This season has been one of the best over the last 20 years!!
Way to go FIA!
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This season has been one of the best over the last 20 years!!
Way to go FIA!
Last edited by Bruno; 17th April 2011 at 10:04.
Blatte Skanska
too bad we sack...in any case is a very interesting racing year till now.......... too bad ferrari is not involved on that!
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agree 100%, DRS still kinda fails atm but Pirelli tyres are AWESOME!
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DRS zone was a mistake IMO.
It was supposed to assist a driver to get into a tow, and you do that after exiting the corner, not halfway down the straight. Drivers lose their front grip going through the corner, and DRSis a remedy for that. You don't wait till you're halfway down the straight to apply that remedy, its way too late.
But Pirelli certainly done a great job, thus far
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how does DRS improve front end grip through the corner?Originally Posted by Hornet
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dude the straight in China is very long, of they were alowed to use the DRS at the beginning of the straight then overtaking would be waaaay tooo easy.
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It compensate for the disadvantage of running behind a car. A faster car at the back will usually end up further behind after a series of corners leading to the straights, and they are not able to get into the tow of the front car. This gap shouldn't be there if not for the lack of front grip running behind a car.
So what DRS does is to give a little boost to push the car ahead, closing the gap that was opened up due to aero inefficiency running behind another car.
Not necessary the entire straight, but they could just allow the driver to use at the first half of the straight, after that, its up to the drivers to get a tow and fight for the position
Its just to boost the driver and make them closer, then we leave it up to them.
The problem now, IMO, is the drivers are just sitting there waiting for the first half of the straight to pass, before they can get into action.
Salut Gilles
DRS did not work too well here but its a learning process, on the whole it's been very goodNew tyres are awesome, and even KERS is seemingly valuable this year, well done the FIA and the teams for really improving the show
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Yep, agree with the tires. We saw many racing in the middle part of the race which is what I enjoy most, drivers fighting for position through the corners.
Well done to Pirelli for managing that without forcing ridiculous amount of pit stop. We still maintain an average of 3 stops which is good.
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Now it would be even better if Perelli started making tires that would suit us more just as Michelin did for Renault LOL!
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Hell no. we get enough bull from bitter macca fans saying the only reason we had the dream team years was that Bridgestone gave us the beat perfect tyres. i would rather have less of that.
In Stefano Domenicali, we have a team boss who has proved to be a leader. - Luca diMontezemelo
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Relax I was just joking. I just recalled the time when everyone was offering a lot of conspiracy theories just because the tyre supplier (in this case Michelin) were French just like Renault.
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yeah okay. i'll try. Hardly a relaxing day though, is it?
In Stefano Domenicali, we have a team boss who has proved to be a leader. - Luca diMontezemelo
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Yeah it's one of those days. But hey, no way to go but up! Hopefull DRS+KERS+Perelli+Aero updates + improved pit stop and strategy would turn things around...SOON!yeah okay. i'll try
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I see this coming
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to pirelli....... what a change from doing a one stop race on bridgestones...
"That has made me fall in love with Ferrari even more today than ever." Fernando Alonso
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Jury still out for me..so far its AI...
Mabey Id feel better about it if we were doing a bit better
I mean if we were winning Id probably say theyre great!!! Nah...
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Ya that was one of the best races that I can remember for a lonnnng time. There was passing everywhere! And not just typical passes, they were good passes!
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Im watching this again on speed..this is artificial racing at its best..I dont mind the drs, think its a novel thing when it works properly..
kers, will never care for that..
But the tires..tell me whats so exciting watching my guy getting passed by half the field with 8 laps to go simply because his tires wont last?
How do I know if the F150 is a bad car? Doesnt look it..How do I know if the Ferrari is faster than the Mac? I cant tell
because the Mac has newer tires on..so he passa maguy lika hesa standen astill...
This is racing dictated by the condition and compound of tires. 2005 all over again..Sure theres lottsa passing, so what...The F150 may just very well be
a very fast and competetive car..but I wont know...n if it does win, it will be because Ferrari simply put the best tires on last. Webber made what looked like
a great drive..but he had 6 sets of tires at his disposal..3 n 3..sure he did a great job coming thru the field, then again, all he had to do was keep putting
new tires on...he was bound to get to the front sooner or later..Vettel lost and Ham won because of tires..Massa lost 2nd place after a wonderful drive
..oh, and 3rd n 4th, n etc...because of the tires. I want to see a team win because they made the best car, no matter who it is..not because they were able
to get new tires on at the end of the race....People seem to like watching a bunch of guys running around ala the pit crews..well, if I want to see that
I'll watch futbal, or footbal, but when its a race, I prefer to see..tadaa...racing. I must be old fashioned aey?
There, I got my rant off..so go ahead n sack me...wait, Luca sacked me last week.
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At least these tyres give us a a chance of getting near the red bulls at some point of the race.. If they were bridgestones we d be left for dead at every race..
"That has made me fall in love with Ferrari even more today than ever." Fernando Alonso
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Not necessarily..we were close last year, n we may be closer than the tires are showing..
Massa was running w/everyone at the front on decent tires...my opinion is its the
tires from what Ive seen so far. I am a bit puzzled at Alonso that race though..we are I think
faster than the Mercs, its just that I really didnt see him as Im used to on race day.
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Personally, I'm worried about the DRS!! Why?? For two reasons:
1) I don't think it's fair that only the car behind can actually use it because it gives them an "unfair" advantage over the car they are attempting to pass; and,
2) It's happened twice where the system is deployed through no fault of the drivers (Alonso and Barrichello), which suggests there is something wrong with the FIA's technology. What if the thing gets activated when a driver is approaching a fast corner? Is the car launched into the air? Does someone have to get hurt or, God-forbid, die before DRS gets shelved?
Salut Gilles
1. that's the whole point, and the other car has KERS, so far does not seem unfair to me
2. highly unlikely
Forza Ferrari
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1. What happened to driving skills?
2. Depending on "why" is ended up being activated on the weekend, it might happen again, no?
Salut Gilles
1. You still need them, not much different to the old turbo boost buttons they used to have, I have not seen the DRS used to make easy pass that needed no talent?
2. It might, and the sky might also fall in
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Waiting.
I personally don't see the problem with DRS. It helps alot when a fast car is behind a slow one and untill there will be decent tracks where overtaking is possible on your own, the DRS will probably stay here. As for the driving skill, you still have to get in to the 0.6 sec space to use it, which needs lots of work and skill, so if a car is faster overall than the one behind, it will still win and have the main advantage. And even with the DRS, defending is still more than possible. Massa didn't let Button get past him in Australia, even though the McLaren were a lot faster that weekend when on the same tires/tactics, and same in China against cars with way more fresher tires. DRS didn't take away any need for talent to get past anyone. Yes, it makes the sport a lil more artificial, but what can we do? About half of the tracks in the calendar are with no decent spots for an overtake. We've seen more than enough of examples in the past years that overtaking is hard even when you're against a car, more than one second slower. That actually costed us a WDC last year. So i'm personally happy that someone started fixing this, even though there might be a better way, but this is better than nothing i guess.
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I like DRS + KERS pace, it clearly gives more chances to overtake. And if you are passed you can always try to take your place back.
About the Pirellis. I hoped that harder tire would last longer. Harder tires goes off almost as fast as the soft and because of that there is only one good strategy for race which is pity.
Waiting.
Lets hear what the drivers have to say about this
DRS hailed as 'best idea ever'
DRS hailed as 'best idea ever' for F1 Nico Rosberg reckons Formula 1's 'Drag Reduction System' could be up there as the best rule in the sport's history because of the way it has helped spice up the racing in 2011.
Although a number of drivers had been sceptical about the DRS before the first race of the campaign - fearing it would either make overtaking too easy or not even help at all – the way it has panned out in the first three races of the campaign has been encouraging.
And Rosberg, who has both lost and gained position through the DRS, has gone so far as to reckon its introduction alongside the new Pirelli era can be singled out as the greatest regulation that F1 has seen.
Speaking exclusively to AUTOSPORT, Rosberg said: "F1 has done a brilliant job. How exciting have the races been? They have been stunning.
"There is nobody saying we are having boring races. There is overtaking left, right, and centre - everywhere. So, they have done a really, really good job and that is the most important thing that needs to be highlighted.
"The people in charge have made the sport from one year to the next so much more exciting, and that is awesome for the fans and everything. It is really cool, isn't it? It is the tyres and the rear wing.
"The rear wing – best idea ever probably, for this sport. No? And tyres also. Pirelli, everybody has been criticising them, but they have made our sport spectacular. So that is cool."
Despite Rosberg's enthusiasm for the regulation, Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali thinks it will take a bit more time to work out if the DRS is a certain success.
"We've seen three different situations in three different races, so we need to wait more to find out what is the right balance," explained the Italian. "In my view, and this is a personal view, you see the activation point of the DRS has a different effect if you are at the beginning of the race or the end of the race, depending on the tyres that you have.
"So it is a tyre effect, not related to the speed or that you are behind. It is the way the tyres behave, so we need to see what is the best solution in that respect. We saw Australia, Malaysia and China were different, but the main reason in China for overtaking was that the tyres were so different you could overtake."
As well as drivers using the DRS to overtake at the designated zone, one consequence of the straightline speed boost is that it is helping cars stay closer to each other for more of a lap - further increasing the chances of overtaking elsewhere.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90876
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The DRS idea was a response to how increasingly difficult it is to follow a driver closely through those high speed to medium speed corners. No matter how good a driver's skill are, you cannot overcome the lack of front grip due to the front wing running in turbulent air. So in a way, we can say that its an artificial disadvantage to a driver following closely at the back.
As we've seen in last year's final race, Alonso got stuck being that Reno guy for this very reason. By the time they got to the straight, Alonso is too far behind to get into his slipstream and make a move.
The DRS solution is by no means a perfect solution, but its the best we have right now. It does provides the attacking driver with an artificial advantage, but it is to compensate for that artificial disadvantage mentioned earlier, so I guess it isn't so bad.
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Artificial and contrived! Simple all-out racing with the best technology allows and without manipulative rules
and technology is now very much a thing of the past. Woe are we, woe is F1.
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