Spanish GP - Qualifying thread

**crewskas** · 21st May 2011, 15:07

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

since the setup was made with the rear, wing then banned, that affected out balance quite a lot. with it, we would have made a pronounced step forward here. and Monaco you will see, my friend

Rear wing changes does not affect a lot in the car, because it's just the last part and just pushes the car down...
The same stands for the setup...

Front wing on the contrary, affects everything...

That's why we say that this improvement, isn't possible to give you more than 2-3 tenths...

Even if it did, this is the track where all teams know what to do for a good setup...

**burak karakutuk** · 21st May 2011, 15:08

also i want to add something is we are really better at softer tyres.see this in Monaco and Canada.we are coming yesss.i am happy like a winner of pole position

**Greig** · 21st May 2011, 15:09

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

since the setup was made with the rear, wing then banned, that affected out balance quite a lot. with it, we would have made a pronounced step forward here. and Monaco you will see, my friend

Setup was not made with the banned wing though, as I keep saying, read the press release yesterday, we tested the wing, we did not make a setup around it other wise you don't know if it is working or not, the testing will all be done with a base stock setup so they can see easily if things work or not.

**burak karakutuk** · 21st May 2011, 15:11

didnt this rear wing introduce to use drs well? isnt rear wing part of aerodinamics?1tenths or 2 tenths.every second is important for us isnt it guys.

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:12

Originally Posted by crewskas

Rear wing changes does not affect a lot in the car, because it's just the last part and just pushes the car down...
The same stands for the setup...

Front wing on the contrary, affects everything...

That's why we say that this improvement, isn't possible to give you more than 2-3 tenths...

Even if it did, this is the track where all teams know what to do for a good setup...

it affects balance a lot. it means that the rear wasnt as well balanced as before. granted it wont give that much time, but then with it off, the setup would have been all wrong.

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:14

Originally Posted by Greig

Setup was not made with the banned wing though, as I keep saying, read the press release yesterday, we tested the wing, we did not make a setup around it other wise you don't know if it is working or not, the testing will all be done with a base stock setup so they can see easily if things work or not.

Alonso said his car was undriveable in FP3. and surely that was the only change they had to make with regards to setup. as they looked competitive on Friday, but then with the wing off, they looked bad in FP3. imo, they would have run it, if they were allowed to.

**NJB13** · 21st May 2011, 15:16

Things looking good for another step forward tomorrow. Lewis is a flat spotted front left might help. Nando stay out of trouble through turn 1, Felipe get a magic start and jump a few places. I'm certain Nando is thinking win.

**Greig** · 21st May 2011, 15:17

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

Alonso said his car was undriveable in FP3. and surely that was the only change they had to make with regards to setup. as they looked competitive on Friday, but then with the wing off, they looked bad in FP3. imo, they would have run it, if they were allowed to.

Not really, temps different, more fuel etc etc, they hardly ran the new wing much in practice to make a setup around it. As I said they neglected setup work all Friday to do testing, which is why today was all about getting the setup done.

**Rishu** · 21st May 2011, 15:18

I am concerned about one potential threat - BJ

He generally gets good starts

**ferrari4life** · 21st May 2011, 15:22

I still think we are on the backfoot for the race. however we are better on long runs. Its a toss up. Hope we didnt sacrifice the race for a jump in quali position.

**zeus2** · 21st May 2011, 15:24

Originally Posted by Rishu

I am concerned about one potential threat - BJ

He generally gets good starts

BJ? only has one meaning in my vocabulary and it has nothing to do with racing,

.

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:26

Originally Posted by Greig

Not really, temps different, more fuel etc etc, they hardly ran the new wing much in practice to make a setup around it. As I said they neglected setup work all Friday to do testing, which is why today was all about getting the setup done.

i thought they said they managed to do all the setup work on friday. they must have done some, and that would have been compromised.

the point i am trying to make is that the wing may have been legal, or illegal. but if they were to ban it, do it on Thursday, after scrutineering. not after friday, where some valuable collection data is done.

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:26

Originally Posted by zeus2

BJ? only has one meaning in my vocabulary and it has nothing to do with racing,

.

**Hornet** · 21st May 2011, 15:30

Originally Posted by zeus2

BJ? only has one meaning in my vocabulary and it has nothing to do with racing,

.

Must be a Ferrari's pre-race ritual thing

**burak karakutuk** · 21st May 2011, 15:30

fernado said without the new wing we lost 3/4 tenths compared with yesterday pace, and thats why he happy

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:31

Originally Posted by burak karakutuk

fernado said without the new wing we lost 3/4 tenths compared with yesterday pace, and thats why he happy

where did he say that?

**Greig** · 21st May 2011, 15:33

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

i thought they said they managed to do all the setup work on friday. they must have done some, and that would have been compromised.

the point i am trying to make is that the wing may have been legal, or illegal. but if they were to ban it, do it on Thursday, after scrutineering. not after friday, where some valuable collection data is done.

Alonso after Friday - "We still have to work on the set-up: today we had too many things to test and we did not have time to make too many changes."

We still do not know if Ferrari even intended to run the wing, or if it was something that did not work....

"We had a lot of new components to test: as always happens in these situations, some worked well, others less so." Pat Fry

**burak karakutuk** · 21st May 2011, 15:34

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

where did he say that?

i dont know but i must edit
he had said.because i just read it from a source that you dont like

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:37

Originally Posted by Greig

Alonso after Friday - "We still have to work on the set-up: today we had too many things to test and we did not have time to make too many changes."

We still do not know if Ferrari even intended to run the wing, or if it was something that did not work....

"We had a lot of new components to test: as always happens in these situations, some worked well, others less so." Pat Fry

didnt they also say something along the lines of 'The drivers managed to get through all the jobs today without any problems'

true, we dont know if it did work, but imo, the difference in handling between the 2 days was a lot imo.

**scuderiafan** · 21st May 2011, 15:37

Originally Posted by burak karakutuk

i dont know but i must edit
he had said.because i just read it from a source that you dont like

AMuS?

**theforce** · 21st May 2011, 15:39

Seb's answers at the post qualy interview were all over the place. Seems like he loses it when can't score pole and so forgets to recite the whole redbull bible for each question. What a nerd!

**Rishu** · 21st May 2011, 15:39

Originally Posted by zeus2

BJ? only has one meaning in my vocabulary and it has nothing to do with racing,

.

I can tell you its very racy if having right set-up

**crewskas** · 21st May 2011, 15:40

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

it affects balance a lot. it means that the rear wasnt as well balanced as before. granted it wont give that much time, but then with it off, the setup would have been all wrong.

Even if it affects balance, this can easily be corrected with the previous wing. It's not that "science", regarding just a rear wing change...

But Greig is right.

Setup was not made for the new wing..

Still, except scuderiafan, noone else said, if he really believes that in two races we will have "the winning car" as they predicted...
What you all think?

**Nisko** · 21st May 2011, 15:57

I now increasingly recognized that Flavio well spoken, and I think that this will never be the car to win, my opinion

**EL NANO** · 21st May 2011, 15:57

I guess the only ppl that know if we the car set up around the new wing is the mechanics themselves not us fans.. But one thing is clear we r still where we were , no change

**Greig** · 21st May 2011, 16:01

The problem is others do not stand still to let us catch up, we might well have improved, so have the others, we are better off than normal in qual, so let's see the race, seems a common theme this season lots of Saturday whinging, then Sunday comes around

**crewskas** · 21st May 2011, 16:06

Originally Posted by Greig

The problem is others do not stand still to let us catch up, we might well have improved, so have the others

Exactly the reason from the second race of the season, some of us said things are not gonna turn around that easy...
Even if you find a second, other will at least find 0.5...

Originally Posted by Greig

we are better off than normal in qual, so let's see the race, seems a common theme this season lots of Saturday whinging, then Sunday comes around

True, but that didn't seem to throw Red Bulls of the podium...
So even if Ferrari makes us happier in Sundays, without quali pure pace, things still will be bad I think...

**zakfourie** · 21st May 2011, 16:08

Oi! Listen why did The RB's and the McMowers went first in Q3 and end up 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
Coincidence or is there something Ferrari missed?

**crewskas** · 21st May 2011, 16:13

In order to have time, if someone passes them to give another try...

See something nice:

Barcelona 2011 winter testing:

F. Alonso 1m:21.614

His really amazing lap today?

1:21.964...!

Red Bulls, McLaren improved from winter...
We and Mercedes don't...

(Mercedes had a glory run with MS though)...

We?
A step backwards?

Don't anyone say, this is the rear wing

**Nova** · 21st May 2011, 16:14

Ferrari did ok, Nando appeared ok yelling there a bit, so he must feel he's in it with a chance.

We did use an extra set of tires there, and with the hard compound being 2 seconds a lap slower we will
be on the back foot a bit. Going to take some strategy...

On a side note, what a drag to be held hostage by tires that change from race to race. what a drag to
pay money to watch Q, and have all of the cars sit in the garage waiting for the last 3 minutes of Q3 to run because
they want to save tires for the race. Who comes up w/these ideas?

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