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reckon after seeing this wings flex, again, we may see a new flexing wing from us soonOriginally Posted by Grillo
Our wing was flexing last year, not as much as Red Bull's but more than McLaren's.
Now McLaren's is flexing, Red Bull's too... Why?
We need a flexi wing for Sepang or else... I'm gonna cry for real!
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Mercedes is flexing a lot too...
And imagine that tests on wings have been stricter this year...
The point is, why don't we??????
We had it last year, but not now?
Sounds silly to me, really...
We shouldn't moan about it, since last year we liked it.
We should flex our wings again...!
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we should bring back the wing seperation from the boy as in 2006..
we're number one
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I would like to see more of those gifs from other cars too (ours included), just to check if that movement is normal (all wings are flexing) or it is just theirs...
You know, there's a lot of fanboyism out there and people who can make these images only of some cars just to talk bad stuff about them
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I thought they had changed the rules to avoid front wing flexing. The spirit of the rules are clear: no moveable or flexable aerodynamic devices are allowed other than the ARS. It's obvious some cars wear flexi wings, I think it would be very easy to make the rule clear and enforce it but it seems they don't care.
I wonder what kind of tests they do in the FIA.
You can see the front wing moving up and down in those gifs. That's not normal, maybe a tiny bit as stated in the rules but not that much.
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They should just design some sort of sensor on each end plate and state the wing must stay a certain amount above the ground at all times, as they clearly can't find it out in the stress tests.
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If Ferrari's wing did it, everyone would be screaming, crying and calling for heads to roll..so, since
everyone else has got one..lets get one too!! If no one has said anything, then they must be legal...right?
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There are gifs of our 2010 car with FW flexing, but maybe Ferrari was using a different method and when the FIA changed the tests our wing stopped working..
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Yeah, it seems to be so obvious in the photo evidence. You'd think they would have clamped down on that one by now!
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Like has been mentioned, I'd like to see a gif of Ferrari's front wing to see what it's doing before going down this road....
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I tell you, if Ferrari bring a flexi wing, or an even better front downforce solution without affecting the balance of the car, I'll be over the moon.
comon boys, mclaren is close to the rb, so they are both there for te taking
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I remember many people, included some F1 experts and journalists, said Ferrari's resurrection last year had a lot to do with the flexi wing we wore in Hockenheim for the first time. I hope we start using our own and very best flexi wing of all in Malaysia, just in case they were right.
You can read the whole article here.Several teams, including McLaren, asked FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting to make a definitive ruling on flex-wings before those teams spend millions of dollars developing their own versions. The FIA responded by saying these wings do not meet the letter or spirit of the rules, to wit:
Article 3.17.8 of the F1 Technical Regulations
"In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of) moving whilst the car is in motion.
With the exception of the cover described in Article 6.5.2 (when used in the pit lane), the driver adjustable bodywork described in Article 3.18 and the ducts described in Article 11.4, any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance:
Must comply with the rules relating to bodywork must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom):
Must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car:
Any device or construction that is designed to bridge the gap between the sprung part of the car and the ground is prohibited under all circumstances.
No part having an aerodynamic influence and no part of the bodywork, with the exception of the skid block in 3.13 above, may under any circumstances be located below the reference plane.
Does this picture Flexing FW.jpg means anything to the FIA?
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Since it passes the tests, it's legal. End of story.
What I can't stand, is to see us moaning like McCheaters last year, where they couldn't managed to make flexible wings like Ferrari and Red Bull...!
It's not FIA's fault. Only ours, if we lost the flexibility we had...
Now, regarding a gif of Ferrari, I haven't found any, but from the image posted already,
is 100% clear I think, that Ferrari goes in straight line with a more stable wing...
Salut Gilles
Ferrari has not moaned about it
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Alonso is about to take the corner in that image, isn't he? which means he is breaking so a lot less downforce there...
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dont know if you guys read the autosport forums but it looks like rbr and mcl have flex front nose as well as wings , on those gif files check out the nose of those two cars ! As the nose goes down the front of the wing touches the floor , they got a side profile of the rbr showing the wing tilting down :
http://forums.autosport.com/index.ph...=145062&st=120
Ferrari need to do something quickly as the fia dont seem to care
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Wing is flexing, but, that does INDEED seem to be ride height! look at the center part of the front wing, it is much lower than mclaren's. Either the RedBull is loaded with full fuel plus max downforce, or either they do have some kind of ride heigh...
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All the FIA should do is some simple trigonometry from the images, but of course they won't.
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I know...Ferrari has not moaned about it
Luckily...
I meant us the Ferrari fans, not to moan, because last year our team had benefited from it.
Why should they?
It is 100% legal, so we have to adapt...
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Nobody said that it was illegal.
I think nobody moaned 0.0000000001% of them. It was more a complaint about Ferrari having a flexi wing last year and having a stiff one now. I don't blame the FIA for that but I honestly thought the rules had changed to completelly avoid flexi wings in 2011.
I just hope Ferrari gets his own and best of all the flexi wings for Malaysia.
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I'm not sure, but I think what FIA done, is to add extra load on the tests...
Well, if they pass the tests, it's unavoidable, so Ferrari if hasn't got a flexi wing (we are not sure yet), for sure needs one and fast...
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Flexi wings on F1 cars were considered a bit like doping for athletes. I think we can all agree flexi wings are back to F1 since last year. With all the cost cutting it's a bit stupid to force the teams to spend a lot of money on flexi wings that can kid FIA tests. I prefer to keep the V10 or V8 engines rathen than going the path of 4 pots 1.5 turbocharged.
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Hope this isn't a repost but have you guys read this, trulli says the pirelli tyres were completely different from the tyres that were tested in the last test. Maybe thats why Ferrari got it soo wrong.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90311
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There is a whole thread for this in case you want to take part in the discussionHope this isn't a repost but have you guys read this, trulli says the pirelli tyres were completely different from the tyres that were tested in the last test. Maybe thats why Ferrari got it soo wrong.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90311
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...ed-since-Barca
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Someone posted this on the official Ferrari- forum.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2...exiblenose.jpg
http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/d/2...d/fd0263b6.gif
And a link to f1technical.net where they are busy discussing the RB nose:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...9629&start=150
Some there say that RB and Macca are clearly braking the rules. I don't know if they do since i'm actually an illiterate when it comes to F1 technical regulations, but they say that kind of nose gives them at least a second of advantage in pace.
I'm actually quite sure Ferrari will be looking into that back in Maranello.
And sometimes i wonder why that thing is not breaking all the time. RB at speed (left) and stationary (right):
Last edited by Hermann; 29th March 2011 at 01:50.
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I like to believe in ferrari but unfortunately I have seen them embarrassed to often lately to not be surprised by the Australia performance. Seems like they were completely caught unawares about what was about to hit them in quali. I wont be surprised if we are as slow as we displayed this weekend and will have to play massive catchup...this is going to be a long season.
i really really hope not
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Yeah, it seems not only the wing flexes on the sides, it has to be the nose flexing as the center is nearly as low as the endplates. I wonder how it's so hard to find the right answer since those wing are actually old. I suppose they've been trying during testing and McLaren's not close to Red Bull's either.
It was worth the reading. Someone posted a link to another web site with very interesting info about flexing.
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~garfinkm/Spar.html
The increase on downforce might be massive at high speed. It's like having ground effect on the fron wing. Now I'm quite sure they know in Ferrari how they're doing it, but probably it's not so easy just to do it and master it like them without a lot of testing.
Last edited by Grillo; 29th March 2011 at 03:33.
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There's a reason why the front wings are not allowed to be run so close to the ground or why movable aero wasn't allowed.
The only reason they are legal is because there are obvious flaw in current method of testing. Does this mean we should just ignore the flaw?
What is the point then if eventually everyone starts having flexing wing and moving nose cone. Obviously the FIA have to evolve the rules to keep up. If you are just going to allow these people to continue flexing their wing, then they need to remove the rules altogether, no?
Just like the team orders. They realize they can't police it, so its now abolished.
Either you make sure it doesn't happen if you want to continue enforcing it, or you don't enforce it at all
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Not to worry, Ferrari will be on pace in Malaysia. Their race pace looked promising. Surely they'll pull something out for qualifying. I've got a good feeling (hopefully that's enough)
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