Hard to copy Renault exhaust concept - Costa

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It would not be the work of a day to emulate the Renault-like front exhaust system, Ferrari technical director Aldo Costa has admitted.

Of the innovative ideas seen so far in 2011, the R31's forward-exiting exhausts looks potentially the cleverest, amid speculation other teams are already trialling the layout in simulation.

McLaren is believed to also have an ace up its sleeve in the form of a similar exhaust layout, moving Germany's Auto Motor und Sport to ask Costa if Ferrari can also quickly follow suit.

But when asked if it will be hard to copy the idea, the Italian answered: "I would say so, yes.

"The exhaust of Renault needs to be integrated with the chassis, thinking twice about the cooling and the housing of the electronic boxes."

Costa confirmed that the last couple of seasons have seen a moving away from the optimising of existing solutions to more radical innovations.

"For sure it has something to do with the major regulation reforms of 2009," he said. "Everyone has worked with new concepts.

"As long as the rules are not stable, we will see many innovations. Only when the rules are the same for three, four years will we be back to another optimisation phase."

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=400537

[burak karakutuk]

Costa and Tombazis both said that they have a major update for Bahrain.But now everboyd talks about Renualt exhaust concept.I wonder when we see our whole car,and will it work?Team has a big confidence for aerodynamical step.I hope we wont copy someone's system again.We must find something that no one has

[Hermann]

I doubt this even worth copying. The Renault has cooling issues and problem with the Kers.

[Ste]

Good, because I don't want us to copy it. Doesn't appear to have any benefit so it's not really worth wasting time over.

[ferrari4life]

please please not let us be in another year of copying other ideas..I hope it does not come down to this at all.

[burak karakutuk]

Good, because I don't want us to copy it. Doesn't appear to have any benefit so it's not really worth wasting time over.

ohh i see and i am getting much optimistic now thanks:))

[Grillo]

I expect we can get some good ideas from others and maybe copy something here and there but I hope we don't need to copy as to have to change the car that much.

[scuderiafan]

I dont think that results in that big a prformance gain, for all the effort, and mucking up the cars balance.

[Rob]

what i see, it doesnt really make much difference. Keep exhaust where they are, still do the job, if not better.

[Tony]

The problem from the article that I see though is that Red Bull's system, which appears to be more complicated, will be even harder to copy this year.... so if Ferrari are on the backfoot at the beginning of the season, it may turn into a long year for us fans.....

[yellowbird rs]

http://video.gazzetta.it/f1--lotus-r...7-50d5df2bfa64

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

http://video.gazzetta.it/f1--lotus-r...7-50d5df2bfa64

nice vids :)

[RedRebel40]

where are the times when everyone tried to copy inovations of the Ferrari?

[Nova]

You guys dont get it..everyone HAS to try it, at least in the sim...

[FerrariF60]

where are the times when everyone tried to copy inovations of the Ferrari?

it seems like we dont' have anything worth copying anymore; maybe we had that in the past, but lately it seems like we are trying to built a so, so car and then hope we can copy stuff/innovative ideas from others....which is pretty sad if you ask me...even though i'm a DIE HARD FERRARI FAN.....

i just hope/pray that we have something up our sleeve and we're only going to show our "POKER HAND" come first qualifying session at the first race

[NJB13]

where are the times when everyone tried to copy inovations of the Ferrari?

McLaren have copied our Frizbee front wheels

[NJB13]

I'll give a proper translation of Costa's comments:-

"the Renault front exit exhaust is crap and we wouldn't bother trying to copy it"

[FerrariF60]

I'll give a proper translation of Costa's comments:-

"the Renault front exit exhaust is crap and we wouldn't bother trying to copy it"

ha, ha....that is too funny...and in a way i think it creates more problems then good....look at RENO, a.k.a renault, they're already having overheating issues due to it...and temperatures aren't even hot yet...wait till summer comes and/or races in parts of the world where's gonna be REAL hot...

[Hornet]

Hopefully we have our own fancy exhaust system waiting to be bolted on.

Our exhaust looks awfully simple. Doesn't look like they are even trying to take advantage of the exhaust gas for something

[zakfourie]

The problem from the article that I see though is that Red Bull's system, which appears to be more complicated, will be even harder to copy this year.... so if Ferrari are on the backfoot at the beginning of the season, it may turn into a long year for us fans.....

Was thinking the same....

[Hermann]

RB is having cooling issues as well. Their famous exhaust tends to toast their bottom plate. Why should Ferrari copy that? Just wait and see how it will be at the really hot places...

[scuderiafan]

There are rumours of Ferrari's mthod of channeling gases.

Take a look at this. quite interesting imo.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...9209&start=450

[Greig]

where are the times when everyone tried to copy inovations of the Ferrari?

Such as what?

What was innovative about the F2002, F2004 for instance?

[NJB13]

There are rumours of Ferrari's mthod of channeling gases.

Take a look at this. quite interesting imo.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...9209&start=450

Very interesting mate, thanks for the post.

It looks to me that we are actually trying to create turbulence for any car following. Nice little Ferrari gift, so extra hot exhaust gases and additional turbulence - fired out of our rear light unit. See how comfortable you feel sitting it that for a few laps.

I guess they could also conceivably use the faster flow out of the rear light unit to add to a low pressure area somewhere favourable

[Hornet]

RB is having cooling issues as well. Their famous exhaust tends to toast their bottom plate. Why should Ferrari copy that? Just wait and see how it will be at the really hot places...

If it brings its own advantages in creating more downforce, then we'll have to look into it and try to come up with our own solution. Because the Red Bull will solve it and that would give them an advantage when they do. An idea with problem doesn't mean the problem cannot be fix.

So its either we have our own working idea waiting to be reveal, or we're going to have to copy their solution.

[RedRebel40]

Such as what?

What was innovative about the F2002, F2004 for instance?

the whole rear of the cars. remember early in 2002? the other teams thought that our gearbox was inside of the engine
Lots of technical analysts were writing about the rear of the Ferrari

[xpman]

simple is the best always has been always will be ...over design over thinking things . and anyways All the best Idears are just reworked old idears like the BRM exhaust used by all teams few years back re workd on by ferrari and all followed. then theres the shark fin etc etc etc. people like Newey and Rory all they did is use modern tech to improve the good old idears you and sometimes come up with Totaly new and fresh idears . think RedBull 1st ever team use push rod/pullrod suspension No Gordon Murray with Brabham in the 70s (like Byrne a South African intresting since hes only a few years older than Murray must been something in the water back then for have 2 great designers in few years apart haha.).