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    Thumbs up Felipes blog-Taking points from Fernando's rivals

    November 9, 2010 · Posted by Felipe Massa

    I have just arrived in Abu Dhabi, having left Sao Paolo on Monday night and, apart from the fact that I was racing in Brazil, in front of my home crowd, I can think of very little that was the good about the weekend in Interlagos. Qualifying did not go so well and then the problem with the wheel nut during my pit stop meant that my race was effectively over, as I had to come back in on the very next lap to change wheels again. If it had not been for that, I think I could have ended the race in the top five, which would have been a reasonable performance. From that point on, the race was very tough with so many cars in front of me. The situation with the traffic was particularly tricky and confusing. For example, at one point, Rosberg let me pass him and I did not understand why, but I think there was a bit of confusion with some drivers racing each other on the same lap being shown the blue flag by mistake. When the Safety Car came out, the situation got even more complicated. In my opinion, it was better when the rules allowed cars to un-lap themselves when they were behind the Safety Car, as it would have made the racing more interesting. This is especially true when you consider the situation in the championship, because there were at least a couple of backmarkers between Vettel and Webber at the restart and a lot more between Webber and Fernando, so it was not particularly good in terms of the show.

    But now, let's look forward rather than back, as it is time for the final race of the season in Abu Dhabi. This will be a completely new track for me, as I was unable to race here last year, the first time this Grand Prix was on the calendar. I have driven it on the simulator and I have also used a computer game to practice it more at home in Brazil right up to yesterday so that I have as much information as possible, even if it is never the same as actually driving the track itself. Even though I was not racing in 2009, I did attend the Grand Prix and I thought the facility was fantastic. For Ferrari, this is a special event, as the team has strong links with the area through our sponsors Mubadala and Etihad and now there is also the Ferrari theme park, just outside the race track. As we will be staying in Abu Dhabi for a week after the race, when we have the Young Driver test and then the Pirelli test, I hope to get some time to spend at the park, which should be an enjoyable experience. Speaking of the Pirelli test, I am looking forward to it as it will be an interesting experience seeing what differences there are between them and Bridgestone, who have given us such good tyre service over so many years. It will be an important couple of days to get a good idea about tyre behaviour ahead of the winter break.

    As for the Grand Prix itself, Ferrari is still in the fight for the Drivers' title and I really hope to be racing at the front, in the middle of the fight between the drivers still involved. If I can score some good points, taking them away from Fernando's rivals, it can be useful for him.
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    Come on Felipe, we need you to have a good weekend here!

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    Felipe can be very important for Ferrari coming weekend. I hope he can have a good race, a win would be a very nice end of the season for him.
    That way he is again really part of the success and he deserves that.

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    It would be great to see Felipe win, Fernando second and I don't care who the other on the podium is...............
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    C'on Felipe, last race of the season, hoping for a stellar performance from you !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by siberianlady View Post
    It would be great to see Felipe win, Fernando second and I don't care who the other on the podium is...............
    maybe webber can be third. just to add insult to injury.

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    Hopefully Felipe puts on a brilliant show, really important he does. He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain. If he can takes some points off the bulls, his miserable year will be ignored in favor of his awesomeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siberianlady View Post
    It would be great to see Felipe win, Fernando second and I don't care who the other on the podium is...............
    I would like to see Fernando leading the race with Felipe second and then Fernando moves over and lets Felipe win as courtesy for the German Win now that would be good team work and respect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOMASO View Post
    I would like to see Fernando leading the race with Felipe second and then Fernando moves over and lets Felipe win as courtesy for the German Win now that would be good team work and respect!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOMASO View Post
    I would like to see Fernando leading the race with Felipe second and then Fernando moves over and lets Felipe win as courtesy for the German Win now that would be good team work and respect!
    That would be a perfect ending to the season...for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOMASO View Post
    I would like to see Fernando leading the race with Felipe second and then Fernando moves over and lets Felipe win as courtesy for the German Win now that would be good team work and respect!
    I'll never understand why anyone would think that a token gesture would make the slightest difference to anything or anyone. Giving someone something you don't need isn't the same as giving someone something that you do. To equate the two is pointless. I think it would be self serving & patronising to both drivers and to racing fans alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    I'll never understand why anyone would think that a token gesture would make the slightest difference to anything or anyone. Giving someone something you don't need isn't the same as giving someone something that you do. To equate the two is pointless. I think it would be self serving & patronising to both drivers and to racing fans alike.
    At a glance I agreed with the poster but yes you are so right. It would not be a proper payback at all only a cheap gesture.
    On reflection I would rather wait till 2011 and see what pans out. It would be very satisfying to see Nando giving way to Felipe for the right reason. We could see a 2007, 2008 scenario again only hopefully with a happier outcome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    I'll never understand why anyone would think that a token gesture would make the slightest difference to anything or anyone. Giving someone something you don't need isn't the same as giving someone something that you do. To equate the two is pointless. I think it would be self serving & patronising to both drivers and to racing fans alike.
    Remember Senna and Berger in Japan 1991? I loved it, I did not think it either serving or patronising.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4K8QLjKh0o (the Brazilian speaker gets a bit carried away...)

    In the same way I loved this (sorry, I could not find a better video in youtube):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDjkScERHqg&feature=fvw

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    Last edited by Meiga; 11th November 2010 at 11:28.

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    It's not about giving someone something they do not need...IMHO it's about showing recognition, respect and saying thank you.

    Anyway....I like this thread cause to me it shows that some of us here (I know I do) not only hope but BELIEVE that we will have a 1/2 finish on Sunday.......otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sempre_Ferrari View Post
    It's not about giving someone something they do not need...IMHO it's about showing recognition, respect and saying thank you.
    I do see your point, however I don't think it would really mean much to either driver if i'm honest. Gifted victories dont really count as merited wins to a driver so i'm imagining Fernando wouldn't want to do that to Massa. Anything else is done for other people so it's kind of pointless imo.

    I'm not saying that Fernando doesn't appreciate Massa's help as part of the team but i'm sure both would prefer to show it in other ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    I'll never understand why anyone would think that a token gesture would make the slightest difference to anything or anyone. Giving someone something you don't need isn't the same as giving someone something that you do. To equate the two is pointless. I think it would be self serving & patronising to both drivers and to racing fans alike.
    One could argue that Massa didn't need that win because he wasn't in contention.

    One could also argue that a win is a win, and it shows later in your career statistics, so a win is always "needed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    One could argue that Massa didn't need that win because he wasn't in contention.

    One could also argue that a win is a win, and it shows later in your career statistics, so a win is always "needed".
    One could argue for exactly the same reason that he doesn't need a win on Sunday, except to make some other people feel better about a previous situation.

    One could also argue that most racers don't sit and read their own stats with their grandchildren on their knees but that they do care how they achieve what they achieve more than reading numbers in a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    One could argue for exactly the same reason that he doesn't need a win on Sunday, except to make some other people feel better about a previous situation.

    One could also argue that most racers don't sit and read their own stats with their grandchildren on their knees but that they do care how they achieve what they achieve more than reading numbers in a book.
    Why wouldn't drivers care about their stats? lol, that's why they are competing, aren't they?. Aren't the WDC just one more stat (the best perhaps) in their career's statistics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    Why wouldn't drivers care about their stats? lol, that's why they are competing, aren't they?. Aren't the WDC just one more stat (the best perhaps) in their career's statistics?
    So you think the world's most successful F1 driver came back to up his stats do you?

    Racing drivers race because they want to race dude. It's not something you do because you want to be in the history books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    So you think the world's most successful F1 driver came back to up his stats do you?
    Racing drivers race because they want to race dude. It's not something you do because you want to be in the history books.
    Why give the WDC then? WCC would be enough! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    Why give the WDC then? WCC would be enough! ;)
    Obviously you race to win! Obviously!

    You don't race to be gifted a win though, and that is the point i'm trying to make about racers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    Obviously you race to win! Obviously!
    That's why Massa deserves one more win from Fernando if Fernando doesn't need it for the WDC.

    First team, second drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    That's why Massa deserves one more win from Fernando if Fernando doesn't need it for the WDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    That's why Massa deserves one more win from Fernando if Fernando doesn't need it for the WDC.

    First team, second drivers.
    You just don't get it do you dude?


    First team, second drivers. I agree!!

    However, this hypothetical charity that you suggest is nothing to do with the team and my argument is that its not what either driver would chose.

    As a driver, you don't deserve a win deliberately ceded from someone else - regardless of the circumstances - and regardless of whether or not you gave a win to someone else earlier in the season to benefit the team. Fernando didn't deserve his win in Germany for that reason only, but Massa and the team gave it to him for the benefit of the team. The team deserved the win as it was lying 1-2.

    Drivers are individuals who race for the team. Kimi gave position to help Massa for the team. Massa gave a win to Kimi for the team.

    Massa giving Alonso the win in Germany was for the team. If Alonso gave the win to Massa on Sunday, it wouldn't be for the team and I very much doubt that Massa would see it as being for his benefit. You seem to think it's all about positions and points in ALL circumstances. It's not!

    As a Fernando supporter it may look like a payback once Fernando has what he wants (driver pov, not team). As a racer , Massa would not see it in those terms but you seem to think that the win and some historical points are the only thing that matters to the driver involved. Drivers want to win races for themselves. Full Stop!

    Who do you care about? The Team, The Driver or something else?

    The team are unaffected
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    As a driver, you don't deserve a win deliberately ceded from someone else
    I think Felipe earned it pretty well in Hokenheim, it wouldn't be ceded, just given back ;)

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    What a nice thing to argue about, a Ferrari 1-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvantiFer View Post
    I think Felipe earned it pretty well in Hokenheim, it wouldn't be ceded, just given back ;)
    That's exactly why you don't understand what i'm saying, because you think it can be "given back"! It can't. Hockenheim has gone. Felipe doesnt need the win for the WDC (it wont give him an extra place) or the WCC. It's worthless except in the eyes of certain people who want a pseudo cuddly ending to make it feel better. Unless Massa wants it, it's pointless. My point is that I very much doubt that he does.


    Best to put this one to bed methinks. It's not going to happen and all we care about is Ferrari winning the championship to justify the whole thing in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    I'll never understand why anyone would think that a token gesture would make the slightest difference to anything or anyone. Giving someone something you don't need isn't the same as giving someone something that you do. To equate the two is pointless. I think it would be self serving & patronising to both drivers and to racing fans alike.
    I can see this week is a stresful one for most of us but let's try not to take things too seriously here personally I think a win is a win I dont think it matters how you win but lets see which win would Felipe savor more in the following general senarios

    1. Alonso moves over & Felipe Wins - I think he'd gladly accept
    2. Vettel blows up & Felipe Wins - I think he'd gladly accept
    3. Hamilton goes wide & Felipe Wins - I think he'd gladly accept
    4. The enire field has mechanicals & Felipe Wins soley- I think he'd gladly accept



    ahhh a nice "cuddly" ending

    5. Schumi moves over and lets Felipe in the bed - goodnight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    That's exactly why you don't understand what i'm saying, because you think it can be "given back"! It can't. Hockenheim has gone. Felipe doesnt need the win for the WDC (it wont give him an extra place) or the WCC. It's worthless except in the eyes of certain people who want a pseudo cuddly ending to make it feel better. Unless Massa wants it, it's pointless. My point is that I very much doubt that he does.


    Best to put this one to bed methinks. It's not going to happen and all we care about is Ferrari winning the championship to justify the whole thing in the first place
    I understood what you said from the very begining, I think we just have different opinions because I think drivers actually care about their stats just like students care about their grades. That's why drivers celebrate their 300 GPs, their wins, etcetera. If Felipe cares or not about that win I think it is clear, just look at how he behaved after the GP, the reaction of Rob, etc.

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