German GP Race Thread

[Effone]

If Ferrari get penalised and we lose the win, then Massa and Rob should be ashamed of himself. Yes it was an order, I dont deny that but it is a team sport and whoever has the bigger chance of challenging for the WDC, i.e. Alonso, then Massa should act as the support driver instead of making it clearly look like an order. Rob and Massa did a bad job today.

Nothing will happen. dont worry

But it wouldn't be Rob and Massa's fault.. it would be the ones giving them the order in the first place..

[Greig]

Nothing will happen. dont worry

But it wouldn't be Rob and Massa's fault.. it would be the ones giving them the order in the first place..

Go speak to Luca Di

[maho]

I bet Massa wants to just scream!

[Julie B]

You can't blame the engineer and driver, these decisions come from the top

[Tech_Skill]

I bet Massa wants to just scream!

Massa was SUPERB today.

Full credit to him, he is back no two ways about it.

But Ferrari have got to think about the bigger picture. If we are going to beat Hamilton and Vettel in this era of F1, we are going to do it with Alonso, I love massa to bits, i wanted him to stay over raikonnen 100% but he isnt gonna beat Hamilton and Vettel in this era.

[Effone]

I'm just sickened by the fact its a year since we almost lost Massa and this is how Ferrari repay him.. :(

[ferrari4life]

I'm just sickened by the fact its a year since we almost lost Massa and this is how Ferrari repay him.. :(

I am really sickened by the fact that you call yourself a Ferrari fan

[maho]

You can't blame the engineer and driver, these decisions come from the top

Of course it comes from the top but they're both professionals and I cannot believe that they wouldn't have thought of a scenario which Massa may have to allow Alonso to pass. Its not nice, but its the nature of the sport. Every team gives orders but they dont let emotions get the better of them.

[Greig]

I'm just sickened by the fact its a year since we almost lost Massa and this is how Ferrari repay him.. :(

We repaid him with a new deal despite poor performances

[Tech_Skill]

We repaid him with a new deal despite poor performances

the end.

[Effone]

I am really sickened by the fact that you call yourself a Ferrari fan

Well if you're going to start with the personal insults I might as well leave, there is no call for that.

[racingbradley]

It was just wrong that Rob was placed in that position. The relationship between driver & engineer should never be compromised-----------Stefano should do his own work !!!!!

[arunkshrestha]

An enquiry is good. I don't really care if Ferrari gets penalised or not. If they don't then it will be a Green Light for RBR and McLaren to focus on one driver by changing the order in the race, making Alonso's job a bit harder as both RBR and McLaren drivers have been taking points away from each other so far.

[Greig]

An enquiry is good. I don't really care if Ferrari gets penalised or not. If they don't then it will be a Green Light for RBR and McLaren to focus on one driver by changing the order in the race, making Alonso's job a bit harder as both RBR and McLaren drivers have been taking points away from each other so far.

LOL they already do

[Greig]

Well if you're going to start with the personal insults I might as well leave, there is no call for that.

Wooohooooo

[Tech_Skill]

Dominecalli is doing us proud today, he showed some real leadership, lie lie lie, whatever it takes we must do, just like the good old days.

Dont ever think Horner or Whitmarsh would give it a second thought, they would do it even quicker.

[Ste]

I do and don't agree with how we're handling this. Trying to cover it up is very bad and will make the situation worse. But, I do agree with the fact that the decision was up to Felipe. He was told the situation and he acted on it. As Rob said - he was very magnanimous. There was no specific order for him to move over.

[ferrari4life]

Well if you're going to start with the personal insults I might as well leave, there is no call for that.

You are sitting here insulting my team and there is not even a word of congratulations about Ferrari pulling off a stunning 1-2. Understand what happen was not ideal but thats racing..Ferrari cannot please everyone every single race.. you support a team and I think its spectacular that we came from where we were to the 1-2

[arunkshrestha]

LOL they already do

From what I have seen Jenson has only been told hold his place behind Hamilton. Now suppose they're running Jenson, Rosberg, Hamilton. McLaren would be free to order Jenson to move behind Hamilton so that Hamilton gains more points from coming second than third. Would have loved to see Vettel in between Massa and Alonso to see what Ferrari would have done in that situation.

[theodorus8864]

I'm just sickened by the fact its a year since we almost lost Massa and this is how Ferrari repay him.. :(

You really don't get the message, do you? I doubt you followed the whole race in full attention. Sorry but Alonso DID REALLY have his lap times within Massa's, not for once but for so many coming laps. And you're here moaning bout Massa being mistreated.

[Greig]

From what I have seen Jenson has only been told hold his place behind Hamilton. Now suppose they're running Jenson, Rosberg, Hamilton. McLaren would be free to order Jenson to move behind Hamilton so that Hamilton gains more points from coming second than third. Would have loved to see Vettel in between Massa and Alonso to see what Ferrari would have done in that situation.

So why should Jenson be ordered to hold his place, that interferes with the outcome of the race

[Grinsomx]

so we're fine? no penalty? i was really worried about that

[Tech_Skill]

Coulthard and Brundle have been on fire today, i gotta give em credit, they were drivers, they know its all about the championship, nothing else.

[Greig]

Coulthard and Brundle have been on fire today, i gotta give em credit, they were drivers, they know its all about the championship, nothing else.

They have stuck it to Eddie big time

[Ste]

Coulthard and Brundle have been on fire today, i gotta give em credit, they were drivers, they know its all about the championship, nothing else.

Yea, totally agree with that.

[arunkshrestha]

So why should Jenson be ordered to hold his place, that interferes with the outcome of the race

I guess it depends how you look at it. Telling someone to hold station is not changing the outcome of the race because that's what the order was at that moment in time. Telling someone to slow and and move over is affecting the order. In any case, the investigation is good news for the other teams as they will find out how far they can go in terms of shuffling drivers.

[justjesper]

What happened to this thread : 'S H A M E O N YOU, F E R R A R I - D I S C U S T I N G'

[Greig]

I guess it depends how you look at it. Telling someone to hold station is not changing the outcome of the race because that's what the order was at that moment in time and not changing the outcome of the race. Telling someone to slow and and move over is affecting the order. n any case, the investigation is good news for the other teams as they will find out how far they can go in terms of shuffling drivers.

Stopping Jenson racing and winning is interfering, I can't see how you can deny that

[Ste]

Good point from Brundle.

Would anyone have been bothered if we'd made the switch with our drivers down in P9 and P10? Probably not.

[DIEK]

BREAKING NEWS: Race stewards summon Ferrari's Rob Smedley because they want to know what "magnanimous" means too. #F1


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Twitter:- Ferrari cleared of team orders