German GP Race Thread

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 15:41

Originally Posted by arunkshrestha

So will Massa be forced to move aside for Alonso from now on, everytime he's ahead so that Alonso can maximise his point count? Suppose it's Massa, Rosberg, Alonso. Will Ferrari make him move behind Alonso so that Alonso get's the extra points from coming 2nd instead of 3rd?

Yes

**ferrari4life** · 25th July 2010, 15:41

If the FIA do anything about this..they can kiss the season good bye..There will be a ton of Ferrari fans demanding blood. If the FIA an honetly stand up and say that they have not overlooked similar situation from other teams then they are welcome to throw the first stone..

Man Ferrari made a big old blunder of this..

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:42

Im VERY WORRIED, FIA will do ANYTHING to finish Ferrari.

Lets get real here, there is one rule for McLaren and another for Ferrari, its been obvious for the last 2/3 races.

**Shahid** · 25th July 2010, 15:42

I dont get this bs that they if they are doing team orders they should do it "cleverly" - how the hell that make it any better. If people are going to get on their high horse about team the ethics of team orders then it shouldn't matter how they are carried out. Complete joke.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:43

Originally Posted by Shahid

I dont get this bs that they if they are doing team orders they should do it "cleverly" - how the hell that make it any better. If people are going to get on their high horse about team the ethics of team orders then it shouldn't matter how they are carried out. Complete joke.

Indeed, Mike Gascoigne saying they all do it and have codewords so how is it any different lol

**Rookie** · 25th July 2010, 15:43

Originally Posted by Greig

Or maybe he never asked Rob and took the podium as he deserved for this great 1-2 for Ferrari

Yeah he does deserve the praise for a good result even though he makes the same excuses everytime the team makes a big muck up of the strategy. Let him hog all the attention and sort out the mess they've made.

**Grinsomx** · 25th July 2010, 15:43

Originally Posted by Shahid

I dont get this bs that they if they are doing team orders they should do it "cleverly" - how the hell that make it any better. If people are going to get on their high horse about team the ethics of team orders then it shouldn't matter how they are carried out. Complete joke.

+1

**Sianellen** · 25th July 2010, 15:43

Originally Posted by Ste

Let's flip the tables for a moment. Massa needed Kimi to move over in China 2008 so he had a shot at the World Championship. Could he not have won it by himself?

Not being petty though, let me continue.

Why has Alonso not won a race by himself this season? A number of reasons. Clutch failure in Malaysia cost him a potential victory, but definitely a better result. He was faster than Felipe even with no clutch.

Contact in T1 in Melbourne cost him either P2 or a win, still drove through the field there.

Safety Car in Valencia cost him a shot at victory.

Montreal he lost the win because of shocking backmarkers.

Essentially, he could have won 2 or 3 more races, without problems that have nothing to do with him. He made the error at the start in China and crashed in Monaco, could have probably won in Monaco.

Why has he made so many mistakes this season? Let's not get into mistakes Massa has made shall we. Really don't know why you feel the need to bash Alonso because of the result. If you want to bash someone, then bash the team - it was their decision, not Alonso's.

I wonder if Felipe feels that Kimi stole his win in Brazil 2007?

I don't really think we lost any integrity. If everyone on TV had have said Ferrari were right to do it then nobody would be complaining at all.

If Alonso wins the WDC by a couple of points, then it will be worth it, no? Nobody will be moaning then.

I don't like cheating, whoever benifits. Alonso has made mistakes and so has Felipe. We are where we are in the championship because thats where we deserve to be.

**Shahid** · 25th July 2010, 15:44

Felipe says he led Fernando through - so as far as the FIA are concerned there were no team orders - case closed.

**aroutis** · 25th July 2010, 15:44

First and foremost, FORZA FERRARI, I was hoping for an #1,#3, but they did an #1/#2, so hey, even better!

Other than that and on the topic that monopolizes the pages, I am sorry but I feel that the TEAM did the one right thing.

As many stated, this IS a TEAM sport and people should work for the team and this is what happened today. Team orders are as old as F1,
as old as hypocricy really...

**romitfernandes** · 25th July 2010, 15:44

I doubt the FIA will do something as silly as penalizing Ferrari.If they dare do that they will have to face a battery of lawyers from Ferrari. And will have to prove it court of law.How are they going to prove this.???It's simple they cannot.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:44

Originally Posted by Rookie

Yeah he does deserve some some praise even though he makes the same excuses everytime the team makes a big muck up of the strategy. Let him hog all the attention and sort out the mess they've made.

Stefano is our strategy guy as well? woah he must be run ragged every race

**ferrari1.8t** · 25th July 2010, 15:44

It is easy to forget, but many people need to realize that both Fernando and Felipe are race car drivers, racing is their job. Sometimes in racing you are lucky to have a car that allows both you and your team mate to fight for 1st place. Today, we had that car and if Felipe didn’t “move over” he would have held up Fernando and eventually allowed Sebastian and possibly the macca’s to catch up. Ferrari is in the business of winning; races and titles. To do so, we need points!

Felipe is a good man whose heart beats on Ferrari’s blood. He did what was right and good for the team. That is why Ferrari resigned his contract. I am proud of both drivers. Congratulations to Fernando, Felipe and Ferrari...we are finally back in our rightful place on the podium!

FORZA FERRARI

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 15:45

Originally Posted by Shahid

Felipe says he led Fernando through - so as far as the FIA are concerned there were no team orders - case closed.

Of course he let him through. The difference is, was it because he wanted to, or because the team told him to.

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:45

Originally Posted by ferrari4life

Man Ferrari made a big old blunder of this..

Huge Blunder.

Embarassment.

I'm telling you, Luca D is the man, without him, we are finished, you know we were probably gonna keep Kimi 'overrated' Raikonnen until Luca put his foot down and made sure Alonso got on board.

Smedley saying one thing, Press bloke saying another thing, Domenicalli saying another thing, rob saying sorry on the radio.

Ross Brawn wouldnt allow such slackness imo.

**Raz** · 25th July 2010, 15:45

They should have had "Heikki Mixture 5, Mixture 5!" or something

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:45

Originally Posted by arunkshrestha

Of course he let him through. The difference is, was it because he wanted to, or because the team told him to.

Did Jenson want to let Lewis win in Turkey? or was he told.....

**Raz** · 25th July 2010, 15:47

Schumi's take on this was rather 'interesting'

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 15:47

Originally Posted by Greig

Did Jenson want to let Lewis win in Turkey? or was he told.....

I think that had Jenson made that pass stick then McLaren would have told them to hold station in either case. "Hold Station" is also different to "move over and let him pass".

**romitfernandes** · 25th July 2010, 15:47

Conserve fuel jenson.,....alias for team order in mclaren

**Ste** · 25th July 2010, 15:48

Originally Posted by Sianellen

I don't like cheating, whoever benifits. Alonso has made mistakes and so has Felipe. We are where we are in the championship because thats where we deserve to be.

It's not cheating. It's team orders. Massa could quite easily have not done it if he wasn't happy about it.

Of course, he wouldn't disobey the team though.

**maho** · 25th July 2010, 15:49

Stewards have summoned the Ferrari bosses.

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 15:49

Originally Posted by romitfernandes

Conserve fuel jenson.,....alias for team order in mclaren

It was Hamilton who was told to converse fuel today, not Button.

**Ferrarichamp** · 25th July 2010, 15:49

It was funny to hear Horner criticize Ferrari after the race. Fact is Vettel was too slow to pass either Alonso or Massa, so 3rd is the best result they could hope for. Ferrari beat RBR today, get over it.

**pesquisa_2004** · 25th July 2010, 15:49

Originally Posted by Shahid

I dont get this bs that they if they are doing team orders they should do it "cleverly" - how the hell that make it any better. If people are going to get on their high horse about team the ethics of team orders then it shouldn't matter how they are carried out. Complete joke.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:49

Originally Posted by arunkshrestha

I think that had Jenson made that pass stick then McLaren would have told them to hold station in either case. "Hold Station" is also different to "move over and let him pass".

Is it a team order?

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:50

Originally Posted by Raz

They should have had "Heikki Mixture 5, Mixture 5!" or something

LMAO.

'Honest' Ron Dennis, he was a legend wasnt he, he always let driver race, he never sabotaged other drivers tyre pressures or did any team orders.

Guys, here's how it works.

If British drivers break the rules, its okay, the other didnt take advantage and are whining.

When non british drivers do it, it ruins the spectacle.

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 15:51

Originally Posted by Greig

Is it a team order?

Yes, but not one that deliberately manipulates the order in the race, which is what the FIA frowns upon.

**criderman** · 25th July 2010, 15:51

Originally Posted by vcs316

Can both the drivers win the WDC? No.

Which driver has the best chance to bring the No. 1 back to Maranello? Alonso.

Massa understands why he was asked to do what he was asked to do. Maybe you should too...

Wow did you talk to Felipe after the race? What did he tell you? You obviously think that you know whats going through his mind about the situation...I have always supported the TEAM but when something stinks all to hell then im gonna say something about it..excuse me for having sportsmanship and thinking that things should be fair Mr. Condescending...I just think that the best car and the best driver should win and not be handed anything!!! Bring a title back to Maranello...i'd love for that to happen..but not this way...