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    Ferrari not enjoying the hard life

    The Spanish Grand Prix was a strange one for Ferrari, with Fernando Alonso rocketing into the lead at the start and then sliding backwards as the race went on, later to be lapped by the two leaders. He now lies 67 points behind Sebastian Vettel in the drivers’ championship.

    There were a number of problems on Sunday for the Scuderia, but the main one was the car’s inability to generate heat and grip in the new hard Pirelli tyre.



    Alonso's stellar start (Photo: Ferrari)

    Alonso showed his determination to get a result for his home fans and to celebrate his new five year contract with a stunning lap in qualifying on Saturday to split the McLarens.

    But that lap was set on soft tyres over a single lap, the story on race day, especially on hard tyres, was very different.

    The extent to which the Ferrari was at sea on the new harder compound hard tyre was clear from the problems of Felipe Massa.

    But it wasn’t just the tyres that were the problem for Ferrari; it was the lack of downforce generally, which caught them out.

    “What we have seen today was expected, ” said team principal Stefano Domenicali after the race. “Here unfortunately in the condition where the car needs to have the maximum downforce – and we know we don’t have it – we had a multiplied effect on the tyres, above all on the hard, because we were not able to let them work.”

    After a stellar start, Alonso led the first two stints – 18 laps in total, before his second stop. Some 46 laps later he was lapped by Vettel, meaning that he had lost an average of 1.9 seconds a lap between those two moments, most of it in the two stints on hard tyres after he switched to them on lap 29. At that time the gap to Vettel was just under 20 seconds. In the next 35 laps it increased to 87 seconds – a loss of 2.4 seconds per lap average.

    “Basically we were out of position in a way (in the opening laps) we were not quick in the weekend,” said Alonso. “We did a very good lap yesterday and we were fourth, and maybe it was a strange result, and today on lap one we were first.”

    As for his start, which was one of the highlights of the race, it was against the run of form. Alonso has generally had a poor time of it off the line this season. In the first three races he lost places; four in Australia, two in Malaysia, one in China and then he gained one place off the start in Turkey.

    “We were missing some good starts this year and it finally came today,” said Alonso “And here with the long straight to Turn One you have the opportunity to take the slipstream as well.”


    Ferrari had a setback with the FIA deeming their rear wing ineligible, albeit complimenting them on their ingenuity.

    The rule says that the rear wing must be no more than 950mm above the floor of the car. The Gurney flaps on top of the Ferrari wing took it 30mm over that limit. Ferrari’s idea was to engineer the wing in such a way that they could argue that the Gurney flaps were part of the rear wing support, which doesn’t fall under the height restrictions. But the FIA didn’t buy it and on Saturday they had to go back to the Turkey specification wing, with a resulting small loss of rear downforce.

    The team has been criticised for not being creative enough in recent years, in comparison with Red Bull and McLaren. Here was an example of them pushing the envelope a little, but it didn’t work out.

    The next race is Monaco, a track where Alonso could have had a say last year had he not crashed in practice. This year marks the tenth anniversary of Ferrari’s last win in the Principality, a surprising record given how strong Ferrari was in the mid 2000s.

    You wouldn’t put it past Alonso and Ferrari to have a strong weekend there with the new supersoft Pirelli tyres on offer.
    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...the-hard-life/

    James thinks it aint over. neither do i. we have begun to push the envelope, like the fans wanted. we will do this.


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    i'm with you mate, i think we can do this...i think there's more to come from Ferrari, and having such a driver as ALONSO on board with us with such massive determination and skill, all HE NEEDS is a car that is within 2 to 3 tenths off pace compared to Red Fools, and BELIEVE YOU ME, AS WE ALL KNOW IT HE WILL DO THE REST!!!!

    ....NOW BRING ON MONACO
    So the SF-24 has been a decent car. Lets hope that the totally redesigned from the ground up SF-25 contender will be a beast that will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    i'm with you mate, i think we can do this...i think there's more to come from Ferrari, and having such a driver as ALONSO on board with us with such massive determination and skill, all HE NEEDS is a car that is within 2 to 3 tenths off pace compared to Red Fools, and BELIEVE YOU ME, AS WE ALL KNOW IT HE WILL DO THE REST!!!!

    ....NOW BRING ON MONACO
    Damn right. thats the spirit. Tifosi never give up on Ferrari!


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    Some 46 laps later he was lapped by Vettel, meaning that he had lost an average of 1.9 seconds a lap between those two moments, most of it in the two stints on hard tyres after he switched to them on lap 29. At that time the gap to Vettel was just under 20 seconds. In the next 35 laps it increased to 87 seconds – a loss of 2.4 seconds per lap average.

    These are some depressing numbers, though...
    1:29:53.435 || 207.316 || 310.596

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    Quote Originally Posted by ales View Post
    Some 46 laps later he was lapped by Vettel, meaning that he had lost an average of 1.9 seconds a lap between those two moments, most of it in the two stints on hard tyres after he switched to them on lap 29. At that time the gap to Vettel was just under 20 seconds. In the next 35 laps it increased to 87 seconds – a loss of 2.4 seconds per lap average.

    These are some depressing numbers, though...
    i guess well have to lap them in Monaco


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    Quote Originally Posted by scuderiafan View Post
    Damn right. thats the spirit. Tifosi never give up on Ferrari!
    Give up...hell NO...if the BEST driver on the grid which happens to drive our RED BEAUTY doesn't, WHY SHOULD WE!!!!!
    if we are true TIFOSI, we have to stand by our team through both, GOOD and BAD times...

    Forza Ferrari, Fernando and Felipe
    So the SF-24 has been a decent car. Lets hope that the totally redesigned from the ground up SF-25 contender will be a beast that will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Give up...hell NO...if the BEST driver on the grid which happens to drive our RED BEAUTY doesn't, WHY SHOULD WE!!!!!
    if we are true TIFOSI, we have to stand by our team through both, GOOD and BAD times...

    Forza Ferrari, Fernando and Felipe


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    I'm happy that they tried that controversial rear wing because it means that we're trying to push development and be creative
    Mark Webber: "If you push to try and pass you kill the tyres but if you wait, then you find you're on the same strategy and finish behind them anyway".

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuderiafan View Post
    i guess well have to lap them in Monaco
    Twice!!!!!!!!

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    no question of giving up, we had some forgettable years and this is certainly not as bad as that...if nothing else, its more fun watching the racing this year and we had the expectations of improvement making it more interesting.
    also, i'm an F1 fan as much as a tifoso, so i dont enjoy years where anyone runs away with the WDC/ WCC, its more fun like last year. at least in that aspect, i hope someone (hopefully someone in red) catches up to Seb and Lewser...

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    We can be positive for Monaco!

    We appear to have good mechanical grip, and treat the tyres well. Our main driver in a Monaco expert and he never gives up. I expect us to be ahead of McLaren here, but probably not Red Bull - as they have too much downforce.

    I'd love to see how long Hamilton lasts on the super softs

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    I am realy hoping we will have learnt a lot about the use of these new tyres and can start using them to our advantage, this is the area i think were we are weak. The car shows it has all the other attributes of performance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Lorca View Post
    I'd love to see how long Hamilton lasts on the super softs
    +1

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