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    Will we still be strong next year?

    Judging from the status of the former Brawn and now the Mercedes Team, do you guys think we'll be handicapped because I know for a fact that this season is going down the wire again and all our attention is focused on winning the WDC till then so do you think it will hamper the development for next years car? Ferrari hasn't been able to adapt very quickly with regards to sudden changes and the biggest change will be the tires. Everyone will be affected but I'm pretty curious who will adapt to the pirellis quickly. I know being an Italian team and having worked with pirelli for their road cars Ferrari might have the advantage but we'll never know till testing how the new tires will react. Most especially that for the better part of the last decade Ferrari has always been used with bridgestones. So The new tyres will probably pose the biggest task for teams to overcome when testing begins.


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    Will we still be strong next year?
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    HRT will be the strongest next year

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    Yes, we should be strong next year, in fact I think relatively much stronger.
    Ferrari have a complete team working on next years car, this is independent of the on-going development for the F10.
    Tyres should favour us. We have a great relationship with Pirelli and I think we know how they think and develop tyres better than anyone.
    The other big changes will also play into our hands, the changes to diffusers, and KERS will play into our strenghts.
    Lastly, the base line for next year is this years car and the F10 is on level pegging with the best, unlike last year where we started from the F60

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    Quote Originally Posted by theforce View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie View Post
    Judging from the status of the former Brawn and now the Mercedes Team, do you guys think we'll be handicapped because I know for a fact that this season is going down the wire again and all our attention is focused on winning the WDC till then so do you think it will hamper the development for next years car? Ferrari hasn't been able to adapt very quickly with regards to sudden changes and the biggest change will be the tires. Everyone will be affected but I'm pretty curious who will adapt to the pirellis quickly. I know being an Italian team and having worked with pirelli for their road cars Ferrari might have the advantage but we'll never know till testing how the new tires will react. Most especially that for the better part of the last decade Ferrari has always been used with bridgestones. So The new tyres will probably pose the biggest task for teams to overcome when testing begins.

    Ross explained why Brawn/Merc w01 is so rubbish., cos the BGP001 was made with Honda resources over a period of 18 months.. then when honda left, they had just enough cash to survive.. so that's why this year's car is a "dog".. now that Merc have Mercedes Money.. it should be different
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    Ross explained why Brawn/Merc w01 is so rubbish., cos the BGP001 was made with Honda resources over a period of 18 months.. then when honda left, they had just enough cash to survive.. so that's why this year's car is a "dog".. now that Merc have Mercedes Money.. it should be different
    The car wouldn't be AS bad in Jensons hands. It's made for his weird style. Neither of the Mercedes' drivers like it, hence why there aren't any good results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    The car wouldn't be AS bad in Jensons hands. It's made for his weird style. Neither of the Mercedes' drivers like it, hence why there aren't any good results.
    oh yeah there's that too.. Jenson effectivly "shafted" BGP/Merc
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    the design of car 2011 Will be Like start of clean sheet of paper. Pirelli tyer, No F-duct, No Double Diffuser, the movable rear wing, and The most important thing that there will be the Adrian Newey Wiht Red Bull & Ross Brawn Witn Mercedes.
    Our Enemy are More Dangerous , It requires More hard work , More fast, and do the our job better than him to be Very strong, and to be The dominant car in 2011.

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    Naturally I would say yes, we seems to have improved our performance, closing the gaps to the red bulls.

    But the new tires would meant we could still go either way. We've been having problems with certain tire compounds, I just hope we don't find ourself having problems warming up those new tires again

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    Hopefully we have improved our KERS and it does not try to fry our drivers no more
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    Yep. KERS, moveable wings and Pirelli tyres is the key for next year.

    Will be a standardished KERS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Hopefully we have improved our KERS and it does not try to fry our drivers no more
    As if you cared if Kimi got fried

    I'm confident that we will be strong in 2011 - wasn't the main issue with 2009 not necessarily that we were fighting until the last race of 2008, but also that the regulations were so massively different the following season?
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    A bit of silly question to ask at this time. Likely, yes. The biggest question will be the tyres, but that is same for all teams. I think most of the other changes favor us, atleast it looks like it. But let's get this season under wraps first, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grillo View Post
    Yep. KERS, moveable wings and Pirelli tyres is the key for next year.

    Will be a standardished KERS?
    No (or at least "no" the last time I checked )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    As if you cared if Kimi got fried
    Fair point maybe he can come and test the system for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Fair point maybe he can come and test the system for us


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Fair point maybe he can come and test the system for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB13 View Post
    Tyres should favour us. We have a great relationship with Pirelli and I think we know how they think and develop tyres better than anyone.
    I tought Ferrari said earlier this year that they hoped Michelin would win the supplier contract for F1.
    So that doesn´t make sense. Do they really have that good relationship with Pirelli? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    I tought Ferrari said earlier this year that they hoped Michelin would win the supplier contract for F1.
    So that doesn´t make sense. Do they really have that good relationship with Pirelli? I doubt it.
    I didn't understand those comments from LdM but I think Fiat and Pirelli have a strong relationship. We don't know what they were talking behind the curtains but I'd be happy if Pirelli develop their F1 compounds aiming at providing a good show and racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    I tought Ferrari said earlier this year that they hoped Michelin would win the supplier contract for F1.
    So that doesn´t make sense. Do they really have that good relationship with Pirelli? I doubt it.
    Then you would be wrong (I think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB13 View Post
    Yes, we should be strong next year, in fact I think relatively much stronger.
    Ferrari have a complete team working on next years car, this is independent of the on-going development for the F10.
    Tyres should favour us. We have a great relationship with Pirelli and I think we know how they think and develop tyres better than anyone.
    The other big changes will also play into our hands, the changes to diffusers, and KERS will play into our strenghts.
    Lastly, the base line for next year is this years car and the F10 is on level pegging with the best, unlike last year where we started from the F60

    i believe the baseline for next year's car will be last year's car since Next year the regulations are pretty close to what they were last year...Single Diffuser, KERS etc etc.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvsnraju85 View Post
    i believe the baseline for next year's car will be last year's car since Next year the regulations are pretty close to what they were last year...Single Diffuser, KERS etc etc.....
    Good point on the similarities you point out between last years rules and next years, but, I think structurally they ('09 and '11) will be poles apart. simply on the chassis and dimension changes to accommodate fuel changed the balance and fundamentals of the car.

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    The odd numbered year design team always tends to put out a car that's not as good as the even numbered year design team :p
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    Absolutely true. We still used to win titles with them, though (let's forget 2005)

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    only time will tell. Ferrari is allways a top 3 car :)

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    I guess next year it is going to be a big reset for most. KERS, new tires, higher minimum weight etc will make sure it's a level playing field. The teams that were quick last year without KERS will have to adapt to it next year so they might be a bit backwards. [RedBull / Brawn]
    One thing is for sure, Felipe was doing quite okay with KERS before the accident and the starts are going to be awesome

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    Personally I feel the KERS never did us any good, except for race start. That year was the year I'd rather forget, it was miserable seeing our car constantly being out paced by multiple teams.

    I like where we are right now, but as they say, nothing gold can last. They just had to bring back that huge expensive paperweight KERS thing. It seems like they waste more fuel lugging that that thing around than the energy it recovers

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    Well Ferrari has been the team that has seen the most changes in the sport because of its long association with F1 so should be the one most used to adapting. Unlike Brawn, it has a big back up and is not reliant on the same people running the current car at the same time as creating the next one. I have no doubt that it will cope equally as well as - and hopefully better than - most of the teams, including the other front runners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Personally I feel the KERS never did us any good, except for race start. That year was the year I'd rather forget, it was miserable seeing our car constantly being out paced by multiple teams.

    I like where we are right now, but as they say, nothing gold can last. They just had to bring back that huge expensive paperweight KERS thing. It seems like they waste more fuel lugging that that thing around than the energy it recovers
    We're outpaced by Brawns, Toyota and Red Bull in 2009 because they don't have KERS to disrupt the car's weight distribution, so that doesn't count.

    It's also fair to say that we were only outpaced by McLaren, which was KERS equipped, in the later part of the season, when we have already given up 2009 and put all resources in 2010.

    So next year when every team has to use KERS, we (and McLaren) have the advantage of having an extra year of experience with the device onboard. At the same time the disadvantage in pace compared to Brawns (now Mercedes) and Red Bulls will be gone since those two teams will have to use KERS as well.

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