Ferrari said last night: "There will be changes at Ferrari for sure"

[steelstallions]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...ari-formulaone

A source close to Ferrari said last night: "There will be changes at Ferrari for sure. What happened on Sunday was a big, heavy mistake.

"But they won't be changing the car, Alonso, the president or Domenicali. Instead there will be changes to the inefficient pit area. It may not even be a sacking. But next season some important people will no longer hold the positions they do today."

What's your opinion on who should be changed in the pit area and who have we already got who could replace them?

NB: This is the Guardian so don't believe all they write, they like rubbing salt in wounds, but the pit decisions have been costly.

[Greig]

No need to change anything IMO, Alonso seems happy with his crew, Felipe happy with his

Lesson learnt, we move on and don't do it again please

[Hermann]

I don't agree. There are changes needed, definitely. Since Chris Dyer came out totally accepting his responsibility, i assume he will be one of those people.

[GrndLkNatv]

No need to change anything IMO, Alonso seems happy with his crew, Felipe happy with his

Lesson learnt, we move on and don't do it again please

Well hopefully they don't go to the General Motors way of doing things. Back a few years ago the engineers @ Toyota challenged the engineers at GM to a rowing race down the Thames in a Scull. Anyway the first year it was 8 guys rowing for Toyota and 8 rowing for GM, both boats having a coxswain in the stern. Toyota won the first event so GM went home and made some changes. The next year Toyota showed up with 8 rowing and one coxswain in the rear. GM showed up with 7 rowing and 2 coxswains in the rear. Toyota beat the pants off of GM again. GM went home and made more changes, spent millions, the next year GM showed up with 6 rowing, 3 coxswains yelling, and on and on it went until the GM Scull was just adrift in the pond at the competition and they decided to withdraw from racing...

[Mrs.Domenicali]

Not that unusual for F1 teams to restructure and make organisational changes over the winter anyway, I would be pretty skeptical any changes are as a result of one strategy call.

[Greig]

I don't agree. There are changes needed, definitely. Since Chris Dyer came out totally accepting his responsibility, i assume he will be one of those people.

did he?

[GrndLkNatv]

Yes, Chris said it was his decision along with help from Andrea, but who knows how true that is, was from the press.

[AvantiFer]

The most important thing Ferrari should change is the development team. No way that with the biggest budget three is (almost double than McLaren or RBR IIRC) we are struggling to get a competitive car.

[Greig]

The most important thing Ferrari should change is the development team. No way that with the biggest budget three is (almost double than McLaren or RBR IIRC) we are struggling to get a competitive car.

Half our budget pays for Alonso I doubt we are double RB and McLaren and neither of them make engines either

[epiclyaddicted]

Not jumping on the bandwagon, but I get a feeling Chris Dyer might be going. Not a full on sacking, but may be after some internal restructuring, put him away from the race team to a factory position? We'll see...

[GrndLkNatv]

If it were me, I would be looking to poach a certain CFD Engineer from Red Bull, along with a few others from a fighter making aircraft company.

[siberianlady]

The Guardian- yeah well phooey. And Italian politicians calling for heads to roll (Luca di) is even more heat of the moment reaction than Fernando waving a frustrated fist. Ferrari need to to what they usually do- regroup-discuss what and why it went wrong and come back stronger and more determined. Sacking someone will only disrupt the team and make others nervous and probably induce other mistakes...........
They need to get on with the young driver and Pirelli tests, have a break and get on with 2011.

[siberianlady]

The most important thing Ferrari should change is the development team. No way that with the biggest budget three is (almost double than McLaren or RBR IIRC) we are struggling to get a competitive car.

Well we have made some changes already haven't we? Marc Surer for example is convinced Fry has introduced a breath of fresh air since he joined mid season.......coincidence with our recovery perhaps or not?

[AvantiFer]

Half our budget pays for Alonso I doubt we are double RB and McLaren and neither of them make engines either

And they seem to be getting a good ratio out of that money, don't they?

2010 F1 Team Budgets and Payment Speed

Team Est. 2010budget No.of Day bills paid after due date

Ferrari £260m 16
McLaren £137m 14
Mercedes £173m 9
Williams £85m 6
Renault £134m 5
Red Bull Racing £134m 1
Toro Rosso £82m 0
Force India £78m N/A
Sauber £46m N/A
Lotus £52m No Data
Virgin £36m No Data
HRT £33m No Data

Source: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=40573

[Greig]

Not jumping on the bandwagon, but I get a feeling Chris Dyer might be going. Not a full on sacking, but may be after some internal restructuring, put him away from the race team to a factory position? We'll see...

Seems he was just given his role out of nobody else being around when they decided to shuffle Luca B sideways....

[Grinsomx]

The most important thing Ferrari should change is the development team. No way that with the biggest budget three is (almost double than McLaren or RBR IIRC) we are struggling to get a competitive car.

not sure if they should change the people in the team, but they do need to get away from thinking "inside the box", imo that hurt us a lot these last 2 or 3 years.
where other teams come with innovative and sometimes controversial ideas, it looks like we stay with those same conservative ways of development.
some fresh blood might help us with that, but looking at the past year, our team is perfectly capable of developing ideas they should have had first.
i dont think it's as easy as changing a few people.

[Greig]

And they seem to be getting a good ratio out of that money, don't they?

we have not seen his 6/10ths yet

[TIFOSI_FERRARI]

we need Neil Martin, who is currently the chief strategist in the Red Bull team.

[The Architect]

While I would prefer not to see heads roll, it's hard not to feel utterly bewildered by such a bad decision. While we've moved on from certain wet tyre choice fiascos, attempting to cover Webber while knowing we'd have to overtake two cars around Abu Dhabi is precisely the sort of gamble that should have set alarm bells ringing immediately. I get the impression such lazy reactionary thinking resulted from the pressure and a failure to think things through, which even Legard saw. We need someone able to make better decisions under pressure.

[Mrs.Domenicali]

we need Neil Martin, who is currently the chief strategist in the Red Bull team.

Easy to be the best strategist though when you've got the dominant car, no?

[AvantiFer]

we have not seen his 6/10ths yet

Ask Massa, he should know about these

[AvantiFer]

not sure if they should change the people in the team, but they do need to get away from thinking "inside the box", imo that hurt us a lot these last 2 or 3 years.
where other teams come with innovative and sometimes controversial ideas, it looks like we stay with those same conservative ways of development.
some fresh blood might help us with that, but looking at the past year, our team is perfectly capable of developing ideas they should have had first.
i dont think it's as easy as changing a few people.

I really like the RBR approach. They have a young style of doing things, being innovative and risking it, working in a fun environment like putting loud music in the garage while fixing the cars, doing some nice celebrations... small details that make things go different. Indeed we need some young people in the team!

One good thing RedBull has, is that they have marketing involved which they have to be "young", it's their way of work as they sell a product that targets that market. And that way of working is working nicely for them...

[Tifosi]

Avantifred. Why not stop trolling and give us all a break?

[Greig]

And no other team plays music ever Was our celebrations not nice enough for you too? maybe we should fix those out too next season

[RockyRaccoon]

I agree we shouldn't change anything...continuity is the best way to reduce errors...tighten up what we already have. There have been some great pitwall moments like Monza and Singapore this year.

[Grillo]

I don't know. I posted a poll because I want to know what you think. Specially those who have been following Ferrari for 5 years or more.

[AvantiFer]

And no other team plays music ever Was our celebrations not nice enough for you too? maybe we should fix those out too next season

Believe me, I know something about marketing, and Ferrari approach is much more conservative, and it happens to be the same when innovating in the developments as someone mentioned in this thread.

Music and high volume in abu dhabi before the race started like nothing happened - marketing stuff
Doing little ships with redbull cans - marketing stuff
Webber with the fire estinguisher doing weird things - marketing stuff
Vettel with the redbull in his head - marketing stuff

I'm 100% sure that the marketing team from the RedBull company did a lot of talks to the RBR team to introduce them to a young way of doing things, a fresh way to do things. When you create such a young environment everyone gets to work in the same manner, they "feel" that way and just follow it because it is a nice approach. That's a common way of working in some companies where the innovation is crucial, you just need to be in an environment that makes being innovative easier.

edit: an example of this would be google for example, search for how they work, and compare it to the corporativism of microsoft (in the last years anyway, now they're following what google is doing)

We need to follow that path... my 5 cents.

[Grinsomx]

I really like the RBR approach. They have a young style of doing things, being innovative and risking it, working in a fun environment like putting loud music in the garage while fixing the cars, doing some nice celebrations... small details that make things go different. Indeed we need some young people in the team!

One good thing RedBull has, is that they have marketing involved which they have to be "young", it's their way of work as they sell a product that targets that market. And that way of working is working nicely for them...

working nicely for them when ferrari messed things up, sure they won both titles...but that was not all down to skills alone.
Ferrari as a team was so busy watching webber that they forgot those 60y of team experience and almost gave away the title.
it's not just about changing people or we would have seen a force india on pole allready, but there really is something wrong within our team.
how they will change it..i really dont know, but i'm sure Ferrari will find a way, they have been doing this for years.
with loyal employees and a bond that is hard to fake (or do just because it's a nice marketing campaign).
you might like the RBR way of working, but i dont think they are all that shows on the outside.
a driver rarely complains about his team without reason!
RBR had the superior car in 2010, hats off to them for that. let's see how they will do when their car is not 100% like the F2010 was this year.
I stand by my team, it's not as easy as just changing a few people but we need to react to these last 2 years for sure.

[Grillo]

We need to follow that path... my 5 cents.

I know you have good feelings for Ferrari, you love Alonso and you want Ferrari to be the best team in the world (which they are already) but what would you say if Ferrari had won it? It's a bit opportunistic, we're all disappointed but there are many good things in Ferrari and I have discovered most of them this season. I think one of these good things are the people.

[Greig]

Believe me, I know something about marketing, and Ferrari approach is much more conservative, and it happens to be the same when innovating in the developments as someone mentioned in this thread.

Music and high volume in abu dhabi before the race started like nothing happened - marketing stuff
Doing little ships with redbull cans - marketing stuff
Webber with the fire estinguisher doing weird things - marketing stuff
Vettel with the redbull in his head - marketing stuff

Right I am off to buy a Red Bull to drive.....oh wait....

Ferrari don't need to market to 18 year olds.....