Barcelona updates and revised exhaust blown diffuser regulations

[medeni73]

We are all pleased with actual performance gains from Turkey updates but can someone please recap what was actually NEW in Turkey? And whats coming in Barcelona? Did we introduced flexi wing or not? What parts of the car are announced to be updated in Barcelona? Anything secret or so many confusing infos that I've lost track :)

[alogoc]

i read that flex wing is yet to come from ferrari

[NJB13]

Things that I know were new in Turkey:-
Front Wing (based on what was tested in China, but not a flexing one yet)
Rear Wing
Floor
Difuser
Exhaust

Things coming in Barcelona
As the gearbox is due for a change, we can now change all the associated things with that as well as refinements we didn't/couldn't do without a gearbox change. To clarify that, this year GB's have to last 5 races, although you do get one free change without penalty. My guess is the team really know what to change to compensate for the erroneous wind tunnel data, some things we could implement in Turkey, others will be fully executed in Barcelona when can change the GB.
We will probably see the first fully flexing front wing there as well.

I'm so enthused by the team effort and performance in Turkey. Turkey is almost the perfect track for the RB7, where aero df is everything. For us to be so competitive and Nando to finish 10 seconds behind Vettel (nearly 5 seconds of that 10 seconds came from our pit-stops which we can/will improve I'm sure) is brilliant.

Get ready for this over the radio:-

SV to RB Pitwall - "why can't I catch those red cars"
RB to SV - "...er... not sure how to break this news to you Sebastian, but Nando and Felipe are faster than you, do you understand?"
SV to RB "are you guys #$@&ing with me"

I'm dripping with excitement about Barca

[scuderiafan]

NO Felxi wing, but Tombazis and Costa say one is coming soon, maybe for Barcelona.

They test different things for Spain on Friday, so with all the other teams bringing updates, i think we are one of the few to actually see on track what they are like.

SO, a new flooor and Exhaust/Diffuser is expected. here is a pic of what was tested



and i would assume that they would put the package for the turkish race into the recovered windtunnel to see if there can be even more df gained.

i love how all the news sites were saying that we had a big upgrade for the turkish race, when Ferrari said it was small, but nothing special.

so what would they class as big? . i guess we will see.

EDIT: Ferrari apparently testing RB style diffuser concept.

[zeus2]

Gearboxes will have to be used for five races this season so we will not be able to make any upgrades for barcelona as far as transmission is concerned. We do get one free gearbox change as NJB13 mentioned but I've not seen any indication that ferrari intend to make use of that. Unless the upgrade is a huge one and gives us a significant improvement in laptimes, I think it would be better to change it in Monaco (one race later) where we are entitled to a gearbox change without using up the free change (which we may need later in the season).

[scuderiafan]

I think they meant clutch rather than Gearbox. Although Ferrari had problems, but they have 3 weeks and can get it sorted.

[Werner]

Nice Job Ferrari, lets see in Barcelona as we would like to see Farnando on Pole - It is his home race !!

[FerrariF60]

Nice Job Ferrari, lets see in Barcelona as we would like to see Farnando on Pole - It is his home race !!

welcome to our GREAT site mate, and YES having Fernando on POLE at his home GP would be astonishing...all the TIFOSI would be going wild, and even more wild if he'd WIN it...

common Ferrari, YOU can do it....WE ARE THE BEST!!!! THE BEST IS RED....

[Jose Lorca]

In Turkey practice they tested a new exhaust, diffuser and floor but did not use it in the race. This was originally rumoured to be part of the Turkey update, but then Tombazis said only part of the planned developments would come. I think Ferrari wanted to see how effective the new concept was of blowing exhaust gases under the floor, as Red Bull do. Now they have two weeks to perfect the design. I heard that the rear suspension changes didn't produce expected results which is why it wasn't at Turkey. Again, Ferrari have time to improve it.

I don't know whether the flexible front wing will arrive in Spain, but it is expected to immediately give half a second. Let's hope it is on the car, as Barcelona requires good aero.

[burak karakutuk]

In Spain,pole position is very important to win and yes very tech. track like Turkey but we are coming strong.We need one second more as Alonso said

[f300v10]

Based on the math from yesterdays race, Ferrari only needs to gain around 0.2 sec per lap for Alonso to be fighting with or ahead of Vettel. Alonso was 10 seconds back at the finish. A huge 4.5 seconds of that came purely on pit lane. According to the Formula1 website, Vettel's total time on pit road was 1:21.6, while Alonso was 1:26.1. Take away another 2 or more seconds for the time lost behind Rosberg, and it becomes apparent that the actual time delta between Vettel and Alonso on race pace was between 3 and 4 seconds over a 58 lap race. That is less than 0.07 seconds per lap!

There is no way Ferrari can find the 0.8 seconds needed to fight for pole in the two weeks before Barcelona, but that is not what is needed. DRS will work just as well at Barcelona as it did in Turkey as the main strait is nice and long. So passing the Red Bull should not be a problem if the race pace is there. Picking up 0.2 seconds is very doable if Ferrari brings a similar upgrade to the next race. I think Red Bull/Vettel will soon have a true fight on their hands.

[Grillo]

We need another podium in Barcelona and a win in Monaco, Valencia and Canada.

[scuderiafan]

There are some rumors that the diffuser tested in Istanbul (the second picture in post no.4)
is blowing through the diffuser rather than over it, like what we have right now.

RB have that same thing, and McLaren popped it on before Aus.


But the interesting part is, believe it or not, and it does sound pretty unbelievable, that we can gain 0.8s-1s lap time gain if we can add that.

if true, that kind of explains McLaren's performance gain from testing to the races.

But Flexi wing may have to wait until Monaco or Canada.

[FerrariF60]

There are some rumors that the diffuser tested in Istanbul (the second picture in post no.4)
is blowing through the diffuser rather than over it, like what we have right now.

RB have that same thing, and McLaren popped it on before Aus.


But the interesting part is, believe it or not, and it does sound pretty unbelievable, that we can gain 0.8s-1s lap time gain if we can add that.

if true, that kind of explains McLaren's performance gain from testing to the races.

But Flexi wing may have to wait until Monaco or Canada.

...so if that's really the case , (us being only 0.8s behind the RED FOOLS in pure RAW pace in quali) then this upgrade should hopefully put us on PAR with them and ALONSO will do the rest, NO???on pure

[FerrariF60]

There are some rumors that the diffuser tested in Istanbul (the second picture in post no.4)
is blowing through the diffuser rather than over it, like what we have right now.

RB have that same thing, and McLaren popped it on before Aus.


But the interesting part is, believe it or not, and it does sound pretty unbelievable, that we can gain 0.8s-1s lap time gain if we can add that.

if true, that kind of explains McLaren's performance gain from testing to the races.

But Flexi wing may have to wait until Monaco or Canada.

...so if that's really the case , (us being only 0.8s behind the RED FOOLS in pure RAW pace in quali) then this upgrade should hopefully put us on PAR with them and ALONSO will do the rest, NO???

[Jose Lorca]

But the interesting part is, believe it or not, and it does sound pretty unbelievable, that we can gain 0.8s-1s lap time gain if we can add that.

That sound brilliant, but still difficult to believe it's up to 1 second more effective than our current design. Where did you hear this?

[scuderiafan]

That sound brilliant, but still difficult to believe it's up to 1 second more effective than our current design. Where did you hear this?

On the autosport. and f1 technical. as i said it is only a rumor, but it does fit in with McLarens return to form from testing to Aus.

Like this was said after they fitted exactly the same part.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9428957.stm

[neermsc]

guys,,,,i am not being pessimistic....but other teams wont rest between now and barcelona....so if we have to catch red bull......we have to do twice the improvements...hopefully we will get a massive update in barca which helps fernando win at home!!!FORZA FERRARI!!!:)

[Jose Lorca]

On the autosport. and f1 technical. as i said it is only a rumor, but it does fit in with McLarens return to form from testing to Aus.

Like this was said after they fitted exactly the same part.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9428957.stm

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense.... unfortunately just a rumour, but as you say the exhaust was an important reason for McLaren's sudden return to form in Australia.

The concept definitely has advantages over our current version, but I don't think it's as much as 0.8.

It would be fantastic though if it suddenly made the car 1 second faster. We would be on pole, and Ramilton would have Petrov to deal with.

[scuderiafan]

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense.... unfortunately just a rumour, but as you say the exhaust was an important reason for McLaren's sudden return to form in Australia.

The concept definitely has advantages over our current version, but I don't think it's as much as 0.8.

It would be fantastic though if it suddenly made the car 1 second faster. We would be on pole, and Ramilton would have Petrov to deal with.

would love seeing lewis get Petroved after that happening to Fernando too many times.

but i guess we will see. it does look like we are being extremely agressive in our development, if we can call the turkey update a minor one.

[f300v10]

McLaren picked up 1 second because their initial exhaust blown design was a complete and utter failure. They fitted a design similar to what Red Bull and Ferrari were already using, and sure enough they found close to 1 second. Our problem is we already have a design very similar to Red Bull. I am sure Ferrari are looking at ways to further improve it, but it won't give the type of delta McLaren found as the Ferrari design is already a good one. A true Red Bull style flexible front wing likely holds more performance potential for us than changing the diffuser.

[scuderiafan]

i dont think their octopus was that bad. it was worse than the rb and our version, but its major problem was heat and unreliability.

i agree that one second is a little too much, and tbh i dont know what the gain will be, but it will surely be more than the gain in istanbul. bring on barcelona,

[f300v10]

I think it was heat/reliability and performance, otherwise they wouldn't have 'found a second' when they fitted the RB/Ferrari design. If Ferrari can deliver an upgrade similar to the one brought to Turkey we will be in good shape. The wings and floor/diffuser are the primary drivers in the downforce package of the car. Given there are only two weeks until the next race I wouldn't expect Ferrari to suddenly find a 1/2 second or more. A solid three or four tenths per lap in race trim would have us in good position to attack the Red Bulls.

[scuderiafan]

Yeah fair enough. they were in a worse position then then we are now.

Nikolas Tombazis, Aldo Costa, Fernando Alonso, Stefano Domenicali, and Felipe Massa have all said that the upgrade for Turkey would not be that significant.

'it would be small improvement' one of them said. 'Nothing Big'

Tombazis and Costa said that the coming races will feature much bigger updates, starting at Barcelona. the reason apparently being that the wind tunnel was just fixed in the 3 week break.

So theoretically speaking, the upgrade for Barcelona should give an even bigger gain.

[ferrari4life]

How is our engine situation compared to other teams?

[scuderiafan]

How is our engine situation compared to other teams?

a lot better than last year, but the team will be working to get Felipes engine fixed for Spain, as they had to change it for quali in istanbul. Alonso, no problems.

[burak karakutuk]

First we are good at engine situation and yes as scuderia fan said we are better than last year,secondly i want to say nobody try to find a second in two weeks.It's planned for a long time because all teams in f1 starts big or major updates in Europe.So it means we worked for this upgrade for weeks.We can certainly find a second in two weeks.In addition to this windtunnel issues have been solved which helps us to develop faster.

[scuderiafan]

First we are good at engine situation and yes as scuderia fan said we are better than last year,secondly i want to say nobody try to find a second in two weeks.It's planned for a long time because all teams in f1 starts big or major updates in Europe.So it means we worked for this upgrade for weeks.We can certainly find a second in two weeks.In addition to this windtunnel issues have been solved which helps us to develop faster.

How'd you enjoy yesterday, man? You got to see the 1st of many podiums for the Scuderia

[burak karakutuk]

How'd you enjoy yesterday, man? You got to see the 1st of many podiums for the Scuderia

i really really enjoyed so much and it is my best Turkish gp there ever was mate.Only one time we won when i went to see:))) and now i am waiting for another podiums,victories for Scuderia.This time Turkey brings us lucky.

[scuderiafan]

nice!

I hope you got to see the boys pull off some nice moves.