Alonso attempted to sabotage Hamilton's car

[Suzie]

Would you have a link to the article, Alessandra? Thank you in advance!

It's in this month's F1 Racing magazine. I can't find a link online for it.

[Alessandra]

Would you have a link to the article, Alessandra? Thank you in advance!

Thanks also Suzie. You're right.

Hi MeigaYou might try following through on googling "F1 racing magazine download Alonso' where you may have to subscribe to read the article, but as it's the latest edition it may not yet be available online.
It's something of an antidote to the unpleasant British press' default position on a slow day for Alonso as 'pantomime villain', dragged out periodically to help "boost circulation".

[Grinsomx]

it's actually fitting that Alonso gets this treatment in the press.
If ferrari wins a race or 2, they always try the same trick with the team.
now they can practice throwing mud at both the team and at least 1 of it's drivers.
bring on the first race so everyone can forget this piece of garbage was ever released!

[GamD]

according to a new biography titled: "No Angel: the Secret Life of Bernie Ecclestone"

As far I can see it's an extract from a new biography about Bernie. If there are lies then Alonso can take them to the courts for defamation of character. Very very few F1 drivers are with out some sort of controversy.
Remember Alonso was granted immunity in the "Spy gate", If he was 100% innocent then there would be no need to grant him immunity.
Schumi and Senna were both known for doing the unorthodox and trying things which some may see has wrong, I suspect Alonso is no different.
I am not even sure of he has commented on it, but for one I hope if he is innocent of some allegations he would sue the writer/s of the book

[Hermann]

Fernando was asked in an interview by AS why he thought such things are written about him in the british press, and he answered 'i don't know'. Well what else should he say.

I found a quote of the passage on autosport (yes i know i know) and it seems to be this:

"The aggrieved world champion approached Dennis on the morning of the race and urged his employer, "I want you to run Hamilton out of fuel".

In Dennis' version Alonso then said 'If you don't, I have information on my computer which shows that McLaren did know about Ferrari's manual'"

First, this can't be true. Everyone knows Fernando blackmailed RD to get No.1 status

Second, this sounds like complete bs to me. I know there was a 'discussion', since both RD and Fernando said afterwards there was one, but i sincerely doubt we ever heard the 'correct' version so far. And we will probably never know. And it was 4 years ago. And who the hell cares anyway.

[Alessandra]

Mar.2 (GMM) Nelson Piquet Junior has admitted ....... that Fernando Alonso was not involved in the planning of the ‘crashgate’ race fixing........

When asked by O Estado de S.Paulo about his teammate, at the time, Alonso’s involvement in the crashgate scandal, Piquet concluded: “No. What happened was not his fault.”
yallaf1.com/2011/03/02/piquet-says-crashgate-not

Comes as no news to some of us who never did believe it, but it might just put some current 'rumours' into perspecctive.

Roll on Melbourne!!

[Hermann]

Mar.2 (GMM) Nelson Piquet Junior has admitted ....... that Fernando Alonso was not involved in the planning of the ‘crashgate’ race fixing........

When asked by O Estado de S.Paulo about his teammate, at the time, Alonso’s involvement in the crashgate scandal, Piquet concluded: “No. What happened was not his fault.”
yallaf1.com/2011/03/02/piquet-says-crashgate-not

Comes as no news to some of us who never did believe it, but it might just put some current 'rumours' into perspecctive.

Roll on Melbourne!!

Yes roll on Melbourne, but why a surprise? Nelson always said Fernando was not involved.

[Alessandra]

Yes roll on Melbourne, but why a surprise? Nelson always said Fernando was not involved.

I thought Nelson was at least guilty of involving Alonso by implication in that he said - I think - that it was" impossible" for Alonso not to have known, in advance. I may be wrong.
It's certainly the first time I've heard him come out and say that he was definitely not involved - a mere 2 1/2 years later, during which time the pot of suspicion has continued to be stirred by the usual suspects.

[Hermann]

I thought Nelson was at least guilty of involving Alonso by implication in that he said - I think - that it was" impossible" for Alonso not to have known, in advance. I may be wrong.
It's certainly the first time I've heard him come out and say that he was definitely not involved - a mere 2 1/2 years later, during which time the pot of suspicion has continued to be stirred by the usual suspects.

I think the one who said that was Piquet Sr... Nelson as far as i know never did.

[shostak]

I dont understand why you are talking about this bulls***. In autosport forums i can understand it, but here?

[yellowbird rs]

this is who Fernando is, he is fast but he is not a team player and he is not a sportsman man he trash Ferrari an MS @ his days in Renault he try to sabotage LW @ McLaren he was part of Renaul/Piquet crash sooner or later he will do something to Ferrari.

You can change who you are and he is a selfish ....
Now he is driving for us so I need to cheer him as Ferrari driver but this not change who he really is

[Suzie]

this is who Fernando is, he is fast but he is not a team player and he is not a sportsman man he trash Ferrari an MS @ his days in Renault he try to sabotage LW @ McLaren he was part of Renaul/Piquet crash sooner or later he will do something to Ferrari.

You can change who you are and he is a selfish ....
Now he is driving for us so I need to cheer him as Ferrari driver but this not change who he really is

That's a view that may not go down too well...

[Greig]

this is who Fernando is, he is fast but he is not a team player and he is not a sportsman man he trash Ferrari an MS @ his days in Renault he try to sabotage LW @ McLaren he was part of Renaul/Piquet crash sooner or later he will do something to Ferrari.

You can change who you are and he is a selfish ....
Now he is driving for us so I need to cheer him as Ferrari driver but this not change who he really is

LOL not a team player, did you watch last season? did you read anything Alonso said about our team?

But yes he is selfish, just like every other driver really, but very much like our great legend that German bloke, forget his name....

[Grillo]

You can change who you are and he is a selfish ....

Unlike Massa who generously moved over to let Ferrari have one shot at the WDC.

What would you say if Alonso had done that? Oh, well...

Don't tell us.

[yellowbird rs]

LOL not a team player, did you watch last season? did you read anything Alonso said about our team?

But yes he is selfish, just like every other driver really, but very much like our great legend that German bloke, forget his name....

Did you watch the last 6 seasons???

Unlike Massa who generously moved over to let Ferrari have one shot at the WDC.

What would you say if Alonso had done that? Oh, well...

Don't tell us.

he did @ Hockenheim.

Yes all the Fernando/Ferrari fans can play the he is just a sint (the blind side but he is not the Super Man all you want to think)
He is a cancer in the team I wish I'm wrong for the Scuderia but time will tell us.

[Agron]

I am not even sure of he has commented on it, but for one I hope if he is innocent of some allegations he would sue the writer/s of the book

For Alonso there's nothing to be won doing that: 1st he makes the commander in chief of F1 his enemy, and 2nd it would mean that for months everything that is talked regarding F1 would be about the suggested sabotage, with haters and press saying he did, most of the public thinking likewise thanks to the power of the brit press, and the fans thinking he didn't. After the verdict, even if proven innocent, his image would still be "the guy that sabotaged that other guy, buy didn't... or did he?", with haters and press doubting his innocence, and his fans thinking otherwise.

If you have doubts, look at crashgate: he had nothing to gain from it, everything to lose (his reputation, his career and even being tied to the sinking Renault for another year), he didn't need to know for the strategy to work, other high level engineers didn't know, Nelsinho has said time and again that Alonso didn't know and FIA judged the case and considered him to be innocent. Yet, every hater out there says he knew, and haters and reporters alike are using the "wherever he goes trouble follows" to count crashgate as another argument against Alonso even after they were proven wrong.


The wisest choice is what Alonso is doing, not giving them any ammunition and let them bark all they want, as hell bent on destroying him reporters seem to be, they still have a more important objective: selling news, so they can't keep repeating the same for more than a few days if they aren't given some new comment to reignite the piece of news. He has perfected his approach to the media, basicly he starves them to death when they aren't nice to him .

[Brakefade]

I hate it when people try to make a quick buck or quid.

[Grillo]

he did @ Hockenheim.

Don't BS me. No F1 driver is a team player.

[GamD]

For Alonso there's nothing to be won doing that: 1st he makes the commander in chief of F1 his enemy, and 2nd it would mean that for months everything that is talked regarding F1 would be about the suggested sabotage, with haters and press saying he did, most of the public thinking likewise thanks to the power of the brit press, and the fans thinking he didn't. After the verdict, even if proven innocent, his image would still be "the guy that sabotaged that other guy, buy didn't... or did he?", with haters and press doubting his innocence, and his fans thinking otherwise.

If you have doubts, look at crashgate: he had nothing to gain from it, everything to lose (his reputation, his career and even being tied to the sinking Renault for another year), he didn't need to know for the strategy to work, other high level engineers didn't know, Nelsinho has said time and again that Alonso didn't know and FIA judged the case and considered him to be innocent. Yet, every hater out there says he knew, and haters and reporters alike are using the "wherever he goes trouble follows" to count crashgate as another argument against Alonso even after they were proven wrong.


The wisest choice is what Alonso is doing, not giving them any ammunition and let them bark all they want, as hell bent on destroying him reporters seem to be, they still have a more important objective: selling news, so they can't keep repeating the same for more than a few days if they aren't given some new comment to reignite the piece of news. He has perfected his approach to the media, basicly he starves them to death when they aren't nice to him .

Yes "crash gate" he was innocent, and rightfully so. What this book has high lightened and the topic is about, is the "spy gate" issue. F1 is a global sport and the British press are only that British, They will slate anybody who threatens there “team” or “country ", and so would any media of there retrospective country.
If it’s truth or fiction we will never know and we all can speculate on how it really was/is.
As Alonso is a Ferrari driver I will support him as one from the day he joined till the day he goes.
Innocent I only hope…

And if fear of the truth, is trumped by the fear of Bernie. Then it’s down hill for F1 as that only leaves the door open to raced/F1 becoming a fixed sport.

[brembo man]

F1 will never be fixed. Just adjusted at times. Alonso has to at least use a crane once , and park his car on the track once for all to see not hear about, before he can come close to being a bum. F1 is the best there is, the only one think missing is passing. There should be a rule 1/2 way through a race , from 10 th place down , let him pass.

[Agron]

F1 is a global sport and the British press are only that British, They will slate anybody who threatens there “team” or “country ", and so would any media of there retrospective country.

Yes, but they hold great power over all teams based in the UK (90% of the grid), over the FIA and Bernie (UK), and over the english speaking word (probably the highest percentage of viewers compared to other languages). They have the most famous, influential and knowledgeable experts in F1, too.
All this gives them an enormous influence over all things F1, and they use it everytime for their own purposes, which is ok, but greatly damages the object of their criticism, sometimes unfairly.

[GamD]

Yes, but they hold great power over all teams based in the UK (90% of the grid), over the FIA and Bernie (UK), and over the English speaking word (probably the highest percentage of viewers compared to other languages). They have the most famous, influential and knowledgeable experts in F1, too.
All this gives them an enormous influence over all things F1, and they use it every time for their own purposes, which is ok, but greatly damages the object of their criticism, sometimes unfairly.

Would your theory apply to every spot which has a bigger English based media? or only F1. I don't think these papers/media have such a huge influence on a global scale, even when old Eddie J gets an BBC "Exclusive", what he says or does has never and will never affect the out come of F1.
And when Mr Max got caned by the papers for his sex antics they(Papers) lost a lot of support in the F1 world. The British press are ruthless in every aspect, I have seen them character assassinate people but in nearly every case if there claims are ramped up or just out right lies they do get sued!
Maybe driver Fans will get a media influence, But people who know and watch the sport will know better, if you can claim that no other foreign press has ever slated or attacked another driver or team, I will make you 101% right.

[Alessandra]

I think the one who said that was Piquet Sr... Nelson as far as i know never did.

You win I'm just happy that's one rumour that's been corrected by someone who would know.

[Alessandra]

I think the one who said that was Piquet Sr... Nelson as far as i know never did.

You win I'm just happy that's one rumour that's been corrected by someone who would know.

[Afalej]

Don't BS me. No F1 driver is a team player.

Massa is probably the closest thing you come when we are talking about team players:P Vettel for example would never have given Alonso the position at that stage of the championship

[Grillo]

Massa is probably the closest thing you come when we are talking about team players:P Vettel for example would never have given Alonso the position at that stage of the championship

I didn't mean to criticize Massa. I wanted to give perspective to what that guy said about Alonso. They're all selfish but some behave better than others, although it depens on the circumstances too.

[yellowbird rs]

I didn't mean to criticize Massa. I wanted to give perspective to what that guy said about Alonso. They're all selfish but some behave better than others, although it depens on the circumstances too.

Maybe all they are selfish but in the F1 History only Alonsohave been trashed his own team just remember what he said @ Hungaroring when he lost the tire, how he sneak out of the spy gate, how he ran to the back door in the crash gate, how he trash Ferrari and MS and call them cheaters, how he told the media about wining 3 WDC and retire @ McLaren and never drive to Ferrari just like Senna, how to sabotage LH qualy.
You can say whatever you want about him but he is not a loyal team player even an employee his only aptitude is that he is fast not the best driver on the grid today but he is in the top 3 and that's it.
Almost forgot the big check book of Santander Bank

[Grillo]

He's no saint but you really have a problem with him. 90% you said about spy-gate, crash-gate, sabotage-gate, bank-gate... it's only in your mind.

[Greig]

so much wrong with the post 2 above, not even worth trying to correct someone who believes that Would really love to see his comments that trashed Ferrari....

[Hermann]

so much wrong with the post 2 above, not even worth trying to correct someone who believes that Would really love to see his comments that trashed Ferrari....

I thought the same thing. Not worth trying.