2011 Launches - All teams

**Tifosi** · 2nd February 2011, 00:36

yeah, involves changing homologated parts, a lot of heat shielding from lots of key components including the fuel cell and serious engine remapping due to the longer pipework involved from what i've read. Can't see it myself!

**Salvador Dali** · 2nd February 2011, 01:24

Well I hope so! But I think every team will check it out - they must. It was the same with DDD & F-duckt. But maybe, and I truly hope so, it does little and you get loads of trouble. On the engine side every Reno client will be able to do so.

Maybe even McLaren since where there is smoke there is McLaren...

**NJB13** · 2nd February 2011, 01:44

Originally Posted by Tifosi

yeah, involves changing homologated parts, a lot of heat shielding from lots of key components including the fuel cell and serious engine remapping due to the longer pipework involved from what i've read. Can't see it myself!

That plus I'm not convinced anyone will want to include it because, so far, for me it takes more than it gives. We might see it disappear like some other great ideas. Remember this one:

**Salvador Dali** · 2nd February 2011, 02:24

I was doing some reaserch and found this on Scarbsf1 blog explaining the Reno's exhaust and it looks like you don't need to alter that much on the homologated parts. It's more about heat shields and engine mapping. So I guess we will see who will try to go down this route. I hope not many as the inconsistent flow of fumes can lead to uneven downforce rate. Not to mention the risk of a broken pipe...

Originally Posted by Scarbsf1

Unlike the McLaren F-duct, it is possible for this solution to be copied as no monocoque alterations are required.

**SS454** · 2nd February 2011, 03:31

The Red Bull looks amazingly sleek. Have to assume it'll be among the best, if not the best car in 2011 given its recent years performance and design team.

**Ste** · 2nd February 2011, 07:53

Originally Posted by Salvador Dali

I was doing some reaserch and found this on Scarbsf1 blog explaining the Reno's exhaust and it looks like you don't need to alter that much on the homologated parts. It's more about heat shields and engine mapping. So I guess we will see who will try to go down this route. I hope not many as the inconsistent flow of fumes can lead to uneven downforce rate. Not to mention the risk of a broken pipe...

I still don't think people will try it. Unless Renault are suddenly winning races and it's clear why I imagine everyone will stick to their current setup. I just can't see how they can redesign a car that much in the 4 weeks or so we have until Bahrain.

**NJB13** · 2nd February 2011, 08:49

Be funny if we're the next team to show something like this (and this was what they alluded to way back when our car was launched).

Train bumpy this morning Ste?

**Ste** · 2nd February 2011, 09:04

Originally Posted by NJB13

Be funny if we're the next team to show something like this (and this was what they alluded to way back when our car was launched).

Train bumpy this morning Ste?

No train today! Just home sweet home!

**NJB13** · 2nd February 2011, 09:08

Originally Posted by Ste

No train today! Just home sweet home!

You get fired yesterday for spending too much time following F1 on the iPhone?

**Ste** · 2nd February 2011, 09:10

Originally Posted by NJB13

You get fired yesterday for spending too much time following F1 on the iPhone?

Nar, I can't fire myself!

**NJB13** · 2nd February 2011, 09:18

Originally Posted by Ste

Nar, I can't fire myself!

So I take it you got about as much work done yesterday as me

**Ste** · 2nd February 2011, 09:19

Originally Posted by NJB13

So I take it you got about as much work done yesterday as me

Oh a big fat zero! I was coming back from Mrs.Alonso's - hence the train

**Kyss4k** · 2nd February 2011, 10:08

I don't know If it's here already but... There are pics of the Lotus Renault and it's exhaust system:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...xhaust-system/

**Salvador Dali** · 3rd February 2011, 01:06

On Scarbsf1 they explain the new RB exhaust system... I think most will copy this one rather than the Reno one...

Originally Posted by scarbsf1

When the RB7 was launched the cars apparent lack of any innovation was surprising. Yet the car ran in its launch guise during the first day of testing. Then, in only the tests second day, the RB7 evolved with a new diffuser and exhaust system. Despite rule changes Newey has found the loophole that allows exhausts to blow inside the diffuser for more downforce. Although the rules were revised for 2011 to try to prevent double diffuser and openings to allow the exhaust to blow inside the diffuser. The rules did permit openings in the outer 5cm of the diffuser, an area where teams have recently split the floor and created raised lip, coincidentally a practice first exploited by Newey on the RB5.

In my 2011 trends and solutions post (see http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/0...and-solutions/) I proposed this area could be exploited if the exhausts could be routed there: “ The only openings in the diffuser are the starter motor hole and a 5cm area on the outer section of floor. Exhausts could be routed to this outer section of floor, but routing the large diameter exhausts across the floor could create their own blockage effect in-between the rear wheels. Offsetting the benefit they are supposed to provide.”

It appears Newey had the same idea and has presented the modified RB7 with flattened exhausts reaching rearwards under carbon overs (shown yellow in the above picture) these reach towards the outer 5cm of floor and blow under the raised lip in the floor. The fast moving exhaust gas then curves inside and blows out via the sidewall of the diffuser (shown below with the red arrow). Blowing inside the diffuser this way helps accelerate the airflow out of the diffuser and increases downforce. As with last years EBDs they will be sensitive to throttle openings and Renault have assisted as much as possible in accommodating the aerodynamics with a special overrun strategy, to keep the exhausts gas velocity as high as possible without overheating the engine (see http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/0...teams-q3-pace/).

**TheProdigalSon** · 3rd February 2011, 01:40

I wonder if this makes the Reno one obsolete since the loop hole to blow it through the diffuser has already been found

**bkircher** · 3rd February 2011, 02:27

Or it could just be another way to do it. No doubt the one closest to the diffuser will be the more effective one because of the higher temperatures, but the Reno one just could be another option. Gotta hand it to the RB guys tho.

**scuderiafan** · 3rd February 2011, 17:28

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

I wonder if this makes the Reno one obsolete since the loop hole to blow it through the diffuser has already been found

Exactly! i'm sure that Ferrari have something like that for the F150. Tombazisis and Costa were talking about the exhaust changing in a new aero upgrade.

Renault's is just a clever solution, but not the only one. The RB solution looks better to me.

**Salvador Dali** · 3rd February 2011, 18:18

Don't know if this was already posted but it made me fell better about the whole radical thing...

Originally Posted by Autosport

Ferrari insists it is not worried about the extreme car designs that rivals teams have unveiled in Valencia this week.

The Maranello outfit appears to have adopted a more conservative approach with its new F150 compared to some other teams - with Renault and Red Bull Racing utilising more radical exhaust layouts and Toro Rosso using a twin-floor concept.

But despite its car being more standard, Ferrari technical director Aldo Costa thinks that being more on-the-edge with car design is no guarantee of success on the track.

"I think the fastest car will be the car that will have the best blend between aero performance, mechanical characteristics of the car, and reliability – so we have to see," Costa said on the final day of testing in Valencia.

"If you have done extreme solutions then maybe you are paying the penalty on other aspects. So you need to have a very balanced approach to have a fast and winning car."

Hope he is correct on this matter...

**scuderiafan** · 3rd February 2011, 19:17

But there is one thing worrying me. Renault, and supposedly McLaren, Mercedes have the exhaust thingie on the car. RedBull look like they have a better version on their car.err

Anyone got any news on ferrari party pieces. Hopefully, it is different and better than the rest, but please, i want to know. thank you

**Rob** · 3rd February 2011, 19:55

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

Exactly! i'm sure that Ferrari have something like that for the F150. Tombazisis and Costa were talking about the exhaust changing in a new aero upgrade.

Renault's is just a clever solution, but not the only one. The RB solution looks better to me.

i thought i read somewhere that we may have (or will have) exhaust exiting more central out back blowing into diffuser.

**scuderiafan** · 3rd February 2011, 20:17

Originally Posted by Rob

i thought i read somewhere that we may have (or will have) exhaust exiting more central out back blowing into diffuser.

Thank you man!

I guess we will find out in Jerez at the earliest.

I just want to be sure that Ferrari arent just standing back and copying anything good from other cars like some are saying.

**Rob** · 3rd February 2011, 20:22

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

Thank you man!

I guess we will find out in Jerez at the earliest.

I just want to be sure that Ferrari arent just standing back and copying anything good from other cars like some are saying.

thats ok

but im not 100% sure on that 1 (maybe 97%) no think have learnt lesson from last season, the hard way

by getting own innovations into action. Cannt see the team standing back this year. Forza Ferrari

**Salvador Dali** · 3rd February 2011, 22:36

Originally Posted by Rob

i thought i read somewhere that we may have (or will have) exhaust exiting more central out back blowing into diffuser.

I found only this:

Originally Posted by scarbsf1

Ferrari F150 – Starter Motor Hole – Blown Diffuser

Ferrari are amongst many teams that have placed their exhausts down low close the cars centreline. In doing this they are passing some of the exhaust gas through the starter motor hole in the diffuser to create more downforce. This solution was likely given the cars exhaust and diffuser layout, but was proven when Felipe Massa’s fire on the third day of testing showed the flames passing not only over, but also through diffuser via the starter hole. Given the rule changes this year, this solution is surprisingly legal.

Teams were using this legal opening in the diffuser last for year aiding their double diffusers. Using the opening as an extra slot to make the diffuser more aggressive, just as rear wings use more slots to allow them more angle-of-attack. Mid season in 2010 the FIA issued a clarification to reduce the size of the slot. This formally made it into the technical regulations for 2011 as article 3.12.7.

3.12.7 An aperture for the purpose of allowing access for the device referred to in Article 5.16 is permitted in this surface. However, no such aperture may have an area greater than 3500mm2 when projected onto the surface itself and no point on the aperture may be more than 100mm from any other point on the aperture.

It doesn’t state or prohibit what else the aperture can be used for, just its maximum surface area and width can be. A rectangular slot would be 10cm wide and 3.5 cm tall, a simple round hole would be a 66mm in diameter.

As the FIA moved to prevent double diffuser, the loophole allowing opening the floor was also closed to the kind of open fronted diffuser as used by Red bull and latterly many of the top teams. With this change in the rules teams are limited in how they can blow the exhaust into the diffuser. Aside from Red Bulls exploitation of the outer 5cm of floor, the only other option is to blow some of the gas through the starter motor hole.
By pointing the exhausts along the sides of the gearbox the fast moving gas flow will pass over the top of the diffuser, when it hits the trailing edge and gurney flap it will help draw more flow underneath the diffuser.

**Curbs** · 4th February 2011, 11:05

Hate to say it, But damn, McLarens launch online is cool!!! Different people taking parts and then they put the car together...

**Ste** · 4th February 2011, 11:06

McLaren are currently unveiling their 2011 MP4-26 in Berlin.

And, they're not showing the completed car...yet. The mechanics are putting the car together infront of the crowd. No wheels on, was no engine cover and various other pieces.

Weirdo's.