Ferrari working on 'flexible' front wing

[haceeeta]

flex.jpgCould the wing section between vertical plates that connect the nose to the wing itself, be creating lift instead of downforce? If the right and left side of the wing can slightly "rotate/pivot" around its respective vertical plate, each endplate can move 5mm down if the absolute center of the wing moves 1mm up(rough estimate from simple geometry).

If the net downforce gained from the wing running closer to the ground is higher than that of the lift generated.....well theres more downforce.

Anyways...a stupid idea of mines...what do u guys think?

[RedRebel40]

cheat :p

[Truth]

Nice of them to finally decide working on a flexing front wing 2 races into the season, but pity they didnt before the season started. We are behind as usual and have made the worst ferrari since 2005. The F60 is a chariot compared to this thing. Really disappointing, I see no innovation just copying, we need to get rid of the whole design team. Even Renault is better than us now.

[sagi58]

Jeez, people!! With all the Attachment 4197, being lamented and predicted,
are we giving up after the first race of the season? Are we saying that
Ferrari should consider painting the F150' black and calling it a hearse??

I, for one, am not ready to roll over and play dead!!

[Rishu]

And so has the Silver guys. they have shown it isn't impossibel to beat the bulls or get on their pace.

I couldn't much see McLaren front wing flexing during Quali, yet they were more or less on pace with RedFools. I really fear we should not over look other areas while concentrating too much on Flexi wing

[yellowbird rs]

I don't think copying something is the right answer, chances are McLaren and other teams will copy them as well and then what? We might gain a second in the following races but so will the competition; copying something means playing catch-up. What we need to do is innovate and they'll be the ones playing catch-up.

[Brakefade]

The front wing isn't more efficient just because it flexes, it is because it is closer to the ground when it flexes. Running the front wing lower increases the 'ground effect', which is what improves the aerodynamic performance of the wing. Flexing other parts of the bodywork would not have the same if any aero benefit.

Drag reduction at high speeds. That's the benefit of making the rear wing and other winglets flex. Maybe not during qualy because everyone uses the DRS, but during the race it would help us. The best part is the FIA can't say jack, without banning RB's wing.

[akis883]

I don't understand why all this fuss about flexi wings. Let me remind you that maclaren made all this progress by introducing in Australia a new exhaust system plus diffuser, the latter made of titanium cause they didn't have time to make it carbon. And as everybody sees it worked prfectly well.
Have you noticed the way Red pools and mc loosers drive trough corners or change direction??? Amazing!!!!!!!!



Ferrari Forever!!!

[Lithium]

Nice of them to finally decide working on a flexing front wing 2 races into the season, but pity they didnt before the season started. We are behind as usual and have made the worst ferrari since 2005. The F60 is a chariot compared to this thing. Really disappointing, I see no innovation just copying, we need to get rid of the whole design team. Even Renault is better than us now.

And how do you know that?

[akis883]

http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...1/846/846.html

Despite stricter test forced by FIA, Red balls passed. Maybe they should change the team's name to "Red Newey"

[IceCold]

Lol Failonso destroys all the wings anyway :D

[crewskas]

It is said,
that one team already has a flexi wing, but it flexes even more than RBR...
I don't know which one is this team though...
Certainly a flexi wing will give us a lot of time, but I don't think it will get a whole second in qualifying...
We need something more than that I think...
I hope we will be even faster in development than 2010 which we were really fast...

[Kyss4k]

It is said,
that one team already has a flexi wing, but it flexes even more than RBR...
I don't know which one is this team though...
Certainly a flexi wing will give us a lot of time, but I don't think it will get a whole second in qualifying...
We need something more than that I think...
I hope we will be even faster in development than 2010 which we were really fast...

We don't need full second. Six, seven tenths would be enough to qualify in second row and if we make our starts better we will fight for victory!

[goferrarigo]

Does anybody know when this flexible wing is coming; will it be in China or Turkey. I feel we should have one by know as last year in Hungary and saw Red Bull using one during Friday Practice 1 in Australia and even testing. We really need to get the upgrades to the drivers quicker...

[crewskas]

We don't need full second. Six, seven tenths would be enough to qualify in second row and if we make our starts better we will fight for victory!

Depends of the track really, if it's enough to qualify in second row...
Also, our start system is brilliant.
Felipe proves it.
Fernando looks like he doesn't want to risk...

[Forzi]

I wonder what's next after the flexi wing we might try getting on our car. There's not too much of a diffrence between us and the RBR/McLaren. Maby the rear engine cover with the huge hole blowing on the bottom of the rear wing?

RBR
http://image.internetautoguide.com/f...nfinitijpg.jpg

McLaren
http://www.carnewsandreviews.co.uk/w...r-diffuser.jpg
http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=700&h=466

Ours: http://www.furscar.com/wp-content/up...-wallpaper.jpg

Is it worth getting?

[burak karakutuk]

flexible wing is important and yes it may help a lot.but our main problem with soft tyres in qualy.Massa said in winter tests that we did not try to run short stints with soft tires in same time less fuel.they focused on just race simulations.and now we have no idea why can not setup easily.i hope soon we will have accomplished

[tpe]

After 2 quals with really poor performance, I have a gut feeling (helped by MS comments too!). One big difference between race and qual is the usage of DRS. So, it is possible that the DRS is not so effective, as the others (and that could explain the fact that we are too slow at qual) and that the rear wing is not so good after all...

[Kyss4k]

After 2 quals with really poor performance, I have a gut feeling (helped by MS comments too!). One big difference between race and qual is the usage of DRS. So, it is possible that the DRS is not so effective, as the others (and that could explain the fact that we are too slow at qual) and that the rear wing is not so good after all...

No way it's DRS problem. I am watching the race again and aiming on ours onboards and the car si much MUCH more stable while turning! It is like on rails like Bulls or Macs. We are doing something wrong in the quali. It is incredible difference and even our drivers said that in the race it was just different car then they were racing with in qualifiing.

[scuderiafan]

I wonder what's next after the flexi wing we might try getting on our car. There's not too much of a diffrence between us and the RBR/McLaren. Maby the rear engine cover with the huge hole blowing on the bottom of the rear wing?

RBR
http://image.internetautoguide.com/f...nfinitijpg.jpg

McLaren
http://www.carnewsandreviews.co.uk/w...r-diffuser.jpg
http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=700&h=466

Ours: http://www.furscar.com/wp-content/up...-wallpaper.jpg

Is it worth getting?

To be honest, i think Ferrari will now try to innovate. these apst 2 weeks have been a wake up call, and Ferrari thought they were safe with a car that was based on the good F10. but, it wasn't enough, and now i think flexi wing will be the final piece of the puzzle. before we find out why we are bad in quali.

Aldo now sounds like he will try something different.

[Kyss4k]

To be honest, i think Ferrari will now try to innovate. these apst 2 weeks have been a wake up call, and Ferrari thought they were safe with a car that was based on the good F10. but, it wasn't enough, and now i think flexi wing will be the final piece of the puzzle. before we find out why we are bad in quali.

Aldo now sounds like he will try something different.

Well he has to, isn't he?

[Brakefade]

That's not what he meant. He meant we're not getting the same drag reduction levels as the other cars, which could be the case.

[crewskas]

I doubt we can make this now...
Maybe only a flexi wing, but in what extend, will be shown when we bring our updates...

[Hornet]

Um, wouldn't tipping the entire car wears off the plank bellow the floor?

[Tifosi]

we know what raking is. we still dont know why we have seen those pics of the wing endplate tilting in relation to the nose though. Would be nice if someone explained that one to us.

[Tony]

That's what's unsettling about all this.... the wind tunnel appears dysfunctional and giving improprer information....

[ferrari4life]

That's what's unsettling about all this.... the wind tunnel appears dysfunctional and giving improprer information....

Arent we using Toyota's wind tunnel?

[FerrariF60]

Arent we using Toyota's wind tunnel?

well yeah, kind of as a back up
i thought Ferrari said we were using both
so maybe the Toyota's one is not really that accurate...

[Tony]

Wasn't Ferrari using the Toyota one last year while they were building a new one?

[scuderiafan]

And they upgraded it last year didn't they. so the upgrades for the car haven't worked becasue the upgrades for the wind tunnel haven't worked.

no worries. i think Ferrari have too many smart engineers (no matter what people think) so they will have this sorted for turkey, even now, as we speak, in Maranello, they may have just found out the solution and a golden bullet.