Malaysian GP 2011 - Qualifying

**TheProdigalSon** · 9th April 2011, 11:02

Originally Posted by crewskas

How can you know we were fast, if the true pace of the others is an unknown factor?
Really this car reminds me the F60...
Tough and grouch to drive it.
I bet if we put any other driver now in it, he would be 2 seconds off pace, like Luca and Fisichella in F60...

If we want to be competitive, then we must start a full new project car, including copying what RB has shown so far, as fast as possible...

And yeah...
Pushrod???
Aldo Costa said they used this old-fashioned way because they found something really good................

Lol?

Becuase all the engineers from other teams who are the experts said so and copying will always leave you two steps behind!

**hogo** · 9th April 2011, 11:02

Originally Posted by Lithium

Another thing is that our drivers were on used (scrubbed) soft tyres in Q3, no? I'm sure our boys could have been quite a bit faster on fresh tyres. When they're confident of getting through Q1 on the hards, things will look better. But we need to find more pace to be confident to do that. In other words we're not 1 second off the pace in quali (well at least Alonso isn't...)

no, they were on fresh softs.

**crewskas** · 9th April 2011, 11:05

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

Becuase all the engineers from other teams who are the experts said so

Another good reason not to trust them again

They also said Mercedes will fight for some wins...

I said it again in the winter tests threads,
Ferrari looked strong in 2010 winter, with much more miles than 2011 winter, but still RB was the team to beat...

And yeah there is a very good reason we do so many miles in testing...
It's because Ferrari cannot adapt to what others have done already...
Development with the testing ban...

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:05

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

Becuase all the engineers from other teams who are the experts said so and copying will always leave you two steps behind!

Yeah copying isnt the way to win but sometimes you have to when one solution is ahead and you don't have it (DDD,EBD,FDUCT,FLEXIWING). When the whole paddock moves one way and you dont you better have found something special with the old solution.

So far I don't think we found anything much there.

**TheProdigalSon** · 9th April 2011, 11:07

Originally Posted by Hermann

I think he will be satisfied with fith but dissapointed with the tim gap to first. We can close the gap just need to be patient and collect as many points as we can until that point.

**Greig** · 9th April 2011, 11:07

It's very easy to be a armchair expert, nobody knows how Red Bull are doing it

**Brian** · 9th April 2011, 11:08

Originally Posted by crewskas

How can you know we were fast, if the true pace of the others is an unknown factor?
Really this car reminds me the F60...
Tough and grouch to drive it.
I bet if we put any other driver now in it, he would be 2 seconds off pace, like Luca and Fisichella in F60...

If we want to be competitive, then we must start a full new project car, including copying what RB has shown so far, as fast as possible...

And yeah...
Pushrod???
Aldo Costa said they used this old-fashioned way because they found something really good................

Lol?

One question: Is it legal to build a new car in the season with a new chassis ...
I think teams are not allowed to change the chassis during the season

**scuderiafan** · 9th April 2011, 11:08

Originally Posted by eugene22n

Yea, Craig Scarborough wrote that they are using our gearbox earlier

"Mechanically the car retains the Ferrari drive train. So again the car will sport the Ferrari gearbox"

I know they have to, but look at their car compared to where it was last year. Kobayashi in Q3. so now they have made gains, so it isn't the push-rod. it is the front end.

**Lithium** · 9th April 2011, 11:10

Originally Posted by hogo

no, they were on fresh softs.

Ops, my bad then! I just realised they made only 1 run in Q3

So we need to find 1 second.. And stopping the development for this year while concentrating on 2012 isn't even an option, because next year's cars will not be any different.

**crewskas** · 9th April 2011, 11:10

Originally Posted by Brian

One question: Is it legal to build a new car in the season with a new chassis ...
I think teams are not allowed to change the chassis during the season

I think you can't, but even if you could, it would be way to risky without testing and you need a lot of money...

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:12

Originally Posted by Greig

It's very easy to be a armchair expert, nobody knows how Red Bull are doing it

Just based on the total press over this and last year. Newey was the "first" to move to the rear pull rod last year and this year everybody follows including McLaren. I doubt its a coincidence.

Our guys said we kept all the advantage of the pushrod while losing nothing in terms of aero to the pullrod.

**crewskas** · 9th April 2011, 11:13

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

I know they have to, but look at their car compared to where it was last year. Kobayashi in Q3. so now they have made gains, so it isn't the push-rod. it is the front end.

You can't compare this year's Sauber with last year's car, because they didn't have money and their car was one of the simplest of the grid.
Also, they had huge problems with close corners.
Anyway, new Sauber looks totally different.

Does F-150 looks much different, compared to F10?

**scuderiafan** · 9th April 2011, 11:14

Originally Posted by Lithium

Ops, my bad then! I just realised they made only 1 run in Q3

So we need to find 1 second.. And stopping the development for this year while concentrating on 2012 isn't even an option, because next year's cars will not be any different.

I hope you dont have to change your sig. i remain confident. we have made gains since australia, and our race pace was good them, so theoretically it should be good here too. podium is definitley possibel imo, especilly if Vettel and Hamilton have some shenangians and if it rains. interms of damage limitaition, it is good, in terms of our pace, it isnt great.

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:14

i remember the rumors before launch that we have some really innovative interlinked front-rear suspension and then ... pushrod with moved dampers.

**TheProdigalSon** · 9th April 2011, 11:14

Originally Posted by eugene22n

Yeah copying isnt the way to win but sometimes you have to when one solution is ahead and you don't have it (DDD,EBD,FDUCT,FLEXIWING). When the whole paddock moves one way and you dont you better have found something special with the old solution.

So far I don't think we found anything much there.

Are you talking about push-rod? Do you think removing it and bolting on pull-rod is the answer to our problem? Everytime this happens you get these arm chair experts who start looking for things that are different on our car compared to the fast cars and saying that must be the problem.

**Brian** · 9th April 2011, 11:14

McLaren did something with their cars without testing, and they boosted in speed to keep up with Redbulls

**scuderiafan** · 9th April 2011, 11:16

Originally Posted by crewskas

You can't compare this year's Sauber with last year's car, because they didn't have money and their car was one of the simplest of the grid.
Also, they had huge problems with close corners.
Anyway, new Sauber looks totally different.

Does F-150 looks much different, compared to F10?

You can compare it though. true they didn't have money, but they still have improved so it isnt the push-rod. 150 will come good, just keep the faith!

**TheProdigalSon** · 9th April 2011, 11:19

Originally Posted by Brian

McLaren did something with their cars without testing, and they boosted in speed to keep up with Redbulls

Yes and the sky is blue but seriously if macca can do it then so can we.

**crewskas** · 9th April 2011, 11:19

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

You can compare it though. true they didn't have money, but they still have improved so it isnt the push-rod. 150 will come good, just keep the faith!

Ok, they improved everywhere else and they won laptime, except suspensions.
Why do you exclude that as a possible option?

I'm not saying pull-rod would suit us for sure,
but if 5 out of 6 top teams have this new type, then something must be good...

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:19

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

Are you talking about push-rod? Do you think removing it and bolting on pull-rod is the answer to our problem? Everytime this happens you get these arm chair experts who start looking for things that are different on our car compared to the fast cars and saying that must be the problem.

What I'm saying is that it effects the "size" of the rear end and the aero there. Every other team went to pull-rod for that reason. We do not have the cleanest rear end even with the adjusted pushrod setup. And I have a feeling we did this to be conservative as its a known solution. It's just my speculation but I think thats a piece of us going conservative on pretty much everything visible on the car.

But again I don't think this is a sole reason for the gap. The conservative nature is just worrying me in terms of development potential. If everything is pretty well known on the car how much potential can there be.

**Greig** · 9th April 2011, 11:20

I really can't see where we will gain such a chunk of time, if it was a simple fix it would be done by now, I imagine a B chassis would be the only way to find such an upgrade, but without new designers even that would just be a waste of time probably.

**Greig** · 9th April 2011, 11:22

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

Yes and the sky is blue but seriously if macca can do it then so can we.

Difference is McLaren knew where they had gone wrong, we do not have a clue where to gain any time.

**Hornet** · 9th April 2011, 11:22

Originally Posted by TheProdigalSon

I think he will be satisfied with fith but dissapointed with the tim gap to first. We can close the gap just need to be patient and collect as many points as we can until that point.

Thats what I hope. Was it Turkey that we are supposed to have new parts?
If so, then after this, we only have to endure China with our current state, and hopefully we start fighting back at Turkey

**scuderiafan** · 9th April 2011, 11:23

Originally Posted by crewskas

Ok, they improved everywhere else and they won laptime, except suspensions.
Why do you exclude that as a possible option?

I'm not saying pull-rod would suit us for sure,
but if 5 out of 6 top teams have this new type, then something must be good...

but surely if push-rod was wrong, it would show in their handling? i dont' get it. we do the same things as the otheres we get criticized, we do different things we get criticized.

Now, back to Ferrari. they've got problems, but i'm sure they will sort it out.

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:24

Williams have potential because they have smallest rear end. Renault have potential because they are trying to achieve a ground effect by sealing the floor with the exhaust gases on the edges of the floor. McLaren have potential because of the increased airflow to the beam wing. Even T Rosso have potential with increased flow to the rear with the double floor. Red Bull are flexing the nose AND wing (seemingly), and given their pace they might not need a lot of potential.

I'm just expressing worry because I wonder what our major area for development will be this year.

**Sianellen** · 9th April 2011, 11:25

Video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9452480.stm

BBC interview with Stefano after qualifying.

**eugene22n** · 9th April 2011, 11:26

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

but surely if push-rod was wrong, it would show in their handling? i dont' get it. we do the same things as the otheres we get criticized, we do different things we get criticized.

Now, back to Ferrari. they've got problems, but i'm sure they will sort it out.

Aero due to its more compact nature is cited for the trend. Leads to a smaller rear end as seen on a lot of the cars.

**Brian** · 9th April 2011, 11:26

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

but surely if push-rod was wrong, it would show in their handling? i dont' get it. we do the same things as the otheres we get criticized, we do different things we get criticized.

Now, back to Ferrari. they've got problems, but i'm sure they will sort it out.

We will sort it out for sure, but when?
Hope it wont be too late