Hungarian GP - Race Thread

[Greig]

Aha that is your opinion greg, but you have to admit that Michael was comitted to his line, rubens did try it on his own, and could easily have gone to the outside, when michael had the inside...
But since michael is michael, everybody is going to be very harsh on him, even if other have done the same before him.

He said he could not see Rubens, he was using his mirrors all the way, he is a liar sorry no opinion just fact, when Rubens was on the inside Michael still moved across, he knew Rubens was there yet he keeps pushing him to the wall. Michael has no right to dictate what side a driver passes him on, no right at all.

[RockyRaccoon]

After watching the replays I don't think the MSC incident is as bad as I first thought. He clearly decides to go left before Rubens and Rubens goes for a closing gap imo.

[Agron]

Well they're doing about 190mph at the bottom of that straight and he hit Heikki who was probably doing about 50mph less since he braked. So he'd have been airborne at 150mph, or more.

The only mortal threat for drivers is pieces or something else hitting their helmets, the rest of the car is a tank. As such, Webber's accident had little risk unless he landed on something, but Barrichello's accident may have seen a 10-20kg tyre been thrown in his face at 180mph.

[ferrari4life]

at least no one is talking about ferrari anymore..

[Hornet]

Good drive by Alonso. He's now only 21 points off the lead. Good to see McLaren's reliability is not bullet proof, Button lost an engine in Monaco, now Lewis suffers a DNF. So WDC is still possible, we need speed and reliability.

Agree.

All it takes was the leader to DNF, and we didn't even have to win, we only finished P2. Anything can happen, next race might be Webber's turn to entangled with Vettel and suddenly we're right there

Hopefully we'll continue to improve and keep consistently doing well at the top

[Greig]

Giving a rough guess at the airborne speed yes. But, that was a horrifying accident that we all cringed at, as was Kubica in 2008 etc. And he simply got out of the car and walked off. These cars are so, so strong, even if Rubens had hit the wall and had a big incident, he'd have walked away just like the rest. Side on impacts don't work the same as head on collisions.

If Kubica had that accident again then the outcome might be very different, he was lucky, and we should not rely on luck. You can't tell us what would have happened if Rubens hit the wall, you have no idea how the impact would have affected the car and where it ended up sorry to say, but defend MS to the death....if Lewis done it you would be livid and we both know it

[Greig]

Rubens Barrichello slammed Michael Schumacher's driving during the Hungarian Grand Prix as 'horrendous' after the pair nearly crashed.

Williams driver Barrichello came within inches of touching the pit wall at around 300 km/h after Schumacher swerved to the right as the Brazilian tried to overtake along the main straight.

The duo came very close to making contact and Barrichello had to put part of his wheels on the grass to avoid a crash.

The Brazilian nonetheless passed Schumacher for tenth and went to score a point, but he was unimpressed with his former team-mate's driving.

"I have a lot of experience and usually with a crazy guy like that I would lift off, but not today, absolutely not," Barrichello told Spanish network La Sexta right after the race.

"I think it has been one of the most beautiful manoeuvres I've done and one of the most horrendous from him. At the end of the day we don't need that.

"To stop for three years and then come back and do something likethat, we don't need it."

He added: "What I'm saying is that it wasn't not necessary. The safety car came out at a time when it didn't help me, but it was a great race. I'm happy."

Schumacher shrugged off the incident, however.

"This is F1," Schumacher told Italian television RAI when questioned about his move.

"I think I left him too much room because he passed."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85783

[Ste]

If Kubica had that accident again then the outcome might be very different, he was lucky, and we should not rely on luck. You can't tell us what would have happened if Rubens hit the wall, you have no idea how the impact would have affected the car and where it ended up sorry to say, but defend MS to the death....if Lewis done it you would be livid and we both know it

Yea, of course I would be livid if Lewis did it.

I never said I liked or agreed in any way with the move though did I? I said it was stupid, dodgy and a bad move. Never defended it at all.

[REDARMYSOJA]

"I think I left him too much room because he passed."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85783

Well, he has a point there.

[DIEK]

F1Lite Schumi: "I don't give presents on track." Barrichello replied "he is unbelievable.

[kazi]

Kubica's crash in 2008 could very well have killed him, the monocoque didn't hold up and the fact he got to keep his feet was pure, pure luck. So no, the cars aren't built like tanks, but close to.

See this image:


MS made a huge mistake with his attempted murder of barri today. Hope he gets a big penalty for it.

[MASSUM THE GREATEST]

Slighltly excessive by schumi.
But I've seen much worse from all drivers back in the mid 90s.
But now we're in 2010, this type of stuff is analysed to death.

[maho]

lol at hulkenberg...

[Greig]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...f-order-today/

[fairlylarge]

Schumacher was pushed towards a wall at high speed in the Brazil GP in 2006 by a certain McLaren driver and there was no hysteria then?

[Ste]

Schumacher was pushed towards a wall at high speed in the Brazil GP in 2006 by a certain McLaren driver and there was no hysteria then?

That was pretty much under braking and Michael had plenty of room there really.

[Rishu]

3 things i would like like to mention-

1. Fernando was so dedicated, he again proved why he is double WDC. To hold a car for 35 laps which is quicker than you by over a second was herculian effort. If anybody who deserves WDC this year, its him. With so much bad luck, so much expectations he is handling & delivering fantastically.

2. Webber was brilliant, i mean he put up 12 or 13 qualifying laps on trott to gain the advantage was outstanding effort. He deserved to win this one.

3. Schumacher should be punished. That was outrageous. It could have killed one driver. I am a big fan of him but that was very silly.

[aroutis]

I named Massa in Canada, and today Rubens, both incidents this year in the present day when MS has moved across very late on other drivers, lucky today he got away with it or he could probably be facing criminal charges, I will not defend him playing god with the life's of others around him. Ste is welcome to his opinion, I seen it with my own eyes and judge from that, the FIA are investigating because it was so bad, Rubens said it was the most dangerous incident he has had in F1. If you can defend that move today or even try to justify it then be my guest, but the past had nothing to do with it, deal with today.

It's very simple. The Massa incident is nothing but an incident so I fail to see why that adds to your argument why he should have his SL revoked. As for today, the investigation is as to if this was a racing incident that justifies a penalty or not. In any case however, this goes way beyond the opinion that one has to have their SL suspended, right?

[aroutis]

Schumacher was pushed towards a wall at high speed in the Brazil GP in 2006 by a certain McLaren driver and there was no hysteria then?

Amnesia is a given in F1.

[Greig]

It's very simple. The Massa incident is nothing but an incident so I fail to see why that adds to your argument why he should have his SL revoked. As for today, the investigation is as to if this was a racing incident that justifies a penalty or not. In any case however, this goes way beyond the opinion that one has to have their SL suspended, right?

Nothing but an incident? MS moved over on him again and again, breaking his front wing and putting him out of the points, easy to see where your loyalty lies now isn't it He does the same today against Rubens, and thankfully the wall ended or we would possibly be talking about something criminal Every single driver the BBC have spoken to are the same, MS was clearly in the wrong, still his legions defend him.....

[Greig]

Wurz just totally slated MS for the move, says if MS is telling us he could not see Rubens despite constantly looking in his right mirror, then he should go see a doctor and his license should be removed.......

[Greig]

MS ten place drop at Spa, lenient

[ferrari4life]

3 things i would like like to mention-

1. Fernando was so dedicated, he again proved why he is double WDC. To hold a car for 35 laps which is quicker than you by over a second was herculian effort. If anybody who deserves WDC this year, its him. With so much bad luck, so much expectations he is handling & delivering fantastically.

unfortunately these days holding a car behind you is not particularily impressive.. we have seen our cars stuck behind force india amonst others quite a lot..

[Italian Spirit]

Congratulation Mark! Not bad for a Number 2...

As for Schumacher, he hasn't lost only his driving skills, he has lost his brain too.
Time has come to hang up the your helmet, Sir.

[Italian Spirit]

Alonso might get a P2 Maximum by the end of the race if He can Follow Vettel and if Mark has a sluggish start. Mostly, Vettel wont repeat his mistakes so early on.

Well, you got on out of two predictions. Not bad...

[Brakefade]

unfortunately these days holding a car behind you is not particularily impressive.. we have seen our cars stuck behind force india amonst others quite a lot..

Maybe not, but Fernando couldn't even be bother to drive defensively either. It was like Vettel wasn't even there. Vettel is brilliant in clean air, but he has absolutely to passing or blocking skills.

On another, more important point, the RBs don't really have it in the straights, and we have two very fast tracks comming up. I think we have a very good opportunity to have back to back 1-2 victories. The only team that worries me is Mclaren, since they have the most advanced F-duct. So hopefully during this summer break Ferrari can further refine their F-duct.

[RedRebel40]

lol its virtually impossible to overtake at this track

[hogo]

unfortunately these days holding a car behind you is not particularily impressive.. we have seen our cars stuck behind force india amonst others quite a lot..

still Petrov and MS couldn't do that, so I think its an impressive achievement considering how many laps he had to drive with a much slower car. And he did that without a slightest mistake while Vettel did quite a few while trying to follow him.

[FFFerrari]

still Petrov and MS couldn't do that, so I think its an impressive achievement considering how many laps he had to drive with a much slower car. And he did that without a slightest mistake while Vettel did quite a few while trying to follow him.

Like he said in the post race interview, he couldn't have hold him back on any other circuit. Ferrari has a faster top speed and the track is so narrow and dirty outside you really can't pass. It was witnessed when he was 0.3 behind that the all the downforce was gone and even if the car was 1 second quicker, he couldn't follow close enough through the corners. Barrichello was over 2 secs faster than MSC and he only barely made it.

[Hornet]

One thing for sure is Alonso's drive was flawless. While its not easy to pass someone, one mistake could easily open the door for the attacking driver. Lewis got his break when the Renault went a little sideways