Massa, Kubica To Swap Seats?

[512 TR]

Felipe Massa deserves better than to be Fernando Alonso's doormat. Twist it anyway you want but he really does.

[Greig]

Felipe Massa deserves better than to be Fernando Alonso's doormat. Twist it anyway you want but he really does.

Well he is free to leave isn't he, and you can go with him

[Greig]

F1 can live without Ferrari.

"If there is no Ferrari or no other car manufacturers, everyone will forget about them very quickly," said the 24-year-old Krakow native".

Disgusting!

Alonso and Kubica at Ferrari.

Disgusting!

Glad you won't be around here to see it then

[512 TR]

Glad you won't be around here to see it then

There is a cancer at Ferrari, Greig.

It's serious. Don't make fun of it. Please don't.

[Greig]

LOL surely you have better things to do than come to a forum and whine all the time? can't be nice really....

[Suzie]

There is a cancer at Ferrari, Greig.

It's serious. Don't make fun of it. Please don't.

How long do we have?

[512 TR]

How long do we have?

Cancer can be cured. But not with the current people in charge.

It will take a couple of years. Young Mr. FIAT is standing in the wings.

If Luca wants Alonso to be happy. Let it happen. That will be his legacy, that's what people will remember...

[mandzipop]

Cancer can be cured. But not with the current people in charge.

It will take a couple of years. Young Mr. FIAT is standing in the wings.

If Luca wants Alonso to be happy. Let it happen. That will be his legacy, that's what people will remember...

Putting your eggs all in one basket is stupid. 1999 and 2009 showed that. Motorsport is dangerous. It says it on the ticket.

[Tifosi]

Cancer can be cured. But not with the current people in charge.

It will take a couple of years. Young Mr. FIAT is standing in the wings.

If Luca wants Alonso to be happy. Let it happen. That will be his legacy, that's what people will remember...

Is that English or just Crypticrap?

[TIFOSI_FERRARI]

MASSA IS damn good THAN KIMI.
BUT, Kubica & ALONSO IT LOOK LIKE DREAM TEAM.
FORZA SCUDERIA.

[Tifoso]

Cancer can be cured. But not with the current people in charge.

It will take a couple of years. Young Mr. FIAT is standing in the wings.

If Luca wants Alonso to be happy. Let it happen. That will be his legacy, that's what people will remember...

Andrea in charge would be perfect. He's already taken over Juve. Elkann is a fricking moron.

[mandzipop]

MASSA IS damn good THAN KIMI.
BUT, Kubica & ALONSO IT LOOK LIKE DREAM TEAM.
FORZA SCUDERIA.

It is always better to have drivers with similar stature and driving styles. It is better to have similar stature for adaptability. Not sure on how Alonso/Kubica line up with car set up. If one driver likes it pointy and the other driver like understeer then there is a design issue. You cant design a car around both.

2 cases. Webber broke his leg in 08. Vettel had to sort the car out. In Monza, due to the problems Webber had, Vettel had to sort his set-up and Webbers set-up.

Case 2, Kimi and Massa. Could Massa have set up a car for Kimi or vice versa?

Alonso and Massa are close enough to be able to set the car up for each other is one was taken out during FP and it couldn't be recovered. Like Monaco this year.

[Brakefade]

Alonso and Kubica are poker buddies. They should get along just fine.

[MundoX]

Kubica is a MUST at Renault team, so no swap. Kimi is needed at Merc. Massa is ok at SF, but beeds motivation.

[DonXabi]

Is that a good thing? Not overly convinced Kubica is any better than Massa.........but Massa isnt the driver he was before his accident. Alonso and Kubica are rumoured to be good friends, but Massa is part of the Ferrari-family and does a good job as No: 2. Think it is nothing but press ramblings as the driver situation for 2011 is pretty much settled - not to say it wont happen for 2012 though, contracts or no contracts............

[Greig]

If Luca wants Alonso to be happy. Let it happen. That will be his legacy, that's what people will remember...

Like he wanted Lauda to be happy? like he wanted Michael to be happy?

You are the one who laughed at a Ferrari crashing, which said it all to everyone

[TheProdigalSon]

This story is so ridiculous, I would gladly slap whoever wrote it for wasting our time!!

[aroutis]

I have no problem with team orders at all. The de facto #1 (not sure there should be a fixed one, unless the performance gap is large, obviously) should be chosen by the end of July, at the latest (unless the drivers are close, then maybe default to the previous year's best performer.

It is all about the team. Period.

I totally agree, it's all about the team.

[vagos]

i dont care if kubica comes or not i want to have a driver that is pasionate about our team! for the moment alonso and felipe are doing just fine! there is no reason to change that unless felipe wants to b the no1 driver!

[aroutis]

Putting your eggs all in one basket is stupid. 1999 and 2009 showed that. Motorsport is dangerous. It says it on the ticket.

Is it really? Does the name Schumacher say something to you perhaps ? It was all about having a very strong driver and a very good team mate to support him and the team behind them.

What was wrong about that? Apart of course a number of WCC and some WDC that Michael got for himself?

[TIFOSI_FERRARI]

It is always better to have drivers with similar stature and driving styles. It is better to have similar stature for adaptability. Not sure on how Alonso/Kubica line up with car set up. If one driver likes it pointy and the other driver like understeer then there is a design issue. You cant design a car around both.

2 cases. Webber broke his leg in 08. Vettel had to sort the car out. In Monza, due to the problems Webber had, Vettel had to sort his set-up and Webbers set-up.

Case 2, Kimi and Massa. Could Massa have set up a car for Kimi or vice versa?

Alonso and Massa are close enough to be able to set the car up for each other is one was taken out during FP and it couldn't be recovered. Like Monaco this year.

the Men in Gestione Sportiva have the Ability to fix any issue, they really be capable of.
I'm not a Ferrari Mechanical to answer your question, but i I think massa had Great experience When he was a Fellow Michael, so absolutely he can do a Fantastic car set-up.
Obama's campaign slogan in the presidential election "Change", Ferrari must try "change" Option.

[racingbradley]

Frankly dont think Massa is pulling his weight very much with the teamI like him a lot but if we get a stronger driver in his place then Froza Ferrari all the way.

Where were you at the start of the grand prix last weekend. Massa was actually in front of Alonso at the first corner!!!!! Yes he gave way as Alonso turned his wheel into him and let Button past. ---yes he gave way to avoid a collision with his team mate!!!!!
I thought, personally he was on fire all weekend. His pitstop was not quite as efficient as Nando's or he would probably have got past Button
We are talking about a guy who lives & breathes for Ferrari and is happy & passionate about being there
As regards this thread I really think it's much ado about nothing but it has stirred up a few issues

[Greig]

Even with a 1 second stop he would not have got passed Button really, and he did not have much option but to let Alonso pass as Alonso had the line really after sticking to the outside Shame he never gave way to avoid a collision in Silverstone, Australia and Germany He shut the door on Alonso in Australia costing Alonso a place, and done the same in Germany into the chicane so I am not so sure about claiming Massa is suddenly giving way to let Alonso pass....and neither he should but its a bit confused to say he is giving Alonso a easy ride when clearly that is not the case

[racingbradley]

Shame he never gave way to avoid a collision in Silverstone, Australia and Germany He shut the door on Alonso in Australia costing Alonso a place, and done the same in Germany into the chicane

There again we could look at it the other way in China where Massa's race was compromised as he waited behind Nando in the pit lane when he should of been first into the pits.
Silverstone I thought Nando touched Massa sending him to the back of the field!!!!!
Anyway I think the situation has significantly changed since Germany!!!!
I guess he has been told to give way in those situations!!!!
But we are way of the topic of the thread now

[Greig]

China was a mistake by Massa that let Alonso pass him as both admitted I was joking about Silverstone....

There is no way he gave way to Alonso, they were pretty close to touching, Alonso braved it out round the outside or Massa would have got the place, or it would have ended up like Lewis did. You make it sound like they were not racing when clearly they were otherwise Massa would have given way well before making Alonso take the outside and dirty line....

[DanielM]

Felipe Massa deserves better than to be Fernando Alonso's doormat. Twist it anyway you want but he really does.

F1 is all about speed. If your team mate is much faster you become a door mat, thats how its always worked. Its upto massa to find more speed then he will get equal treatment like he did in 2008. Its in his hands.

[Agron]

There again we could look at it the other way in China where Massa's race was compromised as he waited behind Nando in the pit lane when he should of been first into the pits.
Silverstone I thought Nando touched Massa sending him to the back of the field!!!!!
Anyway I think the situation has significantly changed since Germany!!!!
I guess he has been told to give way in those situations!!!!
But we are way of the topic of the thread now

Don't make me laugh, in Monza they fought very hard, closing all doors and even touching. You can say Massa wasn't dirty in defending, but at the very least he was as hard as fair racing allows.

IMO he made it clear that unless he is told from the pits to give way to Fernando, he won't.

[Ant Raikkonen]

I really rate and like Kubica and i hope he comes to Ferrari at some point. I feel he's ready now and is performing solidly in that Renault this year, but is he a better option than Massa for Ferrari? I'm not sure.

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

I really rate and like Kubica and i hope he comes to Ferrari at some point. I feel he's ready now and is performing solidly in that Renault this year, but is he a better option than Massa for Ferrari? I'm not sure.

yeah same here. if you asked me again at the end of next year ill have your answer.. at the moment i think it should remain unchanged...if massa is up there next year im sure ferrari would support him too!

[Hornet]

I highly doubt it will happen for 2 reason
First being that Ferrari could have just sign Kubica if they wanted instead of signing Massa for another 2 more years. Why go through the trouble of signing a driver and start swapping him out?

Secondly, Massa is not struggling at Ferrari at the moment, not IMHO. He's had a tough season, but since he got back to the front in Germany, he has been doing really well, certainly not "struggling".

It just doesn't add up for me.