Red Bull team orders/comments thread (all in here please)

[GamD]

it's funny, we have 1 more race to go and both here and on red bull boards it's all the same talk. if the other team wins, they don't deserve it.
red bull likes to cry about germany and team orders, but they only gave mark's wing to seb. all i can do is ask..whats the difference?
from wild speculations to cold hard facts, in the end whoever wins this year title will deserve it.
if Webber wins the title, hats off to him. he will have won that crown fighting both his team and another (Ferrari)

There is a difference of how Ferrari and Red Bull done there “Team Orders”
The way RB done it made no difference to Mark Webber as he WON! The race, so you could even argue RB gave him the edge over vettel.
With Alonso and Massa it was more of a direct radio message, changing the race results while on track...

The reason Mark Webber feels he is not the “Favourite” is because he is a real prat, and is just causing bad blood atmosphere in the RB team.
If Massa was moaning and ranting at every chance he had, like Webber would you feel sorry for him?
Even when Alonso was at Mclossers he kept his self dignity and professionalism.
Webber has the same car; same team; same as Vettel, What Webber wants is a order given to Vettel to back off and let him win.

[Poltergeistes]

Redbull can do it in a safer manner, but again, this being Webber to win the championship and not the hot shot vettel, they are going to wait until the last laps, if Vettel has to let webber by, just after they are sure there's no chance for vettel to win it.

The intelligent thing to do is to do like ferrari did in 2007, with Massa giving first position during the pitstop, he did his lap just slow enough to make sure he wouldn't return to the track still first, and nobody complained, it's the best way to do it.

Reason why i think ferrari did not do something similar in germany is because they probably had an agreement, that if Massa was able to keep being faster than fernando even when he went with the tyres that he wasn't good with, that's why the clear message from rob "fernando is faster than you" maybe at that point ferrari was just saying, ok you are slower than fernando there's no point in trying to defend that hard agaisnt him and risk losing both cars in the battle. I tell you one thing, being a massa fan, was one of the worse momments for me, alot more hurtful than losing the title in 2008 after he crossed the finish line, i felt stabbed! i can't even imagine how painful and difficult it must have been for rob having to say that sentence, and i can't even imagine how it must have felt for felipe, receiving that message and still remain calm enough to finish the race, and even after it, he wasn't happy that was clear, but he was never complaining to the media. Just hope that this pirelli tyres works better for him, cause it's been a dog year for him, and we need both drivers fighting for the championship next season, cause that is the only thing that will ensure us the WCC.

It's hard to beleive that even after the bad luck fernando had in some races, and some mistakes that he was making which weren't like him to make (like monaco) our car simply isn't as fast as the redbulls are and he is the leader of the championship, the best reason for us to hope that he will the championship is because he always delivers in the end. so i wouldn't be surprised if he wins the race, he will not hold back anything in terms of speed, he knows that if he is running third and the 2 redbulls in front, he knows he will lose the championship, so i wouldn't be surprised if he gets the pole, and if not, he will attack the hardest when the red lights goes out, because if they get the pole it simply means it's one of those tracks redbull will be uncatchable, so if he wants to win it, he will have to do in the first turn.

It's going to be a heart stopping first turn, i'm feeling anxious just thinking about it.

[Nova]

No one has mentioned LH......he very well may effect the outcome of this whole party....n he will be fast there...so who's his most favorite buddy?

[Hornet]

it's funny, we have 1 more race to go and both here and on red bull boards it's all the same talk. if the other team wins, they don't deserve it.
red bull likes to cry about germany and team orders, but they only gave mark's wing to seb. all i can do is ask..whats the difference?

I don't think everyone is saying Webby don't deserve the title if he wins it

The problem here is with Red Bulls who should have just shut up and race. They go on moaning and whining about team orders at Ferrari when they would do the very same thing themself. It makes one look like an idiot if their mouth speaks something and their action does something quite the opposite, they deserve every criticism they get.

[brembo man]

Some of Massa's best defensive drives this year have been against Alonso, and in the first few races he held position behind Massa. Kind of makes this #1 and #2 drivers from the first race theory fall apart. And Santander earns more money in Brazil that does in Spain, with almost half it's income coming from South America, if they favoured someone, it would be Massa, as a matter of fact I think they were decisive in Massa staying while Kimi was the one to go.

Well that only goes to show how $$ is F1. All that south american $$ just made Ferrari stronger for sure.How much bigger is the population of S America than all of Spain? If 1/3 rd of S Amrerica deals with Santander and 100 % of Spaim is with them, I doubt Santander lost any business by backing Alonso, he is the best driver between them. The way the first few races go is how us fans get our thrill for sure. Were supposed to believe there are no team orders, there illegal! It's the last few races and whats being now openly said, that"s the real deal like it or not.

[Grinsomx]

I don't think everyone is saying Webby don't deserve the title if he wins it

The problem here is with Red Bulls who should have just shut up and race. They go on moaning and whining about team orders at Ferrari when they would do the very same thing themself. It makes one look like an idiot if their mouth speaks something and their action does something quite the opposite, they deserve every criticism they get.

i agree, they deserve the criticism they're getting but that wont taint their title should they take the driver's crown this week.
they look like fools for blaming Ferrari for team orders while they too favor one driver over the other, i really belief they all do it one way or another.
Ferrari got caught doing it out in the open, others use more encrypted messages or throw parts from one car on the other.
i just dont see how that can taint ones title if it's common practice.

[tifosi_kaka]

i agree, they deserve the criticism they're getting but that wont taint their title should they take the driver's crown this week.
they look like fools for blaming Ferrari for team orders while they too favor one driver over the other, i really belief they all do it one way or another.
Ferrari got caught doing it out in the open, others use more encrypted messages or throw parts from one car on the other.
i just dont see how that can taint ones title if it's common practice.

Yea I agree too, Red Bulls can definitely use team order to help Mark win the title
But it will make them hypocrites and fools, winning the title by team orders which they criticized Ferrari so much for using
Of course being called hypocrites and fools are nothing compared to winning the drivers' title, it's the ultimate dream of all F1 pilots
But there are always more 'advanced and subtle' way of conducting team orders,
such as: 'Sebastian, you need to save fuel' or 'Sebastian, your engine is overheating' or 'Sebastian, your tyres are too hot' etc etc
Whichever way it goes it will be a promising weekend full of drama and excitement

[siberianlady]

I would prefer a totally boring race where we take pole to flag win.........

[TheProdigalSon]

I would prefer a totally boring race where we take pole to flag win.........

Same, then all this talk wouldn't even matter. Our destiny is in our own hands, let's focus on that instead of worrying about others - which is what Ferrari is doing anyway!