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    Analysis: what's the 2011 F1 state of play?

    Williams technical director Sam Michael, speaking at the livery launch of the new FW33 at the team's Grove, England base, confirmed that the start of the new F1 season should see more Red Bull versus Ferrari battles.

    McLaren, in the thick of the action at the Abu Dhabi 2010 season finale three months ago, appears to be struggling with its new MP4-26 and, indeed, cancelled a planned press lunch scheduled for today at just 36 hours notice.

    Michael, however, cautioned that with teams still bringing upgrade packages to cars and one test remaining in Barcelona, it is difficult to predict the early races with any certainty, but said that a pattern had emerged at the last Barcelona test.

    "It's Red Bull and Ferrari," he said. "One day I think Red Bull, the next Ferrari. It's so tight and that could change at the last Barcelona test when everyone puts their first race updates on the car. The Red Bull is a more developed car than the Ferrari. If you look at its exhaust system, the back end, there's much less to come from that car then there is from the Ferrari. If Ferrari brings an upgrade package that gives them something at the last test, they could nip in front."

    Asked how much McLaren and Mercedes needs to bring to join the front-ranking teams, Michael opined: "Quite a bit, I'd say, to run with those guys. Very subjectively, I'd say you've got Ferrari and then Red Bull at the front at least four tenths faster than anyone else, then I think you've got a pack which is Renault, Toro Rosso, Williams and even Sauber, then another three or four tenths back to Mercedes and McLaren, then another step back to the new teams. That's definitely what the picture was in Barcelona.

    "It could change. McLaren is clearly in trouble and so is Mercedes, so they are bringing stuff to the car and could easily switch up into that top group. The times that they were doing, especially on the qualifying-type runs, were nowhere near quick enough to go to the first race like that. Nico (Rosberg), I think, did a 1:23.1 with the Mercedes while Felipe Massa's 1:22.6 Ferrari run wasn't even low-fuel. Ferrari could have dipped into the 1:21s for sure. But, saying that, Mercedes has a massive upgrade package coming for Bahrain so maybe they will jump up there."

    Michael is enthused that despite F1's prescriptive regulations there are still innovative design approaches as teams are forced into attempting extreme concepts to differentiate performance levels.

    "When we started having standard diffusers and all these restrictions I was thinking that it was going to get really dull and that it was dumbing down F1," he admitted, "but, in fact, it's doing the opposite because by not being able to work on the diffuser you say right, here's something that might give you two tenths but it's high risk -- whether that's Toro Rosso's double floor, Renault's exhaust or our gearbox -- but you've got to differentiate yourself because if you don't you're going to be at the back. I think it's good for F1. This is the most standardised set of regs that F1 has ever had but the cars look completely different. I didn't predict that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by burak karakutuk View Post
    Felipe Massa's 1:22.6 Ferrari run wasn't even low-fuel. Ferrari could have dipped into the 1:21s for sure.
    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22962.html

    I wonder what makes him say that.....but all the same if it turns out to be true.........that would be the best wont it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvsnraju85 View Post
    I wonder what makes him say that.....but all the same if it turns out to be true.........that would be the best wont it!!!
    Well I'd rather be quicker than the fastest car - Red Bull, than a Mercedes. But yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvsnraju85 View Post
    I wonder what makes him say that.....but all the same if it turns out to be true.........that would be the best wont it!!!
    i think they can guess better than us.maybe some information he heard who knows but i know one thing is certain:F150th Italia is very competitive:=))

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    One season too late, here are the long lost and awaited tenths...

    TEST ANALYSIS
    The new Formula 1 car in 2011 configuration have played 11 days of collective testing making a total of about 38631 km. The first to play the test with the new car were: Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes Grand Prix, Sauber, Williams, Renault, Toro Rosso and Lotus on the track that led Valencia to the new car. While McLaren, Force India and Virgin have debuted their 2011 car at Jerez. Among the new car is not the only one to be dropped on the track is the Hispania, which will debut the new F111 HRT only all''ultimo Barcelona test.

    After three collective tests to be run on four you can start to build on these initial findings: the Ferrari car is by far the most reliable because it is the one who has played the most number of miles on the track accusing only small problems. Among the new cars that competed in the road is less than about 2000 km with Lotus as Trulli and Kovalainen have accused many technical problems.

    Ferrari

    The Ferrari has so far played well with the new F150th Italy 5220 km accusing only small problems such as a problem of loss of oil from the engine in Valencia (due to an error during assembly), a problem with the sensor and a throttle the failure of a pump.

    Ferrari has decided to take the track from the beginning a very conservative car to try to cover as many miles and to better understand the operation of the new tires. Ferrari will take the part of the aerodynamic developments in the last test in Barcelona. Expect big news to the front, sides, the hood, discharges, and especially to the speaker in the fund. Ferrari technicians and engineers expect to benefit about six tenths a lap from these updates.
    Red Bull

    In Valencia, Jerez and the new Red Bull has gone well and has proved reliable also. This thing was very surprising given the considerable problems that have always had the cars designed by Adrian Newey. In recent tests in Barcelona Red Bull has accused some problems too. Sebastian Vettel on the first day he played only 37 laps because of gearbox problems which have forced many hours of mechanical work to try to resolve it. The rear of the car designed by Newey is very compact and make repairs in that area is a nightmare for the mechanics.

    Vettel on the second day, during a race simulation, had to stop due to a crack in the exhaust. Mark Webber had to replace the engine instead of the last day of testing. The Red Bull is the second team who has played more kilometers between the teams in Formula 1. Christian Horner is very pleased with how they are doing the test: "We never had a season of testing with no problems."

    Mercedes GP

    The season has begun pre-season testing for the Mercedes Grand Prix with a lot of teething problems. But the Mercedes considering the results obtained in the last test session in Barcelona seems to have resolved. The problems of the new car was essentially the cooling of internal components that have resulted in some broken plumbing. He also accused some problems to the control of the rear wing. In Jerez, the engine has been replaced as found by the telemetry data indicated problems in the engine. In Barcelona, for the first time the Mercedes was able to fully execute its program. The results on the track on lap are quite encouraging, although they must still work to limit the degradation of Pirelli tires. In fact, in the race simulations Mercedes accused a nice gap over top Ferrari and Red Bull.

    Sauber

    The Sauber Mercedes had the same problems. In the first test has accused a number of problems at the exchange rate, the transmission and differential. These components are all supplied by Ferrari to Sauber. So you do not know well the reasons for these problems. During the tests, these problems are completely solved. The KERS has caused many problems for the Swiss team, indeed the last test in Barcelona was turned off and removed from the car. Sauber was able to make many more miles if Sergio Prez did not end in the gravel twice in the same day of testing in Barcelona ..

    Williams

    The Williams in the first three sessions of collective testing was faced with many guia KERS system which has cost so many miles the team of Groove. The main problm KERS to have been of little cooling to the components that compose it, and some loss of performance from the batteries. In Jerez, the last two days of testing, the KERS system was disconnected to allow the pilots to face more kilometers and can accumulate as much data as possible on the new machine parts and tires. Williams has also wasted valuable time because of some mistakes that have forced Pastor Maldonado to park the car in the gravel. KERS has been used in recent tests in Barcelona and from Barrichello by Maldonado although he continued to give some problems. In the last days of testing at Barcelona broke an engine Coworth he did lose a lot of time to the team.

    Renault

    Just got off the track at Valencia, Renault has accused several problems with KERS and hydraulic systems. These problems have been fixed by the mechanics but the car has done very little miles on the track. When working on KERS has received many compliments from pilots who have benefited. Heidfeld said it was much better than it used BMW in particular for ensuring stability under braking.

    Toro Rosso

    The Italian team did not experience serious problems during these early tests and was able to turn on the track quite regularly. KERS is that moving the rear wing have been running smoothly since day one. Sebastian Buemi has done so many compliments on his team stating that they are still a young team, they did a very good job in terms of reliability. The only time the car stopped on the track was just for the suspicion of a malfunction which then proved to be unfounded.

    McLaren

    The new McLaren made its track debut at Jerez skipping the first collective test in Valencia. Except for the last two days of testing at Barcelona McLaren has spent much time in the pits on the track. There have been many experiments with different exhaust solutions, funds and other speakers. All these experiments to the waste caused many difficulties to men McLaren. The second day of testing at Barcelona's Jenson Button missed the whole morning to test for a hydraulic failure. Due also to the lack of spare parts, the tests were interrupted for long periods of time. McLaren has done 2,573 km of which are less than half of kilometers covered by Ferrari.

    Virgin

    The debut of the new Virgin VR-02 was definitely better than last year. Virgin's new VR-02 has debuted the new car during testing in Jerez and is ranked ninth in the standings on particular routes kilometers. The new machine has had particular problems with the fuel pump, rear suspension and a lack of spare parts to replace mechanical parts that wore out on the track. On the track, the car feels much more stable than that of 2010. The wing poseteriore mobile, according to the drivers, it works very well, while the energy recovery system will not be mounted on the vehicle due to high costs that this presents.

    Force India

    Force India shot in this first test only 138 km less than the "friends" of the McLaren. In Jerez the new car has finished the test early because of a problem to the front suspension. This problem is accused by Paul di Resta was taking him off the track and it was good the driver to control the car. There were also several problems with the drains. The engineers were forced to stop the test due to lack of spare parts and held the car in the pits until they arrived from Britain. In Barcelona, the drivers also accused some of the accelerator pedal sensor failure. Rumours from Barcelona said that the box frame also accused of rigidity problems. Positive was the functioning of the Force India KERS provided by the Mercedes.

    Lotus

    The designer of the Lotus Mike Gascoyne has changed the entire car. The T128 was designed more daring in terms of aerodynamic than its predecessor. The engines were changed and was chosen the Renault engine with the entire rear end provided by Red Bull. All these changes have brought many problems to the Lotus team in fact is what has driven less miles than any other. The main issues by the pilots have been accused of steering the car, the water leakage problems and frequent discharges. These problems should be solved in these days and the Lotus factory in the last group test in Barcelona should finally be reliable.

    Here is the original article in Italian.

    http://spontoncristiano.wordpress.co.../analisi-test/

    That cannot be a coincidence lol.


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    @joseluisf1 Jose cuales son tus conclusión de los test hasta ahora, Ferrari o RB? cual parece mas rápido? O están igualados?

    @CAGMVE Red Bull esta ahora mismo a 3 o 4 décimas de Ferrari, pero en Bahrain por las características del circuito hubiesen podido ganarles

    @joseluisf1 que espera Ferrari con el upaste que introducirán en los próximos test del 9 de marzo y para Melbourne?

    @CAGMVE Acercarse a los Red Bull hasta unas 2,5 o 3 décimas

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    Fernando says: Pirelli switch 'not good for big teams'

    Fernando Alonso believes F1's switch to Pirelli tyres is "not good for the big teams".

    There have been widespread complaints about the severe degradation of the 2011-specification products supplied by the sport's new official supplier.

    "There will be lots of pitstops," said the Ferrari driver at a sponsor event in Madrid, according to the Spanish press.

    "There will be three or four (pitstops per race) and that's not good for the big teams," Alonso added.

    "It mixes the situation, just as in football if there was a penalty each half hour, Barcelona and Real Madrid would not be happy. If it's better for anybody, it's the small teams," he said.

    http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=401641&FS=F1

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuderiafan View Post
    Ferrari has decided to take the track from the beginning a very conservative car to try to cover as many miles and to better understand the operation of the new tires. Ferrari will take the part of the aerodynamic developments in the last test in Barcelona. Expect big news to the front, sides, the hood, discharges, and especially to the speaker in the fund. Ferrari technicians and engineers expect to benefit about six tenths a lap from these updates.

    Can someone please explain what a speaker means here???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvsnraju85 View Post
    Can someone please explain what a speaker means here???
    It means we had a very conservative car during the tests to understand the new Pirellis better. We did not use 2011 wings etc

    The last test starting from March 8 will see Ferrari introduce a new aero package which will supposedly bring 0.6 sec per lap
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    If true, that's great news. 6 tenths is a HUGE step! It'd be nice to make everyone go:


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    I know this might sound perverse, but the high tyre degradation could make for more "interesting" race strategies.

    I look forward to seeing how the teams will manage their tyres over a complete race distance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I know this might sound perverse, but the high tyre degradation could make for more "interesting" race strategies.

    I look forward to seeing how the teams will manage their tyres over a complete race distance
    Well, it'll just mean more stops. Still no refuelling and since the tyres have such high wear rates, it's unlikely to see people 2 stopping and others 4 for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvsnraju85 View Post
    Can someone please explain what a speaker means here???
    It's a bad translation, at that point of the article they are saying that revisions will come to the diffuser and to the rear.... the online translator must have confused speaker and diffuser lol.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    If true, that's great news. 6 tenths is a HUGE step! It'd be nice to make everyone go:

    I just would love to see Adrian Newey go: and then and then when he realises that we are just too far ahead for that pesky drinks company to keep up!

    One can always dream!

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    Tyre degradation is for everybody, Ferrari historically remains the car which is most gentle on tyres. 3-4 pits stops IMO mixes things up, makes interesting, except for Lewis who will make 8-10 stops a race

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    Quote Originally Posted by ek583 View Post
    I just would love to see Adrian Newey go: and then and then when he realises that we are just too far ahead for that pesky drinks company to keep up!

    One can always dream!
    imagine if alonso was actually right that he did bring 6 tenths


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I know this might sound perverse, but the high tyre degradation could make for more "interesting" race strategies.

    I look forward to seeing how the teams will manage their tyres over a complete race distance
    Hi Ken

    There are definitely going to be more pitstops, which as you say should make it more exciting. I understand Alonso's concerns though that this will lead to unpredictability for the top teams (as we know all of the things that can go wrong with a pit stop) but it should make it more exciting for us hopefully.

    I'm also hoping that the "operating window" for the tyre has enough margin to reward smooth driving and therefore punish Lewis . This should help us too if the F150 is as kind to Pirelli rubber as early testing suggests.

    I'm kind of looking forward to it as long as our pit stops are squeaky clean.

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    Its punishing Lewis already Think Fernando and Felipe will be ok, as they are smooth drivers, and Fernando is alot more calculated than Felipe.

    Pitstops, i always tend to get nervous. We will for sure see 2-3 pitstops. Depends on track surface and track temp. Im really looking forward to this season. Our guys down in the pitlane are usually super slick and fast, as we saw in monza.
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    So we are 4-6 tenths behind Redbull,
    But we have a 4-6 tenths update coming on Bahrein,
    But RedBull won't stand still and will probably bring a 2-4 tenths update.....

































    oh, I forgot about Fernando's 6 tenths. This year is ours

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    I think we're not too far from Red Bull, not as far as last year 1st half of the season I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    It's a bad translation, at that point of the article they are saying that revisions will come to the diffuser and to the rear.... the online translator must have confused speaker and diffuser lol.......
    Thanks mate.....that explains it i guess

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