German GP Race Thread

**gvsnraju85** · 25th July 2010, 15:18

This is just the mid of the season, these kind of things happening at the end of the season is understandable but now at this moment....just when Massa was on the verge of making a comeback almost exactly a year after his accident..........and then making it so obvious to the media especially with the team radios now open to public..........and then the story by Alonso.....and the may Massa blunders it up.....the media will be talking about it all the way till the end of next sunday....really puts a big question mark to the credibility of this sport..........last 2 weeks we have been crying about the FIA being biased towards the British team and now we show biasim between our own drivers

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:19

What the hell is this washed up Jordan driver babbling about contracts for.

Forget contracts, its about championship points, if massa was ahead of alonso by that gap, id screaming for them to let massa through.

**Shahid** · 25th July 2010, 15:20

Christian horner will be happy to deflect the attention onto Ferrari if there is any doubt about their front wing

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 15:20

Massa was doing really well today, I was so happy for him..

If it had been me in that car and the order came, I would have either ignored it or just parked the car.. once you move over once you'll forever be a doormat.. so sad for Felipe

**Katu** · 25th July 2010, 15:20

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Just saw this on another forum and remembered this.

Damon Hill vs Ralf Schumacher, i think it was at Spa, Ralf much faster than Hill, Eddie Jordan stopped ralf from passing Damon Hill.

Eddie Jordan is the worst pundit of all time, end of story.

it was a sour face from Ralf there. EJ should rather shut up, before he makes himself look like bigger fool than he seems now

**Brakefade** · 25th July 2010, 15:21

Did the BBC... or EJ rather make this much fuss when Hamilton passed Kovi in '08? EJ is such a hypocrit. He admited he gave team orders in the pass, and now he's appauled because the "rules" have changed, not because of some moral reason?

Anyways, team orders have been part of F1 for 52 of the last 60 years. And in fact, they still are. And like DC said any team who denies it are liars. Yes I feel bad for felipe, but Kimi did the same thing for him in China in 2008. And I'm sure if Fernando and Felipe swaped positions in the points, Ferrari would've asked Fernando to move over. Overall it was the right decision, and if this situations happens again in the future we should do it again and again, until the FIA changes the rule somehow.

**ferrari4life** · 25th July 2010, 15:21

Originally Posted by Wiz

It's seven points (25 vs. 18), but I doubt Alonso will need exactly these 7 points, and I'm quite sure Massa's loss of motivation is going to cost the team more than that, in turn potentially costing the team the WCC... We'll see.

If you wanna go there then there are other drivers out there that can take his place.. he is not running around the track on his own steam. ferrari put the fast car underneath him... he is welcome to reflect on the first part of the season and figure out why is so far behind..

**Tifosi** · 25th July 2010, 15:21

Originally Posted by Greig

No he just knows what goes on in every team, if Ferrari could go back to 2008 and give Felipe 1 more point by moving Kimi, do you think Felipe would grab it with both hands?

You keep missing the point that its halfway through the season Greig. 1 well deserved win has been ruined. It better count come the end of the season since it's basically made Massa's role clear for the rest of the season and made us look like complete liars. Period.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:22

Originally Posted by Effone

Massa was doing really well today, I was so happy for him..

If it had been me in that car and the order came, I would have either ignored it or just parked the car.. once you move over once you'll forever be a doormat.. so sad for Felipe

Were you so sad when he had to move for MS in 2006? broken record

**vcs316** · 25th July 2010, 15:22

Originally Posted by criderman

I understand what you are saying fully but come on...I want a WDC and WCC but they should be allowed to race...Both are great drivers and if Alonso is the fastest man (like many people say) on the grid then he should be able to get around him without a orchestrated pass.... Personally I wouldnt want to win or lose that way...

Yes, they should be allowed to race but not at the cost of a championship. Ferrari is in F1 to win championships. This season, Alonso is their best bet, he is clearly ahead of Massa in the rankings and should be given preference.

How hurt were we when Massa lost the WDC in 2008 by 1 point? Do we want that to come and bite us at the end of this season??

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:22

Originally Posted by Tifosi

You keep missing the point that its halfway through the season Greig. 1 well deserved win has been ruined. It better count come the end of the season since it's basically made Massa's role clear for the rest of the season and made us look like complete liars. Period.

Does not make any difference, as we know every point will count at the end, would Massa take 1 more point in 2008 from a order? you bet he would.....

**Hornet** · 25th July 2010, 15:23

Firstly, a huge congratz to Ferrari, Alonso and Massa for a job well done today.

We finished 1-2, don't know about you guys but to me thats huge, and we secured that front row fair and square. Just last race we were not even a contender for the podium and now we won 1-2, no any DNF by our competitors, we just beat them plain and simple. I'm very happy for the team, we're truly back

I do feel sorry for Massa, and I wish our return to form were under better circumstances. But to be honest, what Ferrari did is something any other team would have done under the same situation. Those people in the paddocks who hit out at Ferrari needs to buy a huge working mirror and look into it. Bunch of shameless hypocrites TBH, trying to act like they are a huge paragon of virtue or something.

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:23

Hold a minute, this Ferrari press officer guy is terrible, get him out of there! is obvious now. All he needs to say is Ferrari dont do team orders that it.

**ferrari4life** · 25th July 2010, 15:23

Originally Posted by Effone

Massa was doing really well today, I was so happy for him..

If it had been me in that car and the order came, I would have either ignored it or just parked the car.. once you move over once you'll forever be a doormat.. so sad for Felipe

i guess it shows then that you are not truly a Ferrari fan..so much for being a team player..go support webber. he seems to like to throw the team under the bus.

**racingbradley** · 25th July 2010, 15:24

yes we got 43 points.
Why do I feel so very very flat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Katu** · 25th July 2010, 15:24

i believe when Hamilton passed 2 years ago in Hockenheim Kovalainen, they showed Ron Dennis telling something on teamradio and after that Kovalainen slowed pretty quickly down

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Hold a minute, this Ferrari guy is terrible, get him out of there! is obvious now.

No he is spot on, Ferrari never told Massa to move, there was no team order given

**kazi** · 25th July 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by Greig

Claims that it's flexing on track

Not this again... All wings flex, all teams try to take as much advantage of it as they can. If it passes the tests it's all good.

**gvsnraju85** · 25th July 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by kazi

can anyone post a link to the Red Bull almost-illegal front wing?

I have completely missed what it's about, heard the commentators say something that the front of the middle part is to low or whatever.

Please link

It has been found that the Red Bull's front wings flex a bit towards the ground......making them closer to the ground as the car picks up speed.........this helps with the aerodynamics of the car....but flexing of the front wings are banned by FIA on safety grounds and these flexings create weak spots on the wings and could be dangerous in the event of an accident.........Red Bull say their cars are legal but only further invetigation would reveal if the flexing was within the allowable parameters or exeded it

**Julie B** · 25th July 2010, 15:25

My head hurts

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 15:25

Originally Posted by Greig

Were you so sad when he had to move for MS in 2006? broken record

That was not mid-season. You seem to ignore subtle points like that. we have a lot of races to go yet.. if the same thing happened with 2-3 races to go it would clearly be the best thing to do but not now.. are you so blinded by your Ferrari passion?
Sure the team come first.. but not now, its angered a lot of people, totally de-motivated one of our drivers and for nothing.

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by Greig

No he is spot on, Ferrari never told Massa to move, there was no team order given

Yeah but what he is saying doesnt match up with what smedley said. Smedley said Alonso caught massa and that he said sorry cos he was sorry massa got caught and passed

This guy is saying Massa chose to let alonso pass, which is a bit contradictory.

More ammo for the FIA

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by Effone

That was not mid-season. You seem to ignore subtle points like that. we have a lot of races to go yet.. if the same thing happened with 2-3 races to go it would clearly be the best thing to do but not now.. are you so blinded by your Ferrari passion?
Sure the team come first.. but not now, its angered a lot of people, totally de-motivated one of our drivers and for nothing.

France was mid season indeed

did you feel so sorry for him then?

Who says its de-motivated one of our drivers? and how do you know it was for nothing, again making things up.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 15:28

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Yeah but what he is saying doesnt match up with what smedley said. Smedley said Alonso caught massa and that he said sorry cos he was sorry massa got caught and passed

This guy is saying Massa chose to let alonso pass, which is a bit contradictory.

More ammo for the FIA

Everyone knows it was a team order, coded, if the FIA go after us then why not McLaren when they told Jenson to stop racing Lewis in Turkey.

**Agron** · 25th July 2010, 15:28

Originally Posted by Sianellen

Why has Alonso not won a race by himself this season? he needed Vettel to win Bahrain for him and Felipe to give him a win today. If he is such a great driver why is he not winning the races by himself. Why has he made so many mistakes this season? That was Felipe's race and Ferrari stole it from him. We lost the integrity we had today, I hope you think it is worth it in the end.

Because RB has 10 out of 11 poles. Make sensible arguments please.

**vcs316** · 25th July 2010, 15:28

Originally Posted by Effone

That was not mid-season. You seem to ignore subtle points like that. we have a lot of races to go yet.. if the same thing happened with 2-3 races to go it would clearly be the best thing to do but not now.. are you so blinded by your Ferrari passion?
Sure the team come first.. but not now, its angered a lot of people, totally de-motivated one of our drivers and for nothing.

Can both the drivers win the WDC? No.

Which driver has the best chance to bring the No. 1 back to Maranello? Alonso.

Massa understands why he was asked to do what he was asked to do. Maybe you should too...

**Tifosi** · 25th July 2010, 15:29

Originally Posted by Greig

Does not make any difference, as we know every point will count at the end, would Massa take 1 more point in 2008 from a order? you bet he would.....

half way through the season.

I have no problem with how you see it Greig, just dont care for comments that suggest that Ferrari supporters should think its clean, good, or worthy. That's all!

**Suzie** · 25th July 2010, 15:29

Well Fernando had BETTER win the WDC now after this utter MESS.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to buy a bottle of vodka and then weep in the corner. Toodle-oo.

**ferrari4life** · 25th July 2010, 15:29

Originally Posted by Effone

That was not mid-season. You seem to ignore subtle points like that. we have a lot of races to go yet.. if the same thing happened with 2-3 races to go it would clearly be the best thing to do but not now.. are you so blinded by your Ferrari passion?
Sure the team come first.. but not now, its angered a lot of people, totally de-motivated one of our drivers and for nothing.

Give it up man its over and done with..dont see how it can demotivate a driver that is in Ferrari because he started out doing just that for MS. He can pick up his socks or he will find himself in the same position next year..We need to points if we want to go after the WDC as well.. so far Felipe hasnt really been setting the track ablaze..

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 15:30

Originally Posted by Greig

Everyone knows it was a team order, coded, if the FIA go after us then why not McLaren when they told Jenson to stop racing Lewis in Turkey.

Since when have he FIA ever been consistent about anything????

Given the crap Ferrari have been through, we should not have made it that obvious, massa should have been told to save fuel and done.

FIA make it up as they go along, your using logic, never use logic with the FIA, its illegal to pass saftey cars unless your lewis hamilton.

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