Ferrari 2012 Driver Line Up

[Fiondella]

Another example of uncalled/unprovoked aggresiveness that I was referring to.

Do me a favour. You think this place is full of BS and then you expect us not to respond. Wake up my friend and smell the coffee.

[de Portago]

Quite ironic coming from you

Once again you find a way to wind up the members here, it's really boring

But of course, your comments are, on the other hand, extremely entertaining. I think you should learn to live with other people's opinions even if they don't suit yours.

[de Portago]

Do me a favour. You think this place is full of BS and then you expect us not to respond. Wake up my friend and smell the coffee.

Read my post. I did not say that this place was full fo BS. I said that there was some BS. If it was full of BS I would not write here. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[Greig]

But of course, your comments are, on the other hand, extremely entertaining. I think you should learn to live with other people's opinions even if they don't suit yours.

Ah so me not agreeing with you means I have a problem with others opinions?

So you want us all to agree do you? seems then that you have a problem with differing opinions and not me I suggest you live with not everyone here is single minded about one driver Nor should we feel we have to come here to defend our driver or team from fanboys.

[Fiondella]

Read my post. I did not say that this place was full fo BS. I said that there was some BS. If it was full of BS I would not write here. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Thanks for the clarification but with all the BS that I get to read in this forum you never know when it's serious and when not.

Back track all you like. Foot in hand disease!

[de Portago]

Back track all you like. Foot in hand disease!

There is an obvious problem with your understanding of my English.....

[Fiondella]

There is an obvious problem with your understanding of my English.....

Oh really? So you didn't intend to be deragatory about this forum???? I think the problem may be your attitude

[de Portago]

Ah so me not agreeing with you means I have a problem with others opinions?

So you want us all to agree do you? seems then that you have a problem with differing opinions and not me I suggest you live with not everyone here is single minded about one driver Nor should we feel we have to come here to defend our driver or team from fanboys.

My critical (but also informed) opinions about Massa's perfomance -which, by the way, can be objectively measured- are invariably met with accusations of trolling. It seems that anyone disagreeing with your opinions is invariably responded with derogatory remarks and threats of banning.

I am no fanboy- just extremely critical of those incapable of earning their keep. If you can't respect that, then there is no way that we can discuss things in this forum.

[de Portago]

Oh really? So you didn't intend to be deragatory about this forum???? I think the problem may be your attitude

No I didn't. Maybe you should shed your prejudices and read my comments with an open mind.

[Greig]

My critical (but also informed) opinions about Massa's perfomance -which, by the way, can be objectively measured- are invariably met with accusations of trolling. It seems that anyone disagreeing with your opinions is invariably responded with derogatory remarks and threats of banning.

I am no fanboy- just extremely critical of those incapable of earning their keep. If you can't respect that, then there is no way that we can discuss things in this forum.

You changed your informed opinion the next day right? So yes it did seem somewhat as if you were trolling and jumping in to attack a Ferrari driver, calling him unintelligent is off course highly informed and the right way to do things right?

If your criticism can't be constructive and without venom then you are right you will not be discussing on this forum, that is not a threat.

[Fiondella]

No I didn't. Maybe you should shed your prejudices and read my comments with an open mind.

An open mind and lack of prejudice is not something that you seem to have in abundance judging by your comments

[de Portago]

You changed your informed opinion the next day right? So yes it did seem somewhat as if you were trolling and jumping in to attack a Ferrari driver, calling him unintelligent is off course highly informed and the right way to do things right?

If your criticism can't be constructive and without venom then you are right you will not be discussing on this forum, that is not a threat.

I changed my opinion as soon as I saw evidence that improved my level of information. Venom? You must be joking. I come here to enjoy myself and all this bickering at worst makes me wonder why people like you cannot take things in a more relaxed, less aggresive manner. I hold no grudge againts Massa whatsoever, but I am not blind and I can see that he is not performing to the standard expected from a Ferrari driver.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life arguing with you. So I'll finish with a small thought. Whatever we fans write about Massa or Alonso or any other member of the team is totally worthless. So you think Massa is performing wonderfully.... good. I don't. Try to accept my opinion as much as I accept yours. The important thing is what members of the Team do on the raceday and whether LDM and Co think that they've earned their keep or not. They will be judged on their performance, not on your opinion or mine. Have a nice day.

[de Portago]

You changed your informed opinion the next day right? So yes it did seem somewhat as if you were trolling and jumping in to attack a Ferrari driver, calling him unintelligent is off course highly informed and the right way to do things right?

If your criticism can't be constructive and without venom then you are right you will not be discussing on this forum, that is not a threat.

I changed my opinion as soon as I saw evidence that improved my level of information. Venom? You must be joking. I come here to enjoy myself and all this bickering at worst makes me wonder why people like you cannot take things in a more relaxed, less aggresive manner. I hold no grudge againts Massa whatsoever, but I am not blind and I can see that he is not performing to the standard expected from a Ferrari driver.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life arguing with you. So I'll finish with a small thought. Whatever we fans write about Massa or Alonso or any other member of the team is totally worthless. So you think Massa is performing wonderfully.... good. I don't. Try to accept my opinion as much as I accept yours. The important thing is what members of the Team do on the raceday and whether LDM and Co think that they've earned their keep or not. They will be judged on their performance, not on your opinion or mine. Have a nice day.

[de Portago]

An open mind and lack of prejudice is not something that you seem to have in abundance judging by your comments

OK. That's your opinion. I am also entitled to mine.

[Greig]

I changed my opinion as soon as I saw evidence that improved my level of information. Venom? You must be joking. I come here to enjoy myself and all this bickering at worst makes me wonder why people like you cannot take things in a more relaxed, less aggresive manner. I hold no grudge againts Massa whatsoever, but I am not blind and I can see that he is not performing to the standard expected from a Ferrari driver.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life arguing with you. So I'll finish with a small thought. Whatever we fans write about Massa or Alonso or any other member of the team is totally worthless. So you think Massa is performing wonderfully.... good. I don't. Try to accept my opinion as much as I accept yours. The important thing is what members of the Team do on the raceday and whether LDM and Co think that they've earned their keep or not. They will be judged on their performance, not on your opinion or mine. Have a nice day.

So your initial attack on Massa was not informed as you say it was? you had no evidence yet you attacked him without any information, which is why people accused you off trolling, you then get the information and see you were wrong, lesson learnt maybe I never said anything about Massa's performances either all I did was defend him against your ill-informed opinion of why he crashed in Monaco, I can say Massa is not performing without upsetting members, just as I can say the same about Alonso when it happens, there is no need to upset others in doing so And I do accept your opinion, but you seem to have a problem with people not accepting your's as the only one

This place can be very relaxed, but when members attack our team or driver for the sake of it then off course they will get a rough time, if we want to defend all things Ferrari all day long we can go to the many sites that offer that, this place should never be about attacking Ferrari should it, maybe you should respect that Can't really be bothered ruining another thread with tit for tat so let's hope that's an end to it

[alogoc]

massa is to slow

[Tech_Skill]

...and u think nico is fast and would be a threat to alonso??? somehow i highly doubt it

Rosberg is quite highly rated actually, who knows, not saying he would be beat alonso, but i think he might really give him a good run for his money, dont see whats super funny about that.

and as for the ''nobody could give Alonso a run for his money right now'', Hamilton DEFINATELY gives alonso a run for his money whatever the car, very little between those two drivers, if at all.

[Ferrari Man]

I think with my car control i should be .. Plenty of practice on my playstation 1 f1 97.

[Greig]

massa is to slow

Alonso is too fast

[REDARMYSOJA]

I hold no grudge againts Massa whatsoever, but I am not blind and I can see that he is not performing to the standard expected from a Ferrari driver.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life arguing with you. So I'll finish with a small thought. Whatever we fans write about Massa or Alonso or any other member of the team is totally worthless. So you think Massa is performing wonderfully.... good. I don't.

Here's a newsflash for you, you're not telling anyone anything we don't already know. You act like we are all a bunch of fools who can't see the truth so you must come here and enlighten us. It's obvious to everyone that things aren't going well for Massa. We don't need you to tell us that and constantly doing so doesn't help one bit. Some of us are for the team and will support who is there while they are there. I've already told you before that Massa has built up enough good will with the fans that he will get more leeway that most would. That's why you get so much stick for constantly saying he is underperforming.

Like you say, what we think is irrelevant, it will be Luca and Ferrari who decide if Massa should leave. We don't care what you think about it. And we don't care to hear it non-stop.

[de Portago]

...and as for the ''nobody could give Alonso a run for his money right now'', Hamilton DEFINATELY gives alonso a run for his money whatever the car, very little between those two drivers, if at all.

I quite agree with you of that. In terms of sheer speed, I think Hamilton and Alonso are very much on par. Only that Hamilton lacks the savvy to be a true number one. He seems to leave his brain behind when he changes to his overalls me thinks.

[Tech_Skill]

I quite agree with you of that. In terms of sheer speed, I think Hamilton and Alonso are very much on par. Only that Hamilton lacks the savvy to be a true number one. He seems to leave his brain behind when he changes to his overalls me thinks.

Its a very wierd subject to be honest, mainly because Alonso's speed is actually UNDERRATED and yet I still dont think he is faster than Hamilton for raw pace. I tell you one thing tho, I would LOVE to see Hamilton vs Vettel in the same team, i'd put serious money on Hamilton hurting him real bad in equal machinery, particulary in race situations.

[Greig]

Nico would be worth a go at Ferrari I think if they are looking, but to be honest I don't think they have any desire to change Massa.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Nico would be worth a go at Ferrari I think if they are looking, but to be honest I don't think they have any desire to change Massa.

Yes, Nico would be a good choice if they are looking to replace Massa. I wouldn't mind Button either. Both are smooth and consistant, and good point scorers, plus we'd get to look at Button's girlfriend more. I would have like Kubica, but I'm not so sure he'll ever be back or if he does he'll be the same.

I agree they might not be looking to replace Massa. They know what they have with him and he and Smedley seem to be a good team.

[REDARMYSOJA]

stupid double post

[scuderiafan]

i dont think nico is up for grabs. maybe after the rumours, but he is doing an Alonso

http://www.inautonews.com/nico-rosbe...tension-report

[crewskas]

Im really bored of alonso fans slagging massa.

+ a million...

I am no fanboy- just extremely critical of those incapable of earning their keep. If you can't respect that, then there is no way that we can discuss things in this forum.

I don't like to be offensive, but no mate.
You are exactly just that.
A fanboy.
And what you do all the time, is to try and convince the rest of us how great Alonso is and the best of all times and how super duper he is and how he could smash all others...
And at the same time, you are bashing Massa the whole time in anything.
You didn't had evidence, like someone needs evidence to know what a driver of his team is capable of and what was done on track...
Don't need to mention other bashing too...
People here already did that.

Guess what?
We got that...
And we got bored...
Really bored to hear these things every single day.

I wouldn't go offensive, if that was just once, but it's what you do all the time, despite the fact other guys already told you not to do so...

massa is to slow

And you are exactly as the above.
But more laconic...





Greig,
please do all Ferrari fans a favor and either lock threads that start just for bashing Felipe, or just delete posts that do so...

It's not what we like to read in our team's forum I think.

Sorry from all if I 've been too aggressive...

[Anni]

Greig,
please do all Ferrari fans a favor and either lock threads that start just for bashing Felipe, or just delete posts that do so...

It's not what we like to read in our team's forum I think.

Sorry from all if I 've been too aggressive...

+1
You are far from being too aggressive!

[Anni]

You're hired get your overalls on and bring the jaffa cakes!!

I´m on my way. Hope you didn´t invite some trolls

[Ferrarichamp]

scuderia 2012:

F. Briatore to replace S. Domenicali

driver line-up:

Kimi to return as nr 1 driver (former Ferrari WDC)
Fernando as nr 2 driver to Kimi