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    Someone will use the automatic F-duct in 2011?

    Its inventor explains how to adapt to new regulations

    The F-Duct shall be prohibited in its present form from 2011, but the Spanish engineer Zuriguel Diego Cano has developed an automatic system without the intervention of the electronics on the cars could benefit from a lower downforce at peak times, as happens now.

    A passive system of administration through automatic F in a Formula 1 car, this concept is meant to relieve the pilot of F through manual control and operate it in whole or in part in all possible times to be beneficial and safe. To have more chance of being accepted for incorporation by the current regulation, this system is passive and can not use any external electronic control.

    Nor would there be reason to ban it in the next season, because as recently approved by the FIA: "Any other system (referring to the adjustable rear wing future) movements requiring the pilot to alter the aerodynamic characteristics of the car will be banned since 2011" .

    Video demonstration - automatic F-Duct:


    To function, using its own forces G generated in the car. These are the G forces that control the operation of the system, contain useful data for the state of the car in every part of the circuit. For example:

    - The rapid acceleration in straight or curved, indicating that the car or out of unemployment, slow or just emerging from a slow curve after this one. In any case, it must turn off the tube F to get better traction.

    - Brakes, indicating that the car is prepared to draw a curve slower than your actual speed or you need to reduce speed or stop. In any case, it would be necessary to turn off the tube F to braking efficiency and get more grip to draw the upcoming curve.

    - Left or right curve, indicates that it is curving more or less demanding, for which completely deactivate through F in the most demanding of this curve and partly on the lighter.

    - G Forces stable, indicating that the car is stopped or is in a long straight or straight path cutting one or more consecutive curves, so the speed on the primary grip, for which the canal would be activated until these forces F G no longer stable.

    This system will be incorporated in the section of conduit containing the hole should be plugged now by pilots to operate the F-Duct (Fig. 1)


    Figure 1 Section of conduit and taponaría hole is to drive the F-Duct.

    This part will place the main part of the system to define as "mounting" (Fig. 2). This piece can be moved freely along the canal and turn around, and is basically a tube inside another. By submitting this actuator G forces supporting the car, moves forward under braking and acceleration backwards, while turning a sharp left turn to right and right to left curves.


    Figure 2 Actuator

    To limit the movement of this piece and return to its original position when the G forces are stabilized couple them to spring (Fig. 3) at one end of the actuator, which will set the tube through the other end of the actuator for focusing and that covers the opening drive of the F-Duct in the absence of rapid acceleration or braking and releasing this hole when any of these conditions in proportion. For this system can also turn around and release through the hole in the corners, will incorporate a bearing (Fig. 3) between spring retainer and the line.


    Spring and bearing Fig. 3

    Like you need to limit the movement of the actuator during acceleration and braking, it is also necessary to do so in the corners. To do this hold the party bearing that holds the spring with rubber bands, springs or small buffers (Fig. 4) then we will post at the other end of the duct. Thus, the actuator will also return to its original position after each rotation curve.


    Figure 4 Attaching the bearing to limit its rotation

    Finally incorporate the actuator properly balanced system (Fig. 5) to facilitate the movement of the G-forces.


    Fig 5 Example of checks

    The actuator may be modified according to the characteristics of each circuit by modifying three simple levels (Fig. 6).


    Figure 6 Setting tolerances

    Also, the spring characteristics, counterweights and gums or dampers may also suit the needs of each circuit. You can also join another set of spring-bearing (symmetrical to the first) to the other end of the actuator to control movement and recovery better braking.

    *Passive management through automatic F-duct 3-ways.

    With the previous system opens the possibility of administering more than one line F simultaneously.

    In this case, the F-Duct administer standard plus two additional F-Duct, one would have to be designed to facilitate left-hander like one for right turns. These F-Duct additional downforce could take something where most suitable in each case.

    Video simulation of operation: F-Duct three-way:


    To avoid gaining weight and dimensions as would the placement of 3 separate systems, use one of these systems dividing into 3 parts inside the duct (Fig. 7) and make 2 more holes in it. Thus, each time one of the holes clog control the corresponding F-Duct without disrupting the other two.


    Figure 7 details inside the duct triple

    These additional holes are clogged only in their respective corners and where there is both rapid acceleration and braking. The hole size and shape can be varied to suit the characteristics of each circuit.



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    Its a good idea, but I'm almost certain it is illegal as it would fall under the classification of a moveable aerodynamic device.

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    The F-Duct was clever because it was not technically a moveable aero device. While this does look very interesting, it is a moveable aerodynamic dynamic device.

    The new rule introduced by the FIA stops the teams using an F-Duct unless it's passive

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    Sorry but how is this movable aero device? Under the new rules this could be seen as an passive / semi active F-Duckt but not movable aero...

    This could / would fall in the same basket as mass damper Renault had... Not against the rules but rather not in the spirit of the rules... imho

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    This would be seen as completely against the rules.

    As Jose mentions the trick with the F-Duct was using the driver as they were previously exempt from the movable aero device rule.

    If you think about it for a moment this is a mechanical device that effects aero performance by moving - hence a movable aero device, its very much against the rules not just the spirit. There are other ways to design fluid switches to allow for a passive F-Duct the question only becomes if they are successful enough to warrant further spending and if they have too much negative impact on the aero performance during cornering.

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    That is pretty cool. Looks like the little black arms could break easily, though...

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    How about using air pressure present on the nose of the car to actuate the F Duct, no driver involvement but settable/tunable by the mechanics for the track? Tunable being able to activate based on a certain PSI, kind of like a pop off valve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrndLkNatv View Post
    How about using air pressure present on the nose of the car to actuate the F Duct, no driver involvement but settable/tunable by the mechanics for the track? Tunable being able to activate based on a certain PSI, kind of like a pop off valve.
    I thought so as well at first as it would not be too hard to develop (Mercedes used a similar system last year I believe)

    However if you look through the changes to the rules you will notice they have banned the extra slots in the rear wing that are required to make this system work, so its very unlikely anyone will be able to run an F-Duct like system this year.

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    Interesting idea, however there could be some issues with the loss of downforce as the G-forces changes through left-right transitions. For example, it would be awful to suddenly lose downforce on the rear wing when going through esses at Suzuka or Becketts at Silverstone.

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