Ferrari not ruling out Hamilton swoop

[Tifoso]

Am with you suzie!!!!...
it will be disgusting to watch lewis in red. Though it will be a great thing for the team. After Nando, he is the best.

Vettel is better*.


*though not as good as Fernando, obviously

[Jack]

I'd prefer Nico Rosberg.

[evo_spook]

Ken didn't mean it like that whatsoever.

Then maybe shouldn't have used the word bigot then.

[Tifoso]

Then maybe shouldn't have used the word bigot then.

Sarcasm

[Tifoso]

I'd prefer Nico Rosberg.

He is very talented.

[Suzie]

Then maybe shouldn't have used the word bigot then.

...or you could have not jumped to conclusions and assumed incorrectly that he was referring to race

[scuderiafan]

Vettel is better*.


*though not as good as Fernando, obviously

[evo_spook]

...or you could have not jumped to conclusions and assumed incorrectly that he was referring to race

Look at the definition of Bigot, as onthe other hand, maybe I'm correct and you're making excuses.

[Tifoso]

Look at the definition of Bigot, as onthe other hand, maybe I'm correct and you're making excuses.

She is a level headed Mod, and doesn't make excuses

[Greig]

Look at the definition of Bigot, as onthe other hand, maybe I'm correct and you're making excuses.

I would say racist would be more in line with hating him for his race?

I really doubt Ken meant what you think but hey ho you jump all over it, not very nice to accuse someone of doing that, how do you explain Ken not wanting Vettel as well, seems you ignore that.....

[evo_spook]

I would say racist would be more in line with hating him for his race?

I really doubt Ken meant what you think but hey ho you jump all over it, <b>not very nice to accuse someone of doing that,</b> how do you explain Ken not wanting Vettel as well, seems you ignore that.....

lol, in a thread filled with unintelligible hate thats a bit funny.

[Greig]

lol, in a thread filled with unintelligible hate thats a bit funny.

So what if people hate him, are you his dad? oh wait he hates him too

[crewskas]

So what if people hate him, are you his dad? oh wait he hates him too

[Suzie]

Look at the definition of Bigot, as onthe other hand, maybe I'm correct and you're making excuses.

If you honestly think that kind of opinion would be tolerated on here then you are very much mistaken, it's not very nice to assume that I or anyone else would make excuses for someone if they did hold those views.

[Jose Lorca]

Is it just me, or do Ferrari have a very low opinion of Massa?

From the Press Conference today:

(Joris Fioriti – Agence France Presse) Stefano, you said before that Lewis Hamilton was part of your top three of your fastest drivers. I guess Fernando Alonso is another; who would be the third driver?
SD: Sebastian Vettel.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91557

It's sure going to make Felipe's confidence go right down:

1. For the Ferrari team boss to say that kind of thing publicly is an insult to Felipe Massa (though I agree with Stefano)
2. Then to sign Alonso's contract - and then openly discuss the second Ferrari seat is also mean to Felipe (they shouldn't have announced Alonso's contract yet)

[evo_spook]

If you honestly think that kind of opinion would be tolerated on here then you are very much mistaken, it's not very nice to assume that I or anyone else would make excuses for someone if they did hold those views.

Why not, it fits in line with a lot of the irrational hate filled posts filling this forum thread, why start getting scared if it gets to close to the bone.

F1 is about the best drivers, its strange to hate drivers so much that just drive for a rival team, rivaly is one thing, but this goes beyond this. McLaren driver? So was kimi and Alonso and unlike Lewis, Alonso actually spoke against Ferrari, all rather childish to think its clever and jolly

[REDARMYSOJA]

Will Buxton on SPEED this morning reported that there is a "very strong rumor" in the paddock that Ferrari has already signed Kubica for next season. But Luca saying just last week that "Massa has a contract and will be at Ferrari next season" sort of throws a kink in that rumor. But I think they also said the same thing about Kimi and we know what happened there. The thought is, if this is true, that Kubica had signed before his crash, and now Massa has a reprieve for next season, with speculation that Kubica will not be ready next year, if ever.

That's your rumor-monger report for today.

[Tifoso]

I would not be surprised if the rumor is true.

[Tech_Skill]

At one time, Alonso was almost as hated, now he is hailed almost as the 2nd coming, time and need sometimes overtakes stupidity

The most sensible comment ive read in here so far. Alonso was absolutely DESPISED by tifosi, back in 2006 and I personally just Hated the guy. He was THE 'anti-ferrari' no doubt about it and he said he would never drive for ferrari, how driving winning ferrari hasd less value and all kinds of stuff........

Look at Alonso now. He's a hero (certainly in my household).

The bottom line is, Hamilton is absolute top draw and argueably the fastest driver in the sport over a lap, if ferrari gave him the car, he would do all kinds of damage and win races for jokes and the tifosi would warm to him I feel, they like winners. If Alonso doesnt hold up to his end of the 5 year deal, I think Ferrari would look towards lewis.

The only thing is...the hamilton supporters, i dont want them anywhere near ferrari, cant stand them to be honest.

[evo_spook]

The only thing is...the hamilton supporters, i dont want them anywhere near ferrari, cant stand them to be honest.

Any worse then Kimi or Alonso supporters, every following as fanatic followers not just drivers but teams aswell

[Greig]

The most sensible comment ive read in here so far. Alonso was absolutely DESPISED by tifosi, back in 2006 and I personally just Hated the guy. He was THE 'anti-ferrari' no doubt about it and he said he would never drive for ferrari, how driving winning ferrari hasd less value and all kinds of stuff........

Very very wrong, and if you were to go to Monza in 2006 for instance you would see nothing but respect for Alonso, you are not the Tifosi nor are you the spokesperson

And he never ever said he would not drive for Ferrari, you just made that up

[evo_spook]

And he never ever said he would not drive for Ferrari, you just made that up

Correct, he never did, he said


Fernando Alonso - “I don't see any future at Ferrari for me. To be honest, I've never really been interested in that team at all. I want to race for a team that can win races, and that is Renault this year, but McLaren next year.”

[Tech_Skill]

Any worse then Kimi or Alonso supporters, every following as fanatic followers not just drivers but teams aswell

Yeah but they are just something else, but you are right, you get WUM's on both sides, (including here lol). Im just giving my opinion, I personally dont want them anywhere near ferrari, its interesting because alot of them have been clamouring for lewis to leave macca for a while and quite a few of them are very up for him joining ferrari, thus they were pretty upset when alonso signed his 5 year deal, alot of bitterness on the forums for sure ''ferrari will regret this, now they have blocked lewis and vettel'' etc etc.

But Hamilton given a car capable of winning would turn the tifosi around imo, he's is box office, particulary when chasing/hunting down other drivers.

[Tifoso]

Original source, please

[Greig]

If you believe Marca

[Tech_Skill]

Is it just me, or do Ferrari have a very low opinion of Massa?

From the Press Conference today:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91557

It's sure going to make Felipe's confidence go right down:

I would say Felipe is probably coming to the end at Ferrari, simply for the fact he doesnt bring home enough points to make ferrari a force in the constructors, personally, I think ferrari might like a balance, someone perhaps a bit faster than massa, but not someone who is going to disturb alonso......who knows.

[Agron]

Every 5 posts of those that criticize the people that are critizicing Hamilton, at least one mentions his race as the reason for the criticism. I find it quite incredible that considering the participants of two british general F1 forums I visit flame Vettel for celebrating with his finger and dominating the sport, people can't accept that the dislike for Hamilton comes from his arrogant comments, his 2007 actions, his dad's 2007 actions and him driving for the opponent and being the main competitor, and not from his race. IMO the hate for Vettel is disproportionate compared with his "offenses", in relation to Hamilton and Alonso, should be think that people hate Vettel for being german or for being blonde with blue eyes?
I won't say there's no racism because it's a widespread problem in all cultures, but we can't assume everone is racist.

how driving winning ferrari hasd less value and all kinds of stuff........

I always understood that as a David vs Goliath kind of comment, rather than Ferrari being a lesser team or something: beating them had more value because at the time without testing ban and unrestricted budgets, Ferrari had almost as much resources as everyone else combined, so him winning in Renault or going to McLaren and making them rise from several years of no titles would be similar to what Luca, Schumy, Todt, Brawn, Byrne, ... did.

[Tifoso]

Every 5 posts of those that criticize the people that are critizicing Hamilton, at least one mentions his race as the reason for the criticism. I find it quite incredible that considering the participants of two british general F1 forums I visit flame Vettel for celebrating with his finger and dominating the sport, people can't accept that the dislike for Hamilton comes from his arrogant comments, his 2007 actions, his dad's 2007 actions and him driving for the opponent and being the main competitor, and not from his race. IMO the hate for Vettel is disproportionate compared with his "offenses", in relation to Hamilton and Alonso, should be think that people hate Vettel for being german or for being blonde with blue eyes?
I won't say there's no racism because it's a widespread problem in all cultures, but we can't assume everone is racist.

[Tech_Skill]

Every 5 posts of those that criticize the people that are critizicing Hamilton, at least one mentions his race as the reason for the criticism. I find it quite incredible that considering the participants of two british general F1 forums I visit flame Vettel for celebrating with his finger and dominating the sport, people can't accept that the dislike for Hamilton comes from his arrogant comments, his 2007 actions, his dad's 2007 actions and him driving for the opponent and being the main competitor, and not from his race. IMO the hate for Vettel is disproportionate compared with his "offenses", in relation to Hamilton and Alonso, should be think that people hate Vettel for being german or for being blonde with blue eyes?

I agree with this, although if you go on youtube and see some of the videos and comments particulary from spanish fans towards hamilton, its pretty disgusting.....seriously and quite embarassing too. However, yes, I believe the majority dont like hamilton because of his WUM fans and his constant 'reprimands' and the stuff he was doing in 2007 which gets over looked.

I always understood that as a David vs Goliath kind of comment, rather than Ferrari being a lesser team or something: beating them had more value because at the time without testing ban and unrestricted budgets, Ferrari had almost as much resources as everyone else combined, so him winning in Renault or going to McLaren and making them rise from several years of no titles would be similar to what Luca, Schumy, Todt, Brawn, Byrne, ... did.

I can go along with this, however he made some other really unsavory comments during that championship run in with michael, the whole thing just started getting out of hand to be honest, but Alonso is an emotional guy and he is prone to saying inflammatory comments in the heat of the moment.

[evo_spook]

people can't accept that the dislike for Hamilton comes from his arrogant comments, his 2007 actions, his dad's 2007 actions and him driving for the opponent and being the main competitor, and not from his race. him winning in Renault or going to McLaren and making them rise from several years of no titles would be similar to what Luca, Schumy, Todt, Brawn, Byrne, ... did.

Arrogance? No more then Vettel, ALonso and MS

his 2007 actions, you'll have to remind me what was so bad compared to other drivers?


in 2007 I can remember ferrari fans moaning at the beginning of the season about McLaren favouring Alonso with team orders and cheeting Lewis on to beat Alonso. This "2007" seems like an imaginary stick to beat to give yourselfs some validation.