German GP Race Thread

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 16:42

Originally Posted by Greig

Stopping Jenson racing and winning is interfering, I can't see how you can deny that

Check this out, im glad Brundle didn't go against us.

Does anybody remember 2007 when Kimi was about beat Lewis to the world title?

Brundle and J.Allen were calling for Mclaren to ask Alonso to drop down the field from 3rd place to way back behind lewis so that lewis could get the points to win the title.

So they cant say a damn thing about the morality of team orders.

**DIEK** · 25th July 2010, 16:42

Originally Posted by justjesper

What happened to this thread : 'S H A M E O N YOU, F E R R A R I - D I S C U S T I N G'

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 16:43

You're right as well. Team orders have always been in place, some more severe than others. We'll find out what the FIA thinks of them and the other teams will find out how much they can play god.

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 16:44

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Brundle and J.Allen were calling for Mclaren to ask Alonso to drop down the field from 3rd place to way back behind lewis so that lewis could get the points to win the title.

I was surprised McLaren didn't do that. Or they tried and Alonso (understantably) didn't comply. Of course the good thing with today is that Ferrari fans no longer have the high ground to complain about McLaren when they most likely will do the same to secure the WDC for Hamilton or Button.

**maho** · 25th July 2010, 16:48

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Coulthard and Brundle have been on fire today, i gotta give em credit, they were drivers, they know its all about the championship, nothing else.

+1

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 16:48

Originally Posted by arunkshrestha

I was surprised McLaren didn't do that. Or they tried and Alonso (understantably) didn't comply.

No way was alonso doing that , if raikonnen or massa broken down, he would be a 3 time world champ in that situation and he probably also decided to leave Mccheaters anyways.

I used to HATE alonso back then, but i always found it funny how at the sharp end of the 2007 season when it mattered, he suddenly went off the pace compared to lewis.

Since then i believe Mclaren admitted they '''accidently''' messed up alonso's tyre pressures.

Mind you, Ron Dennis is so honest and straight down the line, i cant believe he would allow that, only Ferrari bend the rules, Mclaren are very straight.

**Hornet** · 25th July 2010, 16:49

Originally Posted by DIEK

BREAKING NEWS: Race stewards summon Ferrari's Rob Smedley because they want to know what "magnanimous" means too. #F1

But...

Twitter:- Ferrari cleared of team orders

Glad to hear that if its true

Guess the stewards does not have any dictionary

**Hermann** · 25th July 2010, 16:51

Which twitter? I'm going to believe Charlie Brown will let us off the hook this time when i see something official.

We can't even enjoy a victory anymore- this is what i find really disgusting.

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 16:52

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

I used to HATE alonso back then, but i always found it funny how at the sharp end of the 2007 season when it mattered, he suddenly went off the pace compared to lewis.

That's where you have it wrong. Hamilton was consistently outscoring Alonso from the start of the season. Of course had Ron not forced Alonso to crash in Fuji with his evil powers he could have won the WDC and left the team with the #1. Let's just leave that for a different thread.

Some how I think RBR really need to focus on one driver now, be it Vettel and Webber. And each race make sure the chosen one finished ahead of the second driver no matter what position so that the WDC points is maximised.

**aroutis** · 25th July 2010, 16:56

Originally Posted by justjesper

What happened to this thread : 'S H A M E O N YOU, F E R R A R I - D I S C U S T I N G'

Was there an idiot to start even a thread in a FERRARI FORUM , BASHING Ferrari ?

I am surprised they were not banned on the spot.

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 16:58

Originally Posted by arunkshrestha

That's where you have it wrong. Hamilton was consistently outscoring Alonso from the start of the season. Of course had Ron not forced Alonso to crash in Fuji with his evil powers he could have won the WDC and left the team with the #1. Let's just leave that for a different thread.

Listen, all this Hamilton beat alonso up at Mclaren stuff is nonsense.

They had the same amount of points, same amount of wins and Dennis CLEARLY favoured Hamilton

Aka

"We were basically racing Fernando"

Im sure its well documented that mclaren were messing up Alonso's tyre pressures, i was supporting Kimi at the time, but it was obvious to me that McLaren were up to something and favouring Hamilton.

The truth will come out eventually about this.

**justjesper** · 25th July 2010, 16:58

Originally Posted by aroutis

Was there an idiot to start even a thread in a FERRARI FORUM , BASHING Ferrari ?

I am surprised they were not banned on the spot.

Well if Ferrari gets a penalty then you know why it should had stayed. We are not blind.

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 17:00

Ferrari has been fined $100,000 and referred to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute

Source: Noble Twitter

**arunkshrestha** · 25th July 2010, 17:00

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Listen, all this Hamilton beat alonso up at Mclaren stuff is nonsense.

They had the same amount of points, same amount of wins and Dennis CLEARLY favoured Hamilton

Aka

"We were basically racing Fernando"

Im sure its well documented that mclaren were messing up Alonso's tyre pressures, i was supporting Kimi at the time, but it was obvious to me that McLaren were up to something and favouring Hamilton.

The truth will come out eventually about this.

That might might explain the second half, but not the first half, unless McLaren hired Alonso to a be #2 driver from the very first race.

**Tommy_F** · 25th July 2010, 17:00

NobleF1

Ferrari has been fined $100,000 and referred to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute

Great, just

ing great...

**justjesper** · 25th July 2010, 17:01

100.000 easy, take it out of alonso's price money.

**aroutis** · 25th July 2010, 17:01

Originally Posted by justjesper

Well if Ferrari gets a penalty then you know why it should had stayed. We are not blind.

If you wish to bash Ferrari you're free to do this elsewhere :)

**Rookie** · 25th July 2010, 17:02

Originally Posted by Greig

Stefano is our strategy guy as well? woah he must be run ragged every race

LOL He's the manager and its his team to run. :) Just being objective about the whole situation. Because in as much as its for the team, people are made fools by what happened awhile ago. Mathematically Massa isn't a title contender and I get that but to make such as move is way too insulting for both fans alike. People watch F1 because of the racing. I watch F1 because of the racing of the best drivers with the best machinery which for me will always and forever be Ferrari but after what happened I cannot condone that and feel betrayed much the same back in Austria and monaco before but I still am a fan and I am entitled to criticize the team because of mistakes and blunders like that. Don't know why some people fail to see
this and people take some flak because they didn't liked what they saw and expressed their disappointment. If the 7 point difference will matter by the end of the season so be it but fact of the matter is this sucked big time. Hopefully with Ferrari being in form is something to be happy about but everything else is just plain sad...

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 17:02

Originally Posted by Tommy_F

NobleF1

Ferrari has been fined $100,000 and referred to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute

Great, just

ing great...

Not surprised at all.

Terrible news.

we were too blatant.

**Man of the race** · 25th July 2010, 17:02

Felipes face said it all. No words needed. Felipe has given them so much, but Santander gives more.

**Julie B** · 25th July 2010, 17:02

Originally Posted by justjesper

100.000 easy, take it out of alonso's price money.

"yawn"

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 17:03

I somehow dont think a mere 100k is going to persuade them not to do it anymore.. quite pointless :D

**DIEK** · 25th July 2010, 17:03

**FFFerrari** · 25th July 2010, 17:05

Can WMSC dish out more penalties about this or was it just the 100k (chump change)?

**Tommy_F** · 25th July 2010, 17:05

Originally Posted by DIEK

Yeah, Vettel pushed Alonso off-track (that's beyond the white line) but I guess that was just a racing incident. if an incident at all.

**aroutis** · 25th July 2010, 17:05

Originally Posted by Effone

I somehow dont think a mere 100k is going to persuade them not to do it anymore.. quite pointless :D

You miss the point,

They are referring us to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute, if WMSC decides against us, then we're in a bucketload of trouble.

**Tech_Skill** · 25th July 2010, 17:05

forget the 100k, Alonso would wipe his ass with a 100k, its the WMC im worried about, they can do all sorts.

**Ste** · 25th July 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by justjesper

100.000 easy, take it out of alonso's price money.

Alonso had nothing to do with it. It was TEAM decision, not Alonso on the radio telling Massa he was slower,

**Tommy_F** · 25th July 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by FFFerrari

Can WMSC dish out more penalties about this or was it just the 100k (chump change)?

They can.

**Ste** · 25th July 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by Tommy_F

Yeah, Vettel pushed Alonso off-track (that's beyond the white line) but I guess that was just a racing incident. if an incident at all.

Gave him a cars width so it's not really an issue.

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