Discussion Ferrari's Chances In The Coming Races

[REDARMYSOJA]

Apparently new floor and new rear wing.

Thanks.

[REDARMYSOJA]

To be fair that is what we would do and have done in the past e.g. Renault Mass damper.

Wait a minute. Flavio himself said it was Ron Dennis that blew the whistle on the mass damper.

[Phantom]

The only upgrade we need for Spa is Kimi. He'll win even with Monacco's setup.

[FerrariF60]

The only upgrade we need for Spa is Kimi. He'll win even with Monacco's setup.

i have to give him that much, he absolutely LOVES that track....no wonder he's the KING of SPA
hopefully Alonso will beat them all this time given we’re gonna have a BIG update coming here.

I thought someone said that we’re going to have a new (redesigned) transmission case that’s supposed to work better with the blown diffuser and hopefully close the gap we’ve been having in terms of downforce to the BULLS.

We couldn’t have this upgrade at either germany or hungary due to the transmission having to last 4 races; and at SPA both Alonso and Massa will have this update.

So i hope we’re going to see good results from SPA and all the remaining races.

[Fiondella]

Wait a minute. Flavio himself said it was Ron Dennis that blew the whistle on the mass damper.

I'm pretty sure we pushed for the ban in 2006 when we had tried a similar system with our Bridgestones and couldn't get it to work.

Anyway my point is that we would push for anything if it makes us more competative. I remember in 94 just before his sad death, Senna had spun out at the Pacific GP and was listening to Schumacher's Benetton at the side of the track becuase he knew they had Traction/Launch ctl which was banned at the time If I'm not mistaken San Marino was the next race

[Paulpg87]

Domenicali on italian tv said that they have to work on the front wing due to the new tests wanted by Fia and he said that this is unscheduled work that will cost time.

[Rob]

Does anyone know what the major upgrade for Spa is?



I didn't know that. Thanks.

rear suspension, transmission and now new front wing.

We stand a really good chance at Spa and Monza. The new rear end will help us with the low downforce set up and low drag for both tracks.
We are on a charge. This is going to be a cracking end of season push which im confident we will finish on top.

[Ant Raikkonen]

rear suspension, transmission and now new front wing.

We stand a really good chance at Spa and Monza. The new rear end will help us with the low downforce set up and low drag for both tracks.
We are on a charge. This is going to be a cracking end of season push which im confident we will finish on top.

I bloody hope so Rob I'm trying to contain the exitement that the last 2 races' form has produced. I'm confident Alonso can deliver and deal with the run-in.
We CAN pile on the pressure!

Winning at Spa would be really great but doing so at Monza...now that's a mouth-watering prospect!!

[Tifosi]

Macca seem to be a wee bit in recession atm (unless they are bluffing) & Merc have given in so hopefully we only have to tame the bulls really.

Just wave the red flag in front of them and i'm sure they'll charge straight through it and hit summat



Forza F,F,& F

[Rob]

I bloody hope so Rob I'm trying to contain the exitement that the last 2 races' form has produced. I'm confident Alonso can deliver and deal with the run-in.
We CAN pile on the pressure!

Winning at Spa would be really great but doing so at Monza...now that's a mouth-watering prospect!!

yeah that is Ant, winning Monza, mmmmmm We riding high. Alonso knows what it takes to win WDC, and so do we. We have been here before (2007 just to name one) coming from poor first half season to win. RBR will have to start to backing 1 driver, they cannt afford to let both drivers take points of each other. Then the pressure will start to get to them and either webber or vettel, depends who they back will strop BADLY.

Mclaren seem to have lost their way a little bit. Which has helped us and Renault. Now Mclaren got start worrying about Renault catching them (on track, not in points).

Got my yellow ferrari flag, and is flying out of my window!!!!

[Naeem]

I feel I ought to throw in a pinch or two of salt. The only corner that will trouble McLaren in Monza is the Parabolica so I suspect we'll have equal pace overall however they'll have less speed than us on the longer runs.

The new rear end is exactly what we need. I suspect our front wing will be fine and require little adjustment as it flexes less than the bulls so I feel we'll have a better overall balance throughout the car.

Assuming the Bulls were a second a lap faster than us in Hungary how can ferrari recover that deficit? I suspect the new changes to the rear end of the car may be worth 3/4 tenths at best on a slow speed track and less for the like of Monza. However, how much are we buying into the theory that the big difference was in how much the Renault engine brought to their speed in terms of its smooth power delivery. We saw that Renault was comparatively a lot faster in Hungary also (faster than McLaren) so perhaps it would be wise to assume that the bulls speed was mostly down to their engine's characteristics? What do you guys think about this?

[Hermann]

Domenicali on italian tv said that they have to work on the front wing due to the new tests wanted by Fia and he said that this is unscheduled work that will cost time.

Interesting that Horner already said they would pass the new test without problems. I can't imagine our wings were more 'flexible' than the RB ones? Or maybe RB already know they have a wildcard from FIA anyway for this season...

[Ant Raikkonen]

Alonso knows what it takes to win WDC, and so do we. We have been here before (2007 just to name one) coming from poor first half season to win.
Got my yellow ferrari flag, and is flying out of my window!!!!

Hey nice one Rob with the yellow flag

Totally agreed about Alonso & Ferrari's ability to nail championships, that is proven I think things have been encouraging since Valencia and i noticed in Silverstone practice 2 & 3 aswell...then the points breakthrough came at Hocky and Hungaroring, of course. If the momentum can just keep going like this, there's a clear chance at the WDC. .....WCC, i'm not so sure at this stage (despite the points system change) because Mclaren and Red Bull are still scoring pretty well generally aren't they.

Brainfarts on Upcoming races....

Spa - Traditionally strong for Ferrari but i wait to see how Red Bull do. Not sure about Mclaren at Spa.
Monza - Traditionally strong for Mclaren as their car seemed to love the kerbs/chicanes more than Ferrari's for example and their strong engine.
I have a hunch this year might be a different story as we also have F-duct, nice traction and a clean enough car aerodynamicly.

[Rob]

Cheers Ant, yeah think me neighbours are getting fed up with it, but hey.....

Hopefully with Pat Fry on team now, he may help us with our suspension set up for the kerbs at Monza. Yeah Valencia was our starting point realy, yeah we didnt come away from there totally happy, but that was the start. The only way is up, and as said, both mclaren and rbr, will have to start thinking of backing 1 driver for the WDC and that will unsettle the teams. We have the momentum on our side. RBR can only improve the car by little bit each time, as they had fast car start of with. As we can make big big steps every time.

WCC is still possible, but that is BIG gap to make up, WDC is still on.

yeah Spa will be ours, low drag and low downforce (new rear endwill help with that big time)

monza......if we can nail those ruddy kerbs we could dominate that track,

[Ant Raikkonen]

Cheers Ant, yeah think me neighbours are getting fed up with it, but hey.....

Hopefully with Paddy Lowe on team now, he may help us with our suspension set up for the kerbs at Monza. Yeah Valencia was our starting point realy, yeah we didnt come away from there totally happy, but that was the start. The only way is up, and as said, both mclaren and rbr, will have to start thinking of backing 1 driver for the WDC and that will unsettle the teams. We have the momentum on our side. RBR can only improve the car by little bit each time, as they had fast car start of with. As we can make big big steps every time.

WCC is still possible, but that is BIG gap to make up, WDC is still on.

yeah Spa will be ours, low drag and low downforce (new rear endwill help with that big time)

monza......if we can nail those ruddy kerbs we could dominate that track,

Yeah, the Mclaren is visibly much stiffer than the Red Bull & Ferrari isn't it. That won't help Mc at bumpy old tracks like Spa & Monza of course, although i can think of much worse tracks for bumps, ie: Interlagos.

Pat Fry i think is a great addition to the team from Mclaren & he may just be able to help us with suspention set-up.
I wait to see how the new rear-end help our downforce & drag.

Push rod v's Pull rod suspention with Red Bull v's Mclaren/Ferrari isn't it so that's a factor affecting the riding of those Monza kerbs, coupled with the power of the engine & it's nice delivery & sweet traction.

Indeed, a big part of taming Monza is mastering those kerbs and the traction off of them with the torque of the engine to "punch" the power onto the straights. These engine characteristics are clearly also important at Spa.

[Greig]

When did we get Paddy Lowe then? Pat Fry maybe?

[Ant Raikkonen]

I apologise for mine & Rob's mistake

[Rob]

When did we get Paddy Lowe then? Pat Fry maybe?

yeah sorry, i meant say Pat Fry, but have edit my mistake. Had very long day, and been reading about Paddy Lowe just few minutes before i wrote that, sorry guys, sorry Ant.

[Rob]

Yeah, the Mclaren is visibly much stiffer than the Red Bull & Ferrari isn't it. That won't help Mc at bumpy old tracks like Spa & Monza of course, although i can think of much work tracks for bumps, ie: Interlagos.

Pat Fry i think is a great addition to the team from Mclaren & he may just be able to help us with suspention set-up.
I wait to see how the new rear-end help our downforce & drag.

Push rod v's Pull rod suspention with Red Bull v's Mclaren/Ferrari isn't it so that's a factor affecting the riding of those Monza kerbs, coupled with the power of the engine & it's nice delivery & sweet traction.

Indeed, a big part of taming Monza is mastering those kerbs and the traction off of them with the torque of the engine to "punch" the power onto the straights. These engine characteristics are clearly also important at Spa.

Yeah we will need very good traction and powerdelivery for Monza. I thnik that Ferrari were testing a new engine mapping at Silverstone or Hocky. Be same as RBR has. Where engine gasses are stilling being delivered to the BD when throttle is closed. Thats why RBR get much better traction out of corners as the BD is working more harder and has alot better downforce at rear end helping traction (getting on throttle earlier.)

Im sure Pat Fry is suggesting afew new ideas for our new rear suspension and transmission. WOW ROLL ON SPA. Still a ruddy long wait.