Red bull seemed to be able to keep beating the FIA load test when it comes to the front wing. Im non technical, but a freind of mine is techy, he said something about the way in which red bull layer the carbon fibre sheets which make up the wings that allows it to flex under load or something like that.
Then, you also have the rake the red bull has also, which I think means air pushes the front wing down when it travels over it????
Ahhh they only used the new tyres for practice and not the race then?
http://www.formula1onlive.com/2011/0...-tyre-for.html
Even so, webber is still outqualifying seb on the soft tyres, the same soft tyres he was getting beat up by vettel earlier on the year.
i think with the better and warmer temps in hungary, along with teh soft and supersoft tires as well as some new upgrades we're gonna have ( on an already fast car) we should be good for a podium there
and if Alonso smells a WIN, we all know he's gonna drive the heck outta of those wheels and Ferrari of his...
Forza Ferrari SEMPRE!!!
Front wing, i think. maybe some rear wing/diffuser, but i doubt it.
only Spa could be a problem for Ferrari now. and that surely wont be as cold as this.
In Stefano Domenicali, we have a team boss who has proved to be a leader. - Luca diMontezemelo
Good day for Ferrari. Stop crying about the bad pitstop time of Massa in the end. happens, but overall pitstop times of Ferrari today were very good. It is always quite a lottery when 2 drivers pitting in same lap. Fernando 2nd race in a row infront of the 2 Red Bulls is the fact that should make every fan of the Scuderia smiling. Hungary, Belgium, Italy are races where Ferrari will dominate RBs. Let the season begin :)
Massa has been getting screwed on stratedgy for a while now, very bad to continuously see this kind of thing time and again from Ferrari. Anything other than a bone dry sunny race with no major changes in stratedgy and you expect us to mess up at least once per race. NOT acceptable.
Getting frustrating? We struggled behind hopelessly for some races and now Alonso is somehow back in the fight.
Pit stop should not be a lottery, Felipe had defended that position so well it's such a shame to lose it in the pitlane
Forza Ferrari
But it is a lottery in such situations, when 2 drivers are pitting in the same time. Mechanics are humans and cannot be so consistently to ensure relialble times within 0.1 sec, no matter how good they are.
not many years ago that i dreaded warm temperatures now it's the other way around![]()
Forza Melanie C!
Brilliant race today. In terms of pure pace, we out-raced both the Red Bulls today, which in those cold conditions is not a light achievement.
Shame about the botched pit stop at the end, but I thought this was by far Massa's best race drive this season. He overtook both the Red Bulls, fought hard with Vettel most of the race, and without the mistake by the pit crew, managed to hold him off.
Another faultless drive from Alonso. What made the difference between him and Hamilton in my opinion was Ferrari's inability to switch the tyres on straight away in those conditions, something which McLaren is very good at. Despite that, the fact that he finished a strong 2nd shows how much the car has improved over the last few races. With Fry and Tombazis saying there are more upgrades in the pipeline, we are certainly looking very good for the remainder of this season.
As much as I hate him, credit where credit's due, Hamilton drove brilliantly today and deserved to win the race. And as Alonso said, the McLarens taking points off Red Bull is no bad thing for us.
In terms of sheer pace, third was the best Red Bull could have hoped for today, and Webber made the most of what he could. However, I thought Vettel's drive was pretty poor today. After the race, when I tweeted that Vettel can't handle traffic, it generated some mixed responses, but I still think that Vettel has a lot to prove yet about his race-craft skills, when he is not just running away in the lead with a car that's easily a second a lap quicker than the rest of the field. I don't rate him as an ordinary by any means, he certainly is a special talent, but there is still a lot to be desired. I'm talking of Button's drive at Interlagos 2009 for instance, something like that from Vettel would certainly make me warm up to him much more. Time will tell.
Going back to Ferrari, and the car in particular, it's interesting to see how we have caught up on Red Bull. For the last year and a half, they have had an aerodynamic advantage over us, but we have had some strengths over them, for instance in straight line speed. But it's now clear that with us having caught them on the aero side, we can challenge and push them at any track. If the Championship was to start at Valencia, there only could have been one World Champion this season, and that would be Alonso. Plus, with EBDs banned for next season, we are certainly looking good there because unlike Red Bull, our car was not originally designed around the EBD, so it wouldn't be as much of a change for us as it would be for them. That's my opinion anyway.
Looking forward to Hungary next weekend, I cannot wait! With the warmer temperatures there, we should very much be able to challenge for pole and possibly a double podium finish, if not a 1-2 victory. It certainly doesn't look impossible by the evidence of the last three races!
So roll on Hungaroring, and Forza Ferrari!![]()
The future is RED
You know it's bad and not up to ferrari's standards when you see fans saying that they "expect" the pit stop crew to make at least one mistake per race, ok Felipe isn't fighting for a championship right now, but the fact remains, ferrari used to be the most reliable team when it came to pitstops, yes we understand they are only humans, and on that aspect i for one would expect and accept if our pit crew isn't the fastest, if they are maybe half a second slower than mclaren and redbull, but what's really troubling is the amount of mistakes, where something will be stuck, or a tyre isn't tight enough, or when they release the car when they shouldn't.
Right now these mistakes aren't costing us championships, but at the rate this is going, it's only a matter of time before it happens. we can't have the drivers driving perfect races, making daring overtakes like felipe did today, or extracting the max from the car like fernando did today, and then they go to pit, and they make a mistake, and suddenly all the hard work they've been putting together for some 20 laps is all thrown away.
Again yes it's human to make mistakes, but we are doing it far too often, during pit stops we have been behaving like minardi rather than ferrari.
The art isn't in never falling but in always getting up.
Excuse my english, obviously too bad for the standard here, but i try to explain one more time. Pit times can vary within 1 second, 3.2 to 4.2 are good to normal times. And think about how crucial are only 0.1-0.2 sec. lost when 2 drivers are pitting in the same time. You cannot put it on the mechanics. At least this time. I noticed very positive trend of our crew getting 3.2-3.5 pitstop times all the race.
I read this quote from Pat Fry suggesting that it is the nut that has been giving the pit crew a lot of issues this season, as apposed to multiple reasons for bad stops.A shame, but we know we must work a lot on certain aspects of the car like the wheel nut, which has given us problems this season
Bernie's manipulating the whole show so we have a 5 way shootout for the WDC![]()
Quick consistent pit stops are those between 3 and 4 sec. 2 drivers fighting for position who both get in in the same lap can both have "quick consistent" pit stops and the one got in behind still can get out in front of the other, because his crew got 3.2 and the other guys "poor" 3.8. All the explanation in terms of you misunderstand my definition of "lottery". Ferrari mechanics did consistent 3.2-3.5 which is more than good and I notice a huge improvement in this area.
So there is no reason for blaming them
Overall, Ferrari are very strong now and only lack in Qualifying a bit. Race Pace was very strong and Ferrari only lost time on the Medium Compound (Option) tire. Tire wear was very good and the Engine is very strong. Red Bull looked slightly down on race pace and Vettel was hampered by Brake troubles. In the end, any one of the top three had a shot at victory. Very Good race for Hamilton to show he can be more under control. Alonso drove a VERY STRONG race and he looks like the VERY BEST DRIVER on the race track. The Pitstops were just slightly imperfect for Ferrari and Ferrari seems no worse off then any other team. In the last few races, both Red Bull and McLaren have both had the same kind of variations and even worse, made clear errors in McLarens case, that have led to their driver retiring form a race.
So Ferrari had a very strong race and McLaren have proven their ability to fight back. On to Hungary where, if temperatures will be higher, should give Ferrari the edge.
Ciao.
Forza Ferrari!!!!
Can someone please tell me why Felipe pitted last lap? Watching F1 with German commentators is not the sameI'm sure Felipe could have stayed one lap longer?
Bookmarks