Sweet and sour Victory

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:23

Yeah, why shouldn´t you try to make your employer look stupid in front of the whole world? Hmm, beats me.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:25

Originally Posted by Curbs

Yeah, why shouldn´t you try to make your employer look stupid in front of the whole world? Hmm, beats me.

So he should have made himself look stupid then be accused of losing the win due to a mistake or something?

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:29

Originally Posted by Greig

So he should have made himself look stupid then be accused of losing the win due to a mistake or something?

Yes and no, if he had a brain like a normal person he would have done it but not that OBVIOUS! He could have done it on lap 20 in the hairpin when they were lapping. Insted he nearly drives over Alonso. Stupid stupid stupid!

**Katu** · 25th July 2010, 20:30

Originally Posted by Greig

So he should have made himself look stupid then be accused of losing the win due to a mistake or something?

that wouldn't have been anything new

**Nova** · 25th July 2010, 20:30

Originally Posted by Greig

Yeah it sure did, this is a Ferrari forum, if you are ashamed then post it on planet F1 or similar

Right on baby....

**Nova** · 25th July 2010, 20:32

Originally Posted by Rob

totally agree with you Lou!! Fernando is in best position for WDC and thats what team is all about WDC WCC. Think what alot of people are missing is the fact that we beat Mclaren and RBR fair and square. We got the speed. Well done to all the team great job and thankyou. Car is stunning.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:34

Originally Posted by Katu

that wouldn't have been anything new

as opposed to the non mistake making Alonso I guess right?

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:35

Originally Posted by Curbs

Yes and no, if he had a brain like a normal person he would have done it but not that OBVIOUS! He could have done it on lap 20 in the hairpin when they were lapping. Insted he nearly drives over Alonso. Stupid stupid stupid!

On lap 20 he did not know he had to move over, unless he is now a clairvoyant then how was he to know....

**Nova** · 25th July 2010, 20:35

Originally Posted by Quattro

So what happened to free speech your sensorship?

Hey dude, this is a Ferrari forum..there are plenty of sites to go and berate a team...what, did a truckload of Mac fans just show up?

**Katu** · 25th July 2010, 20:36

Originally Posted by Greig

as opposed to the non mistake making Alonso I guess right?

even with his mistakes his ahead of massa

**Nova** · 25th July 2010, 20:39

Originally Posted by Julie B

OMG you wouldn't think this is a Ferrari Forum where we are supposed to support Ferrari no matter what happens!!!

Even though we might not like or agree with the decisions, WE are not the ones making the decisions, WE are not on the pit wall and having to make these decisions.

I'm sure the Team don't do this just to make the fans unhappy or to make us start slagging off our drivers because we don't agree with it.

At the end of the day a decision was made for the good of the team,whether you like it or not....only the WMSC can determine the outcome, so for myself I'm not wasting my time in apportioning blame to people in the Team who don't deserve it, which I think is unfair.

I thinks its unfair also..along with the fine imposed by the fia....all this mambo is taking away from the fact that WE WON today..we NEEDED to WIN today..or the season would be finetto..

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:39

Originally Posted by Katu

even with his mistakes his ahead of massa

Maybe so, but not so far away yeah?

**Katu** · 25th July 2010, 20:42

Originally Posted by Greig

Maybe so, but not so far away yeah?

only today. nobody tied massa's hands behind his back and didn't allow him race all through 1 part of the season... it's too late to start for him now

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:45

Originally Posted by Katu

only today. nobody tied massa's hands behind his back and didn't allow him race all through 1 part of the season... it's too late to start for him now

LOL why was it too late? you make no sense really. Alonso would be leading the title and not need team orders without his mistakes maybe

Why should Massa be punished for Alonso's mistakes

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:49

Originally Posted by Greig

On lap 20 he did not know he had to move over, unless he is now a clairvoyant then how was he to know....

I think he knew this even before the start.

**Ken** · 25th July 2010, 20:52

I am going to say my piece and pack my bags.

This is no longer the "Ferrari" fan site that I joined.

We used to have a sense of humour on these boards, now we have thread after thread about who is the best driver. We are now in self distruct mode.

1st off some of you will remember after a certain over taking incident how Mc Cheaters got their nickname and Ramilton gained a reputation. So are we to now divide the team and blame a driver and make him carry the blame for the "management" breaking the rules.

All this has achieved is a driver who got max points not exactly rejoicing in his win, we have a driver who if he reads any of this can only be even more demoralised. The timing is stupid, if we are to achieve the WCC we need both drivers giving it their best , todays incident wil have an adverse affect on what we need from them both for the rest of the season.

To recap the race I watched, Massa had a great start and put himself into 1st place, he then pulled out a 5.5 second lead over Alonso, struggled for a couple of laps on the new tyres and drove off into the lead again, Smedly told Massa earlier "come on you can win this" and Massa drove in a way we hadnt seen for a long time..

If we consider the fuel side, To achieve those gaps Massa was burning fuel to do everything he needed to win, and with a 1/3rd of the race to go was saving fuel to get to the finish. JOB DONE. Then that fatal descision to swap cars because Alonso was was closing the gap, Then the fatal message to Massa (badly delivered ) followed by an inept publicity guy on TV.

Follow all that with the unkindest comments about Massa's behaviour post race in here, and what else would you expect him to do ( and if there is anyone else in here who takes part in competitive sport of any type you would know exactly what Massa was feeling ). I hoped that some DECENT Alonso fans would be prepared to recognise what Massa gave away, but no!, all I can see is blame it all on Massa

What happened to the days when we laughed at other teams mistakes and grimaced at our own ??

This site for me has become too much about driver V's Driver, Not about the love of the legend that is Ferrari

Take care I will look in from time to time to see if the mood in here improves.

**Naeem** · 25th July 2010, 20:52

Today i loved ferrari a little less.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 20:52

Originally Posted by Curbs

I think he knew this even before the start.

If so then there would be no radio would there

**Stormsearcher** · 25th July 2010, 20:53

Originally Posted by Curbs

I agree the radiocall was BAD! But had Massa just done what he was supposed to, then it wouldn´t have happend. All this mess is thanks to Massa. So sack him.

lol.. while i agree on your overall point that Massa AND smedley should have disguised their personal feelings about this until they got to the motorhome... i think you are being a bit hard on him. Afterall, he is in racing hoping to win the title. He is bound to feel miffed at the whole thing. No need to sack him for having emotions.

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 20:55

Originally Posted by Greig

If so then there would be no radio would there

Yep, bacuase he was childish and wanted to prove a point. Just like Barrichello in 2002.

**Stormsearcher** · 25th July 2010, 21:28

did you guys read the entire german GP press conf?
The press was brutal with our guys, Nando taking most of the flak of course.

Is the driver allowed to tell the press guys to take a hike and walk away? Cause i am very surprised nando and maybe even Felipe actually sat through that and patiently answered those questions.
It almost sounded like the press was extremely anti- SF.

Vettel surprisingly seemed to agree with the ferrari decision. He put it very subtly, but it was clear what he meant.

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 21:39

Originally Posted by Curbs

Yep, bacuase he was childish and wanted to prove a point. Just like Barrichello in 2002.

Massa is paid to RACE.. he is a racing driver so we expect him to push hard and get us wins!

Which he was doing today until alonso cried on the radio.

I would love to think Massa can lead a 1-2 next race but I dont think they will allow him that now, I think he should move on next year. I'm sure lots of teams would love to have him.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 21:44

Originally Posted by Effone

Massa is paid to RACE.. he is a racing driver so we expect him to push hard and get us wins!

Which he was doing today until alonso cried on the radio.

I would love to think Massa can lead a 1-2 next race but I dont think they will allow him that now, I think he should move on next year. I'm sure lots of teams would love to have him.

I thought you had left?

**Stormsearcher** · 25th July 2010, 21:44

Originally Posted by Effone

Massa is paid to RACE.. he is a racing driver so we expect him to push hard and get us wins!

Which he was doing today until alonso cried on the radio.

I would love to think Massa can lead a 1-2 next race but I dont think they will allow him that now, I think he should move on next year. I'm sure lots of teams would love to have him.

True, i hear HRT is looking. Dont be silly, All the serious teams already have top drivers. Massa will be foolish to leave. His best chance is with Ferrari. If he was leading between the 2 drivers, am sure he would have been offered the same favours.

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 21:45

You know its a real shame all this happened today because it seems to be taking the attention off the car, which seems VERY good. I am no technical expert and I dont know what they have done but wow it looked rather supreme today.

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 21:45

He already was given the same favour

**Curbs** · 25th July 2010, 21:45

Originally Posted by Effone

Massa is paid to RACE.. he is a racing driver so we expect him to push hard and get us wins!

Which he was doing today until alonso cried on the radio.

I would love to think Massa can lead a 1-2 next race but I dont think they will allow him that now, I think he should move on next year. I'm sure lots of teams would love to have him.

Massa is paid to do what ever Ferrari tells him to end of story. If he unhappy with what his bosses tells him he should say so, but not on track in front of the whole world, but behind closed doors. End of story!

**Effone** · 25th July 2010, 21:45

Originally Posted by Greig

I thought you had left?

Just your wishful thinking my friend :P

**Greig** · 25th July 2010, 21:46

Originally Posted by Effone

Just your wishful thinking my friend :P

Your words, not mine, I don't need to wish

**aroutis** · 25th July 2010, 22:12

Originally Posted by Effone

Just your wishful thinking my friend :P

If he wanted you gone, gone you'd be :P

As for our drivers , not just Felippe, they get paid to do as Ferrari orders them to.

WHATEVER that might be.

It's all about the team.

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