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    Pirelli backs artificial wet races

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89706

    Pirelli backs artificial wet races

    By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, March 2nd 2011, 15:55 GMT

    Pirelli backs artificial wet racesFormula 1 tyre supplier Pirelli has backed Bernie Ecclestone's idea of introducing artificial wet races in a bid to increase excitement in the sport.

    Ecclestone put forward his radical idea this week, suggesting that the suspense created by using sprinklers to wet a circuit mid-race would be a much better way of improving the show than having moveable rear wings.

    "There are race tracks that you can make artificially wet and it would be easy to have such systems at a number of tracks," Ecclestone told the official F1 website.

    "Why not let it 'rain' in the middle of a race? For 20 minutes or the last ten laps? Maybe with a two-minute warning ahead of it. Suspense would be guaranteed and it would be the same for all."

    Ecclestone's idea may have divided opinions among fans, but tyre manufacturer Pirelli believes that such a move would be great for F1.

    "I thought Bernie Ecclestone's comments were quite interesting," Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery told AUTOSPORT.

    "Straight after our recent successful [wet-weather] Abu Dhabi test I saw him and said, 'why don't we do an artificial wet race?' The technology is such that you can wet a circuit with a sprinkler system, so the idea is not as daft as it sounds.

    "Having seen what it was like in Abu Dhabi, certainly with a wet element it would look spectacular - and visibility shouldn't be a problem because there would be no clouds.

    "From a tyre makers' point of view, there is no difficulty in making suitable tyres. We have seen great races in the past when you have had an extra variable like the weather, so why not?"

    Although the introduction of artificial wet races could be viewed by some as too much of a gimmick for F1, Hembery believes that the sport should be looking at avenues where it can increase entertainment - and he thinks there are other gimmicks that have become accepted as the norm.

    "At the end of the day you want people to watch what you are offering," he said. "F1 ultimately competes for entertainment space with other sports - so people need to see something that is interesting.

    "From that point of view, an artificial wet race would add to the show - and you want something people will watch.

    "A good example of a radical idea in the sport that have been accepted is the Singapore Grand Prix. You could argue that running at night under lights is a gimmick. But it has turned out to be one of the most spectacular races of the season. It is stunning.

    "Couldn't you in fact argue that a street circuit itself is gimmicky? After all, you have created a circuit out of normal roads."

    He added: "I would agree that something fake like throwing in safety cars frequently to close the field up if they got too spread out would be going too far, but in terms of throwing something of a new challenge, like an artificial wet race, at drivers, tacticians and engineers, it would be great."

    Pirelli conducted several days of wet weather night running at Abu Dhabi earlier this year to simulate the kind of conditions they could encounter in the early-season Asian races.

    The Italian tyre manufacturer soaked the circuit itself to simulate rainy conditions.
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    Oh please no
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    Yea, I read about Bernie's idea the other day. This is probably the worst idea he's ever had.

    First the medals, now this.

    The whole good part of rain is because it is completely un-predictable. This would just be yet another artificial way to make the racing.....artificial.

    A 2 minute warning before 'rain' comes? What? That's just predictable, so everyone times their pitstop for tyres perfectly. Totally absurd. It's all very well soaking a circuit to make wet weather conditions, but absolutely nothing compares to rain falling from the sky in a random way and creating patchy track conditions etc.

    When it's come to a stage of creating artificial overtaking and artificial weather then something is seriously wrong.

    When will they get the point that taking the regulations back 15 years would work perfectly well?
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    I don't see how it would be fair to a driver who is winning the race deservingly and is 10 seconds ahead of the field to suddenly decide to turn the sprinklers on because its boring. If it really rains then it rains, but it would be unfair to purposly interfere with a result.

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    Worst idea ever! This would take out the best part of the rain and weather changes - the not knowing when it's going to happen. There wouldn't be any risks and tactical choise when it comes to track conditions... It would most likely be a small ring to all of the teams that it's gonna be wet in 2 mins and 32 sec, so better get the rain tires in the next lap. Ridiculous

    What's next? Nails out of the diffuser to get more pit stops?

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    Not keen on the idea of wetting the tracks but in my stable and rational mind i can imagine that releasing tigers, wilderbeast, stingers (take THAT, Pirelli! ), or perhaps have the So-solid crew jogging around the racing line with a banner, pleading for peace in the middle east might be a good idea?


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    and so formula 1 turns into a real circus...
    of all the wild ideas we have seen, this must be one of the worst.
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    Didn't we sit out longer than necessary in last year's Korean race? First the FIA hardly wants to race in the wet, and now this, lol.

    Bernie is insane.

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    Wet races are usually more exciting but I think anything artificial in F1 should be kept to a minimum. If you want to improve the racing, start by not changing the rules every season.

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    Absurd sick idea. Actual qualification system is to blame for boring races. If the best car and driver combination determines the line up on the grid, and if not too many drivers fail the quali or made the car especially quali-runner then why there would be any overtaking at all? Only few possible as we could see. Quali to be eliminated can be one solution! Order of grid line up could be inverse of the driver championship standing or something. On the other hand IMO not the number of overtaking makes the race interesting. I hate wet races with many accidents and giving chance to back-runners to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Didn't we sit out longer than necessary in last year's Korean race? First the FIA hardly wants to race in the wet, and now this, lol.

    Bernie is insane.
    Pretty much yea, that guy belongs on a mental hospital

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    please!!!! that little troll and his great ideas

    Just his way of making few column inches in the paper.
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    trying to make it a gimmick sport. Me and my buddy were talking about this. Why don't we have the drivers get out and run a lap around the track as well. Or have them do a triathlon deal. or include some paint ball sessions and laser tag as part of the race. Maybe have teams forced to run on 2/3 tires for a certain section of the race. When is someone going to say enough. I really wish Ferrari would say enough of this nonsense and go race somewhere else I would have no qualms about leaving this stupid sport.
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    If info about the tyres is true and accurate they might have to use wets and intermidiates in some races even if it's dry, they might not have enough dry sets of tyres some races.

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    All I'm going to say is OH HELL NO!!!!
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    Flood the track if we are not winning

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    This can not happen.

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    This is the way F1 is trying to be "green"? By wasting water, while millions of people go thirsty? Bernie is completely out of touch with the real world.

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    I predict one day there would be 'artificial' rubber made people sitting in the stands watching F1 races with Bernie (if alive) controlling the show with his PSP, as I dont see any reason the 'real' fan could enjoy that 'artificial' circus.

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    If the track is kept wet all through the race, it's dumb, and very likely to be exploited for some teams to gain benefit from it.

    If during the race, someone (and we all know who will be behind that someone) decides when to pour the water onto the track, it will be retarded and will likely develop into huge scandals. Imagine Hamilton being 1st and Alonso 2nd, and Charlie pushing the water button means Alonso gets past Lewis... The british press would explode in anger.
    Probably, that would be too much power in the hands of the powers that be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agron View Post
    If the track is kept wet all through the race, it's dumb, and very likely to be exploited for some teams to gain benefit from it.

    If during the race, someone (and we all know who will be behind that someone) decides when to pour the water onto the track, it will be retarded and will likely develop into huge scandals. Imagine Hamilton being 1st and Alonso 2nd, and Charlie pushing the water button means Alonso gets past Lewis... The british press would explode in anger.
    Probably, that would be too much power in the hands of the powers that be.
    my thoughts exactly...although they could agree before the race on a time when they will be turned on but again.....that's.....
    "Aerodynamics is for those who cannot manufacture good engines."

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    well the honest way to do it is to decide before the race at what points they would get the "rain" flowing. Then they either inform the drivers or they dont. Either way it will have to be documented that before qualifying and the race the time/lap counter for the rain to start was already decided.
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    Let drivers swap cars in the middle of the race and then have mechanics remove and refit engine as a test of speed and skill in the garage. Could also have the drivers stop the cars and do some circus acts a bit of juggling and some magic tricks to enhance the audience participation. Honestly, I keep thinking that wrestling really is looking like a more spontaneous sport. Maybe we should also introduce an amphibious chassis and stage an underwater race alla Captain Nemo (Atlantis GP)
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    Artificial Rain = Artificial Race Result. Either God decides if the track gets wet or no-one does. He's a lot better at it too.

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    I thought he was Forrest Gump myself

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