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    Thumbs down Red Bull team orders/comments thread (all in here please)

    Webber has been with Red Bull since 2007, when they were a midfield contender.
    But the team have made it clear that they are building their future around 23-year-old Vettel, who joined in 2009 after being part of their driver development programme.
    The issue of the team's apparent preference for Vettel has been a running theme this season .
    Webber led the championship for the first time this year after the Monaco Grand Prix in May. He lost it to Hamilton, regained it, and then lost it to Alonso after crashing out of the last race in South Korea two weeks ago, where Vettel retired from the lead with an engine failure.
    When Webber's comments were put to team principal Christian Horner, he said: "It's not inconvenient (that Mark has been leading the championship).
    "Mark has had tremendous support from the team. The team have given him a great car and we've done our best to give them both equal equipment.
    "I'd have to understand what Mark was meaning by those comments. He's probably referring to the support of Sebastian by Helmut Marko (Red Bull's special adviser, who is close to team owner Dietrich Mateschitz).
    "But that doesn't change how the team operate. Dietrich has always been very clear - he doesn't mind whether it's the oldest or the youngest world champion. We've given both as much support as we can.
    "Obviously it would have been very convenient for Mark if we'd said Seb would be his rear gunner for the last few races. But that was never going to be the way we went racing - whichever way round the drivers were."
    The controversy was heightened in the last week when former F1 driver Gerhard Berger, who is close to Mateschitz, said on Red Bull's own TV station that he thought Webber had let his car run back across the track after his crash in Korea in an attempt to take out one of his championship rivals - he ended up hitting Mercedes's Nico Rosberg.
    Webber responded sarcastically to those remarks on Thursday by saying: "First of all, I lost control of the car and then I've regained control and tried to take someone out. I'm a bit of a genius, aren't I?"
    He added: "Gerhard has had some pretty nasty accidents in his time and so have I. I would never put myself or anyone else in any more danger than I need to."
    Horner said Berger's comments were "purely his personal view".
    He added: "They're nothing to do with the team and it's certainly not a team view. We have always believed in freedom of speech."
    Horner admitted that the team were open to the possibility of asking one driver to support the other in one of the final two races if the mathematics of the championship made it the obvious tactic.
    Vettel said he was still "full of hope" that he could win the world championship.
    "We've seen how much things can change in one weekend," he said.
    With Alonso's team-mate Felipe Massa making it clear he will help Alonso, McLaren are also in the awkward position of deciding when to ask Button to do the same.
    Team principal Martin Whitmarsh said this week that the team would make the decision depending on the situation in the race.
    Button said that this weekend they would not be allowed to do that as team orders are banned in F1, but that he would make his own decision on the matter.
    "[Martin] won't ask me, no," added Button. "The team won't ask me to do anything because that's illegal.
    "If I can't win the race, I'll make what I feel is the right decision during the race and it will be entirely my decision."
    Hamilton agreed that he did not need Button's help on the track and that the best outcome would be for McLaren to perform strongly as a team.

    "We can help ourselves by just getting the best out of the car," added Hamilton.
    "It would be great to have both of us at the best that we've been all year, both of us right up there and doing that to divide the group - that's the only way we can help each other."
    Hamilton needs results to go his way on Sunday if he is to regain the title he won at Interlagos in 2008, but he remained upbeat about his chances.
    "It is still in my hands and I am generally quite relaxed," said Hamilton.
    "Whatever results I'm able to achieve puts me in a stronger or weaker position. I just have to finish ahead of them and hope what goes on behind me is positive for me.
    "If I win the next two races I put myself in the best position possible. I never have problems giving up. I always push to the last moment.
    "The gap seems a lot but anything can happen."
    Button, who captured his 2009 crown in Brazil, conceded it has now become difficult to defend his title.
    "I want to fight for it again," Button said. "Most of this season I have been fighting for the world championship. Now it's very difficult to continue fighting, but there's still a bit of hope.
    "I want to win the race so that's my main aim. It'll be pretty close around this circuit which makes the fight for the title even better."

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    Vettel also quoted to German tv today: "if Mark needs help, he should take the medical car". Webber apparently not amused nor surprised. Wow people saying that our boys had a bad relationship should just look at theirs.

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    So much for Horner crying about Ferrari team orders!!

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    oh no no no mark... red bull isnt favoring vettel. they're actually building the team around him coz he's the future of red bull. sorry mate. i feel for you

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    of course they do (favour vettel).

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    Just like McLaren then, while they busy fighting themself, we stole the championship from right under their nose


    Yep, they should keep it up.

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    the thing is Mr RedBull has a Fetish about people called Sebastian so Mark Webber should of known before signing his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpman View Post
    the thing is Mr RedBull has a Fetish about people called Sebastian so Mark Webber should of known before signing his contract.
    It he wants to win he had better change his name to Seb Webber!


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    It is f***ing obvious

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    It's good for ferrari and us ferrari fans that red bull and mclaren are racing against themselves as well...

    Ferrari is only racing: Red Bull and Mclaren
    Red Bull is racing: Red Bull, Ferrari and Mclaren. Same with Mclaren.

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    i actually feel sorry for Webber
    not gonna change my profile picture

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    I think they do but Mark's comments to the press over the last few weeks really reminds me of Prost.

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    Red Bull may still have the fastest car but I feel they are amongst the slowest when it comes to dealing with the inner workings of a team.

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    MTV (finnish TV) has reported Webber will leave RB 'Kimi-style', meaning RB will pay him out but he can't go to another team for 2011.

    Of course all just rumours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katu View Post
    i actually feel sorry for Webber
    I don't feel sorry for him at all. He's got the best car on the grid, he's being allowed to challenge for the WDC himself rather than help Seb, and he seems more than strong enough mentally to withstand any problems in the team.
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    He should take Vettel out in the next 2 races

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann View Post
    MTV (finnish TV) has reported Webber will leave RB 'Kimi-style', meaning RB will pay him out but he can't go to another team for 2011.

    Of course all just rumours.
    Source for this rumour was BBC like always

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    I love to see webber win the wdc just to shove his finger up vettel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie View Post
    I love to see webber win the wdc just to shove his finger up vettel
    No thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifosi View Post
    No thanks
    i just dont like vettel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie View Post
    i just dont like vettel
    Who does?
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    Cool Red Bull drivers should be free to race - Alonso

    Fernando Alonso reckons Red Bull should practice what they preach and allow their drivers to race each other until the chequered flag at the final race of the season in Abu Dhabi.

    Alonso currently leads the championship by eight points from Mark Webber, meaning a second place finish will secure him the title. However, if Sebastian Vettel, who won in Brazil, leads Webber over the line, then Alonso only needs a fourth place finish.

    Alonso's title campaign was aided by his team-mate earlier in the year, when Felipe Massa moved over and handed him the victory at the German Grand Prix. But he sees the Red Bull situation in a different light.

    "Red Bull has spent three months preaching about equality, so now they should continue with the same philosophy," he told El Pais.

    The Ferrari driver said that his objective in Abu Dhabi was clear and he is 100% confident he can achieve it.

    "I just need to finish second," he said. "It doesn't matter who wins in Abu Dhabi if I finish second. So the main goal for us is to be on pole on Saturday and to win the race on Sunday. If we cannot do that, because we are not quick enough, we try to be second. With that, the problem is finished."

    Alonso's Ferrari was outpaced by the Red Bulls at this weekend's Brazilian Grand Prix, but he is confident he will be competitive in Abu Dhabi.

    "I think here [in Brazil], with a better qualifying yesterday, or a dry qualifying maybe we could have overtaken a Red Bull at the start because we did a very good start and then the race changed from there," he said. "We will see if we can be in front of them in Abu Dhabi on Saturday. If not, probably the start will be our next opportunity and then we see. As I said before, if I'm fifth and Sebastian wins, I think Sebastian is world champion. So it's not so clear for them either, which one can win the race."

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    Thanks for posting oh dear some head scratching at RB this week


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    Exactly what I thought from the beginning.
    Red Bull were quick to bash us and now they have to swallow their own bitter medicine.

    if only Horner had some intellectual capacity to thought of this before shooting off his mouth in our direction. Now he looks like one of the biggest hypocrite

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    Horner in order not to look hypocrite must be busy finding code words to issue orders on penultimate lap at Abu Dhabi

    Nice one Alonso, but sorry, this comment won't fire them up not to use team orders. Team orders will come for RedBull

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    Vettel has already said if he can't win it then he will move over if it means Webber wins it, not a team order just common sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Vettel has already said if he can't win it then he will move over if it means Webber wins it, not a team order just common sense
    But, will he leave the circuit handcuffed then?

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    or he'll get mark back for that
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    Haha, great comment from Alonso, after all the **** they threw on him it's only fair he exposes their hypocrisy; of course they will employ those dirty, cheating and absolutely evil team orders they hated so much before, because talking about how honorable you are is free, but acting as such comes with a price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agron View Post
    Haha, great comment from Alonso, after all the **** they threw on him it's only fair he exposes their hypocrisy; of course they will employ those dirty, cheating and absolutely evil team orders they hated so much before, because talking about how honorable you are is free, but acting as such comes with a price.
    They have no need to employ team orders, Alonso really just gives his haters ammo with such comments in all honesty....
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