Sweet and sour Victory

**Tifoso** · 25th July 2010, 17:19

I am completely OK with this. Alonso was clearly the faster car, and is the only one of our drivers (this year

) with a realistic shot at the WDC.
Well done, Ferrari.

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 17:21

I hope Massa is happy with what he now can read. 100.000 fine, plus futher penaltys coming.
Brilliant. What a lovely teamplayer "Sunshine" is.

**Agron** · 25th July 2010, 17:23

Originally Posted by justjesper

What happend to the other post 'S H A M E O N YOU, F E R R A R I - D I S C U S T I N G'

It just disappeared

Thankfully we have had a season plagued with mistakes and problems for the team and drivers, otherwise we wouldn't have had the pleasure of your presence all year

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 17:54

Originally Posted by GamD

shhhhhh!

You can join him if you like

**Rob** · 25th July 2010, 18:04

Originally Posted by Tifoso

I am completely OK with this. Alonso was clearly the faster car, and is the only one of our drivers (this year

) with a realistic shot at the WDC.
Well done, Ferrari.

totally agree with you Lou!! Fernando is in best position for WDC and thats what team is all about WDC WCC. Think what alot of people are missing is the fact that we beat Mclaren and RBR fair and square. We got the speed. Well done to all the team great job and thankyou. Car is stunning.

**Julie B** · 25th July 2010, 18:07

OMG you wouldn't think this is a Ferrari Forum where we are supposed to support Ferrari no matter what happens!!!

Even though we might not like or agree with the decisions, WE are not the ones making the decisions, WE are not on the pit wall and having to make these decisions.

I'm sure the Team don't do this just to make the fans unhappy or to make us start slagging off our drivers because we don't agree with it.

At the end of the day a decision was made for the good of the team,whether you like it or not....only the WMSC can determine the outcome, so for myself I'm not wasting my time in apportioning blame to people in the Team who don't deserve it, which I think is unfair.

**Tifoso** · 25th July 2010, 18:08

Originally Posted by justjesper

This is Greig's world. We have free speech when Greig is on vacation

Horsebleep.

**Tifoso** · 25th July 2010, 18:09

Originally Posted by Julie B

OMG you wouldn't think this is a Ferrari Forum where we are supposed to support Ferrari no matter what happens!!!

Even though we might not like or agree with the decisions, WE are not the ones making the decisions, WE are not on the pit wall and having to make these decisions.

I'm sure the Team don't do this just to make the fans unhappy or to make us start slagging off our drivers because we don't agree with it.

At the end of the day a decision was made for the good of the team,whether you like it or not....only the WMSC can determine the outcome, so for myself I'm not wasting my time in apportioning blame to people in the Team who don't deserve it, which I think is unfair.

Exactly. It's done all the time, by every team that can.

**GamD** · 25th July 2010, 18:10

Originally Posted by Greig

You can join him if you like

Where is he going?

or is he gone already?

**epiclyaddicted** · 25th July 2010, 18:34

Originally Posted by Julie B

OMG you wouldn't think this is a Ferrari Forum where we are supposed to support Ferrari no matter what happens!!!

Even though we might not like or agree with the decisions, WE are not the ones making the decisions, WE are not on the pit wall and having to make these decisions.

I'm sure the Team don't do this just to make the fans unhappy or to make us start slagging off our drivers because we don't agree with it.

At the end of the day a decision was made for the good of the team,whether you like it or not....only the WMSC can determine the outcome, so for myself I'm not wasting my time in apportioning blame to people in the Team who don't deserve it, which I think is unfair.

+1

**Tifosi** · 25th July 2010, 18:38

Originally Posted by Tifoso

Exactly. It's done all the time, by every team that can.

Funny how we seem to have this happy knack of making ourselves look mega stupid when we do it though. Don't recall anyone else swapping positions quite so blatantly, or as many times tbh

**Rob** · 25th July 2010, 18:40

Originally Posted by Julie B

OMG you wouldn't think this is a Ferrari Forum where we are supposed to support Ferrari no matter what happens!!!

Even though we might not like or agree with the decisions, WE are not the ones making the decisions, WE are not on the pit wall and having to make these decisions.

I'm sure the Team don't do this just to make the fans unhappy or to make us start slagging off our drivers because we don't agree with it.

At the end of the day a decision was made for the good of the team,whether you like it or not....only the WMSC can determine the outcome, so for myself I'm not wasting my time in apportioning blame to people in the Team who don't deserve it, which I think is unfair.

+1

well said, couldnt of said it better Julie. Roll on Hungaroring

**Tifoso** · 25th July 2010, 18:40

Originally Posted by Tifosi

Funny how we seem to have this happy knack of making ourselves look mega stupid when we do it though. Don't recall anyone else swapping positions quite so blatantly, or as many times tbh

Agreed.

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 18:55

Originally Posted by Tifosi

Funny how we seem to have this happy knack of making ourselves look mega stupid when we do it though. Don't recall anyone else swapping positions quite so blatantly, or as many times tbh

And how isn´t this Massas fault? He must have known that all this would come after his stupid stupid actions. That shows how much he cares for his team. He´s not a teamplayer.

**Suzie** · 25th July 2010, 18:56

Originally Posted by Curbs

And how isn´t this Massas fault? He must have known that all this would come after his stupid stupid actions. That shows how much he cares for his team. He´s not a teamplayer.

I soooooo agree. Damn him and his non-team playing ways.

**hogo** · 25th July 2010, 19:02

Alonso is too far from WDC title and rip Massa of 5 lousy points at this stage was stupid.

**Tifosi** · 25th July 2010, 19:10

Originally Posted by Curbs

And how isn´t this Massas fault? He must have known that all this would come after his stupid stupid actions. That shows how much he cares for his team. He´s not a teamplayer.

whatever

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 19:13

it's like a flashback to 2002 when Rubens got the blame for that one too

**Silent Bob** · 25th July 2010, 19:14

Originally Posted by hogo

Alonso is too far from WDC title and rip Massa of 5 lousy points at this stage was stupid.

Really? I think Alonso only 1 win & abit away from the lead. And it was 8 points not 5.
oops 7 points not 5.

**Silent Bob** · 25th July 2010, 19:18

Originally Posted by Greig

it's like a flashback to 2002 when Rubens got the blame for that one too

everyone knows team orders are in F1, to say they aren't is lying.. but there are ways of handling it like a grownup that gets paid millions a year. Massa is way behind in the points.. and that is his fault. Wonder if the team should come out and moan the next time he finishes out of the points.

**Pierce89** · 25th July 2010, 19:20

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

No. I tink at this stage the decision was the right one. The problem is there are too many people who are airing grievances in the open. There was no need for Smedley to say what he did over the air and no need for Massa to sulk in the post race interview.. the time for that is after in the motorhome away from the media. There was nothing unprofessional in what Domenicalli did.. it was Massa and his engineer that acted like children. They are professionals and should act like it. If this costs Ferrari their points or positions, then it'd be time to look for another #2 driver. Every driver knows if he's trailing in points he might be asked to move over, and most are professional about it.. Massa was acting like that other Brazilian, Barrichello. Shame on him.

+1 If he wanted to win he should have pulled away instead of holding Alonso up. If he was 5 sec ahead then the team couldn't have told him Alonso was faster.

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 19:21

Originally Posted by Tifosi

whatever

So, who is to blame then? Trulli? My cat? Alonsos mother?

**FerrariPassion** · 25th July 2010, 19:23

Massa shouldnt have moved over, If Nando had the fastest car..go earn the win. I see Ferraris reason, but no, make Fernando earn it. To me Felipe won that race.

**hogo** · 25th July 2010, 19:27

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

everyone knows team orders are in F1, to say they aren't is lying.. but there are ways of handling it like a grownup that gets paid millions a year. Massa is way behind in the points.. and that is his fault. Wonder if the team should come out and moan the next time he finishes out of the points.

good point there :D. Anyway they had to use that stupid "save fuel" command, it works perfect with mccheaters. Still such team orders at this stage weren't necessary imo.

**Redstorm** · 25th July 2010, 19:29

Well this win leaves me frustrated. I have to say I love Ferrari. I like Massa and Alonso. I love their passion and I think they are both very talented and I think Alonso is the best driver on the grid. All in all, I am happy when either one of them win.

But today, I am frustrated. All the arguing, all the media bashing, all these opinions.

Lets be clear. Alonso and Massa work for Ferrari. Ferrari pay them millions each year to drive a red car as fast as they can in circles. They travel and race for Ferrari. That is what they do week in and week out.
Today we had a dream situation (especially this season) a Ferrari 1, 2. Massa let Alonso pass and he should have. Alonso WAS FASTER, Alonso is HAS MORE POINTS in the championship and this is what was best fot the team. There are team orders in F1 and every team has them in one manner or the other. If that is wrong then we should have only one driver and we can have different names. Team Alonso, Team Massa, Team Hamilton...you catch my drift.

Let 's enjoy this victory and support OUR TEAM.
FORZA FERRARI!!!

**Pierce89** · 25th July 2010, 20:02

Originally Posted by Curbs

So, who is to blame then? Trulli? My cat? Alonsos mother?

No one needs blame. It's just part of F1. Massa should have asserted himself earlier in the season if he didn't want to be # 2. The shame is they robbed us of the spectacle of Alonso mugging Massa into the hairpin on merit, as he surely would have done. Most importantly of all FORZA FERRARI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:06

The whole world is bashing Ferrari and screaming SCANDAL! And noone needs to be blamed?

Massas childish action is what started this. And Ferrari pays him very large money, and this is how he thanks them?
Well done sunshine!

**Tifosi** · 25th July 2010, 20:09

Originally Posted by Curbs

So, who is to blame then? Trulli? My cat? Alonsos mother?

to blame for what? Making Ferrari look like they did in 2002? Well, i guess that would be THE TEAM. Funny how a team decision become a blame thing doesnt it! Hug your points and have a good night.

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:12

Originally Posted by Tifosi

to blame for what? Making Ferrari look like they did in 2002? Well, i guess that would be THE TEAM. Funny how a team decision become a blame thing doesnt it! Hug your points and have a good night.

Oh, so it was a teamcall for Smedley and Massa to act the way they did. Oh, yeah, sounds right. Why didn´t I think of that....