it wise for any driver to lecture about morals to team or is it just maybe more media and fan talk?

I agree that it wasn't bad luck, it was all manufactured by us. However, if you really think Alonso is full of naive drivel, and that engineers don't need any other motivation than cash, then you don't seem to understand much about the people of whom you speak.

Alonso is always very guarded in what he says so it is at worst indicative of how he feels about the car currently, not that he's suddenly become totally unrealistic. Whatever gets you up in the morning, good for you. You don't seem to understand what drives the members of the Ferrari team - that's for sure

Your assumptions about people, motivation, professionalism and pressure are exactly as you say, speculation.

[Julius]

I agree that it wasn't bad luck, it was all manufactured by us. However, if you really think Alonso is full of naive drivel, and that engineers don't need any other motivation than cash, then you don't seem to understand much about the people of whom you speak.

I totally respect your views on this, but did I say engineers wouldn't need any other motivators than cash? No, what I said was that when you work for somebody like ferrari - or nasa - then maybe your level of professionalism goes beyond "ah, the driver motivated me, now I will do my job considerably better then if he hadn't because this has always been my professional tactics, and it has got me where I am now".

Thats all. I strongly feel that the drivel is down to showing "teimgeist" to media, fans etc. and building your personal brand - both alonso and hamilton do this in a distinctive and lame manner, as do many others too.

[Hermann]

I totally respect your views on this, but did I say engineers wouldn't need any other motivators than cash? No, what I said was that when you work for somebody like ferrari - or nasa - then maybe your level of professionalism goes beyond "ah, the driver motivated me, now I will do my job considerably better then if he hadn't because this has always been my professional tactics, and it has got me where I am now".

Thats all. I strongly feel that the drivel is down to showing "teimgeist" to media, fans etc. and building your personal brand - both alonso and hamilton do this in a distinctive and lame manner, as do many others too.

Its 'teamgeist'. And objection, Hamilton does that in a lot more lame manner.

[Tifosi]

I totally respect your views on this, but did I say engineers wouldn't need any other motivators than cash? No, what I said was that when you work for somebody like ferrari - or nasa - then maybe your level of professionalism goes beyond "ah, the driver motivated me, now I will do my job considerably better then if he hadn't because this has always been my professional tactics, and it has got me where I am now".

Thats all. I strongly feel that the drivel is down to showing "teimgeist" to media, fans etc. and building your personal brand - both alonso and hamilton do this in a distinctive and lame manner, as do many others too.

cool mate

However, you are suggesting that the engineers would feel patronised by Alonso's comments and not motivated by them. This is a rather cynical supposition if you don't mind me saying so (and i'm a master of cynacism ).

I also don't see how you can compare these comments with Hamilton. Lewis wants to be loved so badly that he overcompensates with rhetoric ("drive my heart out" etc. etc.) trying to convince everyone how good he is and how hard he tries. I haven't spotted Alonso doing that.

All drivers and team members have to give endless soundbytes to the media - that's part of their job. The only driver who got away with that was Kimi. I think you may be confusing a little genuine emotion in Alonso's case with the usual PR friendly soundbytes. He has a working relationship with his engineers - why patronise them? He's not stupid.

Better an emotive pro-team soundbyte than the kind of thing Mark Webber does i.e. uses the media to moan and plant political seeds back at Red Bull.

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

I agree, how can anyone be excited with our cars coming 14th and 15th respectively?
come on get real..

Alonzo was supposed to be the saviour of our tream, but we appear to be going backwards ever since he came..

I have been a Ferrari supporter for 50 years, but have never been an Alonzo supporter, because of his temperament and I think it's time the Ferrari supporters woke up to the fact that he's an opportunist and a dud..

You got it right mate! We all want to see Alonso and Massa Wins, but I feel he causes more drama and showing anger on the grid. He should be concentrating more on racing than showing his frustrations towerds Lewis and Mecca s. I know lot of Alonso fans are going to be mad of my comments. But this is just what I seee!!!

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Funny how there are always wet blankets like you to spoil a beautiful moment!!! Idiot!!

This is a family forum! so use respectful words. I rather like to see Ferrari wins and be on top than praise our drivers who comes 14th and 15th and be okay with it.

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Another Idiot!!! Temperament?? THATS HOW WE LATINS ARE!!!! SO IF U DONT LIKE IT THERE A PLENTY OTHER TEAMS TO GO FOR...MCLAREN MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED TO YOUR ANGLO BLOOD!!!

Hellow Mr Latin!!! so you r a another spanish guy who started watching F1 after Fernando started to drive for Ferrari? you should go and learn F1 and ferrari history first before making anymore comments.

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Just stick to Indy cars mate u have no idea and u are embarrazing yourself!!

HAHAHHAAHAH! how many F1 races have you been to? i am a Ferrari fan for last 20 years. Are you just started high school? spanish idiot!!!

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Comments like this make intelligent conversation impossible on these forums.

Very true! these kids should be banned from this forum!

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Its Alonso, not Alonzo!!..i am surprised that being a supporter for 50yrs..u still dont understand the sport..did u expect miracles from a first yr driver at a team like ferrari? well if u did then i suppose u are a schumi fan and how long did it take him?? u make no sense..the season is half way through..you will eat your words at the end of the season

When Schumi came to Ferrari! the team was nothing and he made them what they are today, it was a total different situation. But Ferrari just won a world Title couple of years ago and we have everything. For example Jenson is on his first year on Mclaren and he s far less driver than Fernando....isnt he doing pretty well so far in his first year? so just deal with the facts and dont give excuses. Fernando made way too many mistakes so far.

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

If everyone supported teams of their nationality, you must be rooting for Hispania racing...maybe its better suited to your temperaments




Honestly, Alonso was much calmer and calculated after this race even though he lost out more than in Valencia...guess he has focussed his energy to positive attitudes...

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! WELL SAID MATE! GO HISPANIA....LOL

[DIEK]

You don´t jest of Hispania ...Karun Chandok is cool ...

And I tell you one thing, Alonso will do everything as possible to win the championship, you will see...

[Julius]

This is a rather cynical supposition if you don't mind me saying so

Haha no I don't mind at all. But would it then be fair to say that the engineers probably are pros who neither feel patronised nor motivated - or at least don't let it affect their work, considering that they are already doing their best - by driver comments, but know that it is a part of the job and sport.

Although I do recognize that we are all humans, also Kimi who in his un-humanness was maybe more human then the average driver. Also stepney comes into mind, who, if my memory serves me right, did what he did being denied career advancement.

What is real emotion and what not by individual drivers is then maybe best left each fan to decide for himself. Especially considering that majority of us, including me, don't really know them at all.

I personally bet they're all a bunch of baby narcissists, to whom the engineers and business people laugh at behind their backs. But yeah, that would the cynic in me talking.

[Liscia]

This is the spirit that only Ferrari can bring out in people! I never thought i"d
hear it from Alonso but it isn't just cheap talk but a declaration of hope, desire
and passion to achieve the greatness that has become synonymous with our
team! Ferrari is THE REAL DEAL and no other team will ever come close.

[Tifoso]

HAHAHHAAHAH! how many F1 races have you been to? i am a Ferrari fan for last 20 years. Are you just started high school? spanish idiot!!!

NOT ALLOWED TSN Mod

[xpman]

what matter is this noughing else .so please stop bickiring like Webber and RedBull is Not good. . Mr Alonso and the rest of the Team know what they have to do .

[KimiF60]

Just reminds me of why i love Fernando and Ferrari

[Ste]

I agree, how can anyone be excited with our cars coming 14th and 15th respectively?
come on get real..

Alonzo was supposed to be the saviour of our tream, but we appear to be going backwards ever since he came..

I have been a Ferrari supporter for 50 years, but have never been an Alonzo supporter, because of his temperament and I think it's time the Ferrari supporters woke up to the fact that he's an opportunist and a dud..

Firstly, couple of things. If you're supporting our team, at least learn how to spell out drivers' names. No 'z' in Alonso. 'Tream' isn't a word. For someone who is supposedly well over 50, your spelling astounds me!

Now to the real thing.

Who is excited about coming 14th and 15th? I don't recall anyone even suggesting that. Infact, the post you quoted doesn't even mention the result, so where you get that idea from I really don't know.

How do you suppose we've gone backwards since Alonso arrived early this year? I seem to re-call a certain F60 being un-driveable and I also re-call a Mr.Raikkonen being completely useless for his final two seasons. So going on the basis that we were awful in 2009, our supposed top driver was useless and we had no good results, how do you think we've gone backwards?

I see us sitting P5 in the WDC, not too far behind the others, despite some incredibly bad luck. We've had one win and should have had at least another 2, probably 3. Fernando has only made two mistakes this year and has fully made up for those errors after some incredible drives. Nothing he could have done about shocking backmarkers at Montreal or having no clutch in Malaysia or being taken out in Turn 1 in Australia.

As I posted in the other thread, without these issues, he'd be sitting pretty at the top of the standings. I doubt you'd be saying he was a dud then!

Following on from that, I'm also amazed that you think a double World Champion is a dud. You don't win World Championships by simply driving around for a few laps. He beat Schumacher to the title in 2006 and a very quick Raikkonen in 2005. He was equal best, if not the best driver on the grid during the 2005 and 2006 seasons and by far the best through 2007, 2008 and 2009. Then we come to this year and I still think he's by far and away the best driver on the grid.

I'm more than happy with his performance, his attitude, his personality and his mentality. Going to end this mini-rant anyway, but I suggest you revise that absurd opinion pretty quickly!